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| khem | roussinm: you can integrate an OTA like swupdate to do the field upgrades. For an example look at yoe distro | 03:52 |
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| PhoenixMage | Whats the best way to go about compiling some 3rd party device tree overlays in a yocto recipe? Just create a new layer and recipe or is there something I should inherit to help me along the way | 04:41 |
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| rber|res | @PhoenixMage you might want to have a look at the devicetree.bbclass https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/classes-recipe/devicetree.bbclass | 05:21 |
| PhoenixMage | Thanks rber|res thats exactly the direction I was after | 05:24 |
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| neachdainn | My board vendor provides me with a BSP that applies a key driver as part of a _demo_ image rather than the machine. Is there any way to access that image's `files/` directory from my layer so I can properly make it a part of the machine or do I have to vendor it? | 08:48 |
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| Saur | RP: The third of my five patches is missing from master-next (the one adding USERMOD_PARAM to PACKAGEVARS). Was that intentional? | 09:37 |
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| kanavin | paulbarker, I do not remember saying anything about that patch | 09:50 |
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| Saur | RP: Ah, ok. :) | 09:52 |
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| PhoenixMage | If I am using an external repo for dtbo am I supposed to set PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/dtb to the name of the recipe that provides it? (Inherits devicetree) | 11:21 |
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| aduskett | Still not sure what to do about dnf5. I can patch the commit that causes the Yocto test failure | 11:48 |
| aduskett | RP, what do you think? | 11:48 |
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| RP | aduskett: that might need to be the way forward. I'm not remembering all the details though | 12:03 |
| aduskett | RP, basically, with DNF5, if RPM reports a command not found error, it keeps going | 12:04 |
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| RP | aduskett: and it used to fail? | 12:06 |
| aduskett | RP, https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/pull/584 | 12:07 |
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| aduskett | The logic is sound, and perhaps the implementation of RPM in Yocto is wrong? | 12:08 |
| RP | aduskett: what would we need to change in OE to adapt to that? | 12:10 |
| aduskett | RP, probably RPM? Making the command not found a fatal error? | 12:10 |
| PhoenixMage | hmmm, ok, think I got that worked out but looks like there is no support for multiple dtbo in a single fitimage configuration :/ | 12:10 |
| RP | aduskett: and why is rpm thinking "command not found" isn't a critical error? | 12:11 |
| RP | aduskett: we follow upstream rpm's behaviour in general so I'm just a bit puzzled on why this isn't seen as a problem | 12:11 |
| aduskett | RP, that's the million dollar question :) | 12:11 |
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| aduskett | Of which I do not have an answer for | 12:12 |
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| RP | aduskett: do you have a pointer to what was failing? Was this just some of the selftests? | 12:14 |
| RP | aduskett: sorry, I seem to have paged out this info :/ | 12:15 |
| RP | it is hard for me to provide advice when I can't remember the details :( | 12:15 |
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| aduskett | RP, no worries | 12:16 |
| aduskett | It's the ./meta-selftest/recipes-test/postinst/postinst_1.0.bb:68 line | 12:17 |
| aduskett | It could be as simple as `set -e` or exit 1 if the command fails? | 12:18 |
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| RP | aduskett: I can't help think that should be detected and fail | 12:22 |
| aduskett | RP, I don't disagree with you :P | 12:22 |
| RP | aduskett: perhaps revert that bit of dnf for now to unblock the upgrade | 12:22 |
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| RP | aduskett: we had a period of time where postinsts were silently failing and that was really bad, hence the test | 12:23 |
| aduskett | RP, I can do that to see if it falls over and catches on fire | 12:23 |
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| roussinm | Anyone has ran yocto on arm64 machine? | 20:50 |
| rburton | roussinm: i haven't done a yocto build on anything but arm64 for about five years now | 20:56 |
| smooge | I am guessing you are meaning running `bitbake` to compile a yocto tree on an aarch64 system? I have tried it a couple of times. Depending on the base version of the release and the meta-recipes used it will work or fail spectaculalry | 20:56 |
| rburton | smooge: the release has to be very old to not work, and the failures were very contained to recipes like syslinux which really doesn't want to cross-compile (that was fun to fix) | 20:57 |
| smooge | The ones I have had it fail were mainly for 'oh that is why they said it only works on Ubuntu 2018.04 in 2026' | 20:57 |
| roussinm | rburton: What platform? Native arm64, right? | 20:57 |
| smooge | rburton: yeah.. I should have been clearer versus putting it in a separate sentence | 20:58 |
| rburton | roussinm: graviton, ampere altra, marvel thunderx2, honeycomb lx2k. i think jonmason was briefly crazy and had some rpi4 in his local gitlab runner cluster. | 20:58 |
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| roussinm | but that's CI machines? do you not use yocto locally on your workstation? | 21:01 |
| rburton | <cough> the altra is my workstation | 21:01 |
| rburton | only the graviton was CI | 21:01 |
| rburton | (the altra is a team-wide machine) | 21:01 |
| rburton | honestly i've not even _had_ an x86 machine for five years | 21:02 |
| jonmason | I have a mac mini m1 and rk35xx | 21:03 |
| jonmason | (orange pi 5 plus) | 21:03 |
| jonmason | and 2 honeycomb lx2ks | 21:03 |
| rburton | did you swap the fan on the lx2k? i spent my own cash to replace the stock cpu fan :) | 21:04 |
| jonmason | I have other arm64 systems but not enough RAM for them to build and test images in a timely manner, so I have them doing zephyr | 21:04 |
| RP | roussinm: put another way, there are native aarch64 systems in the autobuilder | 21:04 |
| jonmason | I have replaced both and they are much better but are super tall | 21:04 |
| jonmason | IIRC, RasPi5 was like 4h to do a scratch build and testimage | 21:05 |
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| rburton | roussinm: if the question is "can i do yocto builds on arm64" then the answer has been "absolutely yes" since 2020. it's a supported, tested, and very heavily used platform. | 21:05 |
| jonmason | roussinm: and there are very accessible systems you can purchase to do so | 21:06 |
| jonmason | the mac mini m1 is very good | 21:06 |
| roussinm | rburton: that's amazing, I imagine the builds are "faster" since we don't have to "cross-compile" | 21:06 |
| rburton | need a volunteer to benchmark that orion board | 21:06 |
| rburton | roussinm: nope | 21:06 |
| jonmason | probably as good a builder as a 10 year old x86 machine :) | 21:06 |
| rburton | you're still cross-compiling, and cross-compilation isn't any slower than native | 21:07 |
| RP | roussinm: we always cross compile for isolation between host and target | 21:07 |
| rburton | yocto _always_ cross compiles, even if the host and target happen to align | 21:07 |
| RP | rburton: technically you have to build the cross compiler | 21:07 |
| RP | rburton: but details :) | 21:07 |
| rburton | ok, i'll rephase that: cross-compilation is the same speed as native compilation | 21:07 |
| roussinm | Fair. | 21:07 |
| roussinm | What's are the advantages? | 21:08 |
| * RP hides from rburton throwing things at him | 21:08 | |
| rburton | graviton is cheaper than x86 in AWS? | 21:08 |
| roussinm | What about locally servers self-hosted? | 21:08 |
| rburton | then its a more interesting question and depends on what you buy | 21:08 |
| jonmason | arm64 is much lower power. the mac mini m1 uses much less power to do a scratch build than x86....I need to do that spreadsheet again | 21:08 |
| roussinm | So for our CI if we would want to use cloud runner it would be best to use arm64 for costs. | 21:09 |
| rburton | an AMD EPYC workstation will be faster to do a build than our shared altra for less money. but the altra will scale better as it has _two hundred cores_. | 21:09 |
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| roussinm | but for self-hosted, EPYC seems to scale better | 21:09 |
| jonmason | it's all in how you setup your ci | 21:09 |
| rburton | last time i looked, threadripper was the sweet spot for "a powerful workstation" | 21:10 |
| jonmason | doing a ton of containers, assuming you have enough RAM, is the best way | 21:10 |
| rburton | but yes if you've CI in AWS, switching to graviton is just a discount for the cost of changing the machine request | 21:10 |
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| roussinm | We are going to be deploying containers, right now it's painful to setup container from x86 to arm64 with binfmts | 21:10 |
| rburton | another pro of arm hosts is if you do tests in qemu and deploy arm then you can use KVM | 21:11 |
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| roussinm | (not setup in yocto yet) | 21:11 |
| rburton | roussinm: have a look at the latest container work in meta-virt | 21:11 |
| jonmason | I'm selfhosting gitlab CI and it's working for me.... | 21:11 |
| roussinm | I just started a green field repo yocto on wrynode, and just started to look at meta-virt. | 21:11 |
| jonmason | if you look at meta-arm, it works inside corp aws based CI and selfhosted | 21:12 |
| roussinm | wrynose* | 21:12 |
| roussinm | jonmason: I was using gitlab-ci before also with self-hosted runner on amd EPYC host and target were x86 tho. | 21:12 |
| rburton | there's definitely value in aligning host/target arch if you're doing qemu tests, for the speed increase of kvm | 21:13 |
| roussinm | Now our target is meta-tegra nvidia jetson orin platform. | 21:13 |
| jonmason | roussinm: everything should work regardless of arch, but I do tag the runners as arm64 or x86, and then use the tags in gitlab CI if there is x86 only stuff | 21:13 |
| roussinm | jonmason: I didn't think about tagging but yes makes sense. | 21:13 |
| roussinm | rburton: have not setup any qemu tests yet. that's with ptest, right? | 21:14 |
| jonmason | we had some FVPs that were x86 only, and that was limiting | 21:14 |
| rburton | roussinm: testimage (which can run ptests) | 21:14 |
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| rburton | RP, get off irc ;) | 21:15 |
| roussinm | rburton: I haven't really used testimage/ptest since most of the test I would like to run should be run on device to test hardware components. | 21:15 |
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| rburton | roussinm: that's fair | 21:15 |
| roussinm | What do you use ptest for if not on device? | 21:15 |
| jonmason | labgrid FTW | 21:15 |
| roussinm | jonmason: never used labgrid, integrates well with yocto? | 21:16 |
| jonmason | yes, lots of people using it | 21:17 |
| jonmason | the setup the the hurdle to overcome | 21:17 |
| roussinm | jonmason: can I remotely shutdown and bring a board with remote relays? | 21:18 |
| roussinm | That's usually how I setup shutdown and power on, with relays like sr201 | 21:18 |
| jonmason | not the expert, but you can configure it to do all the combinations of off the slef and home made stuff | 21:18 |
| jonmason | I've set it up but not integrated into CI | 21:19 |
| jonmason | lots of youtube tutorials on it, and the penguitronix guys who maintain it are very active in our community | 21:19 |
| jonmason | i'd tag but its too late for them in germany | 21:20 |
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| RP | rburton: how rude :) | 21:22 |
| jonmason | RP: well, it is his way | 21:23 |
| jonmason | RP: I'd say be happy you don't have to work with him directly, but... | 21:24 |
| RP | jonmason: I have more timezone overlap too! | 21:25 |
| jonmason | lmao | 21:26 |
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