Tuesday, 2013-07-16

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khemmulhern: yes its normal but rare these days since releases are frequent and timely, what features do you have in mind00:47
mulhernkhem: It's security related from a person who contacted me in France.00:48
mulhernkhem: gcc 4.8 currently has two flags: -fstack-protector and -fstack-protector-all00:48
mulhernThey implement the same mechanism.00:49
CircuitsoftSo, after making a busybox_1.20.2.bbappend and files/defconfig with corrected CONFIG_IFUPDOWN_UDHCPC_CMD_OPTIONS, it's still building with the -n option in ifupdown.00:49
khemmulhern: we have recently added security feature00:49
khemlook into that it should cover it00:49
mulhernkhem: Where should I look?00:49
khemat OpenEmbedded core metadata00:49
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mulhernkhem: In bugzilla? Or in directory structure?00:52
kheme.g. meta/conf/distro/include/security_flags.inc00:53
khemyou would include that in your distro00:53
khemand it should start to harden your distro00:53
khemor you can just add it to your local.conf00:54
khemrequire conf/distro/include/security_flags.inc00:54
mulhernkhem: Is more complicated. There is a third flag now, -fstack-protector-strong, which seems to have gone into gcc 4.9.00:54
khemyes, that needs to be backported first into gcc 4.800:55
mulhernIt works like the other two but causes the transformation to be applied more often than -fstack-protector but much less often than -fstack-protector-all.00:56
mulhernIt's been used on chromiumos for a while now and seems well liked.00:57
khemI know this option00:57
khemseems less intrusive to me00:57
mulhernReports are slowdown is minimal, whereas -fstack-protector-all it's pretty serious (typically).00:58
khemI would only worry if the gcc testsuite regressions are OK00:59
khemare not ok00:59
mulhernSo, you would be open to it if it wasn't breaking stuff and the appropriate patch could be obtained?01:00
khemIf you have plans to propose a backport its ok01:00
khemmake sure that both gcc and metadata are fixed01:00
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tonyhoIs anyone can help me for the Question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17648449/where-to-see-the-detail-of-do-rootfs-procedurethe-copied-files-path-in-openemb03:03
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qiangHow to use the SSTATE_MIRRORS in the case of NFS server ?03:21
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iwamatsu___Is there a way to get a list of packages that are created from recipes?07:55
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ant_workiwamatsu___: bitbake -s > packages.txt08:16
iwamatsu___ant_work: thank you. However, the method does not take only a list of recipes. I want to get the list of packages that will be created from the recipe....08:20
iwamatsu___For example, libacl-dev and libacl is created from recipe of acl08:21
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ant_workiwamatsu___: offhand I'd say to list providers you have to enable debug08:27
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ndeciwamatsu___: how about bitbake -e <package> | grep "^PACKAGES="08:31
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iwamatsu___ndec: thanks, it work!08:35
bluelightningmorning all08:37
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exosystpot shot here but has anyone managed to use a Yocto toolchain with Fedora 19? The installer worked on F18 but doesn't work on F19 - any takers?09:23
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fenrigHi how do i include qemu into my sdk generation?11:43
fenrigtill now I've used "MACHINE="qemuarm" bitbake edna-image-minimal -c populate_sdk"11:44
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fenrigi've read about runqemu-extract-sdk11:51
fenrigbut then I don't have my full sysroot11:52
fenrigbecause then I have to go back to the adt-installer instead of "-c populate_sdk"11:52
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bluelightningfenrig: I think you would do TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK += "nativesdk-qemu" in your image recipe12:12
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fenrigbluelightning: thx, however there is not much information/documentation about the sdk :/12:13
bluelightningfenrig: I will try to get that improved for the next release12:13
fenrigbluelightning: thx ;-) keep up the good work12:15
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fenrigbluelightning: what does "TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK += "nativesdk-qemu"" do and how does it help me?12:40
bluelightningfenrig: you wanted qemu in the host part of your SDK, right?12:40
fenrigbluelightning: yeah :)12:40
fenrigbluelightning: so how do I use it then?12:41
bluelightningfenrig: right, that will accomplish that12:41
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fenrigbluelightning: how?12:41
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bluelightningfenrig: it becomes part of the SDK installation in the same way as the cross compiler and other tools12:42
StygiaHello. I am trying to build a package, but it seems that no matter what I do I cannot get LD use proper paths during build stage. This is my full recipe (without dependencies, but it is do_compile that fails for this recipe) and the error output: http://pastebin.com/7m6172iD Anyone have some pointers? :)12:42
bluelightningfenrig: once the SDK has been installed you should be able to run qemu-system-<arch>12:43
bluelightningStygia: you shouldn't be touching ${D} until do_install12:45
bluelightningStygia: that's likely the root of your issue there12:45
Stygiabluelightning, Hmm alright, I was under the impression that without D prefixed, I would be instructing LD and the other tools to install into my actual root system?12:46
Stygiabluelightning, And can/should I still do DESTDIR=${D}?12:47
bluelightningStygia: yes you should, but only within do_install12:47
fenrigbluelightning: I can't use qemu-system-<arch> and I'd like to integrate it into eclipse :/12:47
bluelightningfenrig: I'm afraid I don't know anything about eclipse integration12:47
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fenrigI was following this (incomplete) guide12:48
fenrigbut at the settings it doens't really help at pointing at the right things :o12:49
fenrigit's really general12:49
bluelightningStygia: otherwise, any dependencies should be picked up from the sysroot and output just goes to the directory in which you're building (the current directory or ${B} if you need to refer to it explicitly, which you shouldn't in most cases)12:50
Stygiabluelightning, Ah yes, now I'm back to my original problem, my cross-platform linker gives this error: | arm-poky-linux-gnueabi-ld: warning: library search path "/usr/local/lib" is unsafe for cross-compilation12:50
Stygiabluelightning, Hmm. I was actually trying to achieve the exact opposite, to prevent LD from using /usr/local/lib and other paths on my system.12:51
bluelightningStygia: right, it shouldn't be looking at your host system12:51
Stygiabluelightning, That's why I wanted to set LDFLAGS to ${D}${something}, but that didn't work for me.12:51
Stygiabluelightning, this is the command that fails: | arm-poky-linux-gnueabi-ld --sysroot=/mnt/dev/fsl-community-bsp/build/tmp/sysroots/imx6qsabresd  -shared -L/usr/local/lib -fstack-protector -Wl,-Bsymbolic SQLite.o dbdimp.o sqlite3.o  -o blib/arch/auto/DBD/SQLite/SQLite.so12:52
Stygiabluelightning, I was (mistakenly) hoping that adding ${D} in front of L in LDFLAGS would make it stop doing this.12:52
StygiaWell actually it _does_ make it stop doing that, giving the other error in my pastebin.12:52
Stygiabluelightning, There is _one_ source file - not mine, part of the module - that directly refers to /usr/local/include/12:53
Stygiabluelightning, I have considered just sed'ing this file... but I realize that would be evil.12:54
bluelightningStygia: it's just that the sysroot is not ${D}, it's ${STAGING_DIR_HOST}12:55
bluelightningStygia: if the path is genuinely hardcoded and can't be overridden by passing in the path, sed'ing is the only option12:56
Stygiabluelightning, Well... alright. I will do that then, I think, hoping it helps.12:57
Stygiabluelightning, Hmm. What should I substitute for /usr/local/lib, ${libdir}?12:59
bluelightningStygia: I would think so yes13:00
Stygiabluelightning, Thanks, I'll try.13:00
Stygiabluelightning, You, by the way, are the single most friendly and helpful person I"ve found on IRC.13:00
bluelightningStygia: you're welcome :)13:00
Stygiabluelightning, The last couple of weeks of working with this would have sucked a _lot_ if not for you and rburton13:01
Stygiabluelightning, So hang in there. ;)13:01
bluelightningStygia: I have the impression perl isn't really designed with cross-compilation in mind, so you have probably jumped in at the deep end :)13:02
bluelightningStygia: I feel rewarded when people are successful with the system, so I'd say the same to you :)13:03
Stygiabluelightning, Hehe, yes, this has been kinda fun. But it has taken me about a week + to even run my script, and I'm still working on it.13:03
StygiaOkay, so it's roughly 1,000 lines of perl, and it works with our API and does a lot of work, but still.13:04
Stygiabluelightning, Once I finish all this I'll try and commit what I've done into OE proper... oe-classic?13:06
bluelightningStygia: if you have a number of additional recipes it might be worth creating a separate layer13:07
bluelightningoe-classic is the old, no longer really maintained version of OE13:07
Stygiabluelightning, Ah right. Well we do already have a layer, but it's company-specific.13:08
bluelightningStygia: sure, in this case I figure it would be a generic layer for perl recipes that are additional to the ones already in OE-Core13:09
Stygiabluelightning, Hmm alright, well I'll look into that once I'm done.13:12
Stygiabluelightning, Question, is there a reason sed in BB doesn't take / for a delimiter but wants :? It weirds me out, I'm so used to PCRE13:12
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bluelightningStygia: it should accept / but of course if you're dealing with strings that contain / that could be problematic, best to use : or ! or some other symbol13:13
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hsychlahi guys, quick question: at the beginning of my bitbake build, all recipes are parsed. can I then, while the build is running, work on the recipes and layers or could that produce build errors if a recipe changes?13:14
rburtonStygia: note that the delimiter in sed is up to the person writing the expression13:14
bluelightninghsychla: I think recipes can get re-read during the build process so you should avoid doing that13:15
Stygiarburton, Yes... this is what I thought, actually. I just seemingly can't get sed to work from bb when it does work from bash. But I think I"m doing something wrong13:15
hsychlabluelightning: thanks for the quick answer! not the answer I was hoping for but that's not your fault... :)13:16
mshakeelrburton: Can you please comment here further: http://patches.openembedded.org/patch/53489/ ; sorry about formatting, I did email client update and all settings messed up13:16
rburtonmshakeel: ah yes, sorry13:18
rburtonStygia: feel free to pastebin something in case its a silly typo13:19
Stygiarburton, I will if I still can't get this to work in a while. But I have read it so many times, I don't think I typo'd again.13:19
Stygiarburton, Plus... regular expressions is one thing I have _tons_ of experience with, so if I'm doing the wrong I'll be pissy.13:19
bluelightningStygia: can you give an example sed command that doesn't work?13:20
Stygiabluelightning,     sed -i 's/\/usr\/local\/lib\//${libdir}/g' sqlite3.c13:22
Stygiabluelightning, But I made this pass by using : for a delimiter.13:22
ant_workguys, in some cases a brute patch is easier...13:22
bluelightningStygia: ${libdir} contains slashes though13:22
bluelightningStygia: surely that's what would break it?13:22
Stygiabluelightning, Yes, but I have this expression in by do_configure_pretend and it does not complain: sed -i 's:\./configure\(.[^-]\):./configure --build=${BUILD_SYS} --host=${HOST_SYS} --target=${TARGET_SYS} --prefix=${prefix} --exec_prefix=${exec_prefix} --bindir=${bindir} --sbindir=${sbindir} --libexecdir=${libexecdir} --datadir=${datadir} --sysconfdir=${sysconfdir} --sharedstatedir=${sharedstatedir} --localstatedir=${localstatedir} --libdir=13:22
Stygia${libdir} --includedir=${includedir} --oldincludedir=${oldincludedir} --infodir=${infodir} --mandir=${mandir}\1:' Makefile.PL13:22
Stygiabluelightning, Uh sorry, was a bit longer than I itended.13:22
bluelightningStygia: sure, but there you've specified that the separator is : so slashes wouldn't be an issue in that expression13:23
Stygiabluelightning, This is what I'm currently using:     sed -i 's:\/usr\/local\/lib:${libdir}:g' sqlite3.c13:23
bluelightningStygia: sure13:24
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bluelightningStygia: when ${libdir} gets expanded the original statement will become this: sed -i 's/\/usr\/local\/lib\///usr/lib/g' sqlite3.c13:25
Stygiabluelightning, But it doesn't seem to prevent the error with LD using /usr/local/lib...13:25
bluelightningStygia: there has to be another reference somewhere then, or a path you're not overriding by passing it in13:25
Stygiabluelightning, Yes, I assume so. I'll try and find the local copy of sqlite3.c and see what happens to it.13:26
Stygiabluelightning, but grep -ri "/usr/local/lib" in the extracted folder only shows one entry in sqlite3.c, though.13:26
bluelightningStygia: btw, have you been using the OE-Classic recipes as a reference at all? some of these recipes have already been written there and should only need migrating13:27
Stygiabluelightning, Yes, I have.13:28
Stygiabluelightning, http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded/tree/recipes/perl/libdbd-sqlite-perl_1.31.bb this recipe fails for me, though, complaining about Makefile.PL13:28
Stygiabluelightning, What happens at times with the CPAN meta class, but I'll work-around it I hope.13:29
bluelightningStygia: hmm... I would have thought the answer would be to continue to use cpan.bbclass and fix or override it where needed rather than re-doing everything by hand13:30
Stygiabluelightning, Usually it is. But this recipe is troublesome.13:32
Stygiabluelightning, And, hmm. Now I've substituted it successfully for ${libdir}. But it still stops and complains that -L/usr/local/lib is insecure for cross-compilation. I can resolve that by doing LDFLAGS = "-L${D}${libdir}", but then it complains that ..../image/usr/lib, in spite of that location existing.13:33
bluelightningStygia: as I mentioned, ${D} isn't the sysroot13:34
bluelightningStygia: ${STAGING_LIBDIR} is probably what you want (which includes ${libdir})13:34
Stygiabluelightning, Oh wait, right. I'll try that. ${D} is the destination sysroot, the place from which the "real", eventual system is build, which is why I should only bother with it in do_install... yea?13:35
bluelightningStygia: ${D} is the destination directory yes, and yes13:36
bluelightningStygia: these are the kinds of details that a central class is supposed to help avoid you having to deal with ;)13:37
Stygiabluelightning, Heh yea I know. The CPAN class _usually_ works great, but it's harder to troubleshoot when it does complain.13:37
Stygiabluelightning, Question, is oe-classic maintained? If their recipe for perl-module-dbd-sqlite doesn't build ATM, can I try and commit my own recipe instead?13:38
bluelightningStygia: no, we prefer to get recipes working on top of OE-Core and find a layer to publish up-to-date recipes in (if one doesn't already exist)13:38
Stygiabluelightning, Ah, right. I think the "perl" layer layer will be fine, if it still exists in OE-core. Or devtools.13:39
Stygiabluelightning, I've been told (by rburton, IIRC) that I"ve build practically all of metacpan by now.13:39
rburtonwell, a start of it :)13:40
bluelightningStygia: OE-Core is one layer; but we probably wouldn't add these to OE-Core itself since they aren't needed by most folks, a separate layer is probably the way to go13:40
rburtoni can see merit in a meta-cpan or something like that13:41
Stygiarburton, Yea, I could create that layer I suppose. I wouldn't even mind maintaining it, not by this point.13:45
StygiaAnd hmm. I have still not been able to make it work, using STAGING_LIBDIR. It gives the same error as using LIBDIR in LDFLAGS: http://pastebin.com/CabBU7YJ (recipe and errors included). Not tampering with LDFLAGS makes it try and -L/usr/local/lib which generates an error.13:46
StygiaThe folder most definitively exists, it contains lots of files.13:47
rburtonStygia: one sec, i'm just getting that statement witnessed by a lawyer13:50
zibristygia: does Makefile.PL take an -L flag?13:50
Stygiazibri, I don't think it takes options at all, it has no help and when I skimmed the source I didn't see opt parsing.13:53
zibrii don't think so at least... i can't find it in any reference to in the source.13:53
Stygiazibri, Heh same conclusion I made.13:53
zibristygia: i does take stuff like PREFIX=/lolol13:53
zibribut that's all i think13:53
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Stygiazibri, Hmm okay, I missed that, then.13:54
Stygiazibri, But for now, it says that a directory which most certainly does exist doesn't. I'm probably misinterpreting the error output, but I"m sorta running out of ideas on where to look/what to try.13:54
zibristygia: note that -L13:54
zibriehrm, it complains about a path beginning with -L13:55
Stygiazibri, But I'm pretty sure this is how LD works, isn't it? Before I even tampered with LD at all it said complained about -L/usr/local/lib being insecure13:55
Stygiazibri, It's LD which fails, and I am/was under the impression that -L/path/something and -R/some/path is the right way to do it13:56
zibriyes, but you do "perl Makefile.PL ${LDFLAGS} ..."13:56
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zibriehm, sorry my bad. that's do_configure13:56
Stygiazibri, I'll try, but IIRC I did this already, and it will complain about -L/usr/local/lib?13:56
zibristygia: ah, in do_compile you start the command by doing ${LDFLAGS}, i.e. trying to execute -L${STAGING_LIBDIR}13:57
Stygiazibri, I tried LDFLAGS=${LDFLAGS}, too13:57
Stygiazibri, With it just dies saying that -L/usr/local/lib is insecure for cross-compliation13:57
zibrilook at line 32 in your paste, it's missing the actual command13:57
Stygiazibri, Which is why I tihnk this LD stuff is sorta right, it does prevent that error and instead creates _another_ error that -R/mnt/dev/fsl-community-bsp/build/tmp/sysroots/imx6qsabresd/usr/lib: not found13:58
zibriLDFLAGS=${LDFLAGS} is at least more correct than the line in the paste13:58
Stygiazibri, Ah well.13:58
Stygiabluelightning, Hmm. Doing do_compile, should I be using STAGING_X instead of X varibales?14:01
bluelightningStygia: I assume so yes14:02
fenrigare there any good sdk documentation, cause I'm really stuck :/14:02
Stygiafenrig, http://docs.openembedded.org/usermanual/usermanual.html These is this manual, which is the best I've found14:03
bluelightningthat manual is quite out-of-date by now though14:03
Stygiafenrig, IMHO OE/BB documentation is in need of some TLC.14:03
Stygiabluelightning, Ah.14:03
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bluelightningyou really want to be using the Yocto Project documentation14:03
Stygiabluelightning, Well I always, always have problems finding proper documentation for it, though.14:04
Stygiabluelightning, Yocto project docs? Hmm alright.14:04
Stygiafenrig, Just listen to bluelightning he knows this way better than me14:04
fenrigoh yeah, and where does the difference from angstrom en yocto come from. Angstrom SDK generated a "native" tool directory and Yocto generetad some scripts :/14:04
fenrigbluelightning: Those documentation aren't really complete enough14:04
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bluelightningfenrig: I realise that for your purposes, but they really are much more up-to-date than the OE manual linked above14:05
fenrigbluelightning: sometimes they are unclear. they seem to look nice but in reality they are everything but complete :/14:05
bluelightningfenrig: we do accept bug reports for the documentation14:05
bluelightningin fact we would really appreciate them14:06
fenrigbluelightning: yes well I can report some bugs, but that won't really get my much farther at this moment.14:06
bluelightningfenrig: I really want to help you but the problem I have is I don't regularly use the SDK nor do I use Eclipse...14:06
bluelightningfenrig: if nobody else here can advise you I'd suggest you try posting the complete issue to the mailing list14:07
fenrigbluelightning: okay will do, hope this will help me :)14:08
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Stygiabluelightning, If I want to write my own do_install etc while using cpan/autotools, this is when I set BBCLASSEXTEND = "native", yes?14:14
bluelightningStygia: er, no, BBCLASSEXTEND = "native" creates a -native variant of your recipe for building for the host14:16
bluelightning(building for the build host that is)14:16
bluelightningStygia: if you want to specify your own do_install, just specify it after the inherit line14:16
Stygiabluelightning, Ah, right. Thanks. Hmm is there a system variable for /usr/share/, or /usr/local? I haven't found any in the manuals I have available14:17
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bluelightningStygia: /usr/share is ${datadir}; /usr/local isn't a normal install path so we don't have a variable for that14:21
fenrigbluelightning: I mailed the mailing list, thx for helping me out14:24
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Stygiabluelightning, Thanks, I will do that, and then use sed for /usr/local which _is_ being installed to by this program.14:30
Stygiabluelightning, I'm gonna go file a bug for /usr/local not having a variable14:31
bluelightningStygia: I don't think that's a bug14:31
bluelightningStygia: when pieces of software install stuff into /usr/local instead of ${prefix}, that is a bug in the way the software is being built14:31
Stygiabluelightning, But now, instead of having to the _option_ of redirecting /usr/local, I have to sed the makefile14:32
bluelightningStygia: having a variable won't fix that though14:32
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bluelightningStygia: I would recommend filing a bug with upstream to make it not hardcode /usr/local14:33
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Stygiabluelightning, Wouldn't it? Wouldn't it allow me to ensure /usr/local didn't get used directly?14:45
Stygiabluelightning, Like with the other variables.14:45
bluelightningStygia: just having the variable wouldn't affect building your recipe, no14:45
bluelightningStygia: you'd have to pass in the alternative path somehow, and if that's possible you can just do that now14:46
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Stygiabluelightning, Ah. Well fair enough. AFAIK it isn't, we're SED'ing like crazy here.14:48
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bluelightningStygia: this doesn't make sense though, when I install these perl libraries on my normal distro, they certainly do not go into /usr/local14:52
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Stygiabluelightning, Hmm. DBD::SQLite?14:52
Stygiabluelightning, This _is_ the first CPAN module that has been bothering me about this particular thing, though.14:53
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Stygiabluelightning, Which is weird, since its' by Stephen Mueller, one of the 3 people who apparently wrote like 80% of all the modules on metacpan. :P14:53
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StygiaGisle Aas being the absolute king.14:53
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bluelightningStygia: http://pastebin.com/UpWPRPUY14:55
bluelightning(this is on Ubuntu)14:55
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Stygiabluelightning, Well... the Makefile here does explicitly mention /usr/local/, and it does try to go there14:57
Stygiabluelightning, But I fixed it with these sed's though:     sed -i 's:\/usr\/local:${D}/usr/local:g' Makefile14:58
Stygia    sed -i 's:\/usr\/share:${D}/usr/share:g' Makefile14:58
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bluelightningStygia: I'm tempted to suggest looking at how Debian / Fedora /etc. build this specific piece of software14:58
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AlexGYPTM: AlexG here14:59
AlexGanybody on the bridge? Song_Liu ?14:59
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Stygiabluelightning, But now I get: http://pastebin.com/5UK1ypXw, which I thought I could resolve by making a recipe for perl-module-extutils-typemap, which I did and added to RDEPENDS_${PN}, but no luck.14:59
frayYPTM: FYI, I'm going to be a few minutes late, but I will be on the call14:59
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davestYPTM davest is in the house15:01
sgw_YTPM: Saul is here15:01
Guest46788YPTM: Tom Z here15:01
jmpdelosYPTM: polk is here15:01
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Guest41898YPTM: Welcome to the technical team meeting, please let me know who's on the bridge15:01
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halsteadYPTM: Michael here15:02
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scottrifYPTM: Scott Rifenbark joined call15:02
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frayYPTM: I'm here15:02
tomz2YPTM: Tom here15:02
b46258Matthew Weigel here15:03
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Song_LiuYPTM: Any open?15:03
* fray is going on vacation and won't be around for a week or so..15:03
pidgeYPTM: Dialing in15:03
cristianiorgaYPTM: Cristian joined15:03
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AlexGYPTM: The QA report for last week is ready: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/WW28_-_2013-07-10-1_-_Weekly_Yocto_1.5_M215:05
jzhang-laptopYPTM: jzhang on the call15:05
StygiaYPTM? Yocto project team meeting?15:05
zeddiiYPTM: Bruce Ashfield on the call.15:05
sgw_Stygia: yes15:05
Song_LiuStygia: yes15:05
StygiaThanks. :)15:05
frayopen to the community -- 972-995-7777 x 42001078#15:06
sgw_Stygia: your welcome to join, fray beat me to the number15:06
RamanaYPTM: Ramana here15:07
sgw_zeddii: you on?15:07
zeddii<zeddii> YPTM: Bruce Ashfield on the call.15:07
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davestSong_Liu: can you please post the link to the M2 release criteria? Having proxy problems15:11
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Song_LiuYPTM: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Yocto_Project_v1.5_Status#Milestone_215:15
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frayFYI, M2 suffered from toolchain transition issues and other issues.. which we've since corrected (I think).. so release note is "good enough"15:18
frayI agree an preview/RC0? is a good idea if they have the cycles while avoiding further M2 work15:21
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AlexGYPTM: need to drop the call. See you next week!15:25
Song_LiuAlexG: sure. thank you15:26
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sgw_Song_Liu: thanks for running the YPTM15:29
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Stygiazibri, And as you wish.15:39
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zibristygia: is your layer available somewhere? using the cpan bbclass seems to work-ish, but i lack DBI, so i can't Makefile.PL to generate a Makefile. (Also, the Makefile.PL exits with 0 in that case, so do_configure() doesn't fail :-( )16:00
Stygiazibri, Not yet, but I could easily upload it (we do intend to open it). I could also just send you the DBI recipe, would that work?16:00
zibriyes, probably, as long as it doesn't have any other dependencies not available :)16:01
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Stygiazibri, http://pastebin.com/CbdfCft816:04
Stygiazibri, I think it _may_, hang on16:04
Stygiazibri, Huh, no. DBI has no dependencies on CPAN16:05
Stygiazibri, Ah, but DBD::SQLite does, one of which (Tie::Hash) I have no recipe for.16:05
zibriheh, i'll just comment it out for the time being ;)16:05
Stygiazibri, IT's not mentioned in the recipe, though.16:06
Stygiazibri, I just RDEPENDS_${PN} all of them in my "main" recipe (the actual script all this depends on)16:06
Stygiazibri, I do intend to fix that.16:06
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Stygiazibri, I'll be leaving for the day BTW16:09
Stygiazibri, Heh, I get paid to do this ATM. ^_^16:09
zibrii just love perl i guess :)16:10
Stygiazibri, Heh, perl is nice. Although... I will honestly admit I have lost my love for it after meeting Python.16:10
Stygiazibri, There are certain things just missing from Perl that, IMHO, make it fit for small-ish projects but not for larger programs.16:11
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RichBaylisshey anyone about?16:39
RichBaylissI have a quick question regarding recipes for Yocto/BitBake16:39
mr_sciencego ahead, spit it out...16:39
RichBaylissI am building an application which requires a "normal" user account to run16:39
RichBaylisslike apache would do, running in "www-data" for example16:39
RichBaylissso how would I get my recipe to add this into the system16:39
mr_scienceyou can inherit useradd16:39
RichBaylissgenius.. so inherit useradd, then presumably some variable to specify the details?16:40
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RichBayliss(I am very very new to this, btw)16:40
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mr_scienceme too, in terms of the latest meta-* stuff16:41
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mr_sciencemostly still use oe-classic16:41
RichBaylissI think I have it...16:41
RichBaylissin meta-skelleton is an example, duh - appologies for the dumb question :D16:41
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sgw_RichBayliss: basiclly it takes useradd parameters so you can set everything, no dumb questions here!16:41
RichBaylissmr_science - thankyou very much, I will go try it16:42
RichBaylisscheers guys16:42
RichBaylissfingers crossed! :D16:42
RichBaylissit builds! time to do an image and test it on my RPi! Thanks guys - been smashing my head into the keyboard over this for a couple of hours :(16:45
mr_sciencei usually grep for examples...16:46
mr_scienceso is there any kind of yocto/poky setup guide for remote gdb?16:49
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mr_scienceseeing a little bit of mailing list traffic...16:51
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kergothmr_science: there's nothing yocto/oe specific about it at all. install gdbserver, run it as you would on any linux systemm, connect with gdb as with any remote connection16:58
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RichBaylissBRILL! Image compiled and working fine - thanks guys, much appreciated!17:16
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-YoctoAutoBuilder- build #207 of nightly-arm is complete: Failure [failed Running Sanity Tests] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org:8011/builders/nightly-arm/builds/20717:59
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mr_sciencekergoth: nothing about installing *-dbg packages or other setup stuff specific to OE?18:13
adam__Good morning! Can I get some pointers patching an existing .bb file? This recipe has multiple patches already. I simply want to patch the .bb file from a .bbappend in my own layer18:14
mr_sciencejust make a .bbappend and add what you need18:15
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mr_sciencenormally you can just d_foo_append() {} your own functions, etc18:15
adam__mr_science: ya.. I realized as soon as i hit the enter key18:16
mr_scienceeg, do_install_append() { add your code }18:16
mr_scienceyou can _append most things...18:17
adam__mr_science: i'm bitbaking again with the list of files removed in my bbappend18:17
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mr_sciencethe list of patch files?18:18
mr_scienceis there a newer upstream version than the existing recipe?18:18
adam__mr_science: hmm yes. The story is this - I have a recipe that contains some patches. And I simply want to patch the recipe's bb file. This recipe is in a different layer from my own.18:18
ftonellois there any other way to find dependencies chain instead of "bitbake -g -u depexp"?18:19
ftonellobecause the dependency in -u depexp is wrong..18:19
rburtonftonello: just bitbake -g will write dot files, so you can see the raw deps18:19
rburtonftonello: but if you've found a bug in depexp, mail me with a way to reproduce :)18:19
ftonellolibnss-mdns triggers avahi, but nothing triggers libnss-mdns :(18:19
ftonelloits not a bug there I think..18:20
mr_scienceadam__: what specifically do you want to change from the existing recipe?18:20
ftonelloso avahi is been installed in my image without no one trigering it.. make any sense?18:20
mr_scienceseveral things could pull in avahi as a dep...18:20
mr_sciencepretty much anything that needs zereconf support...18:21
mr_science*zeroconf even18:21
adam__mr_science: i need to modify the pkg_postinst behavior of the original recipe18:21
rburtonftonello: you might find it coming in through an image feature that doesn't always appear in depexp18:21
adam__mr_science: can i simply overwrite the entire pkg_postinst fuction from my bbappened?18:22
mr_scienceadam__: so you want to override the existing function?18:22
mr_scienceyes, that's what i was going to say...18:22
mr_sciencejust replace the fucntion rather than _append to it18:23
rburtonftonello: specifically, DISTRO_FEATURES defaults to "zeroconf", so packagegroup-base will depend on libnss-mdns -> avahi.18:23
rburtonftonello: if you don't want any zeroconf support, drop that from your distro18:24
rburton(yes, this needs to be better expressed in depexp)18:24
rburtonin this case, chasing the deps through "git grep" works18:24
rburtonlibnss-mdns -> avahi -> packagegroup-base -> adds deps on DISTRO_FEATURE18:25
ftonellorburton: hmm18:25
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kergothmr_science: add dbg-pkgs to IMAGE_FEATURES if you want the debug symbols on the target18:26
ftonellorburton: how do I chase deps using git grep?18:26
ftonellorburton: also, how do I remove this from my DISTRO_FEATURES? because my distro features I use  += operator18:26
rburtonftonello: you'll have to set it outright18:26
rburtonuse bitbake -e to get the full current value18:27
ftonellorburton: yeah18:27
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adam__mr_science: cool i am replacing the functions entirely. Thanks!18:33
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adam__Good afternoon everyone, I'd like to add a user for my desktop image. Should I create a recipe that uses adduser or is there a class that handles this in OE/Yocto?20:22
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bluelightningadam__: so atm the only way is to use a separate recipe; however patches are in review to allow adding a user outside of recipes for the kind of purpose you're presumably needing it for20:29
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adam__bluelightning: ahh great thanks!20:31
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mr_sciencebluelightning: as in create a non-root user with a known password?20:44
b1gtunamr_science: i hope so?20:50
bluelightningmr_science: b1gtuna: correct20:53
mr_sciencei currently have that hacked into my custom_rootfs_postprocess20:54
mr_sciencewould be much nicer with real bbclass support...20:54
mr_sciencei should go look at those patches...20:55
b1gtunamr_science: do you mind sharing it with me? I can't login through GDM at the moment haha20:55
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mr_sciencebigtuna: something like this => http://paste2.org/cEy60fh521:00
mr_sciencewhere <uname> is the name of your user account21:01
mr_scienceyou'll also need to hash the password and replace <hashed-passwd>21:01
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mr_scienceer,, b1gtuna ...21:02
b1gtunamr_science: nice21:03
sgw_mr_science: why could you not use the useradd class for this?21:03
mr_sciencethat's inside a "fakeroot custom_rootfs_postprocess() {}" function in my image recipe21:04
mr_scienceit's oe-classic21:04
mr_sciencedon't think arago has that21:04
sgw_mr_science: I think only maybe the sudoer's file would be an issue.  Ah oe-classic, not oe-core.21:04
mr_scienceyup, in my rpi build i would definitely use it...21:05
* mr_science makes a mental note to add a non-root user to the rpi build21:05
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b1gtunabluelightning: Can you point me to the patch set that adds user creation?21:48
b1gtunabluelightning: thanks21:48
bluelightningb1gtuna: sure one sec21:48
b1gtunabluelightning: :)21:48
bluelightningb1gtuna: http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2013-July/081320.html21:50
bluelightningb1gtuna: there's still some feedback on it though so it may need further work21:50
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b1gtunabluelightning: Ah I see. This will be really nice once it's completed. It's a little pain configuring users manually21:53
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mr_scienceyeah, the image hack is exactly that .  a hack...21:54
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b1gtunamr_science: btw are you using systemd on your images?21:55
mr_sciencenot currently22:01
mr_sciencedon't think it's in arago (oe-classic) and i specifically made my rpi image "light" so i don't have systemd in any features22:02
mr_sciencejust old-school init scripts and update-rc.d22:02
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b1gtunamr_science: cool thanks22:07
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mr_scienceit's all on github if you really want to see it...22:10
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lpapp_hmm, is hob stable?22:29
lpapp_it freezes for me when selecting the architecture.22:29
lpapp_oh, it just takes long time to parse the corresponding recipes.22:29
ant_homelpapp: atm I found an issue with hob, it is creating its own TMPDIR22:30
ant_homeseems the bug is aknowledged22:30
lpapp_the ui does not seem that complex.22:31
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b1gtunamr_science: thanks i will take a look22:40
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lpapp_any reason why hob does not have its own repository?22:48
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bluelightninglpapp_: its code is heavily tied to the interface of bitbake22:48
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lpapp_bluelightning: means?22:53
bluelightninglpapp_: meaning, when bitbake's internals change hob needs to be updated to match, and during development this happens frequently22:54
lpapp_bluelightning: I am still not sure how that limits the repository separation.22:55
bluelightninglpapp_: it's a lot easier for users grabbing the hob code to get something that correctly matches up if bitbake and hob are in the same repo22:55
lpapp_bluelightning: why ?22:55
lpapp_btw, users should use releases?22:55
bluelightninglpapp_: a lot of users track master22:56
bluelightningmore than in other projects22:56
lpapp_is that really the majority?22:56
lpapp_usually, it is the very minor portion in projects, really.22:56
bluelightningit's a significant percentage, I don't have numbers22:56
lpapp_but even then, they are on their own.22:56
lpapp_if it is documented what to fetch, it is probably not a big deal.22:56
lpapp_or with git submodules.22:56
lpapp_as a user, I think, it would actually make it clearer to use with proper separation.22:57
ant_homewrt master, we have been rarely left with broken bitabke and that couple of times it was on weekend ;)22:58
lpapp_I am not sure why unmodularization is thought as simpler rather than more complex.22:59
bluelightningwe've never provided a stable interface for UIs, and we do not wish to do so23:00
bluelightningsplitting out the UIs will just bring demands for that stable interface23:00
lpapp_well, I would like to write a Qt/QML ui, but that kinda scares me. :)23:00
lpapp_bluelightning: why?23:00
lpapp_it should be an internal detail for ui releases.23:00
lpapp_provided, users do not upgrade bitbake.23:01
lpapp_just together with the ui23:01
bluelightninglpapp_: cf the Linux kernel's internal interfaces, which are similarly guaranteed not to be stable23:01
lpapp_IMO, this repository separation is irrelevant to stability.23:01
lpapp_it would just help developers to have a clear separation.23:02
lpapp_and those who wanna work with both, they can fetch both submodules with git, then.23:03
kergoth`I'd be in favor of a proper UI API which would make it easier to create separate projects with separate executable bitbake interfaces, personally, but we've historically not done a good job of maintaining bitbake's APIs and API versioning23:05
lpapp_I do not see what a UI api would mean or help with, in here.23:06
lpapp_bluelightning: so what is the recommended way of creating a qbitbake frontend?23:06
bluelightninglpapp_: as far as I'm concerned, there should be nothing stopping you from doing so; just use how hob works as an example23:07
lpapp_bluelightning: meaning, putting stuff into the poky repository?23:08
bluelightninglpapp_: well, that's the pattern we've been following up to now with UIs23:09
bluelightninglpapp_: to be precise, the bitbake repository (poky just copies bitbake in almost verbatim)23:09
lpapp_bluelightning: http://cgit.openembedded.org/bitbake/ this one or berlios?23:11
bluelightninglpapp_: the one on openembedded.org23:12
lpapp_berlios was closed if I recall correctly.23:12
lpapp_bluelightning: hmm, I need to call python API from C++...23:13
lpapp_or just calling the executable directly with the relevant options.23:14
lpapp_from QML, to be precise, but I likely need some C++ helper.23:14
* bluelightning needs sleep... goodnight all23:18
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ftonelloIf I change an RDEPEND of a package.. do I have to do bitbake -c cleansstate and rebuild it in order that an image that installs that package installs with the correct REPENDS?23:56
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