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LetoThe2ndwmills_: so how did you deal with the syntax change of overrides (_ to :)?07:38
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mcfriskchange which break parsing are quite rare. for simple layers it is possible to support multiple releases from a single branch, with some workarounds and hacks. this has always been the case. bisecting master branch through longer history is useful too. some workarounds may be needed though07:53
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paulbarkerMorning08:03
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JaMawmills_: it's set in bitbake.conf with ??= so your ?= is still overwritting that, you need to make sure to set it only when needed (e.g. in some .inc file included only for older releases which don't set UNPACKDIR)09:07
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JaMaLetoThe2nd: ':' was mapped to '_' for older releases, so you could update the syntax and it was still backwards compatible with LTS-1 (dunfell) at that time09:12
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Guest74Hi everyone,10:03
Guest74does anyone know if inline python (for variable assignment) supports getting subversion-specific scmdata properties?10:03
Guest74More explicitly: I am trying to assign the equivalent of "svn info --show-item last-changed-date $path" to a bitbake variable.10:03
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rburtonGuest74: inline python can do almost anything but it will be executed every time the variable is evaluated so be careful. if that's for reproducibility reasons then there's special handling of the source date epoch10:18
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Guest74Thank you for the hint.10:31
Guest74In my case that is wanted. I basically want to update one file's mtime to a pre-determined value when building an image recipe.10:31
Guest74The pre-determined value should come from another recipe than the image recipe itself.10:31
Guest74So basically I want to set a variable to an mtime value (converted to epoch time ofc) and use that variables value within my image recipe to set the mtime of that specific file.10:31
Guest74The second part of davidA's answer in https://stackoverflow.com/a/73615197 describes it pretty well. The only difference is, we want to set the timestamp within our own recipe, not the image recipe itself.10:31
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Guest74I already found out that it's possible to do the "svn info --show-item last-changed-date $path" within a shell function within our recipe. Unfortunately I haven't found a way to export that value from within the shell function to the "outside world/environment" (not sure what the correct term here should be) so that the image recipe can access that10:34
Guest74value.10:34
Guest74And it seems that should be possible within inline python functions due to the existence of the d.setVar(...) function. But I didn't find anything within the bitbake/lib/bb/... python files that suggests that there already is some functionality in order to do the "svn info --show-item last-changed-date $path" equivalent in python.10:40
Guest74So I am guessing I simply need to implement that myself but thought I'd ask if this already existed in case I overlooked it somehow :)10:40
rburtonyou'll need to write the timestamp to a file you deploy somewhere, you can't just poke into one recipe's variables from another recipe10:41
rburtonor, find a different solution10:41
Guest74ok, thanks for the clarification, that is good to know!10:47
Guest74And it proves what I was trying to find out via a lot of try and error :) (and I really tried a lot: global variables in distro and/or machine conf, own bbclass inheritted by both recipes, variable appends and flags, ...)10:47
Guest74A timestamp file sounds like a good idea. I will try that, thanks for the hint!10:47
Guest74Just to know how the timestamp file is meant to work:10:49
Guest74Would the timestamp file be used within my image recipe in order to update the timestamp for that specific file or would that be used during system bootup in order to touch the specific file with the timestamp of that timestamp file?10:49
rburtonso you have recipe A and recipe B, and you want a file in B to have the same timestamp as a file in B?10:50
Guest74I want a file in recipe A (image recipe) to have a timestamp that I determine within recipe B.10:51
rburtonimage recipes don't have files of their own10:51
rburtonsounds like you'll want to write a stamp file to deploy as part of the build of B and then the image recipe can depend on B and where it creates the file can use the stamp file10:54
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Guest74Yes, I believe we are thinking of the same thing.11:00
Guest74Maybe in other words:11:00
Guest74My image recipe (recipe A) includes an application recipe (recipe B) via a packagegroup,11:00
Guest74The application recipe (recipe B) deploys a file "index.html" into my image.11:00
Guest74At the end of building my image recipe all files get timestamped to the current value of REPRODUCIBLE_TIMESTAMP_ROOTFS during the reproducible_final_image_task task.11:00
Guest74I run a task after that with:11:00
Guest74addtask fix_www_index_html_mtime after do_image before do_image_complete11:00
Guest74in order to update the timestamp of the "index.html" file.11:00
Guest74oh, that B) is meant to be B followed by )11:01
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Guest74ah... yeah its meant to be recipe B11:01
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Guest74The timestamp for that "index.html" should come from the application recipe (recipe B.)11:03
Guest74The important help from you was, that "you can't just poke into one recipe's variables from another recipe".11:10
Guest74To me this means, that I can't simply define a (global) variable, alter that variable within my application recipe (recipe B.) and use that variable within my image recipe (recipe A).11:10
Guest74Did I understand that correctly?11:10
rburtonif the problem is the reproducible rootfs timestamp is replacing timestamps you want preserved then you can turn that off11:11
Guest74Can I do that for single files or can I only turn it off for all files?11:14
Guest74As far as I understood the code in openembedded-core/meta/classes-recipes/image.class it only does a touch on all files within the rootfs.11:15
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Guest74ah, maybe I should have mentioned: we are on mickledore and scarthgap branches.11:17
Guest74Maybe filtering single files is supported in later branches?11:17
Guest77Hi, is it normal to get this warning when using fragment.cfg with linux kernel -> WARNING: ../recipes-kernel/linux/linux-renesas_6.1.bb:do_compile is tainted from a forced run11:17
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RPGuest77: that means you ran bitbake with the -f option and it just just reminding you that you did that11:20
Guest77RP I just ran "bitbake foo-image"11:21
rburtonGuest74: IMAGE_PREPROCESS_COMMAND:re ove = "reproducible_final_image_task" will make the global touch never happen if you don't care for it11:26
rburtonGuest74: :remove, even11:26
rburtonGuest74: also mickledore was EOL in 2023 so please stop using that :)11:27
Guest74Which is why we are migrating to scarthgap :)11:27
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Guest74rburton: Thanks for the suggestion. As far as I know we are concerned about keeping the global touch active in order to be able to have reproducible images.11:33
Guest74rburton: Also ... hmmm.. how do I describe this best, that the timestamp from the application recipe (recipe B.) is guaranteed to always be same for the same version of that recipe. This way it shouldn't prevent reproducibility.11:36
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RPGuest77: it has to have been run with -f at some point to get that message11:45
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Guest74rburton: Maybe putting it the other way around makes it clearer.11:55
Guest74We can guarantee that for every version of our application recipe (recipe B.) being built it has a fixed timestamp for the "index.html" file.11:55
Guest74Application version and "index.html" timestamp are linked.11:55
Guest74Therefore if we include a certain version of our application into an image and can alter the timestamp of only the "index.html" file in our image, all images should still be reproducible.11:55
Guest74Meaning, if we build the same image with the same recipes and the same version of our application recipe (recipe B.) in the future, the images should have the same signature and therefore be comparable and reproducible.11:55
Guest74This way we wouldn't need to touch anything about the mechanism to produce reproducible images (except our exception about the "index.html" file).11:55
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Guest74rburton: And added to that I believe the SO post describes our current sentiment pretty well with: "one workaround is to set REPRODUCIBLE_TIMESTAMP_ROOTFS to the value that uniquely represents the origination time of the build, such as the CI pipeline creation time. This would solve [our] immediate problem, but it does seem to invalidate the whole11:57
Guest74point of BUILD_REPRODUCIBLE_BINARIES and I'm not sure yet what the side-effects of this may be."11:57
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Guest74rburton: In that regard thank you already for clarifying how sharing of variables between recipes is meant to work (or rather not work :) ). This way I know at least that I have to find another way of passing the timestamp from my application recipe (recipe B.) to my image recipe. I will try your suggestion of passing the timestamp via a timestamp12:09
Guest74file and see if I can get it to work. Thanks so much for your insights!12:09
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Guest77linux-foo_6.0.bb:12:53
Guest77BRANCH = "${@ \12:53
Guest77    'v5.1.4' if d.getVar('USE_FOO') == '1' else \12:53
Guest77    'v6.0 \12:53
Guest77}"12:53
Guest77Is it bad practice? The recipe version 6.0 but if a certain variable is enabled, it actually becomes build 5.1.4.12:53
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rburtonyes13:17
rburtonhave two recipes and switch between them using PREFERRED_VERSION13:18
Guest77rburton thanks13:20
Guest74rburton: just fyi. I tried your workaround via a timestamp file and it's working.13:22
Guest74Basically I am creating the timestamp file within the application recipe and deploy it to rootfs during do_install. Then within my image recipe I read out the timestamp file, touch the "index.html" with that timestamp and afterwards remove the timestamp file (so it doesn't end up in the final image, unnecessarily).13:22
Guest74Thanks again for your idea and have a good one! :)13:22
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rburtonyou could deploy the timestamp file into deploydir without going via the rootfs13:22
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Guest74ah, this way the removal wouldn't be necessary, I guess?13:23
Guest74Meaning, I need to read up on deploydir. I know it exists and nothing more :P13:25
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bjdooksis it possible to just rebuild the output images, i think making stuff r/w after pointer emulator at the built images has ballsed something up, but i don't want to go throuhg and rebuild /all/ the soruce13:33
rburtonbjdooks: deleting tmp/ and bitbaking the image will pull all the packages from sstate, no rebuild needed. just don't delete sstate.13:34
RPbjdooks: it depends what kind of change you're trying to make, there are various ways you could do that, yes13:34
bjdooksno change, disc images seem to have become corrupt..13:34
rburtondelete tmp, bitbake again13:35
RPagreed13:35
RPas long as you preserve sstate13:35
RPif you've space you can try in a different builddir, just share the sstate directory13:36
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wmills_RP: any ideas for the question I asked yesterday ^^13:38
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RPwmills_: I think JaMa sounds like he saw the issue13:39
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wmills_Ahh I missed that.  So the default gets set late in wrynose.  Its hard to diagnose because even bitbake -e will fail w/o output.13:45
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wmills_So I am sure S ??= won't work right?  I suppose some annon python could set UNPACKDIR for the scarthgap case.  Any other ideaa?13:53
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RPwmills_: are you trying to do it from a individual recipe? If so, anonymous python to set the fallback may be the only option13:55
wmills_JaMa: (thanks for your input, sorry I missed it)13:56
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wmills_Yes I am fixing up individual recipes.  I would be happy to have a global fix but I assume that will be harder.  I don't want the consumer of the layer to have to do something local.conf etc13:59
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Saurwmills_:14:03
Saurwmills_: This is how we solved it during the development period for Whinlatter: https://pastebin.com/7Xv3wAyW14:03
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SaurThen we changed all our recipes to use `S = "${WORKDIR_GIT}"` instead of `S = "${WORKDIR}/git"`.14:04
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RPwmills_: I was wondering about a fallback in layer.conf which would be horrible but might work14:15
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JPEWRP: When you have a moment, I did something in https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/commit/?h=jpew/spdx-deploy&id=d5cd42fc581a1fb65c1e9ba897324004ab330ffd that I'm not sure if it is a good idea. Specifically the anon python code in create-spdx-3.0.bbclass that postfunc before sstate. Thoughts would be welcome14:20
wmills_Saur: Thanks, interesting stuff14:21
JPEWMy other thought was to directly integrate more directly with the sstate code, which is less "isolated" but probably cleaner overall14:21
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LocutusOfBorgHello RP, I have a question related to gitsm.py module (I think you did write it, right?) We have the GENERATE_MIRROR_TARBALL, PREFETCH, BB_NO_NET as usual configured14:23
LocutusOfBorgquestion is: I'm downloading onnixruntime, and the generation of the git tarball works, but when we try to use it, I see the submodules not being included14:24
LocutusOfBorgso the git submodule update --init --recursive fails (we use kirkstone)14:24
LocutusOfBorgI admit I never used gitsm fetcher with BB_NO_NET14:24
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yoctonLocutusOfBorg: are you on the tip of kirkstone? I remember merging patched related to that somewhat recently14:28
LocutusOfBorginteresting, let me check14:28
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LocutusOfBorgI was at 4.0.115:08
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JaMawmills_: we set BB_GIT_DEFAULT_DESTSUFFIX ??= "${BP}" and add an explicit destsuffix in SRC_URI so that even kirkstone uses BP instead of "git", to make it compatible with multiple releases15:14
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JaMawmills_: you can have a separate compatibility layer with own layer.conf to do this (and only the customers using old LTS will add this additional layer).15:15
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LocutusOfBorgdidn't work...15:26
yoctonLocutusOfBorg: I don't find the patches I was thinking of sorry... :-/15:27
LocutusOfBorgyep15:28
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LocutusOfBorgI guess BB_GENERATE_MIRROR_TARBALLS should generate one tarball for each submodule, right?15:28
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