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| bluelightning | morning all | 10:19 |
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| akatkinson | evening here - bye :-) | 10:25 |
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| melonipoika | morning | 10:27 |
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| Stygia | Morning. | 10:39 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, BTW, I have your email, and I'll be looking at the issues you point out through this week. | 10:39 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: ok, cool | 10:40 |
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| Stygia | bluelightning, Sorry for being so slow with this whole thing, I'm too busy for my own good lately. | 10:57 |
| Stygia | Startups... | 10:57 |
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| bluelightning | Stygia: it's ok, we'll get there | 10:57 |
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| Stygia | bluelightning, Yup, I know, but still, I sort of hope nobody's wasting time writing perl recipes when they already exist. | 11:03 |
| Stygia | I hope, at least, if someone comes here or on #oe asking about perl recipes, you'll refer them to me, maybe the recipes aren't 100% QA yet, but they work, mostly. | 11:03 |
| bluelightning | Stygia: I have been, yes | 11:04 |
| Stygia | bluelightning, Good. | 11:04 |
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| Stygia | bluelightning, I'd rather not waste other people's time if I can help it. | 11:04 |
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| Stygia | Hey. | 13:39 |
| Stygia | Anyone know where I can find the setting for UTC? w.r.t time and timezones, on fedora it would be /etc/sysconfig/clock | 13:40 |
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| chocis | hi, could anyone help me with little misunderstanding? | 14:42 |
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| chocis | I don't really understand the meaning of LICENSE field, if in the end LIC_FILES_CHKSUM is used anyway? | 14:43 |
| chocis | What would be the benefit of creating my own custom license, adding it LICENSE_PATH > | 14:44 |
| chocis | What would be the benefit of creating my own custom license, adding it LICENSE_PATH ? | 14:44 |
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| rburton | chocis: LICENSE is a statement of what the licenses are | 14:57 |
| rburton | chocis: the checksum is exactly that, a checksum | 14:57 |
| rburton | if the license checksum changes you have to verify the licenses again | 14:57 |
| BCMM | rburton: it's so you can detect if upstream changes the license included in their source file, right? | 14:57 |
| rburton | yes | 14:58 |
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| kergoth | And you really never want to create a custom license, when starting a new project. There's always an existing one that will do, and which won't increase license proliferation/confusion :) | 15:02 |
| * kergoth yawns | 15:02 | |
| chocis | We are already working for a while with our custom board and layers and then I saw the LICENSE_PATH variable, so I thought that it could be used for general license file, so I wouldn't need it in our software recipes. | 15:05 |
| chocis | but I think I've got the meaning of the extra license folder. I can create a license for my company and refer to it in all our recipes (with our software). If later building images someone doesn't want to use our license he can exclude it in .conf file | 15:06 |
| rburton | LICENSE_PATH is where canonical copies of the license text go for producing release manifests | 15:06 |
| chocis | then there will e an error | 15:06 |
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| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #318 of nightly is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org:8011/builders/nightly/builds/318 | 15:23 | |
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| Stygia | chocis, On a closed system / controlled by you? | 15:38 |
| Stygia | chocis, If it's closed you can just set the license to CLOSED | 15:38 |
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| Stygia | chocis, On a FOSS recipe, you have LIC_FILES_CHKSUM, to ensure that the file has not changed (i.e. the license could have changed), and the LICENSE field to tell you which license you have - using the LIC_FILES_CHKSUM field to prove it hasn't changed since. | 15:39 |
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| kergoth | Hmm, anyone know offhand if we can use lookahead and lookbehind assertions in MIRRORS/PREMIRRORS? I'm thinking it should be doable given its still just python re under teh hood | 16:17 |
| * kergoth gets caffeine | 16:17 | |
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| scottrif | halstead: ping | 17:22 |
| halstead | Hi scottrif. Good morning. | 17:22 |
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| scottrif | halstead: morning...I suddenly have errors when trying to send an email out of my Mozilla Thunderbird account. It is saying "An error occurred sending mail: Unable to establish a secure link with SMTP server linux.intel.com using STARTTLS since it doesn't advertise that feature. Switch off STARTTLS for that server or contact your service provider" Any ideas? | 17:24 |
| scottrif | halstead: yes - I am connected | 17:25 |
| scottrif | halstead: I did try shutting down Thunderbird and restarting that | 17:25 |
| scottrif | halstead: ok | 17:26 |
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| LetoThe2nd | howdy! i've got a sdk generated and the fitting qemu instance started. eclipses adt plugin is correctly setup, bu i kind of fail to find the way to use the tcf remote debugging. is this documented somewhere? | 19:43 |
| Stygia | I don't' know how much this'll help. | 19:45 |
| Stygia | https://lists.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/yocto/2011-March/003426.html | 19:45 |
| Stygia | https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/adt-manual/adt-manual.html | 19:45 |
| LetoThe2nd | thanks | 19:46 |
| LetoThe2nd | i actually managed to progress a bit - i used the .launch file and set up a new remote connection for it | 19:46 |
| LetoThe2nd | look like thats the way | 19:47 |
| LetoThe2nd | always the same. you tinker around for a couple of hours, and when you finally bother someone, things fall into place. | 19:48 |
| LetoThe2nd | Stygia: but thanks a lot nevertheless! | 19:49 |
| Stygia | LetoThe2nd, No worries. | 19:49 |
| Stygia | LetoThe2nd, Good luck with it! | 19:49 |
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| WarheadsSE | Anyone here that deals with the buildbot implementation used with Yocto ? | 20:04 |
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| rburton | WarheadsSE: pidge, but she's not here | 20:11 |
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| WarheadsSE | K | 20:12 |
| WarheadsSE | Looking at doing something inhouse for our bsp | 20:12 |
| WarheadsSE | I've got one guy jumping about jenkins, see that Yocto itself is using Buildbot | 20:13 |
| * WarheadsSE will hunt pidge down later | 20:13 | |
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| rburton | WarheadsSE: she's in the UK right now, so just went home about half an hour ago | 20:13 |
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| WarheadsSE | k | 20:14 |
| rburton | WarheadsSE: i've gone from checking it out to having a custom builder running this afternoon | 20:14 |
| rburton | so i can endorse yocto-autobuilder | 20:14 |
| WarheadsSE | We'd needa full stack in house, and I have no doubt that it's capable | 20:14 |
| WarheadsSE | I've got a full cluster of master/slave/slave/ircd sitting in lxc atm | 20:15 |
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| WarheadsSE | but that is just the stock buildbot sources & configuration | 20:16 |
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| BCMM | i can't seem to load | 22:21 |
| BCMM | sorry, pressed enter too early. i can't seem to load nameservers from /etc/network/interfaces. i have a dns-nameservers stanza, but nothing gets written to /etc/resolve.conf | 22:22 |
| BCMM | running ifdown/ifup manually after boot does nothing either | 22:22 |
| BCMM | any idea how to fix this? i'd rather not create resolv.conf manually, as i'm trying to keep all network configuration in one place | 22:23 |
| kergoth | BCMM: i'd suggest installing resolvconf, which manages resolv.conf for you, and then use its ifup hook, which provides dns-domain, dns-search, and dns-nameservers directives for interfaces | 22:25 |
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| kergoth | BCMM_: i'd suggest installing resolvconf, which manages resolv.conf for you, and then use its ifup hook, which provides dns-domain, dns-search, and dns-nameservers directives for interfaces | 22:25 |
| BCMM | heh, sorry, was just about to move do another machine | 22:25 |
| BCMM | kergoth: so ifup doesn't do DNS settings on its own? that's a resolvconf feature? | 22:26 |
| kergoth | afaik stock interfaces / ifupdown doesn't provide it | 22:26 |
| kergoth | at least, the ubuntu man page on interfaces doens't mention anything about dns at all | 22:26 |
| * kergoth shrugs | 22:26 | |
| kergoth | its fundamentally a debian thing that we pull in | 22:26 |
| BCMM | kergoth: what is? the ifup/ifdown system? | 22:27 |
| kergoth | yep | 22:27 |
| BCMM | and thanks! i'd assumed all /etc/network/interfaces stuff was done directly by ifup | 22:27 |
| kergoth | the oe/yocto distros started as being debian based | 22:27 |
| kergoth | it is, but ifupdown is software that comes from debian ;) | 22:27 |
| kergoth | though i think busybox provides a mini implementation | 22:27 |
| BCMM | kergoth: i mean the resolvconf stuff | 22:27 |
| kergoth | not sure on that though | 22:27 |
| kergoth | ifupdown is extensible. software can add hooks to add support for new interfaces directives | 22:28 |
| kergoth | e.g. wpa-supplicant provides wireless config via interfaces | 22:28 |
| kergoth | see /etc/network/if-*.d/ | 22:28 |
| * kergoth is getting rusty, spending too much time in buildsystems land and not enough dealing with the distros on the target | 22:29 | |
| BCMM | kergoth: thanks, it's starting to make sense now | 22:29 |
| BCMM | i'm basically a debian noob you see... | 22:29 |
| * kergoth nods | 22:29 | |
| kergoth | np | 22:29 |
| BCMM | so basically, i should use resolvconf, and set up resolvconf to get its information from /etc/network/interfaces? | 22:30 |
| kergoth | well, its ifupdown that calls resolvconf, so more the other way around | 22:30 |
| kergoth | but basically yes :) | 22:30 |
| kergoth | resolvconf does provide the hook that ifupdown calls to run resolvconf, though ;) | 22:30 |
| BCMM | oh i think i get it, resolvconf includes a hook in ifupdown, such that ifup will send DNS information to resolvconf? | 22:32 |
| kergoth | resolvconf is nice because it lets you assemble resolv.conf from multiple pieces, so it lets things like dhcp clients add their dynamic pieces without blowing away user local customizations like search directives | 22:32 |
| kergoth | iirc, anyway | 22:32 |
| kergoth | yes, precisely | 22:32 |
| kergoth | when you call ifup, ifup calls all the if-up.d hooks with env vars set based on the content of /etc/network/interfaces, which then use that to do stuff | 22:32 |
| BCMM | and the resolvconf recipe will install that hook for me? i don't need to edit some config file somewhere? | 22:32 |
| kergoth | it should. if it doesn't, it's a bug in the recipe | 22:33 |
| kergoth | cat /etc/network/if-up.d/000resolvconf |grep /resolvconf | 22:33 |
| kergoth | [ -x /sbin/resolvconf ] || exit 0 | 22:33 |
| kergoth | echo -n "$R" | /sbin/resolvconf -a "${IFACE}.${ADDRFAM}" | 22:33 |
| BCMM | kergoth: thanks a lot! | 22:33 |
| kergoth | np | 22:33 |
| kergoth | basically install it, and add dns-nameservers to interfaces, and that *should* be sufficient, afaik | 22:33 |
| kergoth | in theory :) | 22:33 |
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| mranostay | wb hollisb | 23:16 |
| hollisb | thanks mranostay :-) | 23:16 |
| hollisb | mranostay: enjoying the weather? | 23:16 |
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| mranostay | hollisb: as long as it isn't raining i don't mind :) | 23:28 |
| hollisb | good Ingress conditions :-) | 23:29 |
| mranostay | i'm sure this state will the second longest one i've lived in :P | 23:31 |
| mranostay | hollisb: you live in PDX or in one of the burbs? | 23:32 |
| BCMM | kergoth: any idea why resolvconf pulls in bash? it seems to be written in #!/bin/sh | 23:33 |
| kergoth | not offhand, no, sorry to say | 23:36 |
| kergoth | that does sound questionable, unless it has implicit bash dependnecies, in which case its schebang should be fixed | 23:36 |
| kergoth | i'd say try getting rid of it and see if it explodes :) | 23:36 |
| kergoth | alternatively, check the git history for rthe original reasoning | 23:37 |
| kergoth | see e.g. git blame for the line that adds the dep | 23:37 |
| BCMM | kergoth: ah, found a debian bug saying that it's | 23:39 |
| BCMM | sorry, pressed enter... /etc/resolvconf/update.d/bind rather than the main script, and a long arguement as to whether it should use bashisms... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=555735 | 23:40 |
| BCMM | and that file doesn't even seem to be installed by the recipe... so tomorrow i'll do the "see if it explodes" option | 23:42 |
| kergoth | good luck :) | 23:43 |
| kergoth | I'm sure folks woudl appreciate one less recipe sucking in bash, so that'd be good to go upstream | 23:43 |
| BCMM | gah, i still have to learn some git to work out how to actually upstream stuff... | 23:44 |
| BCMM | (i already have some modifications for the mpd recipe which probably belong upstream) | 23:44 |
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| BCMM | um, how do i get the commit message out of git blame? | 23:48 |
| kergoth | git show <commit hash> | 23:48 |
| kergoth | git blame lists the commits in the left column | 23:49 |
| kergoth | see also http://www.git-scm.com/book | 23:49 |
| mranostay | kergoth: git blame is my favorite command :) | 23:50 |
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| BCMM | kergoth: thanks, unfortunately it's "RDEPENDS, RRECOMMENDS -> RDPEPENDS_${PN}, RRECOMMENDS_${PN}"; i.e. a mass change of syntax in loads of files, and now i need to know why the line that *used* to be there was put in... | 23:52 |
| BCMM | before i mess with the recipe i'm going to manually delete /bin/bash and see what breaks... | 23:52 |
| BCMM | thing is, if nothing does explode, i won't know if that is jsut cause i don't use the feature that should have exploded... | 23:53 |
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