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dhirc | Is it OK to share the sstate cache directory as well as the downloads with different yocto builds. For example, if I am using the TI yocto and the freescale fsl-community etc? I am guessing it will be but just want to make sure there are no side effects of build A populating incorrect cache for build B.. | 01:15 |
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kergoth | dhirc: yes, that'll work fine. cached binaries are checksummed, they'll only affect one another if the checksums match, which means they're correct, otherwise they won't affect one another at all | 03:13 |
dhirc | kergoth: thanks for confirming | 03:37 |
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mckoan | good morning | 07:14 |
LetoThe2nd | moarns the good too. | 07:15 |
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ionte_ | hi! | 07:53 |
LetoThe2nd | lo! | 07:53 |
ionte_ | could someone help me by explaining how tmux could interfer with a bitbake build of yocto? | 07:54 |
LetoThe2nd | not directly, but i can confirm that its detection interfers with the devshell feature IIRC | 07:54 |
ionte_ | i've had a problem building networkmanager. it failed while patching. | 07:54 |
rburton | i often run bitbake under tmux so define what you mean by interfere | 07:54 |
LetoThe2nd | rburton: yeah, same here. | 07:55 |
rburton | right | 07:55 |
rburton | so if you've got PATCHRESOLVE=user it will start a devshell for you | 07:55 |
rburton | and that will use tmux | 07:55 |
rburton | which is why poky sets that to noop | 07:55 |
ionte_ | looking at the log i noticed that there was some tmux related errors. so i draw the conclusion that networkmanager fails to build because i was running in tmux. | 07:55 |
rburton | so its possible that the patch apply failed | 07:56 |
rburton | set PATCHRESOLVE=noop in your local.conf and see if that helps | 07:56 |
rburton | (fwiw, the default is noop in master now) | 07:56 |
ionte_ | so i closed tmux and now i get these errors: http://pastebin.com/ifh40Ser | 07:56 |
ionte_ | testing with patchresolve=noop... | 07:59 |
rburton | looks like you didn't set PATCHRESOLVE correctly | 08:00 |
ionte_ | rburton: that log was from before i set PATCHRESOLVE | 08:00 |
rburton | oh right | 08:00 |
rburton | gotcha | 08:00 |
rburton | yeah that's networkmanager's do_patch failing | 08:01 |
ionte_ | i'm building with PATCHRESOLVE=noop now, and so far no problems. i get a much better error message for the patch that fails to apply to networkmanager... | 08:01 |
rburton | its trying to drop you into a devshell to fix the apply directly | 08:01 |
rburton | which is helpful but a bit confusing if you're not aware its trying to do that :) | 08:01 |
rburton | (thus why we changed the default) | 08:01 |
ionte_ | ok. has it always been like that? | 08:02 |
ionte_ | can't remember being dropped into devshell on patch errors before... | 08:02 |
rburton | ionte_: poky sets noop, the default was user until very recently. its possible that you were using a distro that sets noop until recently? | 08:13 |
ionte_ | rburton: using poky fido and PATCHRESOLVE is "user" (set in meta/conf/bitbake.conf) | 08:18 |
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joshuagl | the default local.conf sets PATCHRESOLVE = "noop" | 08:25 |
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bluelightning | morning all | 08:35 |
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joshuagl | oops, I seem to have triggered a QA build mail when using the AB yesterday | 08:37 |
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ionte_ | joshuagl: yes, i see that now. but i use a minimal local.conf, so i guess it defaulted to "user" since PATCHRESOLVE was not set in local.conf | 09:23 |
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gatisp | hi, is it possible in yocto in .bbappend file to remove "something" from RDEPENDS that was set in .bb file? | 09:30 |
gatisp | I tried RDEPENDS -= "something", but that results in unparsable line | 09:31 |
bluelightning | gatisp: you could try RDEPENDS_${PN}_remove = "something" | 09:31 |
bluelightning | btw, if this is in something like a packagegroup, no worries... but bear in mind in a normal recipe this alone isn't going to do anything to remove the underlying dependency that the RDEPENDS is just there to satisfy | 09:32 |
gatisp | bluelightning, thanks, _remove seemed to helped - bitbake succeed. Yes I understand that it would not remove the dependency from the code it self :) Just want to remove a faulty set dependency in upstream code. | 09:37 |
bluelightning | gatisp: the the upstream code a public layer? | 09:37 |
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gatisp | yes, it is /sources/meta-openembedded/meta-initramfs/dracut. We talked about this one actually once. dracut does not depend on systemd | 09:38 |
gatisp | until now i just copied the recipe and remove the faulty dependency manually | 09:38 |
gatisp | now i am just cleaning up my code by adding .bbappend with RDEPENDS_${PN}_remove = "systemd" | 09:40 |
bluelightning | hmm, well ideally the original recipe would be fixed | 09:40 |
gatisp | of course I should fix it upstream, but lazy to setup account :) | 09:40 |
bluelightning | I'm still a bit puzzled as to how that dependency got in in the first place | 09:40 |
gatisp | probably by mistake | 09:41 |
bluelightning | I did look through the git history but there wasn't anything obvious by way of explanation | 09:41 |
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gatisp | dracut can take advantage of systemd if it present | 09:41 |
gatisp | but it is not mandatory | 09:41 |
bluelightning | ok, fair enough | 09:42 |
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ionte_ | anyone who's familiar with using nodejs and npm packages in yocto? i have a few packages that are build dependencies for a custom recipe. for example "webpack"... | 10:24 |
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niteshnarayanlal | hi I am trying to create a custom layer with some packages whose recipes are only available in this meta-example directory | 11:28 |
niteshnarayanlal | I already modified conf/bblayers.conf to include the absolute path of this directory | 11:29 |
niteshnarayanlal | but still when rootfs is building this packages are not build and nor packaged | 11:29 |
niteshnarayanlal | any idea where I am doing wrong | 11:30 |
niteshnarayanlal | *goingg | 11:31 |
jku | niteshnarayanlal: does anything add the packages into the image? | 11:31 |
niteshnarayanlal | jku, I tried to add these packages by making a bbappend file | 11:32 |
niteshnarayanlal | under images directory | 11:32 |
niteshnarayanlal | jku, I hope I expressed my query clearly? | 11:34 |
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jku | typically I think you'd either create a your-own-image.bb file or for testing you could just use 'IMAGE_INSTALL_append = " my-package"' in your local.conf | 11:36 |
niteshnarayanlal | jku, is there any example which I could refer as I couldn't find it on internet | 11:40 |
niteshnarayanlal | I used IMAGE_INSTALL +="package" -image-core.bbappend | 11:41 |
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jku | I guess bbappending image bb files works (assuming you actually used the name of a real image) but the normal way to do it is to write a custom .bb file and use e.g. "inherit core-image" in that bb file | 11:50 |
jku | niteshnarayanlal: see http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#usingpoky-extend-customimage-custombb | 11:50 |
jku | (or just copy-paste some image bb file that is close to what you want) | 11:52 |
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niteshnarayanlal | jku, if I have some pre existing abc-image-core.bb which I copy under images of tpm-abc directory | 11:54 |
niteshnarayanlal | then do I have to change its name | 11:54 |
niteshnarayanlal | or is it ok if 2 abc-flash-core.bb exists in separate directory | 11:54 |
jku | change the name -- I don't see how bitbake could figure out which one you mean otherwise | 11:55 |
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niteshnarayanlal | so just changing the name will do and is there any other change I need to make | 12:01 |
niteshnarayanlal | as in how yocto reads it just goes to this directory and see the xyz-image.bb and will start building those packages | 12:02 |
niteshnarayanlal | is that so? | 12:02 |
jku | as long as the layer is in BBLAYERS and the layers layer.conf sets BBFILES so that xyz-image.bb is found, that should be it | 12:06 |
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jku | (and the image bb file adds the needed packages to IMAGE_INSTALL of course) | 12:07 |
niteshnarayanlal | jku, http://fpaste.org/267899/24054661/ this is how my layer.conf looks atm | 12:11 |
niteshnarayanlal | its present in meta-tp/conf/ | 12:11 |
niteshnarayanlal | other two directories in meta-tp are images and recipes-tp | 12:12 |
niteshnarayanlal | recipes-tp carries trousers and other recipe files in the respective directory of each package | 12:13 |
niteshnarayanlal | in the images I have created image-core-tp.bb | 12:14 |
niteshnarayanlal | where I have added the IMAGE_INSTALL | 12:14 |
niteshnarayanlal | does that make sense? | 12:14 |
jku | what is the problem you are solving right now? | 12:17 |
niteshnarayanlal | the packages are not getting build | 12:17 |
niteshnarayanlal | when I am building the rootfs | 12:17 |
jku | but did bitbake build image-core-tp? | 12:17 |
jku | niteshnarayanlal: it sounds like the image file should be in e.g. meta-tp/recipes-tp/images/image-core-tp.bb | 12:19 |
jku | to match your BBFILES setting | 12:19 |
niteshnarayanlal | jku, yeah thanks a bunch | 12:25 |
niteshnarayanlal | I didn't write the layer.conf properly | 12:25 |
niteshnarayanlal | due to which it never found the recipe files | 12:25 |
jku | np (I think I've fallen to the same trap once) | 12:26 |
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niteshnarayanlal | jku, a generic question we have so many layers in yocto now if all have their own abc-image-core.bb then size of the whole rootfs would be too large isn't | 12:30 |
niteshnarayanlal | or is it advisable to use bbappend | 12:30 |
jku | now I don't follow | 12:32 |
bluelightning | niteshnarayanlal: why would you need one image per layer? surely you should only need one image recipe per set of image contents you actually want to build? | 12:34 |
jku | niteshnarayanlal: if you just wanted to add packages from this new layer to an existing custom image (without creating an additional image), then just modify that image bb file | 12:36 |
bluelightning | the recommended best practice is for your custom image recipes to be in your custom distro layer, which has an expectation that all of the layers providing all of the needed recipes are enabled when using it | 12:38 |
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niteshnarayanlal | ah ok thanks all | 12:45 |
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DatGizmo | Hey, is it possible to make the layer configuration dynamic? I want to include a layer only if a specific machine is used. | 14:59 |
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kergoth | DatGizmo: not generally, no | 15:00 |
kergoth | which is part of why bsp layers should use machine overrides everywhere, so it's safe to include the layer in your layer configuration whether you use that machine or not | 15:00 |
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DatGizmo | My problem is, that I have some bbappends in our layer which depends on another layer. So if this layer is missing, bitbake failes. | 15:03 |
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kergoth | ah, i can tell you how to fix that | 15:03 |
DatGizmo | So I thougt, I could put thoes append files in a subfolder of our layer, and include thoes onlt if a specific machine is used. | 15:03 |
kergoth | you can set it up so you can have areas of your layer which are only used when that other layer is included | 15:03 |
kergoth | https://github.com/MentorEmbedded/meta-mentor/blob/master/meta-mentor-staging/conf/layer.conf#L5-L10 | 15:04 |
kergoth | then as an example, https://github.com/MentorEmbedded/meta-mentor/blob/master/meta-mentor-staging/meta-ti/recipes-graphics/libgles/libgles-omap3_5.01.01.02.bbappend | 15:04 |
Ulfalizer | how meta | 15:04 |
kergoth | note how it's under the meta-ti subdir. it goes by the layer name from BBFILE_COLLECTIONS from the layer's layer.conf | 15:04 |
kergoth | it's quite common to have a distro layer that wants to apply changes to multiple bsps, so it comes in handy there | 15:05 |
kergoth | bluelightning: oops, forgot to cc you on the new recipetool subcommand, but i think you probably saw the bug update anyway, so maybe it doesn't matter | 15:07 |
kergoth | i need to get in the habit of cc'ing folks that care on my submissions | 15:07 |
DatGizmo | Ahh, I have seen this in a layer we use. But I didn't quit understand how I could use this. But it just clicked :) | 15:07 |
DatGizmo | kergoth: thanks :) | 15:07 |
kergoth | np | 15:08 |
bluelightning | kergoth: hmm when did you send that? | 15:08 |
kergoth | last night, '[PATCH] recipetool: add 'newappend' sub-command' .. it's trivial, not much code | 15:09 |
kergoth | thought about putting it in append.py, but i worry that's getting a bit cluttered | 15:10 |
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bluelightning | kergoth: hmm, somehow I'm not seeing it in my mail client but it's in patchwork | 15:14 |
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kergoth | huh, weird | 15:14 |
bluelightning | ah, wait... there it is | 15:14 |
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kergoth | Has the 2.0 release been branched, yet, since it's supposed to be feature frozen? | 15:27 |
fray | afaik "kinda".. in that M3 isn't out yet AFAIK.. | 15:29 |
kergoth | huh, k | 15:29 |
fray | gcc 5.2, recipe test and build failures, etc have put M3 behind schedule.. | 15:30 |
fray | technicall M3 release is what should trigger the freeze.. but I don't think RP is accepting new functionality at this point (well he probably is within reason anyay) | 15:30 |
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peterdoe | Hi | 15:33 |
gatisp | hello again. How do I tell a recipe to install header files in sysroot? currently I have them only on the image. | 15:34 |
kergoth | fray: ah, okay, thanks, was wondering | 15:35 |
kergoth | gatisp: you don't have to tell it anything, any headers installed to ${D}${includedir} will end up in the sysroot | 15:35 |
peterdoe | I've discovered Yocto Autobuilder today and I'm interested on it | 15:36 |
peterdoe | Is it doing tests on QEMU already? I read that is something you want to add in the future, but don't know when this webpage has been edited last time: https://www.yoctoproject.org/tools-resources/projects/autobuilder | 15:36 |
gatisp | kergoth, hm ok, will have to check why they are not there then. I inherit autotools, maybe i have to explicitly add that path in install_append then. | 15:37 |
RP | kergoth: M3 just went into testing which is our feature freeze point | 15:38 |
bluelightning | peterdoe: it is... but it's just calling the runtime test code that is within the main build system in order to do that | 15:39 |
RP | kergoth: I tend to hold off branching for a while and concentrate on bug fixing the release rather than try and do master and the release at the same time | 15:39 |
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peterdoe | bluelightning: nice! can you point me to the jobs in autobuilder buildbot that are doing that? | 15:41 |
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peterdoe | I've been also trying to dig information about "Yocto HW automation testing". All the info I've found is confusing | 15:43 |
bluelightning | peterdoe: "Running Sanity Tests" is the autobuilder task that does that I believe | 15:43 |
bluelightning | as for testing on real hardware, what we support is documented in the manual, let me grab the section link | 15:44 |
bluelightning | peterdoe: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#hardware-image-enabling-tests | 15:44 |
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peterdoe | bluelightning: yes, "sanity tests" looks like them, thanks | 15:46 |
* peterdoe goes to read | 15:46 | |
peterdoe | thanks for the link | 15:46 |
bluelightning | no problem | 15:47 |
bluelightning | it's fairly bare-bones, but does have the basic functionality | 15:47 |
gatisp | kergoth, i think i used the wrong work to describe what i was trying to achieve. What I wanted to ask is how do I get the headers into toolchain? not sysroot/image | 15:47 |
bluelightning | gatisp: how are you building the toolchain? | 15:48 |
fray | gatisp - for 'toolchain' you mean an SDK? | 15:48 |
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gatisp | yeah, SDK. I run "bitbake meta-toolchain-b2qt-embedded-sdk" | 15:49 |
fray | the meta-toolchain-b2qt-embedded-sdk recipe would need to specify the list of things you want in the 'sysroot' part of the SDK.. | 15:49 |
fray | both mandatory and 'attempted' install.. | 15:49 |
bluelightning | through TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK | 15:49 |
fray | correct.. was just going to look that up.. ;) | 15:50 |
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gatisp | bluelightning, fray : thanks, I think i found the place. | 15:51 |
fray | there is also an 'SDKIMAGE_FEATURS' which defaults to dev-pkgs and dbg-pkgs | 15:53 |
kergoth | Hmm, we put ERROR messages on stderr, but not WARNING messages. given stderr isn't just for errors, but anything out of band, i think warnings would probably be appropriate there as well | 15:53 |
kergoth | (context: i want recipetool-newappend to be scriptable, which means nothing but the append path outputted on stdout, but also want to show warnings) | 15:55 |
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kergoth | oh, actually, we aren't even using BBLogFilterStdErr in scriptutils yet anyway, so even if it worked for warnings, it wouldn't benefit recipetool yet :P | 15:56 |
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aaboyd | I'm kind of new to this whole thing so this might be a dumb question, So much information to try and consume at once ... When a yocto build is made, where / how do you define a script that you want to be put in /etc/rc5.d/ ? I looked at some of the recipes for busybox and I just don't see where that happens | 16:05 |
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kergoth | oh, i see | 16:05 |
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jmesmon | Can 2 builds use the same SSTATE_DIR without causing problems for each other? | 16:10 |
jmesmon | bitbake related ^ | 16:10 |
bluelightning | aaboyd: basically they need to be installed during do_install... often the makefile being run by the recipe is what does that | 16:11 |
bluelightning | aaboyd: after that there is an inherit and some variables to set in order to get the initscript enabled | 16:12 |
bluelightning | aaboyd: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#new-recipe-enabling-system-services | 16:12 |
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aaboyd | bluelightning: thanks for pointing me in the right direction, I will take a look at that part of the manual | 16:15 |
bluelightning | aaboyd: no problem | 16:16 |
bluelightning | jmesmon: I'm not sure that is a good idea for concurrent builds... you're best off having a primary builder and then any others use SSTATE_MIRRORS to point to the primary's SSTATE_DIR | 16:18 |
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tripzero1 | joshuagl: ping | 16:38 |
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tripzero1 | when you "bitbake [recipe]" shouldn't bitbake select the latest version? "bitbake opencv" seems to want to build 2.4 instead of 3.0 even though opencv_3.0 exists | 16:39 |
kergoth | tripzero1: the latest is used if no preferences are specified. your distro could be specifying it, or the recipe could set DEFAULT_PREFERENCE to indicate we don't want it used by default (usually the case with prereleases, git versions, or bits which just aren't well supported yet, etc) | 16:40 |
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tripzero1 | kergoth: aah! I see DEFAULT_PREFERNCES = "-1" for 3.0 | 16:41 |
tripzero1 | can I override that in my local.conf? DEFAULT_PREFERNCES_opencv = "0" ? | 16:42 |
kergoth | no, the usual way of specifying preferences will override it | 16:43 |
kergoth | PREFERRED_VERSION_opencv = "3.0" | 16:43 |
tripzero1 | kk | 16:43 |
kergoth | DEFAULT_PREFERENCE is just the default when no preference is specified by the user | 16:43 |
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kergoth | Hmm, could be useful to be able to specify on a per-recipetool-sub-command basis, to send all log messages to stderr, because our primary output is something actually useful, not just log messages | 16:54 |
kergoth | for cases where the log messages are not the primary output -- logging usually *is* out of band for unix tools, just with bitbake we conflate the two, the log messages are the main output | 16:55 |
kergoth | Does https://github.com/openembedded/openembedded-core/compare/openembedded:master...kergoth:scriptutils-log-improvements seem reasonably sane? | 16:57 |
kergoth | (doesn't do what i just discussed, just switches to using the bits that send error to stderr, then changes that to include warnings, and uses the bb.msg log formatter once we have bb.msg available) | 16:58 |
kergoth | hmm | 16:58 |
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tripzero1 | kergoth: you wrote the opencv recipe, right? | 16:58 |
kergoth | don't think so | 16:59 |
kergoth | check the git log. git log --follow <recipe path> | 16:59 |
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challinan | oops! /etc/issue still shows 1.7.2 in fido branch ;) | 17:47 |
* kergoth chuckles | 17:48 | |
kergoth | need to automate the release process more, including version bumping | 17:48 |
kergoth | hmm | 17:48 |
challinan | yeah, DISTRO_VERSION still showing 1.7.2 | 17:50 |
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* nerdboy had a jenkins env sed hack for that once... | 18:14 | |
* nerdboy hears the mewing of day-old kitties | 18:15 | |
kergoth | aw | 18:15 |
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kergoth | error: implicit declaration of function 'drmModeSetCursor2' in xserver-xorg, anyone run into this one before? | 21:15 |
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Marex | progress, finally | 22:24 |
Marex | kergoth: I've been in hell^H^H^H^Hdigging in libtool some more | 22:24 |
Marex | kergoth: looks like need_relink is not set to 'yes' for nios2, this the libtool doesn't generate wrappers | 22:25 |
Marex | kergoth: now I need to understand why this is the case | 22:25 |
kergoth | Marex: heh, progress at least | 22:26 |
kergoth | in case anyone else ever runs into the aforementioned error, drmModeSetCursor2 was added in 2.4.46 of libdrm, but meta-ti is currently stuck on 2.4.41, so currently meta-ti machines using libdrm will fail to build the xserver-xorg which is in oe-core | 22:27 |
kergoth | that is, without a preference set to pull in oe-core's libdrm | 22:27 |
Marex | kergoth: libtool eats little kittens for breakfast, I'm certain of that | 22:27 |
kergoth | that doesn't surprise me in the least. i remember working on some of the early cross patches for it, nightmare | 22:28 |
kergoth | though richard did more of that than i | 22:28 |
RP | kergoth: we still have some of yours I think. We both have scars from that... | 22:29 |
denix | kergoth: that's unfortunate. I'm trying to push people internally to remove dependency on old libdrm - https://lists.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/meta-ti/2015-August/006937.html | 22:29 |
kergoth | denix: yeah, got taht impression from your commit messages :) | 22:29 |
RP | joshuagl: congrats on achieving the greenest build we've had for a while! | 22:30 |
* RP just wishes it was master | 22:30 | |
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fray | Marex usually the relink is because prelink doesn't think the architecture supports shared libraries.. this could be the result of the arch scan early in libtool -- or it running 'file' to find the type of files and not being able to interpret the results.. | 22:33 |
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RP | kergoth: one dilemma we've got right now is the package directory concurrency issue. rootfs generation is basically serialised by locks on the package directories since changing the indexes half way through would break things. | 22:33 |
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RP | kergoth: now the QA tests are getting upset if we change the index in the middle of the package manager tests :( | 22:33 |
RP | kergoth: serisouly wondering if we should make things work off a hardlinked copy of the dirs... | 22:33 |
Marex | oh | 22:33 |
Marex | mother...f:-E~ | 22:34 |
Marex | for host in .... *os2*) magically matches nios2 | 22:34 |
fray | as I said before.. I'm surprised libtool even knows that nios2 architecture exists.. | 22:34 |
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fray | ahh there ya go.. :) you not have a nearly 20 year old OS causing you problems | 22:34 |
Marex | which is why , of course , need_relink is set to no, because for os2 we do not relink | 22:34 |
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Marex | but nios2 != OS/2 , so ... | 22:34 |
Marex | that's the whole problem | 22:34 |
RP | Marex: I really shouldn't laugh, I've been there myself... | 22:35 |
fray | my suggestion BTW (short term) remove references to os2... long term re-order the matching | 22:35 |
fray | the later is likely what you need to get it upstream | 22:35 |
Marex | I'll consult this with my doctor ... | 22:35 |
fray | :) | 22:36 |
fray | (search and replace of 'os2' to 'XX' would work.. ;) | 22:36 |
Marex | fray: I'd prefer a much more proper solution | 22:36 |
Marex | I need to check how many of these os2 issues are there | 22:37 |
Marex | but hell, this was a stab in the back, ew | 22:37 |
fray | :) | 22:37 |
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kergoth | Marex: haha | 22:38 |
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khem | nios we did not have proper fork() for it as well | 22:47 |
Marex | kergoth: I'd like to submit proper nios2 support for Yocto | 22:48 |
Marex | kergoth: should I cook it into meta-nios2 or shall I submit the core bits for inclusion into poky ? | 22:49 |
khem | Marex: core bits into oe-core yes | 22:52 |
Marex | khem: roger :) | 22:54 |
Marex | khem: btw are you coming for ELCE this year again ? | 22:54 |
khem | Marex: no, skipping | 22:54 |
Marex | who's coming ? | 22:54 |
khem | must be lot of folks | 22:54 |
* fray will be there | 22:55 | |
Marex | khem: yeah, it's bigger each year and I think the quality is dropping | 22:55 |
fray | I think zedd will as well | 22:55 |
Marex | oh cool :) | 22:55 |
fray | I think the quality is there.. but the type of talks is changing.. (not necessarily bad) | 22:56 |
fray | I'm seeing a lot more what I would consider "intermediate" embedded topics | 22:56 |
fray | fewer advanced and beginner topics.. | 22:59 |
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Marex | fray: come see my FPGA talk :-) | 23:12 |
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Marex | fray: hopefully, it's press you into the seat with it's advanced...ness :-) | 23:12 |
* Marex is in really good mood after this libtool thing :-) | 23:13 | |
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kergoth | I really need to stop skipping these conferences, I've been to one ELC years ago :\ | 23:19 |
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