Wednesday, 2014-09-17

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b00^wkhello !07:33
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bluelightningmorning all07:48
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b00^wkhey, i have a small question08:12
b00^wkI'm starting to evaluate the Yocto project (Framework?) for our future development,08:12
b00^wki have a question, before i dive into reading docs on the Yocto page:   if i go Yocto, am I still able to create tiny linux systems as I want them, starting from nothing ?08:13
LetoThe2nddepends on "what you want" and what "start from nothing" means for you ;)08:14
b00^wksay my current process is something like this:   make an fs image (squashfs, etc..), put a busybox on it,  put kernel, put bootloader, add other tools, add possibly other 'main' system08:15
b00^wkthat could be enough08:15
LetoThe2ndso if the question is: "can i build a sqaushfs image that contains busybox + some tools" then the answer is yes ;)08:16
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b00^wkLetoThe2nd, and select and configure my own kernel :)08:17
LetoThe2ndb00^wk: also that, yes.08:18
b00^wkLetoThe2nd, what will be my main benefit going Yocto ?  upgradabiltity and maintainability of my system image?08:20
LetoThe2ndb00^wk: i'd say reproductibility, support for license evaluations, and you can enjoy a large existing pool of recipes.08:21
b00^wkLetoThe2nd, what is the pool of recipes ? Others coming up and sharing nice configurations ?08:22
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LetoThe2ndb00^wk: kind of, yes. a recipe is basically the compilation package09:20
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LetoThe2ndb00^wk: but be aware, that we're actually not talking about the yocto project, but about openembedded (which is the underlying build system technology)09:32
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b00^wkok.  i'm diving into some reading at yocto ..09:46
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b00^wkare Cortex'ses supported ?09:54
b00^wkfor developers, says "access to great collection of ap developer tools ... Eclipse"   Does it mean all tools and everything is tightly tied to Ecplise ?09:57
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bluelightningb00^wk: the only IDE we provide a plugin for is Eclipse, however we can produce an SDK which should be able to be plugged into any IDE (or used independently)09:59
LetoThe2ndb00^wk: cortex-a is supported relatively good. and the eclipse stuff is more like a can-use sauce on top.09:59
bluelightningright10:00
b00^wkgreat, so app developers should be able to easily plug sdk's into QtCreator for example ?10:01
b00^wkThe approved app tool chain, does it include latest & greatest g++, with C++11 support ?10:01
LetoThe2ndthe toolchain that you can provided is relatively recent, yes.10:02
LetoThe2nddon't have the exact version ready right now10:02
b00^wkalso says "advanced kernel development tools"  ,   are those something Yocto made ?10:03
LetoThe2ndinstead of glacing over each marketing buzzword line, i'd actually encourage you to just give the quick start guide a try, and see for yourself10:03
b00^wkyes that would be best10:04
LetoThe2ndthe kernel stuff is not a fancy gui or such, its more like some mechanisms to ease kernel configuration transitions between varying machines, projects and such.10:05
LetoThe2ndb00^wk: so for a first, jsut give the QS a go, and see in qemu. :)10:05
b00^wkQS ?10:05
LetoThe2ndQuickStart10:05
* LetoThe2nd is off for lünch10:06
bluelightninghttp://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/yocto-project-qs/yocto-project-qs.html10:06
b00^wkyes, thank you10:06
b00^wkthat envoronment pic looks great10:07
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b00^wkquick question: :P   (while i'm downloading stuff ..)   : how small a system can I make with Yocto ?10:48
tmpsantosb00^wk: if you build poky-tiny it can be really small10:52
tmpsantosI'm talking about less than 20 MB10:52
b00^wki want upto say most 16MB overhead , which is OS & related.10:54
b00^wk(rest of my space for target specific purpose)10:54
tmpsantosb00^wk: I believe that is possible10:54
tmpsantosb00^wk: have a look at https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Poky-Tiny10:54
tmpsantosand10:55
b00^wktmpsantos, ok10:55
b00^wktmpsantos,  but is 'tweaking' in principle possible here, without breaking how this framework works?10:55
rburtonpoky-tiny is nothing more than a tweaked distribution10:56
tmpsantosb00^wk: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/1.6/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#building-a-tiny-system10:56
rburtoncustom kernel, changed c library configuration, leaner busybox10:56
rburtonet voila, 3MB rootfs10:56
b00^wkas in dumb example: i check something in outcome, and see , omg, this fat chunk i dont want.  and I chuck it myself.  will this break how the framework & build functions ?10:56
b00^wkyea, 3MB rootfs is nic10:56
b00^wke10:56
rburtonb00^wk: if you remove it properly - ie remove the reason why its in the image, then that's using the framework10:57
tmpsantosb00^wk: poky-tiny is around 5 MB actually10:57
b00^wktmpsantos, wow, nice10:57
tmpsantosb00^wk: these docs are just amazing10:57
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tmpsantosb00^wk: it really explains you what is worth trimming10:57
b00^wkyea, im just downloading the images and that build appliance .. net is slow  :/10:57
rburtontiny is *very* limited, but its a demo of how to make a tiny system.  you can add stuff that you need and remove stuff you don't10:57
b00^wktmpsantos,  yes, and hopefully does not take time.10:57
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b00^wkrburton, very limited is good. I rather go up then try to go downstripping10:58
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tmpsantosrburton: how do you flash the poky-tiny on a USB drive? because you don't get an hddimg as output...10:58
rburtonyou don't, if it doesn't give you a hddimg10:59
rburtonthat's probably because the hddimg boot sequence assumes its got more tools10:59
rburtonit offers an install button, for example10:59
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tmpsantoshmm10:59
b00^wki do want raw dd image :)11:00
b00^wki hope they allow that ? :)11:00
rburtonyes11:00
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qknighti've just tried to install gcc-multilib on 14.04 but it gives me 'unment dependencies' and now i can't use yocto but the yocto homepage they support 14.04 (do they mean they build 14.04 rather than building yocto targets on 14.04?)11:31
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bluelightningqknight: what do you mean exactly by "install gcc-multilib on 14.04" ?12:16
bluelightningdo you mean apt-get install gcc-multilib?12:16
pevanyone seen any patch oddities where patches that create new files instead create files called dev/null?12:17
pevits a bit odd and from a patch I've pulled down from github - looks like some kind of path substitution issue12:17
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bluelightningpev: can't say I have - which host distro are you using? what version of patch does it provide?12:36
pevlatest patch12:52
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pevlooks like it might have been an originally malformed patch : http://git.freescale.com/git/cgit.cgi/imx/linux-2.6-imx.git/patch/?id=2045c45db978aeefbb7e437289227f75b05c664f12:53
otaviox11 fsl-image-machine-test@ls1021aqds (1/5) error:     .../build-x11/tmp/deploy/rpm/all/run-postinsts-1.0-r9.all.rpm: Invalid SHA (expected 9bcdb5866effac2823b67e0e54f00b018d55d58f, got 23592f4ba5739cc55f0c69f78998a1ca6c0913ca)12:53
otaviois this known error?12:53
pevbluelightning: From looking at other patches using the a/ b/ format a/dev/null is wrong!12:54
otavioI got it in our builder12:54
pevGuessing its down to freescales server...12:55
pevotavio: have you manually SHA'd to see if the message is correct?12:56
otaviopev: what do you mean?12:59
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pevotavio: Have you manually calculated the sha for the package to check what the build system is reporting is correct?13:01
pevcould just be a corrupted file...13:01
pevotavio: There'll also be a copy under tmp/work I imagine so can sha that too for comparison and see if one or both are corrupted?13:03
pevalso, does rpm -v on the file tell you anything?13:05
bluelightningpev: I'm pretty sure /dev/null as the original file is OK...13:07
pevbluelightning: yeah, you're right. I'd made the assumption that as the patch was generated by their server it must be correct but I think it's borked...!13:08
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qknightbluelightning: yes i meant 'apt-get install gcc-multilib' but that didn't work as there were many dependencies which were too recent and aptitude couldn't downdate them13:22
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qknightbluelightning: i try to go from xubuntu 14.04 now, a friend succeeded this way13:22
gebreselaisihi all13:23
gebreselaisiI'm trying to update a package but it fails at do_install(), but there's no error13:23
gebreselaisiit's able to isntall some stuff into image but up to some point13:23
gebreselaisiin which it fails13:23
gebreselaisiwith no error13:24
gebreselaisiit says: Leaving directory ....13:24
gebreselaisiand then it errors out on the next line'13:24
bluelightninggebreselaisi: can you use pastebin to send the full do_install log?13:25
gebreselaisibluelightning, http://pastebin.com/JZsCg5x513:29
gebreselaisianything strange in there/.13:34
gebreselaisianything strange in there?13:34
bluelightninggebreselaisi: really not sure what's going wrong there...13:42
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b00^wkwhat is the size of the v Yocto_Build_Appliance.vmdk ?   i've downloaded the zip, but inside it, says actual *.vmdk file size is like  734 petabytes @_@14:13
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b00^wkah, stupid windows zip then.  7z  says different ..14:14
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gebreselaisibluelightning, me neither14:20
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gebreselaisibluelightning, any idea on how to further debug that?14:37
bluelightninggebreselaisi: is this a recipe you are writing or one that we've provided?14:38
gebreselaisiit's a recipe for xserver-xorg, updated to version 1.16, into which I made some PACKAGECONFIG and EXTRA_OECONF changes14:39
gebreselaisiI disabled glx and enabled xwayland14:39
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gebreselaisithe recipe is taken from poky14:41
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bluelightninggebreselaisi: I guess the approach I would take is to look at run.do_install, then run bitbake -c devshell xserver-xorg and then run the exact make command that it is running; maybe the second time around it'll be easier to see which install command is failing14:45
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bluelightningwhy it doesn't actually report a proper error though is beyond me...14:46
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gebreselaisibluelightning, thanks will try that14:50
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frscOne question concerning Yocto build logic: As soon as I enable x11 in an image by adding x11-base to IMAGE_FEATURES a lot of additional packages are pulled into the image. How can I reduce the added packages to the basic x11 tools from the x11 packagegroup?15:39
kergothadd just what you want, instead of he image feature15:40
frsci'm adding x11-base and as a result things like mesa and a lot of other things i do not need are built. How can I avoid this?15:42
frscIm working with freescale layers15:43
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kergoththings are built that need to be built, based on the dependencies of the recipes15:43
kergothnothing is pulled in without reason15:43
kergothsee bitbake -u depexp -g <your image>15:43
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frsckergoth: Thank you! I'm not yet familiar with the dependency tree. I got it now!15:49
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camaronuthello Yocto folks!16:40
camaronutWhat is the best way to build an SDK with kernel headers, but a target image without them?16:40
camaronutI tried TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK += "kernel-dev", but this fails when running bitbake -c populate_sdk image16:41
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camaronutThe failure is: ERROR: Unable to install packages. Command '/sandboxes2/yocto_1.6.1/poky/build/tmp/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/apt-get  install --force-yes --allow-unauthenticated nativesdk-packagegroup-sdk-host packagegroup-cross-canadian-tmru-ct kernel-dev' returned 100:16:42
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bluelightningcamaronut: I think you want TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK rather than TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK16:55
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camaronutbluelightning - doesn't TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK populate the target?  I want the headers in the SDK only.17:36
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bluelightningcamaronut: no, TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK is for the target portion of the SDK (i.e. packages that are built for the target architecture)17:39
bluelightningcamaronut: that includes headers, libs and debugging symbols17:40
camaronutbluelightning: OK, I'll try it out!  Thanks!17:40
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camaronutbluelightning: that worked!  How can I send you a beer or two?  :)17:55
bluelightningcamaronut: great! no need, but I appreciate the offer :)17:58
bluelightningbbl18:01
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* nitink is noticing build issues with the latest poky master, are there known issues there ?18:32
kergoththat's pretty vague :)18:34
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rburtonnitink: the autobuilder was happy, so what's your problem?18:50
nitinkrburton:  few recipes suddenly started failing, like piglit, waffle18:54
rburtonpastebin the logs, please18:54
Croftonheck just email them to 200 people!18:56
nitinkrburton:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8366844/   http://paste.ubuntu.com/8366860/18:57
rburtonCrofton: don't tell them, we might start getting details about their secret projects19:00
rburtonnitink: what machine?19:01
rburtonoh, nuc, sorry19:01
rburtonsounds like your mesa broke19:01
rburtoncheck with eg qemux86-6419:01
nitinkrburton:  the waffle issue went away and piglit issue started19:01
nitinkrburton:  the waffle issue may be caused by my misconfiguration of local.conf but piglit issue is not coming from any pilot error19:02
nitinkrburton:  did mesa get updated recently ?19:02
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rburtonnope19:05
rburtonwell, define recently19:05
rburton~june19:06
rburtonthe piglit error isnt; useful, you;ll need to find more logs to find out what happened19:06
rburtoni'd suggest that the easy fix is to wipe tmp and start again19:06
rburtonisn't the nuc a 64-bit machine? why is it using a 32-bit compiler.19:08
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abelloni_Hi, I'm trying to use wic20:05
abelloni_were should I put my wks files in my layer to be sure that it picks it up ?20:05
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k-serrr, what's the best way to check why a package is depending on another?21:24
k-sI'm creating a subpackage systemd-legacy inside system that will get all the files that are only needed in compatibility mode, things like initctl compat21:25
k-sbut for some reason systemd is getting systemd-legacy even if there is no explicit DEPENDS or RDEPENDS21:26
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censorhi all22:38
censori'm trying to apply some patches to my kernel for a wandboard22:38
censori'm applying them to e.g. "arch/arm/configs/wandboard_defconfig"22:39
censorbut it seems as if that defconfig is not used? what's the source defconfig, or how is it decided which one is used?22:39
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censorokay, i found out that a defconfig from a recipe is used, so i added my own through a .bbappend and removed the unnecessary patch23:00
censorso now there's my '3.10.17-r0/defconfig', but '3.10.17-r0/git/.config' is different from that23:01
censorhow do i get it to use that defconfig i provided?23:01
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