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| pivi | Crofton: I was too optimistic. I now agree that this debug-tweaks is like a cancer. | 12:42 |
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| Crofton | lol | 12:42 |
| Crofton | What happened? | 12:42 |
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| pivi | Crofton: it was in some "sample" local conf file. and well, I discovered that such a file in our CI is copied and used ... and well, I did not spot it in my first eradication attempt ... ;-) | 13:50 |
| Crofton | Yep, same ehre | 13:51 |
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| RP | we've put off trying to improve that situation for far too long and I'm not sure what else we could do :/ | 14:08 |
| Crofton | Oh I know, it is just funny how baked in it is | 14:08 |
| pivi | Hopefully I am done now | 14:10 |
| Crofton | I ahve been grepping for signs of it :) | 14:11 |
| pivi | My personal struggle with such changes in OE master is that we have no resources to build more often than once a week. And sometime we have multiple weeks in a rows in which either for bugs, or for changes, we are not able to have a build to complete | 14:12 |
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| pivi | For instance in the last few weeks we have build broken for, debug-tweaks, the lz4c change (OE-core) and libgpiod (meta-oe) | 14:14 |
| pivi | s/have/had/ | 14:14 |
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| RP | pivi: it is tricky. We need to adapt to change and move onward but whether you batch everything or do it slowly step by step, it has impact :/ | 14:20 |
| pivi | RP: yes, I understand it. My goal would be to be able to build master more often, however considering the amount of hardware we support, the fact that we need to keep alive and well maintained all the LTS release, "master" is not getting the resources I asked for | 14:23 |
| pivi | Now that I am writing I should consider having a more limited coverage testing for master, maybe daily, in addition to the whole build/test we would run once per week. Probably something like that would already improve the situation for us. | 14:27 |
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| JaMa | pivi: if you quickly adapt to the new changes while keeping the sstate fresh, it's not that expensive to re-trigger the build with additional fixes, is it? | 15:12 |
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| pivi | JaMa: it depends on the definition of expensive. we have something like 50+ different hardware we build for, and we do execute extensive runtime tests on all these 50+ boards. | 15:21 |
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| pivi | (and for each of this board we do build and test various images, not just one) | 15:25 |
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| pivi | and BTW, in master is common to have changes (on the toolchain, for example) that would invalidate the whole sstate cache | 15:48 |
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| RP | pivi: A small sample build would probably have a lot of value to warn of a majority of issues | 17:22 |
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| JaMa | pivi: but if the build failed, then you didn't run the expensive runtime testing yet and re-building with just minor fix will re-use most of sstate, right? | 17:32 |
| JaMa | I mean that a few small incremental builds until it finally build the image and run runtime testing might be cheaper, than waiting a week and rebuilding from scratch (because of many other changes from upstream) and in the end it might fail again because of some other changes merged in upstream incompatible with your targets | 17:34 |
| JaMa | and I agree that you probably don't need to build all 50 as they probably aren't all so different, I'm regularly building 17 targets and all of them use different BSPs or different DISTROs | 17:37 |
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| pivi | BTW, thinking at testing master, is there any specific day of the week in which you are pushing stuff to master or you just push stuff as soon as it's ready? I am wondering if I can tweak my build calendar to be as much effective as possible. | 20:17 |
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