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| qknight | yay, built my own kernel and deployed it and then discovered that i don't have the firmware installed radeon/R600_rlc.bin | 02:23 |
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| qknight | works! nice | 03:10 |
| qknight | how to enable xfce4 on yocto? | 03:11 |
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| qknight | i don't understand why this is not mentioned in meta-xfce ... | 03:16 |
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| qknight | funny thing: i attached a usb keyboard to the yocto host and i can't type anything | 03:28 |
| qknight | Starting Bootlog daemon: bootlogd: cannot allocate pseudo tty: No such file or directory | 03:28 |
| qknight | lsusb shows the keyboard and log shows: resize: can't open terminal /dev/tty | 03:29 |
| parrot2 | hello, I'm trying to bake a recipe for darktable and it complains about perl missing. I already put RDEPENDS_${PN} = "perl" but the error persists. Any idea? | 03:30 |
| parrot2 | Error log at http://pastebin.com/QzAH5zN8 | 03:30 |
| qknight | parrot2: DEPENDS = "libfribidi libtool libgcrypt gst-plugins-bad virtual/libsdl \ | 03:32 |
| qknight | parrot2: you have to add it to DEPENDS instead of RDEPENDS_ | 03:32 |
| qknight | parrot2: if the package, for instance when doing the installation, or later in the system should have perl | 03:33 |
| parrot2 | you mean perl or the items you posted? | 03:33 |
| qknight | parrot2: this was an example from vlc.inc | 03:33 |
| qknight | parrot2: try to add perl there | 03:33 |
| qknight | parrot2: into the DEPENDS | 03:34 |
| parrot2 | qknight: hmm...I tried DEPENDS = "perl" but still the same thing | 03:34 |
| qknight | parrot2: can you paste the whole file? | 03:35 |
| qknight | paste.debian.com | 03:35 |
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| parrot2 | qknight: sorry for the slow reply but here you go http://pastebin.com/0DJeyKC3 | 05:20 |
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| parrot2 | I cant access paste.debian.com for some reason | 05:21 |
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| parrot2 | bluelightning: ping | 06:41 |
| bluelightning | morning parrot2, all | 06:41 |
| parrot2 | bluelightning: good morning. This time I need help. I'm trying to bake a recipe for darktable and it complains about perl missing. I already put RDEPENDS_${PN} = "perl" but the error persists. Any idea? | 06:42 |
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| parrot2 | Here's my recipe. Ignore the piglit related comments since I largely took the recipe from piglit and modified it a bit. http://pastebin.com/0DJeyKC3 | 06:43 |
| parrot2 | and of course the error log http://pastebin.com/QzAH5zN8 | 06:43 |
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| bluelightning | parrot2: RDEPENDS is for runtime dependencies though, this is looking for perl at build time | 06:45 |
| bluelightning | parrot2: it could be that you need to inherit perlnative also | 06:45 |
| bluelightning | (I say "also" - I can't tell but maybe it does also need perl at runtime, you'd need to double-check that if you haven't already) | 06:46 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 07:00 |
| abelal | morning bluelightning | 07:01 |
| bluelightning | morning mckoan, abelal | 07:03 |
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| parrot2 | bluelightning: sorry for the slow reply. I inherited perlnative and it no longer complains about perl. Well it still complains about libgphoto2 but at least we made progress | 07:16 |
| bluelightning | parrot2: \o/ | 07:18 |
| parrot2 | do we have libgphoto2 here? | 07:20 |
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| bluelightning | parrot2: in meta-oe I believe | 07:29 |
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| bluelightning | parrot2: yep: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=gphoto2 | 07:33 |
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| parrot2 | bluelightning: thanks for being my saviour ...again...but it looks like I'm starting to get into a dependency hell.. | 07:34 |
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| parrot2 | How do you guys deal with SRC_URI whose app has sourceforge as its download server? | 09:04 |
| CTtpollard | I tend to find a mirror if possible | 09:07 |
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| parrot2 | CTtpollard: suppose if I have found my preferred mirror, how can we get the direct http link that we can assign to SRC_URI? | 09:11 |
| CTtpollard | can you give me your example? | 09:12 |
| parrot2 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/lensfun/files/0.3.1/lensfun-0.3.1.tar.gz/download | 09:12 |
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| Ox4 | u-boot part II (day 2) :) | 09:20 |
| bluelightning | parrot2: git grep SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR for lots of examples | 09:20 |
| parrot2 | bluelightning: hmm..that command returns nothing :-( Are you suggesting that every sourceforge mirror has a git repo? | 09:23 |
| bluelightning | parrot2: I mean run that in the base of your poky/oe-core checkout | 09:24 |
| bluelightning | parrot2: if you don't use "git grep" already, you should ;) | 09:24 |
| CTtpollard | +1 | 09:24 |
| parrot2 | bluelightning: what does git grep do? | 09:25 |
| parrot2 | btw now that command returns a lot of things which I should be able to make sense of | 09:25 |
| bluelightning | parrot2: searches all of the files tracked in the git repository for the specified regex | 09:26 |
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| parrot2 | bluelightning: ah nice..... | 09:27 |
| parrot2 | thanks bluelightning and CTtpollard . Learned a new thing today ;-) | 09:27 |
| bluelightning | np :) | 09:27 |
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| abelal | bluelightning: can you please shed some insight on "An auto generated BSP description was used, this normally indicates a misconfiguration." | 10:25 |
| abelal | my bsp uses the linux-yocto | 10:26 |
| abelal | and it was created through the bsp layer generation tool | 10:26 |
| abelal | so I have all the required sccs and stuff | 10:26 |
| bluelightning | abelal: the check is here: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/tree/meta/classes/kernel-yocto.bbclass#n295 | 10:27 |
| abelal | secondly I can see build-mf/tmp/work-shared/<machine>/kernel-source/.kernel-meta/top_tgt | 10:27 |
| bluelightning | I'm not familiar with that area of the code at all but maybe you can make better sense of it | 10:28 |
| abelal | and it lists the base scc file | 10:28 |
| abelal | hmmmm | 10:28 |
| abelal | i'll have a look | 10:28 |
| abelal | bluelightning: thanks :) | 10:28 |
| abelal | bluelightning: what's bruce ashfields handle on IRC? | 10:28 |
| bluelightning | abelal: zeddii | 10:29 |
| bluelightning | he's here, but not sure if he's awake/around yet | 10:29 |
| abelal | hmmm whois says he's idling for 7 days now | 10:30 |
| abelal | zeddii: ping | 10:30 |
| abelal | bluelightning: thanks again :) | 10:30 |
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| Ox4 | guys, I added u-boot_%.bbapend with following content: http://dpaste.com/2NHYXQ6 , but when I do bitbake u-boot it fetches v2015.07+gitAUTOINC+33711bdd4a-r0 | 11:07 |
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| joshuagl | you have a typo in your filename | 11:08 |
| joshuagl | two p's in append | 11:08 |
| Ox4 | 205 Oct 21 14:03 u-boot_%.bbappend | 11:09 |
| joshuagl | and `bitbake-layers show-appends` lists your append? | 11:12 |
| raykinsella78 | how do I build a specific version of a package - grub for instance? | 11:13 |
| jku | does that % actually work in filenames? | 11:13 |
| joshuagl | it does | 11:13 |
| CTtpollard | raykinsella78: provide / find a recipe for it | 11:13 |
| raykinsella78 | CTtpollard: huh? | 11:14 |
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| joshuagl | jku: https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/1.8/bitbake-user-manual/bitbake-user-manual.html#append-bbappend-files | 11:15 |
| Ox4 | joshuagl: u-boot_2015.07.bb: | 11:16 |
| Ox4 | /home/vadimi/yocto/poky/firmware/meta-powerbeacon/recipes-bbappend/u-boot/u-boot_%.bbappend | 11:16 |
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| jku | raykinsella78: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/1.8/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#var-PREFERRED_VERSION | 11:16 |
| raykinsella78 | jku: thanls! | 11:17 |
| joshuagl | Ox4: when you say it "fetches v2015.07+gitAUTOINC+33711bdd4a-r0" what do you mean? | 11:20 |
| Ox4 | joshuagl: sorry, I have already understood. It fetches the source from my repo but prints out v2015.07+git... :) | 11:21 |
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| Ox4 | guys, could somebody help me with building u-boot: http://dpaste.com/0GCEB5V ? I have a script with which u-boot is build fine on my local machine. Here it is: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/yPqjOTVTNSPPFo1wcBpK/ $opt is "PowerBeacon" | 11:52 |
| Ox4 | and here is the bbappend file of mine: http://dpaste.com/3K300EJ | 11:54 |
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| Ox4 | why the .config is not found? | 12:06 |
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| Ox4 | well, I found the problem. The pb_am3874_defconfig should be before all env fw_validation | 12:45 |
| Ox4 | but I don't know how to place it before :-( | 12:45 |
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| Ox4 | EXTRA_OEMAKE_append just place my parameters in this order: env fw_validation pb_am3874_defconfig | 12:46 |
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| frsc__ | Ox4: maybe you try EXTRA_OEMAKE_prepend instead | 12:52 |
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| Ox4 | frsc__: it doesn't work. I don't see my parameters at all | 13:14 |
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| qknight | is there a manual how to create a patch which can be applied in the SRC_URI = " \ file://0004-mozbug746112-no-decommit-on-large-pages.patch;patchdir=../../ \ section? | 13:59 |
| CTtpollard | qknight: you'll probably want to do a bbappend | 14:00 |
| qknight | right now it is about to create the patch | 14:01 |
| qknight | i don't have it yet | 14:01 |
| CTtpollard | oh, you mean you want to create a patch, and then apply it with the recipe? | 14:01 |
| qknight | CTtpollard: yes | 14:02 |
| qknight | http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2015-September/182546.html <- like this | 14:02 |
| qknight | but that patch from there does not apply | 14:02 |
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| CTtpollard | so, you can create your patch on top of the commit used in the recipe in git, then take that patch file and place in in a subdir of the recipe, and and the file name to the recipe as you showed originally | 14:03 |
| lpapp_ | hi, when I say "chown nic:nic -R ${D}/opt/foo" in my do_install_append, does that mean that it will override the permissions on files under /opt/foo on the rootfs, coming from another package of another recipe? | 14:04 |
| qknight | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12885819/ <- this is my patch and it fails with Patch fix-the-compile-error-of-powerpc64.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) | 14:04 |
| ndec | ${D} is just your package. | 14:04 |
| lpapp_ | ok, so perhaps I ought to move that chown logic to the image creation step? | 14:05 |
| qknight | CTtpollard: probably the easiest to use git format-patch | 14:05 |
| bluelightning | qknight: I forget which version of the build system you're using, but if it's 1.8 or newer then devtool tries to help a lot with this kind of workflow | 14:05 |
| lpapp_ | because in order to do that from various recipes, I would need to make sure that the user is already created at the stage of each package installation. | 14:05 |
| ndec | if you want to touch all files from the image, then yes. | 14:05 |
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| lpapp_ | which is not impossible from each offending recipes, but it is a bit messy | 14:05 |
| CTtpollard | qknight: yeh there's numerous ways to tell git to create a patch file | 14:05 |
| lpapp_ | which is not impossible from each offending recipe, but it is a bit messy.* | 14:05 |
| qknight | CTtpollard: i'm on poky with daisy meta-* repos | 14:06 |
| lpapp_ | we have this USERADD_PARAM_${PN}-foo = ... for the recipe in question. | 14:06 |
| bluelightning | qknight: ah ok, a bit too old for devtool then | 14:06 |
| CTtpollard | qknight: have you generated your patch off the top of the SHA1 defined in the recipe? | 14:07 |
| lpapp_ | so it is not possible from one recipe to rewrite the permissions in a directory recursively on the rootfs? | 14:07 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: you cannot do that from do_install; you could do it from a postinst script though | 14:07 |
| lpapp_ | ah, makes sense, yes, good idea. | 14:07 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: in a postinst script, definitely | 14:07 |
| lpapp_ | bluelightning: ROOTFS_POSTINSTALL_COMMAND does not allow inline code either? In other words, I will need to create a little function for this command? | 14:10 |
| lpapp_ | Furthermore, RPC will be executed after USERADD_PARAM_${PN}-foo? | 14:10 |
| lpapp_ | RPC means ROOTFS_POSTINSTALL_COMMAND. | 14:10 |
| simonl | a question on recipe/package versions: I have a package (i2c-tools) that I need a newer version of. I'd need the unreleased vcs version. Is there some guidelines for how to set PV to make bitbake prefer the vcs recipe while avoiding future trouble (once a new version is released)? | 14:10 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: by postinstall script I meant pkg_postinst for the recipe, not ROOTFS_POSTINSTALL_COMMAND (though you could alternatively do it there) | 14:11 |
| bluelightning | simonl: indeed there is: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#properly-versioning-pre-release-recipes | 14:12 |
| bluelightning | simonl: typically you would do it as PV = "lastreleasever+git${SRCPV}" | 14:13 |
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| qknight | CTtpollard: yes on top of GIT but i dont' use git, just cd'ed into the build directory where the vanialla .h file was | 14:14 |
| lpapp_ | bluelightning: so I have pkg_postinst_${PN}-foo () { chown foo:foo -R ${IMAGE_ROOTFS} } | 14:14 |
| lpapp_ | bluelightning: so I have pkg_postinst_${PN}-foo () { chown foo:foo -R ${IMAGE_ROOTFS}/opt/foo }* | 14:14 |
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| simonl | bluelightning: Thanks a ton! I guess "pre release" would have been a good search term :) | 14:14 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: not ${IMAGE_ROOTFS}, $D | 14:14 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: and I do mean $D _not_ ${D} | 14:15 |
| lpapp_ | but $D will also reflect on /opt/foo from other recipes? | 14:15 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: it's worth understanding the context in which a postinstall script runs | 14:16 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: it will be run after installing the package during image construction (or on the target when installing the package, if you are using package management on the target) | 14:17 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: so the context is the entire image, but only if that package is included | 14:17 |
| lpapp_ | so probably dropping the $D could help? | 14:18 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: no | 14:18 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: it won't work during image construction if you do that, it'll be deferred until first boot | 14:18 |
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| lpapp_ | $D is empty when installing it separately from the image? | 14:18 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: the environment variable D effectively gets set to ${IMAGE_ROOTFS} during image construction when calling the postinst scripts | 14:19 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: on the target it's not set | 14:19 |
| lpapp_ | ah, ok, thank you. | 14:19 |
| bluelightning | thus you can have postinst scripts that work properly in both contexts | 14:19 |
| bluelightning | when desired you can also force execution on first boot by checking if $D is set and doing "exit 1" if so | 14:19 |
| lpapp_ | it is interesting to read that I ought to strive for $D rather than ${D} as I see the latter used throughout our layer. | 14:20 |
| bluelightning | lpapp_: only in the context of postinst scripts | 14:20 |
| lpapp_ | hmm, alright, thanks. | 14:20 |
| bluelightning | ${D} is still what you should be using in do_install | 14:20 |
| bluelightning | that is the bitbake variable D, which is a different thing | 14:20 |
| bluelightning | though they are a vaguely similar concept perhaps | 14:21 |
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| lpapp_ | bluelightning: thanks, appreciated. | 14:23 |
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| T0mW | how do I set the REQUIRES within an rpm from a recipe? I have a new package that needs another installed along with it (dependancy) using smart. | 15:15 |
| T0mW | I tried RDEPENDS | 15:15 |
| T0mW | Do I use something like RREQUIRES_${PN} ? | 15:15 |
| rburton | did you use RDEPENDS_${PN}? | 15:17 |
| T0mW | I'll try it | 15:17 |
| T0mW | rburton: doesn't work. "rpm -qp --requires <blah>" doesn't list my requirement. I did clean + cleansstate before build so it should have built the rpm from scratch. | 15:20 |
| kergoth | that's what rdepends is for.. | 15:20 |
| bluelightning | RDEPENDS definitely gets translated to Requires in our rpm packaging code | 15:22 |
| bluelightning | you should even be able to see that in the spec file created within the workdir | 15:23 |
| T0mW | AHA! down at the bottom of my recipe is "RDEPENDS_${PN} = "base-files"", = not += | 15:24 |
| T0mW | thought I was going crazy, "it should work..." | 15:24 |
| bluelightning | bitbake -e recipename | less is useful for this kind of thing | 15:25 |
| T0mW | that did it, thank you | 15:26 |
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| kbingham | =Can I exclude the kernel from being built from my image? - I tried the obvious PACKAGE_EXCLUDE = "virtual/kernel" but it didn't work (after inherit core-image) | 16:27 |
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| kergoth | set RDEPENDS_kernel-base = "" to avoid installing the kernel image into the rootfs | 16:28 |
| kergoth | see also "How do I install/not-install the kernel image on the rootfs?" in the kernel dev manual in the yocto project docs | 16:28 |
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| raykinsella78 | if I change my PREFERRED_VERSION of gcc I expect it to trigger a complete rebuild but it doesn;t | 16:32 |
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| bluelightning | raykinsella78: I think we have a dedicated variable for that, what you're setting is probably being overridden | 16:34 |
| bluelightning | raykinsella78: the dedicated variable is GCCVERSION | 16:34 |
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| raykinsella78 | ok so I need to say GCCVERSION in local.conf? | 16:39 |
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| bluelightning | raykinsella78: I believe so yes | 16:40 |
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| * zeddii saw a IRC notification, but can't find it in history. who ever it was can email me .. a better medium for me to notice anyway. | 16:47 | |
| bluelightning | zeddii: https://www.yoctoproject.org/irc/%23yocto.2015-10-21.log.html#t2015-10-21T10:25:48 | 16:49 |
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| Crofton | # Hack for mesa + gcc5 failures | 16:54 |
| Crofton | GCCVERSION_armv7a="4.9.3" | 16:54 |
| Crofton | but he left :) | 16:54 |
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| Ulfalizer | how do the FILES_* variables get their default values? | 17:12 |
| Ulfalizer | as in, how is it done internally | 17:12 |
| Ulfalizer | FILES_* seems to include /usr/bin and other "standard" directories by default | 17:13 |
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| bluelightning | Ulfalizer: most of it comes from meta/conf/bitbake.conf | 17:17 |
| Ulfalizer | ahh, yeah, i see it | 17:19 |
| Ulfalizer | thanks | 17:19 |
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| grunzi | Hi i am trying to do this "bitbake image-multimedia-full". After a while it gives me this error " ERROR: User requested feature sdl configure was not able to find it. Install SDL devel" I am using Ubuntu 15.10 and this is the list of all packages that I have installed regarding SDL. | 17:25 |
| grunzi | libsdl-image1.2, | 17:25 |
| grunzi | libsdl-image1.2-dbg | 17:25 |
| grunzi | libsdl-image1.2-dev | 17:25 |
| grunzi | libsdl-mixer1.2 | 17:26 |
| grunzi | libsdl-mixer1.2-dev | 17:26 |
| grunzi | libsdl-net1.2 | 17:26 |
| grunzi | libsdl-net1.2-dev | 17:26 |
| grunzi | libsdl1.2-dbg | 17:26 |
| grunzi | libsdl1.2-dev | 17:26 |
| grunzi | libsdl1.2debian | 17:26 |
| grunzi | libsdl2-2.0-0 | 17:26 |
| grunzi | libsdl2-dbg | 17:26 |
| grunzi | libsdl2-dev | 17:26 |
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| grunzi | I don't know which sdl package I could install additionally. There is a second error message "ERROR: Task 4069 (virtual:native: ../mars/sources/poky/meta/recipes-devtools/qemu/qemu_2.2.0.bb, do_configure) failed with exit code '1'" So I tried "bitbake -b qemu_2.2.0.bb" which worked. But "bitbake image-multimedia-full" still won't work. So I tried "bitbake qemu" which ended with the error message ""ERROR: Task 587 (.../mars/sources/poky/meta/recipes-graphics | 17:26 |
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| rburton | grunzi: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8553 has a workaround | 17:32 |
| yocti | Bug 8553: normal, Medium+, 2.0, ross.burton, NEW , Image build fails on Ubuntu 15.10 | 17:32 |
| grunzi | ah ok thanks a lot. been looking for hours know | 17:33 |
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| qknight | i would like to clean deploy/images/mytarget/* but i don't want to loose the rpm files used to build the image(s) there | 17:38 |
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| qknight | bitbake -c clean TARGET <- will that only remove the fsl-image-x11-t4240rdb-64b-20151017185342.rootfs.ext2.gz and similar in deploy/images/mytarget/? | 17:39 |
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| Ulfalizer | when you add e.g. "nativesdk" to BBCLASSEXTEND in foo.bb and foo.bb DEPENDS on "bar", it's my understand that nativesdk-foo implicitly gets a nativesdk-bar dependency. how does that work internally? | 17:40 |
| Ulfalizer | *understanding | 17:40 |
| Ulfalizer | provided it's correct... | 17:41 |
| Ulfalizer | i'm trying to figure out which parts of bitbake are "magic" and which are defined in the metadata :P | 17:41 |
| kergoth | Ulfalizer: see nativesdk.bbclass | 17:44 |
| kergoth | Ulfalizer: it handles the dependency mapping | 17:44 |
| kergoth | all BBCLASSEXTEND does is tells bitbake to generate multiple recipes from one recipe, with each variant inheriting the specified bbclass | 17:44 |
| kergoth | then the bbclass does most of the rest | 17:44 |
| kergoth | the multilib bits are slightly more complex, that's similar, but lets a single bbclass be responsible for generating *multiple* recipe variants instead of just one | 17:45 |
| kergoth | multilib.bbclass generates a new recipe for each multilib:<name> in bbclassextend, iirc | 17:45 |
| Ulfalizer | yeah, i don't even know what the multilib stuff does | 17:45 |
| kergoth | multilib:lib32 causes lib32-<recipe name> to be emitted | 17:45 |
| kergoth | then the tuning bits know what to do with that to change the tuning in use (DEFAULTTUNE) | 17:46 |
| kergoth | again almost entirely in the metadata | 17:46 |
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| kergoth | but in bitbake it's similar to how simpler bbclassextends are handled | 17:46 |
| kergoth | if you want background on how bitbake works, the chapter elizabeth flanigan wrote for the architecture of open source software book may be of interest | 17:46 |
| * kergoth suspects we could still use some more conceptual bits in the yocto project docs | 17:47 | |
| Ulfalizer | so the only magic with BBCLASSEXTEND is that it acts as-if you had multiple recipes native-myrecipe.bb, nativesdk-myrecipe.bb, etc., each inheriting the same class as in the prefix? | 17:47 |
| kergoth | exactly | 17:48 |
| Ulfalizer | okay, that makes sense then | 17:48 |
| Ulfalizer | yeah, i should read that one | 17:49 |
| kergoth | then the bbclass is what implements the real changes for that variant | 17:50 |
| kergoth | i also highly recommend pretty much everyone, at some point, read bitbake.conf and base.bbclass. all the main variables and tasks are defined there for all recipes | 17:51 |
| kergoth | not directly applicable, but useful background | 17:51 |
| Ulfalizer | yeah, i've already looked at them a bit | 17:52 |
| kergoth | note that native is actually a suffix on the recipe name, whereas nativesdk is a prefix. inconsistent, but it's due to history | 17:53 |
| kergoth | i.e. foo-native, nativesdk-foo | 17:53 |
| Ulfalizer | how's the purpose of the meta-openembedded/ layer different from the meta/ layers's btw? is the former one "additional non-core openembedded stuff"? | 17:54 |
| Ulfalizer | ahh, hadn't noticed that. yeah, that's a bit confusing. :) | 17:54 |
| Ulfalizer | s/how's/what's/ | 17:54 |
| Ulfalizer | err | 17:54 |
| Ulfalizer | scrap that | 17:54 |
| psidhu | who decides when webkitgtk version is bumped? there's an upstream patch that fixes a build issue, but I'm not sure if I should bump the recipe version or add the upstream patch to the current version (khem, it seems you might have some insight to this) | 17:55 |
| Ulfalizer | my understanding is that meta/ has recipes from openembedded. so what's meta-openembedded? | 17:55 |
| kergoth | meta is from oe-core, oe-core is meant to be a stable, well tested baseline that everyone can share | 17:55 |
| kergoth | it's shared by the yocto project and other oe-based projects | 17:55 |
| kergoth | the intent was companies could collaborate on such a baseline and thereby avoid wasting money reinventing that part so they can focus on where they really differentiate | 17:56 |
| kergoth | meta-openembedded is basically everything not considered core which doesn't already fit into another focused layer | 17:56 |
| Ulfalizer | ok, kinda what i thought. thanks. | 17:56 |
| kergoth | specifically the meta-oe layer inside meta-openembedded is basically just a pool of random recipes that don't hae anywhere better to live :) | 17:57 |
| Ulfalizer | perhaps more layers could have a README in them to explain what they are | 17:58 |
| kergoth | yocto is an umbrella project that includes a buildsystem component, which is poky. poky is both an integration repository which includes bitbake, oe-core, meta-yocto, etc together, and a reference distribution for hte yocto project (that's in meta-yocto) | 17:58 |
| kergoth | probably, yes | 17:58 |
| Ulfalizer | meta/ was pretty confusing first time i saw it. looked like an "unnamed" layer. :) | 17:58 |
| kergoth | yeah, it's really a subdir of oe-core, so my guess was 'core' or 'meta-core' seemed redundant, but it'd be nice to have that for clarity, particularly since it's also pulled into poky | 17:59 |
| * kergoth shrugs, wasn't the one making those calls | 17:59 | |
| kergoth | naming is a concern as well, i.e. meta-yocto should really be meta-poky, to avoid yocto vs poky naming confusion | 17:59 |
| Ulfalizer | yeah, i think i remember being confused about that too | 18:00 |
| Ulfalizer | exactly what poky is is still a bit confusing :P | 18:00 |
| kergoth | most are at first. yocto, poky, oe-core, bitbake, meta-oe, lots of components and not everyone knows how it fits together | 18:00 |
| Ulfalizer | distribution, build system, etc. | 18:00 |
| kergoth | i just described that :) | 18:00 |
| kergoth | "yocto is an umbrella project that includes a buildsystem component, which is poky. poky is both an integration repository which includes bitbake, oe-core, meta-yocto, etc together, and a reference distribution for the yocto project (that's in meta-yocto)" | 18:01 |
| kergoth | using the name for two things doesn't help.. | 18:01 |
| Ulfalizer | ah, sorry, missed it | 18:01 |
| kergoth | np | 18:01 |
| kergoth | but yes, common source of confusion, it's a work in progress to clarify such things | 18:01 |
| Crofton | where is that quote? | 18:01 |
| Ulfalizer | i'd like some more conceptual "under-the-hood" stuff in the manual, but i'm not sure if other people's brains work like mine | 18:02 |
| Crofton | this poky build system must die | 18:02 |
| kergoth | the description of yocto and poky was me quoting myself from about 5 minutes ago. not sure what the ofifcial material states | 18:02 |
| Ulfalizer | i tend to be a bit ocd about understanding how stuff works | 18:02 |
| Ulfalizer | other people seem to get by without it :P | 18:02 |
| kergoth | Ulfalizer: some folks work bottom-up, so want details first and concepts later, and other folks want high level concepts first and details later, and some folks don't learn well by reading at all.. | 18:02 |
| kergoth | presumably hard to address everything | 18:02 |
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| kergoth | but yocto project does have technical writers working on the docs, thank god | 18:03 |
| kergoth | that's a major lack in most open source projects | 18:03 |
| kergoth | I think the docs could still use some more conceptual information | 18:03 |
| Ulfalizer | yeah, i'm definitely bottom-up. high-level stuff feels wishy-washy until i get the lower-level details. | 18:03 |
| kergoth | i.e. I'm not sure that our orthogonal axes of distro, machine, and image are well documented anywhere at this point | 18:03 |
| kergoth | except possibly posts by me or koen | 18:03 |
| Crofton | +2 | 18:03 |
| Crofton | We need to create a real BSP guide explaining that | 18:04 |
| kergoth | oh, yes, we need good docs on creating a new bsp as well as creating and maintaining a distro at some point | 18:04 |
| Crofton | and explaining how we expect a BSP to behave, ie all overrides do not imapct other machines | 18:05 |
| Crofton | so many people assume you only have one bsp active at a time | 18:05 |
| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #230 of nightly-oe-selftest is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/main/builders/nightly-oe-selftest/builds/230 | 18:06 | |
| Ulfalizer | which parts of the parsing process are "file-specific" by the way? e.g., which parts would work differently if you just merged all the parsed files together into a single file? | 18:06 |
| Ulfalizer | ignoring that some files must exist. could just have those contain the absolute minimum. | 18:07 |
| Ulfalizer | *i.e. | 18:07 |
| kergoth | configuration metadata is global, affects all recipes, and that flows down into the individual recipes | 18:07 |
| kergoth | hte config files could be one file and it wouldn't change much, but recipes are separate. bbclasses are inherited by recipes, but inherit is really just a special purpose include/require, anything in a bbclass could go directly into the recipe as well | 18:08 |
| Ulfalizer | would copy-pasting the bbclass into the position where it's inherited work? | 18:09 |
| Ulfalizer | or is there more magic to it than that? | 18:09 |
| Ulfalizer | might have to move it to the end i guess... | 18:09 |
| kergoth | did my 3 messages about inherit go through? got disconnected | 18:11 |
| Ulfalizer | nope, didn't see anything | 18:12 |
| kergoth | inherit is an immediate operation, like include or require | 18:12 |
| Ulfalizer | "...anything in a bbclass could go directly into the recipe as well" was the last one | 18:13 |
| kergoth | so right at that position would be ocrrect | 18:13 |
| kergoth | what you put before vs after a bbclass can have an effect | 18:13 |
| * kergoth has always disliked this imperative vs declarative behavioral confusion | 18:13 | |
| Ulfalizer | so it's like an include/require, only with different look-up rules for the file? | 18:13 |
| kergoth | inherit == require classes/<name>.bbclass + a bit of caching to avoid duplicate inherits, pretty much | 18:14 |
| Ulfalizer | ok, that makes it much less magic :) | 18:14 |
| Ulfalizer | +seem | 18:14 |
| kergoth | also there's the handling of EXPORT_FUNCTIONS, which generates stubs to let you e.g. write 'autotools_do_configure' in autotools.bbclass, then EXPORT_FUNCTIONS do_configure will generate a do_configure that runs autotools_do_configure | 18:14 |
| kergoth | this lets you then write a custom do_configure and manually call autotools_do_configure | 18:15 |
| kergoth | basically our rigged together inheritence mechanism, like overriding a method in a subclass | 18:15 |
| * kergoth not entirely happy with how we implemented that either, but it is useful | 18:15 | |
| Ulfalizer | yeah, i remember asking about that a few days ago :) | 18:16 |
| Ulfalizer | are configuration files parsed differently compared to recipes/classes? | 18:20 |
| Ulfalizer | i guess disallowing python/shell functions might make sense there... | 18:20 |
| Ulfalizer | but then again, maybe bitbake.conf has some code in it. can't remember... | 18:20 |
| jmesmon | Ulfalizer: note that BBCLASSEXTEND has magic that makes it different from concatenation | 18:20 |
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| kergoth | yeah, there's two different parsers | 18:21 |
| kergoth | scroll up, we went over bbclassextend a few minutes ago :) | 18:21 |
| Ulfalizer | how do they differ? i guess most parts would be shared. | 18:22 |
| * jmesmon hides in shame | 18:22 | |
| Ulfalizer | :P | 18:22 |
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| Ulfalizer | nope, no code in bitbake.conf | 18:23 |
| Ulfalizer | except ${@ stuff, but i'm not counting that | 18:24 |
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| kergoth | mainly inherit and functions/tasks are recipe specific | 18:29 |
| kergoth | / class specific | 18:29 |
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| Ulfalizer | what happens if you try to use them in configuration files? i still don't have a linux box due to the moving company being slow. :P | 18:32 |
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| Ulfalizer | not that it's hugely important to know | 18:33 |
| kergoth | it'll just give a parsing error. unrecognized lines in teh file | 18:36 |
| Ulfalizer | okay | 18:37 |
| kergoth | the separation can be kind of irritating at times, actually | 18:37 |
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| Ulfalizer | how does it work internally? some kind of "context" variable and some checks on that when encountering a function/inherit? | 18:42 |
| ulf` | wtf | 18:42 |
| ulf` | Ulfalizer! | 18:42 |
| ulf` | No one Ulfalizers me | 18:42 |
| ulf` | ;) | 18:43 |
| Ulfalizer | you should steal ulfenstein. i used to use that. :P | 18:44 |
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| kergoth | Ulfalizer: bitbake chooses which python file parser to use based on file extension. see bitbake/lib/bb/parse/parse_py/ConfHandler.py and the BBHandler | 18:48 |
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| Ulfalizer | probably excessive, but a small optimization there might be to assign the match() method directly, like __include_regexp_match__ = re.compile(...).match, and then __include_regexp_match__(s). i've written a parser for a configuration language in python, and i think that gained a few % on the runtime for me. | 18:53 |
| Ulfalizer | but depends on where the bottleneck is. might be completely insignificant. :P | 18:53 |
| kergoth | not a bad idea, woul dneed to profile | 18:53 |
| kergoth | we have a lot of places we could improve performance, not sure if that part is significant or not | 18:53 |
| kergoth | using regex in general isn't ideal | 18:54 |
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| Ulfalizer | i used a regex/manual mix in the end | 18:54 |
| kergoth | the oe-lite folks wrote a PLY-based parser, but they've since changed the file format substantially, so couldn't use it as is | 18:55 |
| kergoth | Any folks around that know git well? Could use input on https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7958#c13 | 18:58 |
| yocti | Bug 7958: enhancement, Medium, 2.1, kergoth, IN PROGRESS DESIGN , Implement shallow git clone functionality | 18:58 |
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| kergoth | Hmm, I don't really like that a failure to tar the git repo results in a "fetch error" and that cauess it to fall back to mirrors, which could end up doing the same steps that led to the first failure | 20:03 |
| kergoth | would be nice if the mirror tarball generation was a separate operation | 20:04 |
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| rburton1 | kergoth: g'wan, rewrite the fetcher | 20:35 |
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| kergoth | hmm, wonder if it'd be worth using platform.dist() rather than lsb_release for the native distro string | 20:43 |
| kergoth | would avoid one host dependency | 20:43 |
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| clsulliv | parrot2: do you happen to have or can point to a beignet recipe I can use? | 21:39 |
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| tripzero1 | anyone tried building poky (or similar) on ubuntu 15.10 yet? I'm getting errors when compiling qemu-native | 22:38 |
| tripzero1 | "Error: User requested feature sdl configure was not able to find it. Install sdl devel" | 22:38 |
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| kergoth | either install the sdl development packages, or edit local.conf and remove the qemu sdl lines | 22:50 |
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| tripzero | i've built libsdl-native | 22:53 |
| tripzero | isn't that all qemu-native needs? | 22:59 |
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| kergoth | check the qemu documentation, i'd say | 23:00 |
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| tripzero | Odd that this error would suddenly pop-up after a distribution upgrade | 23:12 |
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