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mckoangood morning07:20
alexVaduvagood morning to you too07:21
Nilesh_Hi,I'm trying to enable LVDS on wandboard solo .I'm using yocto with kernel 3.10.17. I've followed http://pastebin.com/bDvMiehZ  to make the device tree for ldb.  but the display seems to be not working can anyone please help07:26
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qknighthi. how to start with yocto? can i build an image for the raspberry pi for example?08:18
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maxinqknight: refer this: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-raspberrypi/tree/README08:21
maxinqknight: also this documentation: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/yocto-project-qs/yocto-project-qs.html08:21
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LetoThe2nd... especially the latter one, actually.08:23
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qknightmaxin, LetoThe2nd thanks!08:42
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stuartw_Hi all, updated Yocto Daisy from repository and now grub loads before showing "error: /initrd not found"  After continuing I'm finding that the kernel panics because of an invalid user config and can't find a valid rootfs! Does anyone know where about in the system I can set it to not load initrd?08:53
bluelightningmorning all08:54
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Nilesh_Hi,I'm trying to enable LVDS on wandboard solo .I'm using yocto with kernel 3.10.17. I've followed http://pastebin.com/bDvMiehZ  to make the device tree for ldb.  but the display seems to be not working can  anyone please see the steps and let me know whats wrong?09:17
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karoogaHi, I'm wanting to get the latest chromium into my yocto image for ARM.  I'd like to get an idea of effort I'd have to put in to do this - any ideas?10:13
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rburtonkarooga: add meta-browser, bitbake chromium10:17
rburton(then wait all day for it to compile)10:17
karoogarburton: I was using hob but didn't see chromium in the packages menu?10:19
rburtonyou need to download meta-browser, and add that layer10:21
karoogarburton: Sorry I'm still a bit of noob with yocto.  How do I download meta-browser?10:23
rburtonnot sure how to do it with hob.  you'd use git to clone it from https://github.com/OSSystems/meta-browser10:25
karoogarburton: It's doesn't have to be with hob.  It was just the only way I could see from the documentation how to find out the package list.10:30
karoogarburton:  Where in the  tree should I clone it into?  Just ./build ?10:30
rburtonfind . -name *.bb will list all recipes :)10:30
rburtonno, put it next to poky or whatever you cloned in the first place10:31
rburtonthen add the path to bblayer.conf10:31
bluelightningbblayers.conf, that is10:31
bluelightningHob does have a way to add a layer in as well once it's cloned somewhere on your machine10:31
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karoogaDoes it matter which image I run bitbake on?10:39
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frscI'm trying to include mplayer2 in an fsl-image-x11 target for freescale imx6 hardware. It needs libav_9 with I therefore built with putting PREFERRED_VERSION_libav = "9.10" in the local.conf. I can build mplayer2, but when it comes to creating the image it throws an error in do_rootfs: ls: cannot access /home/fs/fsl-3.10.31-alpha-bsp/x11/tmp/sysroots/mx6sexceet/pkgdata/runtime-reverse/libavcodec53: No such file or directory. Any ideas?10:40
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karoogabluelightning: So if I have bblayers.conf set up with chromium layer then bitbake -i core-image-minimal will handle all the dependencies even if minimal doesn't have all the xserver gui stuff?10:43
bluelightningkarooga: no, there's an additional step required to add chromium to your image, and even then it wouldn't start up X on boot unless you also add that in10:45
bluelightningfrsc: I guess that's a bug10:48
bluelightningfrsc: did you perhaps build a different version of libav first?10:48
karoogabluelightning: How do I add chromium to the image, once i've added the layer?10:49
karoogabluelightning:  Should i be using a specific target image? or is core-image-minimal sufficient?10:50
bluelightningkarooga: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#usingpoky-extend-customimage10:50
bluelightningkarooga: the simplest thing would be to start with an image that already contains X10:51
frscbluelightning: yes, I built libav_0.8.9 before.10:54
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bluelightningkarooga: perhaps core-image-x1110:56
karoogabluelightning: Sweet, ok I'll do that.  Think if I'm going to go through the process of building X then I may as well get my target platform (rpi) correct. :-)10:56
bluelightningfrsc: ok, so as a workaround I would suggest commenting out the PREFERRED_VERSION_libav line; then bitbake -c clean libav; then uncomment it again and continue10:56
karoogabluelightning: I don't see a core-image-x11?10:56
bluelightningkarooga: which version of the build system are you using?10:57
karoogadaisy for x86 linux.10:57
karooga64bit i mean10:58
Nilesh_ Hi,I'm trying to enable LVDS on wandboard solo .I'm using yocto with kernel 3.10.17. I've followed http://pastebin.com/bDvMiehZ  to make the device tree for ldb.  but the display seems to be not working can  anyone please see the steps and let me know whats wrong?11:00
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frscbluelightning: Thanks! I'll have a try!11:01
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bluelightningkarooga: hmm, that's strange then - core-image-x11 should be there...11:04
bluelightningNilesh_: if you don't get an answer here I'd suggest contacting the maintainer of the BSP you are using (or the mailing list specific to that BSP, if there is one)11:05
karoogabluelightning: I did pulled it off git two days ago so I don't think it's outdated. Seems git HEAD was all i needed for daisy.11:05
bluelightningright, and I'm pretty sure core-image-x11 has existed for a while11:05
Nilesh_bluelightning:yep sure...thanks :-)11:06
frscbluelightning: I tried cleaning libav as you said, but still get the same error in do_rootfs11:13
bluelightningfrsc: hmm, ok11:16
bluelightningfrsc: would you mind filing a bug at https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/ ?11:16
frscbluelightning: I will try one more thing and if it doesn't work I will file a bug.11:20
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frscbluelightning: bug filed at: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672912:10
yoctiBug 6729: normal, Undecided, ---, cristian.iorga, NEW , Integrating mplayer2 in fsl-image-x11 with libav_912:10
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* mcfrisk is wondering how many end users and developers yocto has, compared to say Debian & Ubuntu?12:27
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bluelightningmcfrisk: it's hard to get an exact count - lots of folks don't talk to us about what they're doing with our tools (and that's perfectly fine)12:32
bluelightningI think it's fair to say it's pretty widely used in the embedded Linux field by now though12:33
karoogaI'm getting an error saying not recipes for "/gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad_1.4.0.bbappend" however I've included "./meta-openembedded/meta-multimedia" and "meta-raspberrypi" layers so this doesn't make sense.12:33
bluelightningkarooga: if I had to guess I'd say you're using the master branch of one or more of those layers when you should probably be using daisy (assuming you're using the daisy release of poky)12:34
mcfriskbluelightning: in Debian each package has a named maintainer, then release and security teams etc, I guess such don't exists in yocto12:34
mcfriskand then enduser based testing also doesn't really happen in yocto, and test automation is I guess pretty basic as well.12:35
bluelightningmcfrisk: we have a maintainer for individual recipes in the core (see meta-yocto/conf/distro/include/maintainers.inc), and each layer outside of that has a maintainer (see http://layers.openembedded.org )12:36
bluelightningwe do have a dedicated QA team, and a number of organisations involved in the project also have their own QA teams that do regular testing12:36
mcfrisksecurity patch support too?12:37
bluelightningtest automation is only a couple of releases old to be fair but we do have it12:37
bluelightningsecurity patches are backported, but we do not have a dedicated security team, no12:38
karoogabluelightning: yip, you're correct, but the rpi layer doesn't seem to be in the daisy release.12:38
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mcfriskin docs I see qemu etc testing, are there details what tests are run and on which hw archs? Like running ltp tests on all supported platforms..12:39
bluelightningkarooga: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-raspberrypi/ has a daisy branch...12:40
bluelightningmcfrisk: in terms of what the base project tests, we test on the hardware reference platforms for the project - there is one per architecture12:40
bluelightningregular QA reports are sent out to our mailing list12:42
mcfriskI'm wondering where line-in-sand when to use Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora as base and add apps and possibly tune some parts like kernel, or when to use yocto12:42
bluelightningwell, it depends on what you are doing12:44
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bluelightningbut reproducibility and upgrades while preserving your customisations can be tricky with an off-the-shelf distro12:44
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mcfriskwell, I've seen them be hard with yocto too since people are touching everything without thinking of maintainability...12:45
bluelightningcan you be more specific?12:46
mcfriskwell, not really :) just inside some companies updating between yocto releases has shown how much changes are all over12:48
bluelightninggenerally, we do try to provide the means to keep your customisations separate - but of course if you just go ahead and modify recipes directly instead of using a custom layer with bbappends, then yes you will end up with something that is difficult to maintain12:48
bluelightningright, but there's not a lot we can do about that other than document best practices, which I think we do12:48
bluelightningwe're open to suggestions on how to improve, naturally12:49
mcfriskare there some details about the current testin setup?12:49
bluelightningok, so firstly here is one of our full-pass QA reports: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/WW36_-_2014-09-04_-_Full_Pass_-_1.7_M3.rc112:51
bluelightninghere's our test plan: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Yocto_1.7_Overall_Test_Plan12:51
mcfriskah, google just found the old 1.4 test plan12:52
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karoogabluelightning: thanks for your help.  I'm going to have to go through the docs and get a better understanding of how everything fits together.  Cheers13:01
bluelightningkarooga: no problem13:01
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mcfriskhmm, test run logs are open only for registered users? Or some specific user group? https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/tr_show_run.cgi?run_id=283213:03
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bluelightningmcfrisk: I think you probably just need an account which you can add yourself; that's probably a default quirk of testopia rather than a conscious decision we've made though13:12
mcfriskyep, added an account and access works.13:16
mcfriskSo the tests are running simple commands on target via serial/ssh like rpm -qa or 'gcc hello.c'13:17
mcfriskand no existing test suites like ltp13:18
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bluelightningwe do have ltp, Wind River runs it regularly and publishes the results: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/LTP_result13:20
mcfriskbtw, so I count yocto has 20 developers, or at least package maintainers: git grep MAINTAINER ./meta-yocto/conf/distro/include/maintainers.inc | egrep -o '".*"'| sort | uniq -c| wc -l13:21
mcfriskand that some developers are quite busy maintainin over 190 packages in yocto, or then support is really minimal :)13:22
bluelightningwe do get a lot of contributions from the wider community as well, so that's not really representative13:22
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mcfrisktrue, and there are other meta and bsp layers with different maintainers too.13:25
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mcfriskhow does svn module expect to find a tgz? downloading faild behind a proxy so I have a tar ball from svn co and I need to feed it somehow to bitbake.14:39
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k-swhy kmod builds are not being stripped even if there is no ptest in use?14:47
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frayis there a YPTM this week..14:59
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k-sto query if current package being built has FEATURE in PACKAGECONFIG, is bb.utils.contains("PACKAGECONFIG", "FEATURE", "XXXX", "YYYY", d)?15:02
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bluelightningk-s: correct yes15:04
* zeddii suspects that fray got his answer by the silence15:04
bluelightningI think we had one last week, which means no meeting this week15:04
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frayhah yup15:22
frayI didn't make last weeks meeting, so I couldn't remember if we had one or not.. :P15:22
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vignattiERROR: Index creation command '/home/tiago/yocto/poky/build/tmp/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/createrepo --update -q /home/tiago/yocto/poky/build/tmp/deploy/rpm/all' failed with return code 1:15:26
vignattierror: db_init:/home/tiago/yocto/poky/build/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/rpm-native/5.4.9-r63/rpm-5.4.9/rpmdb/db3.c:1087: dbenv->open(2): No such file or directory15:26
vignattierror: cannot open Packages(0) index: No such file or directory(2) DB: Berkeley DB 5.3.21: (May 11, 2012)15:26
vignattierror: cannot open Packages database in /home/tiago/yocto/poky/build/tmp/sysroots/x86_64-linux/var/lib/rpm15:26
vignattisorry the flood15:26
vignattibut does anyone seen this type of error?15:27
bluelightningno, but that is definitely a bug, it should never be trying to open an rpm db in that location15:28
bluelightningvignatti: which version of the build system are you using?15:28
vignattibluelightning: hmm.. build system/15:29
vignattiI'm running daisy just15:29
bluelightningok, could you please file a bug at http://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/ ?15:31
vignattibluelightning: well, sure15:31
vignattibluelightning: but we are building our own and custom build image15:31
vignattitmpsantos could get that image working in his environment, but I couldn't15:32
bluelightningunless you've modified createrepo, rpm or the code that calls them that should not matter15:32
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vignattibluelightning: previously I was building a different image for a different machine type and now I change this but I didn't manually clean the sstate caches and etc from build/15:42
vignattido you think this could interfere in my most recent build?15:42
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bluelightningvignatti: that should not cause an error like this, no15:46
vignattibluelightning: but then there was another difference also: before I was using Ubuntu 12.04 and now I'm on 14.0415:48
vignattiand as I said, I didn't clean my cache whatsoever15:48
bluelightningso, we do keep the native parts separate per host distro, so again that should not be a problem15:49
vignattifair enough15:50
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k-show to say "mount" is provided by busybox and util-linux-mount so when using systemd I can depend on "mount" and get one of those (both are being installed now, since systemd DEPENDS on util-linux-mount directly?)17:00
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wotteHi folks - is it possible to craft a bbappend such that it will only apply to the machine recipe, but not the native/nativesdk recipe?  (the recipe in question has bbclassextend="nativesdk")17:02
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bluelightningk-s: I seem to recall that systemd expects functionality that busybox's mount doesn't provide, but I may be wrong17:08
bluelightningwotte: depends, what does the bbappend do?17:09
k-sbluelightning: I want to test that :-)17:09
k-sbluelightning: that's why to choose one or another, so if user wants just the basic he could use busybox17:10
bluelightningk-s: then you'd just remove the dependency altogether, since busybox (and hence the mount symlink) will always be there by default17:10
k-sbluelightning: how to do it in .bb?17:10
wottebluelightning:  The recipe in question is the linux-libc-headers. (Yes, yes.  I read the warning.  Our kernel (and eglibc) is extensively modified and the headers need to be present in the SDK for users not leveraging Yocto).  I've got a bbappend that pulls headers from our repository, which works swimmingly so long as you're using a 3.x series kernel as the SDK host.  If you take the SDK and try to use it on an older distro (CentOS 6.5 and your 2.x17:14
wotte kernel, I'm looking at you) the tunctl provided by the SDK craps out because the "kernel is too old".  My hypothesis at this point is the kernel headers used to build nativesdk packages is to blame.17:14
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bluelightningwotte: ok, well I was thinking that for whatever variables you're setting in the bbappend, you'd just use _class-target overrides so that they only apply for the target17:18
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wotteAha.  I'll give that a shot. Thanks!17:18
bluelightningI'm wondering if whatever customisations you're applying are really the source of the issue here or not17:18
bluelightningI suspect that they won't be, but I guess you can only try...17:19
wotteI'm really not sure either.  At this point, I'm grasping at straws.17:19
wotteI've been banging my head against this on and off for the last couple months, and an end user that can only use RHEL 6.4 will be ready to use a release soon.17:20
bluelightningFWIW I build regularly on a CentOS machine, but I think I may not have ever tried running a tunctl binary from the SDK on it17:21
wotteI tried a vanilla SDK build on the CentOS machine and "tunctl -h" didn't freak out, so I suspect its something we're doing17:23
wotteI'm just not sure what17:23
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mcfriskwas versioned DEPENDS possible in yocto? trying have both gtest 1.6.0 and 1.7.0 in build dependencies..17:32
bluelightningif you want both to be built you will need to namespace them, so that the version actually becomes part of PN17:33
mcfriskwhat's the standard for that?17:33
mcfriskfor adding version number to the package name?17:34
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bluelightningit's not very common so I wouldn't say there is a standard, but for clutter we have done e.g. clutter-0.8 / clutter-1.017:34
bluelightningheading out, bbl17:35
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wotteRandom other question: Is it possible to have devshell launch not in pseudo/fakeroot?  Emacs and other stuff freaks out, so I've been doing echo $PATH > .path; /bin/su -p wotte; export PATH=`cat .path`, but I'd like to avoid that step.17:36
kergothwotte: export PSEUDO_UNLOAD=1 or so17:38
wottekergoth: Thanks, I'll give it a shot.17:38
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BenflemingCan someone help me with the Yocto ADT eclipse plugin?17:49
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postman|Hey all, I have what I'm sure is a basic yocto issue.  Bitbake is saying BBPATH and BBFILES aren't configured properly when building a stock freescale community image.  Here's the error with the environment variables printed at the end: http://pastebin.com/qPiJFBZU18:04
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postman|So far as I can tell those are set properly...18:07
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fishey1Is there a nice way to use buildbot (yocto-autobuilder or otherwise) to rebuild an ${AUTOREV}ed package if the package's source is updated?18:40
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postman|Resolved my issue from earlier, though now I have another question: is there an easy way to get Bitbake to use git or http wget rather than FTP when fetching files for a freescale community image?19:02
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k-sis there any clean way to uninstall shadow/shadow-securetty after image is ready? I don't ship package tools (rpm,opkg) with my image, so I don't need useradd et al in the final binary19:28
fishey1k-s: perhaps by not deploying them in the first place?19:30
k-sfishey1: things that "inherit useradd" get it, for instance systemd and dbus to set their required users19:30
fishey1k-s: and they need ones that run on the target system for some reason? (forgive my ignorance, haven't been using yocto too long)19:32
k-sno, that's why I want to remove it19:33
k-sfishey1: currently the useradd.bbclass generates post_inst/rm for you with useradd commands19:33
k-sfishey1: but in my case, there is no package management in the final image, so I don't need these tools19:34
k-sfishey1: actually for systemd if we use their sysusers.d one could avoid useradd and do that, see http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/sysusers.d.html but I'm still far from this point19:36
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rburtonk-s: try appending shadow etc to ROOTFS_BOOTSTRAP_INSTALL20:10
rburtonhang on, no, not that variable20:10
rburtonuse ROOTFS_PKGMANAGE_BOOTSTRAP_append = " shadow shadow-securetty"20:11
rburtonthat's a gross hack but might just work :)20:11
rburton(that variable is the list of packages that are essential to bootstrap package management, and will be removed if you don't want a package manager on the target20:11
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fishey1k-s: ah, I see. and it pulls them in so that it can remove the packages later >.> . rburton: doesn't sound like too much of a gross hack :)20:23
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k-srburton: who would be a good guy to talk about the systemd changes I'm doing?20:29
k-srburton: particularly we need to discuss using PACKAGECONFIG x split packages20:29
bluelightningk-s: probably rburton, by coincidence ;)20:29
k-sgreat :-)20:29
k-ssplit packages are more flexible, but the cost of making it right is too high20:30
k-sand I don't see the flexibility being used20:30
k-sie: install only systemd without tmpfiles, then install tmpfiles20:30
k-sOTOH if we just follow with PACKAGECONFIG, we leave it to systemd to fix in its own build, so *.service Wants/Requires= are right20:31
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k-sall in all I see people using systemd fully in non minimal builds, it adds a great deal of features in not that big space20:32
k-sbut if you compare with busybox, it shows as too big, but it is not that much20:32
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camaronutHello yocto folks!  If I add IMAGE_INSTALL += "kernel-dev", will the kernel headers show up on my target image?  If so, how do I remove them and have them only show up in the SDK?20:50
camaronuter, I should specify... into my image recipe20:51
camaronutRight now I don't have kernel-dev listed, and when I run bitbake -c populate_sdk image kernel headers don't show up.20:52
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k-srburton: comments about the systemd as per above?21:17
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WarheadsSEHey yoo .. dora, util-linux -- setterm ?21:22
WarheadsSECan't seem to see why it does not appear to be getting built.21:23
camaronutDangit... adding IMAGE_FEATURES += "dev-pkgs" doesn't help... still no kernel headers in the SDK21:27
camaronutUnless I need to re-build the image first, then do "-c populate_sdk"21:28
camaronutthat appeared to be a no-op... bitbake returned too quick.21:29
WarheadsSEand..... nvm setterm. It's just not split off.21:30
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rburtonk-s: probably best to send a mail to the list about this21:39
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