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| jeroen_ | Does OE have a stance on using claude e.g.? Are any best practices around? | 09:43 |
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| rburton | there's an AI policy that should be in the docs shortly (cc paulbarker who is working on that). several people use it to write python code. it has mixed abilities at writing recipes | 09:47 |
| paulbarker | jeroen_: We currently have https://docs.yoctoproject.org/contributor-guide/submit-changes.html#acceptance-of-ai-generated-code | 09:47 |
| paulbarker | Planned updates will expand that to cover AI-generated emails, bug reports, etc | 09:48 |
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| jeroen_ | paulbarker: ah thanks, good, no AI ban here. Are there skills being added as well? I am a complete AI noop, but I guess that things like backporting CVEs can be automated. If there is already some existing work I don't need to start from sratch. | 09:57 |
| paulbarker | jeroen_: Ericsson developed https://github.com/Ericsson/yocto-security-tools, I'm not sure how aggressively it eats tokens | 09:59 |
| paulbarker | jeroen_: Human judgement and manual verification is critically important if you go down that route | 09:59 |
| jeroen_ | paulbarker: sure, understood (the it is not magic part, but it can help). There should be an upper limit on the tokens I can spend, so that shoudln't be an issue. | 10:03 |
| jeroen_ | I am quite sure someone already mentioned it, but for completeness, there is a PHP issue coming soon. | 10:04 |
| jeroen_ | (nevermind that, it is even in the national news here now) | 10:07 |
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| rburton | fwiw, "backporting cves" is something where i absolutely want a human involved | 10:20 |
| rburton | cve detection and triage, ericsson have tools and did an interesting presentation at OSS this month | 10:21 |
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| mort | will the ca-certificates fix be backported to the LTSes? I went to try and upgrade ca-certificates now and assumed it would be trivial because it's just a collection of certs, but it seems more complicated than that with a proper build step and patches to ca-certificates's build process | 10:38 |
| mort | though looking at the patch in master, it seems like the only thing it does is patch in some stuff to blacklist.txt, I guess I should just do that for now | 10:39 |
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| yocton | mort: I just pushed stable/$BRANCH-20261021-cacert on -contrib with the fix: I only tested do_patch succeed for now | 10:45 |
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| yocton | eg https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/log/?h=stable%2Fscarthgap-20261021-cacert | 10:46 |
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| mort | In case anyone else just needs a patch to fix Kirkstone: https://p.mort.coffee/O2y.diff | 10:53 |
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| mort | what's the story there with Comodo AAA Services? Does eMudhra run two CAs? | 10:56 |
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| yocton | mort: This is discussed here : https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2026/10/21/4 | 10:59 |
| paulbarker | mort: Unrelated cleanup of a CA cert that exceeds allowed validity duration | 10:59 |
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| mort | aha | 11:01 |
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| mort | okay disregard my patch above, it was a sloppy copy/paste job from a patch file so it has two +s instead of one hehe | 11:32 |
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| jeroen_ | paulbarker: how is "[PATCH] Blacklist "emSign ECC Root CA - G3" and "Comodo AAA Services" supposed to work? Blindly backporting that to scarthgap doesn't seem to help... | 12:23 |
| paulbarker | jeroen_: I tested that with that applied the emSign G3 cert is no longer installed | 12:24 |
| paulbarker | There are other unaffected emSign certs which are still installed, that is expected | 12:25 |
| paulbarker | The Comodo AAA cert was not installed anyway so blacklisting that has no immediate effect | 12:25 |
| jeroen_ | If I do `curl https://dv-g3b-emudhra.we-have-a-problem.com/` I get "Your client successfully connected to the site. That's bad!" | 12:28 |
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| jeroen_ | (for completeness, that is scarthgap + that patch) | 12:29 |
| paulbarker | jeroen_: Huh | 12:30 |
| paulbarker | Is that a freshly built image, or did you update via packages/ota update? | 12:30 |
| paulbarker | Also could you check if the offending cert filename is present in /etc/SSL/certs? | 12:31 |
| paulbarker | I appreciate the testing! | 12:32 |
| jeroen_ | let me double check, it is installed as a swu image. No packages etc. | 12:32 |
| jeroen_ | paulbarker: my bad, I have a back-ports meta around, which picks this from master. I should update that one, not the OE scarthgap version. Sorry for the noise. | 12:39 |
| paulbarker | jeroen_: No worries, as I say I appreciate the testing | 12:40 |
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| jeroen_ | paulbarker: that is better, "curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate" | 12:52 |
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| yocton | jeroen_: Thanks! :) | 13:04 |
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| jeroen_ | bah, https://discuss.python.org/t/information-for-python-users-regarding-emudhra-emsign-ca-certificate-security-incident/109576. Seems we need to check more of them? | 13:07 |
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| jeroen_ | sounds more like a Mac issue btw | 13:13 |
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| rburton | its not a mac issue | 13:20 |
| rburton | pip embeds a copy of certifi, so any venv that was constructed using the old release is broken | 13:20 |
| jeroen_ | Why would they do that? Anyway, building at the moment, then I will have a look if I can reproduce that. | 13:21 |
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| rburton | pip needs to be dependencyless so it can just be copied into venvs and bootstrapped | 13:22 |
| rburton | the underlying problem with all of python is called "certifi" | 13:22 |
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| jeroen_ | rburton: mmm, https://dv-g3b-emudhra.we-have-a-problem.com:443 "GET /pip/ HTTP/1.1" 200 15 | 15:21 |
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| jeroen_ | rburton: better: "WARNING: Retrying (Retry(total=4, connect=None, read=None, redirect=None, status=None)) after connection broken by 'SSLError(SSLCertVerificationError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local issuer certificate (_ssl.c:1010)'))': /test/" (for completeness this is on scarthgap) | 17:22 |
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| jeroen_ | node emudhra-repro.js: Testing https://dv-g3b-emudhra.we-have-a-problem.com/ HTTP response: 200 TLS handshake succeeded :( | 17:57 |
| jeroen_ | updating node as well, this will take a while.. | 18:02 |
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| rburton | a list of recipes that don't use the system ca-certs would be useful, if you come across them | 19:20 |
| rburton | i know that pip embeds certifi and that's next on my list to hit, although its annoyingly complex to do properly | 19:21 |
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| jeroen_ | rburton: I can push patches for pip / certifi for scarthgap if that is useful.. | 19:29 |
| jeroen_ | nodejs is here btw: https://victrondevelopment.slack.com/archives/C7C1ZU6UD/p1792596248079109?thread_ts=1792596238.100379&cid=C7C1ZU6UD | 19:30 |
| jeroen_ | ow, that won't help | 19:31 |
| jeroen_ | I meant https://nodejs.org/en/blog/vulnerability/october-2026-security-releases | 19:31 |
| rburton | jeroen_: yocton is the stable maintainer, sync with him. i posted pip/certifi upgrades for master earlier. | 19:31 |
| jeroen_ | rburton: yes, thanks, I saw that. I patched it instead for the old LTS. I am quite sure there is one in the midle nowadays. (for which I don't have a build at the moment) | 19:33 |
| rburton | yeah patching is likely the better option for the older releases, at least its a simple one | 19:34 |
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| jeroen_ | https://github.com/openembedded/openembedded-core/compare/scarthgap...victronenergy:openembedded-core:scarthgap-emsign?expand=1 | 19:40 |
| jeroen_ | I don't have a better list then from https://emudhra.we-have-a-problem.com/, but that one is long enough already ;) | 19:43 |
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| jeroen_ | this is node now, Testing https://dv-g3b-emudhra.we-have-a-problem.com/ INCONCLUSIVE: CERT_REVOKED | 19:53 |
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