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| clepsydrae | Hi, I'm trying to use crops to build in docker and I've run into a new issue where sed is failing during build. Some quick searches suggest that it's something about not being able to make temporary files or something. I'm new to docker and just following the crops instructions, is there a quick fix for this? | 09:03 |
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| clepsydrae | I added my work directory to the shared folders in Docker Desktop settings and ran the container using "docker run --rm -it -v $(pwd):$(pwd) crops/poky --id 1000:1000 --workdir=$(pwd)" | 09:07 |
| clepsydrae | I was able to clone a bunch of layers and get the build environment set up, but it fails when building (trying to build plymouth in this case) on the quilt-native due to a bunch of sed permission denied errors | 09:09 |
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| yocton | clepsydrae: usualy, you don't need to pass --id when using CROPS (it uses the ID of the owner of the working directory)... try without it? | 09:20 |
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| clepsydrae | Nope, same issue. Got a lot of errors like: | sed: couldn't flush /mnt/WB_Black_2TB/dev/yocto_drw/build_rpi3/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/quilt-native/0.69/sources/quilt-0.69/sedVZj5et: Permission denied | 09:22 |
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| clepsydrae | I even tried with a completely clean build setup, same issue, so it's not any of my project settings or anything | 09:28 |
| clepsydrae | In case it helps, I'm using Docker Desktop v4.63.0 on Manjaro and the shared folder is on an EXT4 SSD | 09:30 |
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| rburton | clepsydrae: i like distrobox because it does all of the fiddling needed to make it just work | 10:31 |
| rburton | "distrobox create -i debian:13 --volume /work:/work" voila a debian13 container that is my normal user and has /work mounted inside | 10:32 |
| rburton | enter, install build deps, sorted | 10:32 |
| clepsydrae | I figured I'd try the officially-supported approach first :/ | 10:32 |
| clepsydrae | Taking a break now, but just about ready to wipe my laptop and put debian on it | 10:33 |
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| JaMa | clepsydrae: FWIW: you can build with glibc-2.43 on host with the couple changes from https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/log/?h=jansa/master | 10:37 |
| clepsydrae | JaMa: Oh, awesome! I'll definitely try this. This breakage came at a really bad time and getting up and running again is my priority over getting a better setup 😅 | 10:40 |
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| RP | tlwoerner: happen to be around? I was just looking at the wic changes, my main question was why we still need so many env files adding to the wic tests? | 16:12 |
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| tlwoerner | RP: the wic subcommands "create", "list", and "write" still need a large amount of information from bitbake to do their work (especially "create") | 16:18 |
| tlwoerner | the work i did with the sector-size re-implementation was so that wic "ls", "cp", and "rm" did not need the vars file anymore | 16:18 |
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| tlwoerner | but wic create needs (wants?) things like: KERNEL_IMAGETYPE, INITRAMFS_BUNDLE, FAKEROOTCMD, HOSTTOOLS_DIR, ASSUME_PROVIDED | 16:21 |
| tlwoerner | in time i would like to wean wic away from needing an environment file, either because these values will be provided on the cmdline, or they just won't be needed | 16:22 |
| RP | tlwoerner: so how were those values making it into wic before this change? | 16:23 |
| RP | tlwoerner: have you removed the internal wic support for running bitbake to get env values? | 16:23 |
| tlwoerner | RP: somebody had already started this work, i just finished it | 16:24 |
| tlwoerner | RP: early wic would always call in to bitbake for these variables | 16:24 |
| RP | tlwoerner: you realise that in the middle of a series like this is not the place to do this though? :/ | 16:24 |
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| tlwoerner | somebody added a wedge that would check for a vars file and fetch the values from the file if they were there and only call into bitbake if the value was not already in the file | 16:25 |
| tlwoerner | the only value that wasn't in the file was the sector-size one | 16:26 |
| tlwoerner | it is the only value that current wic needs to go all the way back into bitbake to fetch | 16:26 |
| RP | tlwoerner: I understand that. I can also see why you want to go in this direction but it is making things really hard to review | 16:29 |
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| RP | tlwoerner: you've moved wic to an external repo and made a load of other changes at the same time, which complicates review | 16:29 |
| RP | tlwoerner: another question - why are there master and main branches in the wic repo ? | 16:30 |
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| tlwoerner | RP: we (AMD) needed to have wic as a standalone, independent tool that could be used post-build to modify images built with bitbake, and it had to be based on scarthgap | 16:32 |
| tlwoerner | our hope was that this work would be accepted upstream eventually, but we needed it "now" | 16:32 |
| tlwoerner | that's what's in the "main" branch | 16:32 |
| tlwoerner | after discussing it with the community and the various discussions that happened there, it was clear our solution in the "main" branch was not going to be accepted as it was | 16:33 |
| RP | tlwoerner: and what happens to this main branch in the future? | 16:33 |
| RP | having a repo with both a master and a main branch is asking for trouble :( | 16:33 |
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| tlwoerner | i (we) agree | 16:35 |
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| fray | tlwoerner I'd suggest picking either master or main (the name), and putting the YP version three. For anything we (amd) need, put it into an amd/<name> branch so there is no confusion between the two. We shouldn't have a master & main, so it's unclear which is the develoment brnach | 16:37 |
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| RP | tlwoerner: going back to the above, have you removed the functionality in wic to fallback to using bitbake to find variables? | 16:38 |
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| RP | fray: the prefix sounds good | 16:39 |
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| RP | tlwoerner: the changes you're making probably do make sense but these commit messages are really poor. I'm starting to understand why the changes are needed but I shouldn't have to ask you and spend 30 mins reading code to work this out | 16:41 |
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| RP | tlwoerner: I replied on list about another change too, basically the same issue | 16:41 |
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| tlwoerner | RP: yes there no longer is any connection between wic and bitbake; if a variable is not in wic or the vars file wic will error out instead of trying to find/call bitbake for the variable | 16:43 |
| RP | tlwoerner: and where is that explained? | 16:44 |
| RP | https://git.yoctoproject.org/wic/commit/?h=master&id=eb1ea917c1790b3cb719e4526eec75531b727bcf doesn't mention it either | 16:44 |
| RP | tlwoerner: to be honest, I'm really worried about https://git.yoctoproject.org/wic/commit/?h=master&id=15a50b871047538f2f98daf2a8d6f155eb146880 too | 16:46 |
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| RP | why is e2fsck saying there were errors being corrected and should be be ignoring that? | 16:46 |
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| zeddii | I wouldn't recommand any amd/ prefix on the wic repo proper. unless you are carrying forks for everyone. | 16:48 |
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| RP | zeddii: I'm fine with the branches being on an amd repo too but I don't think we want a main and a master branch in the repo on git.yp.org | 16:48 |
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| zeddii | yah. I'm not commenting on that. I'm suggesting not putting a branch with a vendor name in it on the yoctoproject git | 16:49 |
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| fray | we've done ti before... but the vendor name makes it clear it may be a dead end | 16:49 |
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| zeddii | but it also clutters the repo, since who else is going to use it ? | 16:50 |
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| roussinm | Starting a new greenfield Yocto project (completely free on tech choices). Previously was using kas (migrated from submodules) and containerized builds since I'm on ArchLinux. For people who've used kas or any of the newer Yocto build setup approaches: what do you prefer and why? Any gotchas or reasons to switch away from kas? | 17:33 |
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| rburton | roussinm: bitbake-setup is integrated into bitbake if you're using the latest release. kas remains good at what it does, and has a pre-built container. | 18:01 |
| rburton | both work :) | 18:02 |
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| jmd | I just wish that kas didn't require docker. | 18:03 |
| rburton | it doesn't? | 18:04 |
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| rburton | you can run kas on its own, it just has a container thing if you want it | 18:07 |
| rburton | our CI uses the kas container but i use kas locally without a container all the time | 18:07 |
| jmd | Oh. | 18:07 |
| jmd | Why would anyone want it? | 18:08 |
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| roussinm | jmd: you mean docker/podman? | 18:16 |
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| jmd | I've no idea what padman is, but I avoid docker like the plague. | 18:17 |
| roussinm | I currently use a archlinux distro and when I tried to use bitbake, didn't work well from what I remember, so by using kas-container it makes sure the environment is correct. | 18:18 |
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| roussinm | podman is rootless container. | 18:18 |
| jmd | I can see the motivation for using a container. But why Docker? | 18:18 |
| clepsydrae | roussinm: I'm in the same boat distro-wise (Manjaro in my case), but even Docker failed to work for me :/ | 18:19 |
| roussinm | I think docker is the most popular so that's probably why. But my default now is podman. | 18:20 |
| clepsydrae | jmd: Why do you avoid Docker, and what do you use instead? (Not that I blame you) | 18:21 |
| jmd | clepsydrae: Use for what? If I just want to isolate a system I might just use a regular container. | 18:22 |
| gmorell | podman is docker but good | 18:22 |
| clepsydrae | Regular container? | 18:23 |
| jmd | I find docker extremely complicaated, and contrary to what its proponents tell us, it causes a lot of cross-platform issues. | 18:23 |
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| gmorell | less annoying to build in yocto and fewer headeaches when deploying workloads programatically | 18:23 |
| clepsydrae | gmorell: Any tutorials/books you'd recommend for someone fairly new to containerization? | 18:24 |
| jmd | clepsydrae: https://linuxcontainers.org/lxc/introduction/ is a good place to start. | 18:25 |
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| gmorell | so in docker if you want to run a container in systemd you do something contrived like dcocker run in your execstart with a custom pid and a docker stop in your execstop to tear it down | 18:29 |
| gmorell | https://docs.podman.io/en/stable/markdown/podman-systemd.unit.5.html#examples in podman quadlet world you have a systemd unit that says there's a container at docker.io/nginx I want to run | 18:30 |
| gmorell | here are the volumes and env, and a little bit of systemd when it should run | 18:30 |
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| roussinm | re-considering my choice of container now.... I keep getting poky/bitbake/lib/bb/cooker.py", line os.nice(nice) - PermissionError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted. I did setup a BB_NICE_LEVEL. I wiped my build dir for reason, and since then for some reason cannot setup nice level anymore...Maybe I should learn how to setup an lxc... | 19:33 |
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| jmd | Maintaining recipes for fonts is a nightmare. For some reason font packages change their src URLS about every 2 months. Sometimes they change the contents of their packages and keep the same version number. | 20:42 |
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| rburton | roussinm: distrobox just works | 21:09 |
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| vmeson | I've been meaning to try distrobox --Apparently it's a docker/podman/mumble wrapper that is made so the created container will be tightly integrated with the host FS, USB, gfx, audio. | 21:18 |
| vmeson | if it has the rburton seal-of-approval, that might push me over the edge to seeing if it works for me. | 21:18 |
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| roussinm | rburton: that's right. We also use distrobox for something else. | 21:21 |
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