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| b00^wk | hello ! | 07:33 |
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| bluelightning | morning all | 07:48 |
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| b00^wk | hey, i have a small question | 08:12 |
| b00^wk | I'm starting to evaluate the Yocto project (Framework?) for our future development, | 08:12 |
| b00^wk | i have a question, before i dive into reading docs on the Yocto page: if i go Yocto, am I still able to create tiny linux systems as I want them, starting from nothing ? | 08:13 |
| LetoThe2nd | depends on "what you want" and what "start from nothing" means for you ;) | 08:14 |
| b00^wk | say my current process is something like this: make an fs image (squashfs, etc..), put a busybox on it, put kernel, put bootloader, add other tools, add possibly other 'main' system | 08:15 |
| b00^wk | that could be enough | 08:15 |
| LetoThe2nd | so if the question is: "can i build a sqaushfs image that contains busybox + some tools" then the answer is yes ;) | 08:16 |
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| b00^wk | LetoThe2nd, and select and configure my own kernel :) | 08:17 |
| LetoThe2nd | b00^wk: also that, yes. | 08:18 |
| b00^wk | LetoThe2nd, what will be my main benefit going Yocto ? upgradabiltity and maintainability of my system image? | 08:20 |
| LetoThe2nd | b00^wk: i'd say reproductibility, support for license evaluations, and you can enjoy a large existing pool of recipes. | 08:21 |
| b00^wk | LetoThe2nd, what is the pool of recipes ? Others coming up and sharing nice configurations ? | 08:22 |
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| LetoThe2nd | b00^wk: kind of, yes. a recipe is basically the compilation package | 09:20 |
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| LetoThe2nd | b00^wk: but be aware, that we're actually not talking about the yocto project, but about openembedded (which is the underlying build system technology) | 09:32 |
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| b00^wk | ok. i'm diving into some reading at yocto .. | 09:46 |
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| b00^wk | are Cortex'ses supported ? | 09:54 |
| b00^wk | for developers, says "access to great collection of ap developer tools ... Eclipse" Does it mean all tools and everything is tightly tied to Ecplise ? | 09:57 |
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| bluelightning | b00^wk: the only IDE we provide a plugin for is Eclipse, however we can produce an SDK which should be able to be plugged into any IDE (or used independently) | 09:59 |
| LetoThe2nd | b00^wk: cortex-a is supported relatively good. and the eclipse stuff is more like a can-use sauce on top. | 09:59 |
| bluelightning | right | 10:00 |
| b00^wk | great, so app developers should be able to easily plug sdk's into QtCreator for example ? | 10:01 |
| b00^wk | The approved app tool chain, does it include latest & greatest g++, with C++11 support ? | 10:01 |
| LetoThe2nd | the toolchain that you can provided is relatively recent, yes. | 10:02 |
| LetoThe2nd | don't have the exact version ready right now | 10:02 |
| b00^wk | also says "advanced kernel development tools" , are those something Yocto made ? | 10:03 |
| LetoThe2nd | instead of glacing over each marketing buzzword line, i'd actually encourage you to just give the quick start guide a try, and see for yourself | 10:03 |
| b00^wk | yes that would be best | 10:04 |
| LetoThe2nd | the kernel stuff is not a fancy gui or such, its more like some mechanisms to ease kernel configuration transitions between varying machines, projects and such. | 10:05 |
| LetoThe2nd | b00^wk: so for a first, jsut give the QS a go, and see in qemu. :) | 10:05 |
| b00^wk | QS ? | 10:05 |
| LetoThe2nd | QuickStart | 10:05 |
| * LetoThe2nd is off for lünch | 10:06 | |
| bluelightning | http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/yocto-project-qs/yocto-project-qs.html | 10:06 |
| b00^wk | yes, thank you | 10:06 |
| b00^wk | that envoronment pic looks great | 10:07 |
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| b00^wk | quick question: :P (while i'm downloading stuff ..) : how small a system can I make with Yocto ? | 10:48 |
| tmpsantos | b00^wk: if you build poky-tiny it can be really small | 10:52 |
| tmpsantos | I'm talking about less than 20 MB | 10:52 |
| b00^wk | i want upto say most 16MB overhead , which is OS & related. | 10:54 |
| b00^wk | (rest of my space for target specific purpose) | 10:54 |
| tmpsantos | b00^wk: I believe that is possible | 10:54 |
| tmpsantos | b00^wk: have a look at https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Poky-Tiny | 10:54 |
| tmpsantos | and | 10:55 |
| b00^wk | tmpsantos, ok | 10:55 |
| b00^wk | tmpsantos, but is 'tweaking' in principle possible here, without breaking how this framework works? | 10:55 |
| rburton | poky-tiny is nothing more than a tweaked distribution | 10:56 |
| tmpsantos | b00^wk: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/1.6/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#building-a-tiny-system | 10:56 |
| rburton | custom kernel, changed c library configuration, leaner busybox | 10:56 |
| rburton | et voila, 3MB rootfs | 10:56 |
| b00^wk | as in dumb example: i check something in outcome, and see , omg, this fat chunk i dont want. and I chuck it myself. will this break how the framework & build functions ? | 10:56 |
| b00^wk | yea, 3MB rootfs is nic | 10:56 |
| b00^wk | e | 10:56 |
| rburton | b00^wk: if you remove it properly - ie remove the reason why its in the image, then that's using the framework | 10:57 |
| tmpsantos | b00^wk: poky-tiny is around 5 MB actually | 10:57 |
| b00^wk | tmpsantos, wow, nice | 10:57 |
| tmpsantos | b00^wk: these docs are just amazing | 10:57 |
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| tmpsantos | b00^wk: it really explains you what is worth trimming | 10:57 |
| b00^wk | yea, im just downloading the images and that build appliance .. net is slow :/ | 10:57 |
| rburton | tiny is *very* limited, but its a demo of how to make a tiny system. you can add stuff that you need and remove stuff you don't | 10:57 |
| b00^wk | tmpsantos, yes, and hopefully does not take time. | 10:57 |
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| b00^wk | rburton, very limited is good. I rather go up then try to go downstripping | 10:58 |
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| tmpsantos | rburton: how do you flash the poky-tiny on a USB drive? because you don't get an hddimg as output... | 10:58 |
| rburton | you don't, if it doesn't give you a hddimg | 10:59 |
| rburton | that's probably because the hddimg boot sequence assumes its got more tools | 10:59 |
| rburton | it offers an install button, for example | 10:59 |
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| tmpsantos | hmm | 10:59 |
| b00^wk | i do want raw dd image :) | 11:00 |
| b00^wk | i hope they allow that ? :) | 11:00 |
| rburton | yes | 11:00 |
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| qknight | i've just tried to install gcc-multilib on 14.04 but it gives me 'unment dependencies' and now i can't use yocto but the yocto homepage they support 14.04 (do they mean they build 14.04 rather than building yocto targets on 14.04?) | 11:31 |
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| bluelightning | qknight: what do you mean exactly by "install gcc-multilib on 14.04" ? | 12:16 |
| bluelightning | do you mean apt-get install gcc-multilib? | 12:16 |
| pev | anyone seen any patch oddities where patches that create new files instead create files called dev/null? | 12:17 |
| pev | its a bit odd and from a patch I've pulled down from github - looks like some kind of path substitution issue | 12:17 |
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| bluelightning | pev: can't say I have - which host distro are you using? what version of patch does it provide? | 12:36 |
| pev | latest patch | 12:52 |
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| pev | looks like it might have been an originally malformed patch : http://git.freescale.com/git/cgit.cgi/imx/linux-2.6-imx.git/patch/?id=2045c45db978aeefbb7e437289227f75b05c664f | 12:53 |
| otavio | x11 fsl-image-machine-test@ls1021aqds (1/5) error: .../build-x11/tmp/deploy/rpm/all/run-postinsts-1.0-r9.all.rpm: Invalid SHA (expected 9bcdb5866effac2823b67e0e54f00b018d55d58f, got 23592f4ba5739cc55f0c69f78998a1ca6c0913ca) | 12:53 |
| otavio | is this known error? | 12:53 |
| pev | bluelightning: From looking at other patches using the a/ b/ format a/dev/null is wrong! | 12:54 |
| otavio | I got it in our builder | 12:54 |
| pev | Guessing its down to freescales server... | 12:55 |
| pev | otavio: have you manually SHA'd to see if the message is correct? | 12:56 |
| otavio | pev: what do you mean? | 12:59 |
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| pev | otavio: Have you manually calculated the sha for the package to check what the build system is reporting is correct? | 13:01 |
| pev | could just be a corrupted file... | 13:01 |
| pev | otavio: There'll also be a copy under tmp/work I imagine so can sha that too for comparison and see if one or both are corrupted? | 13:03 |
| pev | also, does rpm -v on the file tell you anything? | 13:05 |
| bluelightning | pev: I'm pretty sure /dev/null as the original file is OK... | 13:07 |
| pev | bluelightning: yeah, you're right. I'd made the assumption that as the patch was generated by their server it must be correct but I think it's borked...! | 13:08 |
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| qknight | bluelightning: yes i meant 'apt-get install gcc-multilib' but that didn't work as there were many dependencies which were too recent and aptitude couldn't downdate them | 13:22 |
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| qknight | bluelightning: i try to go from xubuntu 14.04 now, a friend succeeded this way | 13:22 |
| gebreselaisi | hi all | 13:23 |
| gebreselaisi | I'm trying to update a package but it fails at do_install(), but there's no error | 13:23 |
| gebreselaisi | it's able to isntall some stuff into image but up to some point | 13:23 |
| gebreselaisi | in which it fails | 13:23 |
| gebreselaisi | with no error | 13:24 |
| gebreselaisi | it says: Leaving directory .... | 13:24 |
| gebreselaisi | and then it errors out on the next line' | 13:24 |
| bluelightning | gebreselaisi: can you use pastebin to send the full do_install log? | 13:25 |
| gebreselaisi | bluelightning, http://pastebin.com/JZsCg5x5 | 13:29 |
| gebreselaisi | anything strange in there/. | 13:34 |
| gebreselaisi | anything strange in there? | 13:34 |
| bluelightning | gebreselaisi: really not sure what's going wrong there... | 13:42 |
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| b00^wk | what is the size of the v Yocto_Build_Appliance.vmdk ? i've downloaded the zip, but inside it, says actual *.vmdk file size is like 734 petabytes @_@ | 14:13 |
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| b00^wk | ah, stupid windows zip then. 7z says different .. | 14:14 |
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| gebreselaisi | bluelightning, me neither | 14:20 |
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| gebreselaisi | bluelightning, any idea on how to further debug that? | 14:37 |
| bluelightning | gebreselaisi: is this a recipe you are writing or one that we've provided? | 14:38 |
| gebreselaisi | it's a recipe for xserver-xorg, updated to version 1.16, into which I made some PACKAGECONFIG and EXTRA_OECONF changes | 14:39 |
| gebreselaisi | I disabled glx and enabled xwayland | 14:39 |
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| gebreselaisi | the recipe is taken from poky | 14:41 |
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| bluelightning | gebreselaisi: I guess the approach I would take is to look at run.do_install, then run bitbake -c devshell xserver-xorg and then run the exact make command that it is running; maybe the second time around it'll be easier to see which install command is failing | 14:45 |
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| bluelightning | why it doesn't actually report a proper error though is beyond me... | 14:46 |
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| gebreselaisi | bluelightning, thanks will try that | 14:50 |
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| frsc | One question concerning Yocto build logic: As soon as I enable x11 in an image by adding x11-base to IMAGE_FEATURES a lot of additional packages are pulled into the image. How can I reduce the added packages to the basic x11 tools from the x11 packagegroup? | 15:39 |
| kergoth | add just what you want, instead of he image feature | 15:40 |
| frsc | i'm adding x11-base and as a result things like mesa and a lot of other things i do not need are built. How can I avoid this? | 15:42 |
| frsc | Im working with freescale layers | 15:43 |
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| kergoth | things are built that need to be built, based on the dependencies of the recipes | 15:43 |
| kergoth | nothing is pulled in without reason | 15:43 |
| kergoth | see bitbake -u depexp -g <your image> | 15:43 |
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| frsc | kergoth: Thank you! I'm not yet familiar with the dependency tree. I got it now! | 15:49 |
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| camaronut | hello Yocto folks! | 16:40 |
| camaronut | What is the best way to build an SDK with kernel headers, but a target image without them? | 16:40 |
| camaronut | I tried TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK += "kernel-dev", but this fails when running bitbake -c populate_sdk image | 16:41 |
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| camaronut | The failure is: ERROR: Unable to install packages. Command '/sandboxes2/yocto_1.6.1/poky/build/tmp/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/apt-get install --force-yes --allow-unauthenticated nativesdk-packagegroup-sdk-host packagegroup-cross-canadian-tmru-ct kernel-dev' returned 100: | 16:42 |
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| bluelightning | camaronut: I think you want TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK rather than TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK | 16:55 |
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| camaronut | bluelightning - doesn't TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK populate the target? I want the headers in the SDK only. | 17:36 |
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| bluelightning | camaronut: no, TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK is for the target portion of the SDK (i.e. packages that are built for the target architecture) | 17:39 |
| bluelightning | camaronut: that includes headers, libs and debugging symbols | 17:40 |
| camaronut | bluelightning: OK, I'll try it out! Thanks! | 17:40 |
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| camaronut | bluelightning: that worked! How can I send you a beer or two? :) | 17:55 |
| bluelightning | camaronut: great! no need, but I appreciate the offer :) | 17:58 |
| bluelightning | bbl | 18:01 |
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| * nitink is noticing build issues with the latest poky master, are there known issues there ? | 18:32 | |
| kergoth | that's pretty vague :) | 18:34 |
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| rburton | nitink: the autobuilder was happy, so what's your problem? | 18:50 |
| nitink | rburton: few recipes suddenly started failing, like piglit, waffle | 18:54 |
| rburton | pastebin the logs, please | 18:54 |
| Crofton | heck just email them to 200 people! | 18:56 |
| nitink | rburton: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8366844/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/8366860/ | 18:57 |
| rburton | Crofton: don't tell them, we might start getting details about their secret projects | 19:00 |
| rburton | nitink: what machine? | 19:01 |
| rburton | oh, nuc, sorry | 19:01 |
| rburton | sounds like your mesa broke | 19:01 |
| rburton | check with eg qemux86-64 | 19:01 |
| nitink | rburton: the waffle issue went away and piglit issue started | 19:01 |
| nitink | rburton: the waffle issue may be caused by my misconfiguration of local.conf but piglit issue is not coming from any pilot error | 19:02 |
| nitink | rburton: did mesa get updated recently ? | 19:02 |
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| rburton | nope | 19:05 |
| rburton | well, define recently | 19:05 |
| rburton | ~june | 19:06 |
| rburton | the piglit error isnt; useful, you;ll need to find more logs to find out what happened | 19:06 |
| rburton | i'd suggest that the easy fix is to wipe tmp and start again | 19:06 |
| rburton | isn't the nuc a 64-bit machine? why is it using a 32-bit compiler. | 19:08 |
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| abelloni_ | Hi, I'm trying to use wic | 20:05 |
| abelloni_ | were should I put my wks files in my layer to be sure that it picks it up ? | 20:05 |
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| k-s | errr, what's the best way to check why a package is depending on another? | 21:24 |
| k-s | I'm creating a subpackage systemd-legacy inside system that will get all the files that are only needed in compatibility mode, things like initctl compat | 21:25 |
| k-s | but for some reason systemd is getting systemd-legacy even if there is no explicit DEPENDS or RDEPENDS | 21:26 |
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| censor | hi all | 22:38 |
| censor | i'm trying to apply some patches to my kernel for a wandboard | 22:38 |
| censor | i'm applying them to e.g. "arch/arm/configs/wandboard_defconfig" | 22:39 |
| censor | but it seems as if that defconfig is not used? what's the source defconfig, or how is it decided which one is used? | 22:39 |
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| censor | okay, i found out that a defconfig from a recipe is used, so i added my own through a .bbappend and removed the unnecessary patch | 23:00 |
| censor | so now there's my '3.10.17-r0/defconfig', but '3.10.17-r0/git/.config' is different from that | 23:01 |
| censor | how do i get it to use that defconfig i provided? | 23:01 |
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