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| nerdboy | okay, what's up with autoconf-native? | 01:57 |
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| nerdboy | trying to copy a non-existent directory all of a sudden... | 01:58 |
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| SnookEE | nerdboy: need more detail than that... | 02:01 |
| Fumon | Hi there. I'm a potential intern from the opw program. Is there anyone who could help me get a better grasp on the yocto project? | 02:02 |
| Fumon | I have embedded experience with openWRT and I was wondering how the development process compares. | 02:05 |
| SnookEE | Not sure about openWRT, what exactly are you trying to do? | 02:08 |
| Fumon | Oh! Well the OPW is the Outreach Program for Women put on by the GNOME organization. They're sponsoring an internship to get more women into the FOSS community and the Yocto project just joined yesterday. | 02:09 |
| Fumon | The yocto application was the least well described of the organizations who joined and I'm wondering if I should put it in my application. | 02:10 |
| nerdboy | SnookEE: i just noticed that my pull on master this morning had a conflict | 02:10 |
| Fumon | Well, the internship responsibilities and projects. | 02:10 |
| nerdboy | so maybe it's fixed already | 02:11 |
| SnookEE | nerboy: Yeah makes sense... | 02:11 |
| nerdboy | autoreconf failed on libxfce4ui with a ".../aclocal-copy: No such file or directory" | 02:12 |
| SnookEE | Fumon: Yocto is essentially a method of building en entire embedded linux enviroment | 02:12 |
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| SnookEE | it has this notion of "layers" which are collections of "recipes" | 02:12 |
| SnookEE | and the recipes can do things like build a particular library or application | 02:12 |
| SnookEE | like php is a recipe in the meta-openembedded layer | 02:12 |
| nerdboy | seen a few autotools fails in my day, but that one is new... | 02:13 |
| SnookEE | so if i want to bring up a new embedded linux system, i'll reuse or write recipes for the kernel, the boot mechanism, and the utilities and libraries i need | 02:13 |
| SnookEE | and it makes a nice way of getting that all packaged up and into one coherent deliverable | 02:13 |
| nerdboy | so what's the process for getting a layer into the layer index? | 02:13 |
| SnookEE | its a wonder autotools ever works | 02:14 |
| nerdboy | hay, it's actually less annoying than the alternives | 02:14 |
| * nerdboy talks from 11 years of maintaining gentoo packages | 02:14 | |
| SnookEE | Yeah its one of those "just use it and be quiet" things | 02:15 |
| SnookEE | i'm not sure what you have to do to get a layer into the inde | 02:15 |
| Fumon | Oh, okay. It sounds a lot more organized when it comes to platform support. | 02:15 |
| nerdboy | i really don't like cmake/scons/crap much at all... | 02:15 |
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| SnookEE | but there are so many right now, are you sure your stuff needs to be its own layer? | 02:15 |
| nerdboy | lots of new/modified recipes | 02:15 |
| nerdboy | seems to fill a niche that was mostly empty | 02:16 |
| nerdboy | since i don't like the sato desktop thing much either | 02:16 |
| nerdboy | i haven't looked through all the third-party layers in detail, but the core stuff didn't have anything between sato and bloat | 02:17 |
| SnookEE | I just spent three days rewriting someones make system | 02:17 |
| SnookEE | ah i see what you are saying | 02:17 |
| nerdboy | as a nice light desktop image | 02:18 |
| SnookEE | it seems like that layers page has alot of random stuff on it | 02:18 |
| SnookEE | meta-chicken | 02:18 |
| SnookEE | lol | 02:19 |
| SnookEE | so | 02:19 |
| SnookEE | http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/submit/ | 02:19 |
| SnookEE | theres a nice big SUBMIT button on that page | 02:19 |
| Fumon | Oh wow, wish I had found the layers listing a year ago when I was doing this stuff for work :P | 02:21 |
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| calypso | has anyone experience problems launching hob? I'm running ubuntu-srv 12.10 I have python3.3 libgtk2.0-dev and python-gobject installed (thought these were the dependencies) getting error : FATAL: Gtk+, PyGtk and PyGobject are required to use Hob (No module named gtk). | 02:25 |
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| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #87 of minnow is complete: Failure [failed BuildImages Publishing Artifacts] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org:8011/builders/minnow/builds/87 | 06:58 | |
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| ramose | how to i provide library option -lrt while doing bitbake | 06:59 |
| ramose | I am trying to do bitbake helloworld -fC compile -lrt | 07:00 |
| ramose | but getting helloworld.c:(.text+0x1c): undefined reference to `shm_open' | 07:00 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 08:42 |
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| lpapp | hi, is the yocto core image supposed to have the correct date on the board even if it is flashed much later than when it was created? | 12:08 |
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| lpapp | it seems that the date gets stuck whenever the image was created. | 12:19 |
| lpapp | so the logs on my system can be misleading... | 12:19 |
| lpapp | is there a way to fix it? | 12:19 |
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| lpapp | (without running ntp) | 12:20 |
| rburton | lpapp: if the time is being reset to the time in the stamp then your rtc is wrong | 12:20 |
| rburton | because its using the timestamp as a lower-bound | 12:20 |
| rburton | (as obviously the current time can't be before the image creation time) | 12:20 |
| rburton | here is where i endorse connman, as you can get it to do ntp when it discovers a connection | 12:21 |
| lpapp | our devices are not meant to be connected to the internet... | 12:21 |
| lpapp | so there must be a better option than syncing up with the internet... | 12:22 |
| lpapp | I will take a look at the real-time clock, thanks. | 12:22 |
| lpapp | (that should work if the hardware works, right?) | 12:22 |
| rburton | you'll need to set it once, obviously, but yes | 12:22 |
| rburton | if the hardware works you should be fine | 12:22 |
| lpapp | cannot Yocto be configure to do it automatically? | 12:23 |
| lpapp | on first boot for instance? Or the init system underneath does not support it? | 12:23 |
| lpapp | oh, but it would not know the real-time. | 12:24 |
| rburton | yeah. you could set the rtc at assembly time and include a battery to keep the clock running. | 12:25 |
| lpapp | I wonder how other vendors handle this question when using Yocto. I guess this is somehow built into the workflow. | 12:25 |
| rburton | its orthogonal to yocto really - it's a general "how do i set the time on my product" thing | 12:25 |
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| rburton | if you're expected to have networking its trivial, if no networking but you also need an accurate clock them less easy | 12:26 |
| LetoThe2nd | yeah. its just a question of deploying software + defaults on the devices in manufacturing | 12:26 |
| LetoThe2nd | you could even set the rtc through direct i2c injection in some automated programming environment or such | 12:26 |
| LetoThe2nd | (if its an i2c rtc of course) | 12:28 |
| lpapp | rburton: I think the best will be to sync up the target with the flashing machine. | 12:28 |
| rburton | lpapp: yeah, flash the image and program the clock at the same time | 12:28 |
| otavio_ | ERROR: debugedit failed with exit code 256 (cmd was '/home/jenkins/workspace/fsl-community-bsp-master/build/tmp/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/lib/rpm/bin/debugedit' -b '/home/jenkins/workspace/fsl-community-bsp-master/build/tmp/work/imx23evk-poky-linux-gnueabi' -d '/usr/src/debug' -i -l '/home/jenkins/workspace/fsl-community-bsp-master/build/tmp/work/imx23evk-poky-linux-gnueabi/perf/1.0-r8/debugsources.list' '/home/jenkins/workspace/fsl-community-bsp-ma | 12:29 |
| otavio_ | is ths known? | 12:29 |
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| LetoThe2nd | .. will only get you somewhere if you can ensure constant buffering the rtc's power rails from the point of programming | 12:29 |
| lpapp | rburton: yes, in the same manufacturing workflow, but it needs to be hidden for the manufacturing. | 12:29 |
| lpapp | so once the image is flashed over u-boot, and it is booted, we need to get a tool doing this over ssh. | 12:30 |
| LetoThe2nd | some people need their backup batteries disconnected until final installation or such. | 12:30 |
| lpapp | rburton: the best would be to do it at u-boot time when the kernel is also flashed, but that is yeah... not a yocto question. | 12:31 |
| lpapp | that way, I could avoid waiting for the system to launch... | 12:31 |
| lpapp | but I am not sure if u-boot supports it. | 12:32 |
| lpapp | ah, there is a date command in u-boot! | 12:33 |
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| lpapp | rburton: I used date xxx and then hwclock -w, then I checked with hwclock -r that it returns what I set up... but after a reboot, I am still getting the fallback provided by Yocto. :/ | 13:03 |
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| lpapp | what am I doing wrong? | 13:03 |
| rburton | honestly its been years since i looked at this bit of the boot. what does hwclock -r say after a reboot? | 13:04 |
| lpapp | sorry, I used the linux kernel for it | 13:04 |
| lpapp | so I skipped u-boot... | 13:04 |
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| lpapp | oh, it worked for the second time, second reboot, interesting. :-) | 13:06 |
| lpapp | might well be a kernel bug or something. | 13:06 |
| rburton | considering the amount of use that the hwclock gets (every power cycle for example) i'd be surprised if it just broke and nobody noticed | 13:07 |
| lpapp | you would think that, yes. :) | 13:07 |
| lpapp | let me reflash and see if I can reproduce it. | 13:09 |
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| lpapp | rburton: it is interesting that ntp is not in oe-core, but meta-networking. | 13:59 |
| lpapp | I would have thought it is an essential feature for the majority. | 13:59 |
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| sce | hello i would like to disable webkit module from qt4_x11_free, so i put -no-webkit in QT_WEBKIT var... So i can see that this flag is given to the configure args but webkit is still built. Indeed QT_CONFIG contains webkit | 14:22 |
| sce | does someone succeeds to disable webkit build in QT4.8.5 in yocto ? | 14:22 |
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| sce | it seems that qt is taking my local conf but i dont know why | 14:28 |
| ionte | hi. i've created a custom image recipe now that inherits image.bbclass (not core-image.bbclass, until i fully understand what image.bbclass does). IMAGE_INSTALL is "packagegroup-core-boot". | 14:38 |
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| lpapp | sce: what is your local.conf? | 14:40 |
| sce | lpapp, what do you mean ? | 14:40 |
| lpapp | sce: share more information about your issue if you are still looking for help. :) | 14:40 |
| lpapp | ionte: ok, do you have a question? | 14:40 |
| ionte | this builds, but when i try to boot the image using "runqemu qemux86" it complains that: Couldn't find a qemux86 rootfs image in ... | 14:40 |
| ionte | i can't see any obvious difference between my minimal image recipe and core-image-minimal for example | 14:41 |
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| sce | lpapp, here it is http://pastebin.com/V5TFgq1k :) | 14:42 |
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| sce | lpapp, it seems that the build takes some local information (/usr/share) to get the qt features | 14:44 |
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| ionte | any ideas what i'm doing wrong? what is the name of the image file used by runqemu and how do i generate it? | 14:44 |
| ionte | MACHINE is qemux86 btw... | 14:44 |
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| sce | lpapp, i'm having in /usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/modules/ a file named qt_webkit_version.pri | 14:52 |
| sce | if i rename this file to another name webkit is not in my QT_CONFIG | 14:52 |
| sce | so it seems that qt build in yocto is not independent from the system | 14:52 |
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| lpapp|web | http://cgit.openembedded.org/meta-openembedded/tree/meta-networking/recipes-support/ntp/ntp.inc#n77 | 14:55 |
| lpapp|web | so why does ntp depend on tickadj which should not be used on Linux? | 14:55 |
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| ionte | got qemu working by specifying the full path to kernel and ext3 image files | 14:57 |
| sce | why dont we use sysroot in qt build ? | 14:58 |
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| sce | it seems that if i remove the package qtwebkit-dev from my ubunut | 15:18 |
| sce | webkit is correctly disabled | 15:18 |
| sce | but i dont understand why qmake looks for my QT machine information | 15:18 |
| rburton | it probably looks too hard for webkit and finds it on your host | 15:19 |
| rburton | tell jama | 15:19 |
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| bluelightning | rburton: sce is building qt4 so it's not specifically Martin | 15:29 |
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| kergoth | bluelightning: confirmed, fyi. ever since the change to how aclocal files are copied (based on dependencies), target m4 macros seem to more reliably be used in preference to native (which they should), but in a non-gplv3 build, gettext is 0.16 while gettext-naitve is 0.18, causing a 0.16 po.m4 to be used with our 0.18 po/Makefile.in.in files, causing at least some failed builds, including e2fsprogs. confirmed with just poky, current master | 15:44 |
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| kergoth | hmm, maybe we can leave the target gettext macros out of the sysroot entirely, since anyone inheriting gettext gets both native and target built, autotools.bbclass could then just use the native ones | 15:45 |
| kergoth | course that assumes there's no compatibility problems using build tools from one version and libgettext* from another :) | 15:45 |
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| bluelightning | kergoth: ok... I wonder why we didn't see this | 15:46 |
| bluelightning | kergoth: would you mind filing a bug for this issue? | 15:46 |
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| kergoth | yeah, will do | 15:48 |
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| rburton | bluelightning: a | 15:51 |
| rburton | bluelightning: ah, didn't notice qt4 | 15:51 |
| sce | rburton, i remember there is something to do with qt.conf | 15:52 |
| sce | which defines where qmake is looking for information | 15:53 |
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