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| mattnie | Good morining! I am searching for a Howto compile Kernel and U-Boot with FDT support. But I do not found anything. (First question where I enable/disable FDT in u -boot?) Regards MaTT | 06:24 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 07:05 |
| erbo | good morning | 07:05 |
| mattnie | good morning mckoan | 07:05 |
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| ericbutters | hello.. how to get lxde in yocto? is there a meta-lxde? | 07:46 |
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| mckoan | ericbutters: AFAIK no | 07:50 |
| ericbutters | what about xfce? | 07:51 |
| ericbutters | is there only matchbox? | 07:51 |
| mckoan | ericbutters: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/ | 07:52 |
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| mckoan | ericbutters: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/layer/meta-xfce/ | 07:53 |
| ericbutters | mckoan perfect! | 07:54 |
| ericbutters | thank you | 07:54 |
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| mckoan | ericbutters: yw | 08:02 |
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| david-e_ | to compile a 3rd party (ugly) package I had to pass $(STAGING_DIR_TARGET)/usr/lib/powerpc-poky-linux-gnuspe/4.7.2 ... is there an appropriate variable I can use to avoid specifying that? | 08:13 |
| david-e_ | btw, it is needed for gcc to locate libgcc.a | 08:14 |
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| RP | david-e_: Can't the toolchain find that as needed? | 08:38 |
| RP | david-e_: ${STAGING_LIBDIR}/${TARGET_SYS}/4.7.2 is a bit neater | 08:39 |
| david-e_ | RP: didn't dig too deep: I got "ld: cannot find libgcc.a" | 08:39 |
| RP | david-e_: ld *should* be able to find that :/ | 08:39 |
| david-e_ | RP: looks better, thanx | 08:39 |
| RP | david-e_: there is something broken in the compiler/linker for it to be saying that, default search paths must be broken somehow | 08:40 |
| RP | david-e_: a good place to start looking would be to strace it, see where it is looking | 08:40 |
| david-e_ | RP: I wouldn't blame it on the toolchain, the package is huge and really ugly | 08:41 |
| david-e_ | will try to strace that later on | 08:41 |
| RP | david-e_: It could be you're missing the --sysroot option to ld | 08:41 |
| david-e_ | RP: I guess that is missing: thanx for the tip | 08:41 |
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| bluelightning | morning all | 08:50 |
| mattnie | morning bluelightning | 08:52 |
| RP | hi bluelightning | 08:54 |
| bluelightning | hi mattnie, RP | 09:06 |
| khem | new busybox mount is now useless with systemd | 09:06 |
| khem | hmm | 09:06 |
| bluelightning | if what koen says is true so was the old one... | 09:06 |
| khem | cant mount loop devices | 09:06 |
| khem | I am on dylan | 09:06 |
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| khem | have a initrd with busybox in it | 09:07 |
| khem | use to work | 09:07 |
| khem | a month or so ago | 09:07 |
| rburton | khem: didn't think we'd touched busybox mount since before then | 09:08 |
| ant_work | khem: hmm.. iirc the one from klibc is ok | 09:08 |
| ant_work | but I can't guarantee I was running systemd ... | 09:09 |
| rburton | khem: any errors? saul did patch the automoutning behaviour recently | 09:09 |
| khem | rburton: hang on | 09:10 |
| khem | yes I was nearing to that commit | 09:10 |
| khem | mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /media/isolinux failed: No such device | 09:10 |
| khem | sh-4.2# ls /media/isolinux/ -ld | 09:11 |
| khem | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 16 09:10 /media/isolinux/ | 09:11 |
| khem | sh-4.2# ls /dev/loop0 -ld | 09:11 |
| khem | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 0 Apr 16 09:10 /dev/loop0 | 09:11 |
| khem | sh-4.2# ls -ltr /tmp/junos.img | 09:11 |
| khem | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1841299456 Apr 16 09:10 /tmp/junos.img | 09:11 |
| khem | so all artifacts are there | 09:11 |
| khem | mount -o rw,loop,noatime,nodiratime /tmp/junos.img /media/isolinux | 09:13 |
| khem | is what the cmd is | 09:13 |
| khem | aha btw. /bin/mount.util-linux -o rw,loop,noatime,nodiratime /tmp/junos.img /media/isolinux works | 09:14 |
| khem | so someone botched up busybox | 09:14 |
| rburton | khem: if you could try reverting saul's patch and my backport from upstream that would be great | 09:15 |
| * khem looks at Sauls patch and thats definitely it | 09:16 | |
| khem | bb_perror_msg_and_die will die on first fail | 09:17 |
| rburton | khem: please file bug and mail list | 09:17 |
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| khem | is bug report still needed | 09:17 |
| khem | after spending 3 hrs to wreslte with it :) | 09:18 |
| rburton | khem: bugs don't get lost as easily as mail | 09:18 |
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| khem | probably I should find some time to test patches atelast to the packages that affect me | 09:22 |
| khem | rburton: your patch does not impact me | 09:24 |
| khem | so no point in testing it | 09:24 |
| khem | but revert of that fail_on_no_media.patch | 09:24 |
| khem | I will test | 09:24 |
| rburton | thanks | 09:24 |
| khem | and your patch does not fix koen reported issue either | 09:25 |
| khem | so i would advise to hold off | 09:25 |
| rburton | my mega-patch is being held off | 09:25 |
| khem | good | 09:25 |
| khem | known bugs are better than unkown ones | 09:26 |
| khem | this freaking box takes 10 mins to reboot | 09:27 |
| rburton | ouch | 09:28 |
| khem | OK confirmed its that patch | 09:29 |
| khem | let me capture it in a bug and sleep | 09:29 |
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| ericbutters | why there is no meta-lxde? | 10:01 |
| david-e_ | would it be possible from within a package recipe to reference another package variable (i.e. EXTRA_OEMAKE of package B from A.bb) | 10:02 |
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| bluelightning | david-e_: no, you'd need to set a variable globally and have both recipes read from that | 10:02 |
| david-e_ | bluelightning: great, thanx | 10:03 |
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| bluelightning | ericbutters: there is https://github.com/adam-lee/meta-lxde but it doesn't look like it's being kept up-to-date and the author hasn't bothered to get it listed in the index | 10:03 |
| david-e_ | bluelightning: of course I guess that applies also to build directories (${S} of another package) | 10:05 |
| bluelightning | david-e_: you definitely want to avoid that | 10:06 |
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| bluelightning | david-e_: if you were to enable rm_work for example the work directory will be gone by the time the second recipe tries to look at it | 10:06 |
| bluelightning | david-e_: the solution is to stage whatever files from the first recipe that the second recipe needs and then the second recipe can find them in the sysroot | 10:06 |
| bluelightning | (and "stage" these days just means you need to install them into ${D} within do_install; the staging code should automatically pick up files installed to standard locations and stage them) | 10:08 |
| bluelightning | if you need to stage files in non-standard locations that's also possible, we have examples of how to do that | 10:08 |
| david-e_ | bluelightning: I did not think about rm_work. Unfortunately I have to package a couple of 3rd party packages with sick dependencies (to compile B you need to unpack it inside A) | 10:09 |
| ericbutters | bluelightning thank you, i already tried that one and that is not really working.. bitbake warns with: WARNING: task-lxde-base: task.bbclass is deprecated, please inherit packagegroup instead | 10:09 |
| ericbutters | i think lxde is really good for embedded.. wondering why yocto does not have it | 10:10 |
| rburton | ericbutters: because nobody's packaged it. feel free to update that meta-lxde | 10:10 |
| bluelightning | david-e_: that's probably a case where you need to just do that inside one recipe I suspect then | 10:11 |
| ericbutters | rburton if i find time i will do that.. | 10:11 |
| david-e_ | bluelightning: indeed | 10:11 |
| ericbutters | so what do most of yocto users when building a desktop device? they put meta-openembedded and use meta-xfce or meta-gpe? is there a roadmap for yocto? | 10:17 |
| bluelightning | I suspect a lot of users aren't building devices that need a traditional desktop UI | 10:18 |
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| rburton | i'd expect a desktop UI to be a rather small use-case | 10:20 |
| ericbutters | i understand and i agree.. | 10:20 |
| rburton | sato is "good enough" that it's been deployed in several commercial products | 10:20 |
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| ericbutters | bluelightning, rburton is there a roadmap for yocto? | 10:28 |
| bluelightning | ericbutters: I don't think we have anything beyond the next release no | 10:29 |
| ericbutters | okay | 10:30 |
| rburton | ericbutters: if there's anything you want, feel free to suggest it | 10:30 |
| ericbutters | i think you guys do a great job.. | 10:33 |
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| rburton | JaMa: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/log/?h=ross/dbus <-- can you pre-review this quickly? | 14:24 |
| JaMa | it's not entirely quiet when testing with wrong user, but otherwise looks ok to me | 14:26 |
| JaMa | martin@jama ~ $ killall -q -HUP dbus-daemon | 14:27 |
| JaMa | dbus-daemon(1811): Operation not permitted | 14:27 |
| rburton | what. | 14:27 |
| rburton | oh, right, well, you'll be root doing the postinsts. | 14:27 |
| * rburton sends | 14:27 | |
| JaMa | yes not an issue for package manager upgrades | 14:27 |
| JaMa | I assume that killall from busybox does the same | 14:27 |
| rburton | i got the syntax from busybox | 14:28 |
| rburton | jama: your patch to dbus to work around this was talking about udev | 14:29 |
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| rburton | JaMa: was that some meta-oe thin? | 14:32 |
| JaMa | which patch do you mean? | 14:35 |
| rburton | " fixes udev configure in run-postinsts failing with: | 14:35 |
| rburton | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/dbus-1: file does not exist | 14:35 |
| rburton | because dbus-udev is installed only with sysvinit in features | 14:35 |
| rburton | but update-rc.d was always called from PN postinst" | 14:35 |
| rburton | is what you said | 14:35 |
| JaMa | ah sorry it looks like copy&paste from http://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?id=b1dca3a693bb439181a155c5248a2c6a900f729d | 14:37 |
| JaMa | but it was different issue then this with reload | 14:37 |
| rburton | that makes more sense | 14:38 |
| JaMa | there is also issue with prerm, seen that on ML? | 14:38 |
| rburton | i know of koen's mentionof systemctl --system daemon-reload | 14:39 |
| JaMa | no prerm without sysvinit in DISTRO_FEATURES | 14:39 |
| JaMa | in "[PATCH 1/2] systemd: set INHIBIT_UPDATERCD_BBCLASS without sysvinit in features" thread | 14:39 |
| JaMa | http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2013-April/038052.html | 14:39 |
| JaMa | brb | 14:39 |
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| rburton | JaMa: surely that stops if we merge that inhibiting patch? | 14:49 |
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| rburton | oh, its's merged already, so the prerm postinst from update-rcd won't exist | 14:50 |
| * rburton checks | 14:50 | |
| waynr | hmm is it a problem for multiple layers to share the same BBPRIORITY? | 14:53 |
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| rburton | i wonder if the TI UK bridge is back up | 14:55 |
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| Song_Liu | YPTM: Welcome to the technical team meeting. Please let me know who's on the bridge. Thanks! | 15:00 |
| scottrif | YPTM: Scott Rifenbark joined the call | 15:00 |
| Zagor | YPTM: Björn Stenberg is here | 15:00 |
| tomz1 | YPTM: Tom on the call | 15:01 |
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| strassek | YPTM: Kevin Strasser is here | 15:01 |
| scottrif | scott R also | 15:01 |
| scottrif | nope | 15:01 |
| scottrif | you skipped me | 15:01 |
| scottrif | :) | 15:01 |
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| jzhang-laptop | YPTM: Jessica's on the call | 15:02 |
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| belen | YPTM: Belen's on the call | 15:02 |
| RP | Song_Liu: YPTM, Richard is here | 15:03 |
| * rburton lost the new UK number | 15:03 | |
| rburton | RP, what's the new uk number that works? | 15:03 |
| RP | rburton: 01908355599 | 15:03 |
| rburton | thanks | 15:03 |
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| Song_Liu | YPTM: Any opens? | 15:04 |
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| Corneliu | here is a preliminary report: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/1.4_QA_Status | 15:08 |
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| JaMa | rburton: not sure why I've seen those issues with prerm, because as you say they shoudn't be there but were | 15:17 |
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| rburton | JaMa: i've just done a build of dbus without sysvinit, and there was no prerm | 15:18 |
| JaMa | rburton: maybe it from upgrading from package without update-rc.d inhibited to one with inhibited | 15:18 |
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| rburton | that would mean opkg was running the old prerm *after* doing the file extraction | 15:19 |
| rburton | which is wrong | 15:19 |
| rburton | but hey, isn't that the motto of opkg? :) | 15:19 |
| rburton | "opkg - doing dpkg wrong since 1989" | 15:19 |
| darknighte | YPTM: Sean Hudson joining late... | 15:20 |
| darknighte | Song_Liu: ^ | 15:20 |
| fray | YPTM: Mark joining late.. | 15:21 |
| * zedii joins into the YPTM: joining late | 15:21 | |
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| * darknighte laughs at not being the last one in | 15:22 | |
| darknighte | don't forget Bruce... | 15:22 |
| zedii | darknighte, we just make an entrance | 15:22 |
| darknighte | heh… extra attention... | 15:22 |
| belen | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Web_Hob_design_project_with_T%26T | 15:26 |
| darknighte | belen: oh, come on, it's fun too! | 15:26 |
| belen | http://www.yoctoproject.org/webhob/phase3_final_web_prototype/dashboard.html | 15:26 |
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| darknighte | belen: the screenshots look pretty nice... | 15:27 |
| darknighte | dvhart: you get my email about the fri2? | 15:28 |
| belen | darknighte: good to hear | 15:28 |
| dvhart | darknighte, I did indeed, also replied | 15:28 |
| darknighte | Song_Liu: lots of people are probably at collab summit | 15:28 |
| darknighte | ? | 15:28 |
| * darknighte digs in email | 15:28 | |
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| darknighte | hah… dvhart, you are *spam*! | 15:29 |
| dvhart | indeed | 15:32 |
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| rburton | just had a scam call guy swear blind he was "calling from the world wide web" | 16:07 |
| fray | did you ask how the weather was? | 16:08 |
| rburton | fray: my approach this time was to deny that he was calling from the world wide web, and wait for him to insist that my Windows machines were insecure. no windows here blaa blaa and oh yes STOP CALLING ME | 16:09 |
| rburton | third time in three days they've called here :( | 16:09 |
| fray | My ISP (actual call even) was calling me at one point because their automated intrusion detection shit kept telling them that my Windows machines were insecure. | 16:10 |
| fray | I asked them which IP address, they first said they couldn't tell me over the phone, and then finally told me my main server.. | 16:11 |
| fray | which is Linux based.. | 16:11 |
| fray | apparently their little software experiment decided that since they got an odd response on a port.. I must be vulnerable... | 16:11 |
| fray | I was port forwarding something over a strange, low number.. and they considered that insecure behavior | 16:11 |
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| kergoth | seebs: we should really get your bitbake patch to improve the error for a set -e failure merged, or something equivalent | 18:06 |
| * kergoth just got bit by one of these | 18:06 | |
| seebs | <badly dubbed voiceover> I heartily endorse this product and/or service. | 18:08 |
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| kergoth | i actually don't really like set -e, and don't use it for my own scripts, but given the quality fo recipes sometimes, best to retain it.. | 18:10 |
| kergoth | heh | 18:11 |
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| seebs | We've been keeping it merged in our tree because we got bitten by it. | 18:14 |
| seebs | Took us TWO WEEKS of very very sporadic failures to find a particular problem. It was a case where the lack of fsync() was, on some filesystems, causing tar to emit "file changed while we were reading it" messages. | 18:15 |
| seebs | In the middle of a tar -v. | 18:15 |
| seebs | So we'd see a few thousand lines of file names, then a script aborting with no diagnostics that looked at all like error messages in sight. | 18:16 |
| kergoth | ugh | 18:16 |
| kergoth | file changed during a tar, I've definitely seen that one before | 18:16 |
| seebs | Eventually someone browsed through carefully enough to see the messages, and realize that tar exits 1 when it prints that message, even though it doesn't print a diagnostic after the file list. | 18:16 |
| seebs | BTW, if you see it more now, it may be because of pseudo suppressing fsyncs. | 18:16 |
| kergoth | will keep that in mind in case it comes up | 18:17 |
| seebs | We have had problems on, I think, one family of systems, in which a prelink done on a rootfs without fsync enabled will result in that happening. | 18:17 |
| seebs | Our prelink calls fsync().e | 18:17 |
| seebs | fsync() even. | 18:17 |
| kergoth | we're using a release recipe that archives up downloads/sstate/layers/bitbake/etc into separate artifacts for creation of installers | 18:17 |
| kergoth | ah, interesting | 18:17 |
| seebs | Because if it doesn't, a du before and after a prelink are uninformative because the one after can report tons of files at 0 size. | 18:17 |
| seebs | Because apparently, someone maintaining some Linux filesystem doesn't think the filesystem is obliged to report the size and modification time of files accurately. | 18:18 |
| kergoth | yikes. | 18:19 |
| seebs | I am fine with "the data may not have been flushed to disk yet". | 18:20 |
| seebs | But I am really convinced that at *least* the size in bytes and mtime are obliged to be stable. | 18:20 |
| seebs | I can grudgingly tolerate the count of blocks used being meaningless until the writes are flushed, although I dislike it. | 18:20 |
| mranostay | hi from collab | 18:21 |
| bluelightning | mranostay: hi not from collab... ;) | 18:22 |
| Crofton | mranostay, who let you in there, or did you sneak in | 18:23 |
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| kergoth | okay, do_populate_lic is sstate, so ends up doing an exec_func of sstate_create_package. sstate_create_package does not define a 'dirs' flag. as a result, bitbake sets its dirs to ${B} (ugh, this is so broken), which of course by default is ${S}, whcih means do_populate_lic ends up cd'ing into ${S} unnecessarily, and if any tasks set cleandirs=${S} or equivalent, as do_rootfs does (unnecessarily, it seems, IMAGE_ROOTFS is what's used, not ${S}), it cn | 18:45 |
| kergoth | moved | 18:45 |
| kergoth | looks like multiple questionable behaviors interacting here | 18:45 |
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| seebs | I vote that explanation be put up on the Twiki under the heading "bitbake in a nutshell" | 19:04 |
| hollisb | :-) | 19:06 |
| * kergoth chuckles | 19:08 | |
| kergoth | there's definitely a love/hate relationship involved | 19:08 |
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| kergoth | possibly more hate than love | 19:10 |
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| kergoth | Hmm, think I just found a problem with how INCOMPATIBLE_LICENSE is handled for binary packages | 20:00 |
| * kergoth sighs | 20:00 | |
| kergoth | Lets say you have a binary package ${PN}-foo, and this package includes ${bindir}/foo. then LICENSE_foo is GPLv3. unless you override the default FILES_${PN}, the removal of ${PN}-foo from PACKAGES will just result in shipping the foo binary with the ${PN} package instead of ${PN}-foo | 20:01 |
| kergoth | meaning you end up shipping gplv3 content anyway | 20:02 |
| kergoth | it needs to leave the packages in PACKAGES, but skip their actual creation, potentially just removing the files instead of moving them when populpating packages-split, or just let it split but don't emit the actual binary packages. | 20:02 |
| fray | skip == remove and don't package.. or package and remove result | 20:03 |
| fray | but ya.. | 20:03 |
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| * kergoth nods | 20:07 | |
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| mranostay | hi kergoth | 21:04 |
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| JaMa | RP: ping | 22:18 |
| JaMa | v2 was wrong, sending v2-v3 fix | 22:18 |
| JaMa | ah you did it | 22:19 |
| JaMa | thanks | 22:19 |
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| RP | JaMa: yes, I saw your v3 and thought I'd better fix | 22:22 |
| JaMa | I'm sorry for that, I should have waited for build to finish or send v0 where I had those exports in system recipe | 22:23 |
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| RP | JaMa: it happens, I'm just very worried about the release now, particularly with systemd :/ | 22:24 |
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| kergoth | RP: question, why are the lists in setscene_depvalid hardcoded? particularly isSafeDep and isPostInstDep seem like they could be data-driven. i just noticed touching the external toolchain recipe rebuilds the universe. | 23:14 |
| kergoth | heh | 23:14 |
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