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| eballetbo | boveutxein | 06:43 |
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| gonzzor | How is the PR variable used? What conseqeuence will I face if I forgot to increment it? | 07:09 |
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| panda84kde | some good guy committed my patch to openembedded. Thanks Richard Purdie (RP I think). | 07:59 |
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| panda84kde | I'm referring to http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?id=cf59801be372bda962a94e6a406e97d20744ae45 | 08:01 |
| panda84kde | morning all | 08:01 |
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| hbragge | hi, anyone knows if newer yocto kernel than 3.0 is available for intel d2550/nm10 (cedartrail) platform? | 08:19 |
| RP | panda84kde: you're welcome :) | 08:20 |
| bluelightning | morning all | 08:20 |
| hbragge | noticed that cedartrail was dropped from dylan, just wondering if it will come back, or has been renamed or something.. | 08:21 |
| Net147 | hbragge: the cdv graphics driver only supports up to kernel 3.1.0 | 08:24 |
| Net147 | hbragge: it hasn't been updated to be compatible with the newer kernels | 08:26 |
| hbragge | Net147: ok, any updates to be expected? | 08:27 |
| hbragge | i would think there is some demand at least, or? | 08:28 |
| Net147 | hbragge: not sure what Intel's plans are for the driver | 08:29 |
| hbragge | Net147: ok, many thanks for your info | 08:30 |
| Net147 | hbragge: I am interested in it as well since I use D2500HN | 08:32 |
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| Saur | Is there a way to see what package (rpm) installed a specific file in the rootfs? | 09:00 |
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| erbo | Saur: if you use rpms you can use rpm -qf /path/to/file (on target) | 09:12 |
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| erbo | Saur: that requires that you kept the package database though, some minimal images delete it to keep size down | 09:13 |
| Saur | erbo: Was more thinking of on the host (don't have rpm on the target) | 09:13 |
| bluelightning | Saur: we don't have anything out of the box that will do that, however you could hack it by adding a shell function to ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND that calls ${RPM} -qf ${IMAGE_ROOTFS}/path/to/file | 09:15 |
| Saur | ok | 09:15 |
| Saur | What is responsible for creating basic devices like /dev/null and /dev/zero that are needed long before udev is started? | 09:20 |
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| Saur | Ah, figured it out (meta/files/device_table-minimal.txt). | 09:28 |
| gonzzor | Is it possible to enable network access, if I use BB_NO_NETWORK, for certain recipes or host? | 09:29 |
| bluelightning | gonzzor: not that I know of, but you could use BB_FETCH_PREMIRRORONLY and use PREMIRRORS (or INHERIT += "own-mirrors" and SOURCE_MIRROR_URL, which does the same thing) to point to a local server | 09:35 |
| gonzzor | bluelightning: That could work, thanks | 09:36 |
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| Saur | I am currently switching between building Poky efb8a460d2 and Poky 1.5_M1.rc1. Somewhere in between libtasn1 changes version from libtasn1.so.3 to libtasn1.so.6 (I expect in c880bd0e13). Now when I rebuild it fails on wpa_supplicant because libgnutls is still referring to the other version of libtasn1. Why isn't libgnutls rebuilt so it refers to the current version of libtasn1 (it does DEPEND on it)? | 11:42 |
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| Saur | Btw, I need to do "bitbake -c clean gnutls" and "bitbake -f -C fetch gnutls" to get wpa-supplicant to build again (after up/downgrading past c880bd0e13 of poky). That doesn't feel right... | 12:12 |
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| tasslehoff | there is no reason a 2.6.x kernel compiled from Dylan shouldn't work? | 13:05 |
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| bluelightning | tasslehoff: no explicit reason I am aware of, although I have not tried building a 2.6 kernel with it | 13:10 |
| tasslehoff | bluelightning: ok. I'm stuck at "Starting kernel", with a recipe that worked for denzil. | 13:12 |
| bluelightning | tasslehoff: I can't tell but this may be related: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded/55701 | 13:14 |
| bluelightning | I can only assume that if the kernel config is exactly the same the issue must be with building the kernel with a newer gcc | 13:16 |
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| tasslehoff | bluelightning: that's what I thought as well. the uImage looks sane, the config is the same, and "mkimage -l" looks correct. | 13:18 |
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| Sam_ | Hello, is possible to configure a client IRc to access direct this channel? | 13:26 |
| tasslehoff | bluelightning: first attempt tomorrow is to compile with -mno-unaligned-access | 13:27 |
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| bluelightning | Sam__: depends on your client, quassel should support that | 13:32 |
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| Sam___ | Hello, i'm trying to create a image of Yocto using the kernel 3.8.13 to Gumstix Overo, who has tried this? | 13:37 |
| bluelightning | Sam___: I'm sure many people, however there might not be any in this room at this precise time | 13:40 |
| bluelightning | Sam___: are you having any difficulties? | 13:40 |
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| Sam___ | yes, with the machine, i look the versions of machines in the git of the project (kernel 3.8.13), if i use the arm is sufficient | 13:48 |
| Sam___ | ? Or i need to create one new BSP? | 13:48 |
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| Sam___ | bluelightning: yes, with the machine, i look the versions of machines in the git of the project (kernel 3.8.13), if i use the arm is sufficient | 13:53 |
| Sam___ | ? Or i need to create one new BSP? | 13:53 |
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| bluelightning | Sam___: you shouldn't need to create a new BSP unless there isn't a BSP for your hardware; meta-gumstix should provide BSPs for the gumstix machines I think | 13:54 |
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| r1mikey | Hi all - has anybody worked with armv6k tunings? I'm looking for patches for ARM tunings for the arm1176jz-s. | 14:01 |
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| Zagor | YPTM: Björn Stenberg is on the call | 15:00 |
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| Song_Liu | YPTM: Welcome to the technical team meeting. Please let me know who's on the bridge. Thanks! | 15:01 |
| RP | Song_Liu: I'm on the call | 15:02 |
| bluelightning | YPTM: Paul Eggleton is on the call | 15:02 |
| tomz2 | YPTM: tom z on the call | 15:02 |
| Zagor | YPTM: Björn Stenberg is on the call | 15:02 |
| strassek | YPTM: Kevin Strasser is here | 15:02 |
| rburton | YPTM: ross here | 15:03 |
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| halstead | YPTM: Michael is on the call | 15:03 |
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| evadeflow | Hi, all. David Wolfe of Navigation Solutions here. | 15:03 |
| evadeflow | (Formerly of Magneti Marelli.) | 15:04 |
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| RP | evadeflow: welcome back. I was looking at one of the bugs you filed recently funnily enough :) | 15:04 |
| Song_Liu | YPTM: Any opens? | 15:04 |
| evadeflow | Really? Wow, those things have a long tail. :-) | 15:04 |
| nitink | YPTM: nitin is on the bridge | 15:05 |
| zeddii | YPTM: bruce will dial in late. | 15:05 |
| RP | evadeflow: the one about fetching all the sources (I'm hoping I'm remembering the right thing! :) ) | 15:06 |
| fray | YPTM: Mark is here.. sorry I'm late | 15:06 |
| evadeflow | RP: Oh, yeah, I remember that one. | 15:06 |
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| AlexG | Song_Liu: here for a short moment :) | 15:08 |
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| AlexG | Song_Liu: here is the current 1.4 test report | 15:10 |
| AlexG | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/1.4_QA_Status | 15:10 |
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| bluelightning | AlexG: thanks | 15:10 |
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| pidge | YPTM: Beth just joined | 15:12 |
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| fray | pidge want me to share the SPDX stuff? | 15:18 |
| Zagor | oh, we're a boring crowd :) | 15:18 |
| RP | Zagor: any ptest developments? | 15:19 |
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| Zagor | RP: ah, yes. I can say a few words. | 15:19 |
| RP | Zagor: sounds good, look forward to seeing the patches! | 15:21 |
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| rburton | hi walters | 15:25 |
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| walters | hey rburton | 15:26 |
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| RP | bluelightning: perhaps you could give a summary of what is being planned for automated QA? | 15:28 |
| rburton | urgh who pushed something giant to poky-contrib | 15:30 |
| rburton | Receiving objects: 8% (10800/125958), 4.16 MiB | 184 KiB/s | 15:30 |
| rburton | for a repo last fetched this morning at 5am | 15:30 |
| bluelightning | RP: thanks for summarising | 15:32 |
| RP | evadeflow: that is good the hear, thanks! :) | 15:33 |
| RP | halstead: a fix has merged for that now, I think the ABs are using a workaround | 15:33 |
| evadeflow | RP: It really was super easy. I followed the Task#1 and Task#2 tutorials from https://community.freescale.com/docs/DOC-94849 and got an image for i.MX6 Sabre LITE building in a few hours with no problems. | 15:39 |
| evadeflow | It wasn't nearly so easy just 6 months ago. | 15:39 |
| evadeflow | (For that board, at least. meta-fsl seems to have gotten lots better.) | 15:40 |
| RP | evadeflow: I think it has, yes | 15:41 |
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| Garibaldi|work | anyone know of a package that provide ipv6 dhcp client services? | 15:55 |
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| bluelightning | Garibaldi|work: the "dhcp" recipe in master looks like it has support for ipv6 | 16:01 |
| bluelightning | (without having actually tried it that is) | 16:01 |
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| Garibaldi|work | ah, ok :-) | 16:03 |
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| Garibaldi|work | I looked in the conf files and didn't see any ipv6 addresses | 16:06 |
| Garibaldi|work | so I thought maybe not, but I'll investigate more. If it does, that'll simply life greatly :-) | 16:06 |
| Garibaldi|work | yeah, their website says it supports both | 16:08 |
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| bluelightning | interestingly it does not configure itself based on the "ipv6" DISTRO_FEATURES item... I don't know if that's an oversight or would be unnecessary | 16:10 |
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| fray | I'm guessing oversight.. I've seen a number of recipes that have that issue.. when I find them, I try to point people to fix them | 16:10 |
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| Garibaldi|work | I'll give it a shot, if it seems it ought to work and doesn't, I'll file a bug | 16:15 |
| bluelightning | Garibaldi|work: thanks | 16:19 |
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| ant_work | bluelightning: which devs are developing hob? | 16:20 |
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| bluelightning | ant_work: you mean the existing gtk hob? I think Cristiana Voicu is doing the maintenance work atm | 16:21 |
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| ant_work | I've seen again the issue where the hob script created its own tmp-eglibc-eglibc | 16:21 |
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| bluelightning | ant_work: definitely cause for filing a bug then if you wouldn't mind | 16:27 |
| ant_work | sure, I'll just want to see what happens if I run hob on build-from-scratch 'cause I've run it after bitbake invocations | 16:28 |
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| ant_work | bbl | 16:30 |
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| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #177 of nightly-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org:8011/builders/nightly-x86/builds/177 | 16:51 | |
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| seebs | There may be some pseudo work upcoming. We've got an experimental idea for performance improvements, and at some point in the next month or three I may have an update which cleans up and improves diagnostics/debugging. | 20:21 |
| seebs | This is sort of a back-burner task, but it's a thing to plug away at when I'm waiting for other stuff. | 20:22 |
| seebs | Goals are (1) reducing the computation done for messages that won't be displayed, (2) making it easier to get the debugging information you care about, (3) making it easier for people who aren't me to read the logs. | 20:23 |
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| bluelightning | seebs: sounds interesting | 20:48 |
| seebs | My other theory, of developing a retrovirus which makes other people's brains enough more like mine that the existing diagnostics would work, was not approved by the ethics committee. | 20:50 |
| seebs | In retrospect, I should have gone for a degree in *mad* psychology, their ethics committees are a lot more visionary-friendly. | 20:50 |
| walters | heh | 20:50 |
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| bluelightning | hah | 21:08 |
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| * fray finds Fedora make 3.82 is busted.. wonderful | 21:11 | |
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| fray | wow.. fc14 and newer are -all broken.. neat.. | 21:14 |
| fray | I wonder if anyone actually reads GNU savannah bugs exceptme... | 21:14 |
| zecke | fray: ;) | 21:17 |
| zecke | fray: the GNU make mailinglist was quite responsive when building WebKit got noticable slower (they didn't fix it though) | 21:17 |
| fray | heh | 21:19 |
| bluelightning | seebs: not sure if you saw, there was a pseudo patch for compilation on rhel 4.7 sent to the oe-devel mailing list; I told the submitter to send it upstream | 21:20 |
| seebs | Oh, I didn't see. Uhm. | 21:21 |
| seebs | I am starting to be very nervous about the possibility that I may not yet be free of RHEL 4.x patches. | 21:21 |
| * fray files a new bug | 21:21 | |
| seebs | Huh, I think I'm not actually *on* oe-devel, just oe-core. | 21:22 |
| bluelightning | yeah, it was an odd place to send it | 21:22 |
| bluelightning | seebs: it's here FYI: http://patchwork.openembedded.org/patch/51757/ | 21:22 |
| bluelightning | fray: I thought we tested on F17 and F18 for the last release | 21:23 |
| seebs | Thanks! That's… well, it's right, I think. What's weird is, the oldclone branch exists because we were building for RHEL 4.x at the time. | 21:27 |
| seebs | So I totally thought it had been tested. Maybe it used to have a … and they cleaned it up. | 21:27 |
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| fray | ahh Fedora bugzilla 975597 | 21:29 |
| fray | bluelightning .. it turns out Fedora "almost" fixed it | 21:29 |
| fray | see description on the oe-core list (or the Fedora bug) | 21:30 |
| fray | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=975597 | 21:30 |
| yocti | Bug 975597: was not found. | 21:30 |
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| fray | AFAIK, it's broken all the way back to Fedora 14.... :P | 21:31 |
| fray | sorry.. Fedora -16- | 21:31 |
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| * fray waits for the Fedora people to say it's invalid and ignore that bug report | 21:33 | |
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| * fray goes to verify the make 3.82 version we have in the YP is fixed.. :P | 21:34 | |
| fray | just dawned on me | 21:34 |
| bluelightning | fray: probably worth checking... | 21:35 |
| bluelightning | I thought that rburton and walters had checked it already though | 21:35 |
| fray | looking at the Fedora version.. it appears that they have about 2 or 3 patches.. for 3.82 issues | 21:35 |
| walters | i only backported one patch which fixed systemd's build | 21:35 |
| fray | good.. the 30653 is one of them | 21:36 |
| fray | (and that is there) | 21:36 |
| fray | our 30612 patch might be broken as well.. Hmm. | 21:36 |
| fray | ya.. we're missing it as well.. | 21:37 |
| fray | now I have to go find it | 21:37 |
| fray | looks like it was fixed Sun 12 Jun 2011.. but easn't tagged in the commit message with the right ID number | 21:38 |
| walters | what does the syntax test.a( test_a.c test_b.c) mean? | 21:38 |
| fray | it defines test.a with the dependencies of test_a.c and test_b.c | 21:39 |
| fray | that is the bit that was fixed. | 21:39 |
| fray | what is missing is the leading space.. | 21:39 |
| fray | it's easy for a leading space to get in there due to variable substitution.. | 21:39 |
| walters | doesn't test.a: test_a.c test_b.c already say that test.a depends on those? | 21:39 |
| fray | http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?30612 | 21:39 |
| fray | ya.. just a test case.. ;) | 21:40 |
| walters | confusing... | 21:40 |
| fray | try this.. | 21:40 |
| walters | so you can inject dependencies on other targets inside the dependency list of a different target? | 21:40 |
| fray | acidfoo: bar.c foobar.a(foo.c) | 21:40 |
| fray | where did acid come from?! | 21:40 |
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| fray | anyway.. that is a legal way to declare a dependency in foobar.a on foo.c, while defining something else | 21:41 |
| walters | seems like a pretty crack feature to me, although i guess i tend to use makefile-generating programs rather than writing raw make typically | 21:41 |
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| fray | found the fix http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/make.git/commit/?id=b06b8c64a29a5ba3a8daecd829fa2f98d42cb285 | 21:42 |
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| RP | seebs: performance and other improvements sound good | 22:03 |
| fray | RP, re the make 3.82 -- I'd suggest we add make to the buildtools set.. :P | 22:04 |
| RP | fray: yes, that would be an easy fix | 22:04 |
| fray | once my current world build is done.. I'll be trying tht | 22:05 |
| seebs | There's a couple of notions for performance hackery, not sure whether they'll work. But the diagnostics stuff could be massively improved, and I can have a pass over the docs to make sure they're reasonably coherent. | 22:05 |
| seebs | (oh, and fray, the "acid" came from an IRC client figuring that x: where x is the end of a user's name is intended to be addressing them, so it expanded the name.) | 22:05 |
| RP | Biggest win for performance now would likely be to find ways to make configure faster | 22:05 |
| RP | 33% of build time in do_configure :/ | 22:06 |
| Crofton|work | rp, obviously we need to use native compilation | 22:06 |
| Crofton|work | so people undertand how much better we are | 22:06 |
| RP | Crofton|work: how about we replace autoconf ;-) | 22:06 |
| Crofton|work | heh | 22:06 |
| seebs | autoconf is pretty atrocious. | 22:07 |
| Crofton|work | or find a way to cache answers or something | 22:07 |
| fray | we have the answer cache (site cache) in place already.. | 22:07 |
| seebs | You could get noticable improvements from making an autoconf variant generate configure files that aren't trying to be completely portable shell. | 22:07 |
| fray | we just need to populate more answers.. we should get performance improvement from looking at the cross section of configure runs and finding other places we can pre-answer questions | 22:07 |
| RP | seebs: right... | 22:07 |
| seebs | But there's also a lot of just plain stupid tests. | 22:08 |
| RP | that too | 22:08 |
| seebs | There's a lot of stuff that's tested by default even though it doesn't need to be, either for most things, or for anything. | 22:08 |
| fray | I suspect more site cache would be the lowest hanging fruit.. | 22:08 |
| fray | next is get rid of stupid tests.. followed by portable shell.. | 22:08 |
| * fray loathes working in m4 though | 22:08 | |
| seebs | I think the shell stuff is mostly just startup time stuff like deciding whether configure needs to implement an "echo" that bypasses the limitations of particular systems, whether it's working in zsh, stuff like that. | 22:09 |
| fray | ya, so it might be easier to fix then I'm thinking | 22:09 |
| RP | from what I remember the time is 50% reautoconf and 50% running configure | 22:09 |
| seebs | But for instance, I seem to recall noting that the default behavior of configure is to test whether an F77 exists. | 22:09 |
| seebs | Or, say, trying to determine sizeof(char). | 22:09 |
| fray | the char (and related) we should already be caching | 22:10 |
| seebs | I dunno about the bitbake/oe-core stuff. I believe the WR build system used to have pre-cached results that we just hand-populated into our config cache so they wouldn't get checked. | 22:10 |
| fray | ya, we moved that over to Poky (at the time) back in the 0.9 days | 22:10 |
| RP | seebs: we do have that functionality bit we don't use it much | 22:10 |
| RP | I suspect there are better ways to win | 22:11 |
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| RP | anyhow, /me -> Zzzz | 22:11 |
| RP | 'night all | 22:11 |
| fray | 'night! | 22:11 |
| seebs | That said. I still find the sizeof(char) test vaguely offensive, because the language spec *defines* sizeof in terms of char. | 22:11 |
| seebs | When applied to an operand that has type char, unsigned char, or signed char, (or a qualified version thereof) the result is 1. | 22:11 |
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| seebs | So basically, if sizeof(char) != 1, you are out in the woods on your own, and we cannot help you. | 22:11 |
| seebs | Sleep good! | 22:12 |
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| net147 | bluelightning: can you mark my duplicate patch on oe patchwork as superseded? keep the newer one. | 23:01 |
| bluelightning | net147: done | 23:03 |
| net147 | bluelightning: thanks. | 23:03 |
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