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ChrP | Hello, is there someone in here who can help me with a problem I have while using bitbake to build Yocto? | 00:29 |
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Crofton|work | I suspect you are tryin gto build Poky with openEMbedded :) | 00:30 |
Crofton|work | but what exactly is the error? | 00:30 |
ChrP | Well, the issue is, I'm trying to build it with dwarf 3 debugging info instead of dwarf 4, but I just cannot get it to compile with dwarf 3 | 00:31 |
ChrP | it always ends up either failing or building with dwarf 4 | 00:31 |
Crofton|work | hmm, I don't know much about that | 00:31 |
Crofton|work | but maybe someon eelse does | 00:31 |
ChrP | have been trying quite long already to get it to work, but without avail :( | 00:32 |
Crofton|work | I've never even heard anyone ask that before | 00:33 |
* kergoth also knows nothing about changing the debugging info | 00:33 | |
fledermaus | you should probably open by saying what you did to try and get dwarf 3. | 00:33 |
* deviosity is glad I'm not the only one confused by this one. | 00:34 | |
fledermaus | as it is you've only stated your aim, not what you actually did, and you may not be doing what you think you're trying to do, iyswim. | 00:34 |
ChrP | sure, let me explain | 00:34 |
ChrP | I've built the yocto project with the help of the quickstart, without any special adjustments and this build just fine, however, it builds with the use of dwarf 4 (seeing as that's the standard in gcc) | 00:36 |
ChrP | to adjust this, I've looked around and some people suggested adding/changing flags in the bitbake.conf file, so that you tell the compiler to build with the dwarf 3 debugging info | 00:37 |
ChrP | these flags would be BUILD_CFLAGS, CFLAGS, TARGET_CFLAGS | 00:37 |
kergoth | to start with, you should never need to touch bitbake.conf, you can do everything from local.conf just fine. but tell us exactly what changes you made to those flags | 00:38 |
ChrP | I added -gdwarf-3 | 00:38 |
kergoth | there's no need to mess with the flags directly either | 00:39 |
kergoth | we have a variable for this | 00:39 |
kergoth | DEBUG_FLAGS ?= "-g -feliminate-unused-debug-types" | 00:39 |
kergoth | just set DEBUG_FLAGS in local.conf to whatever you want | 00:39 |
ChrP | so, like DEBUG_FLAGS = "-gdwarf-3"? | 00:39 |
ChrP | in local.conf? | 00:40 |
kergoth | yep | 00:41 |
ChrP | sure, let me try that | 00:41 |
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ChrP | maybe silly question, but is there a way to quickly see that it works, without building entire yocto? | 00:44 |
fledermaus | build just one of the early recipes, I guess. | 00:44 |
ChrP | sure, thanks in advance guys, if it works you'll be my heroes :D | 00:46 |
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Crofton|work | good luck | 00:53 |
* armpit wonders if I would get reprimanded if I log a bug from OSS that contained the F word | 01:13 | |
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mrKonge | What is the cleanest way to add a static ip to boot configuration? Should an existing recipe be appended, or should one create a recipe that installs a custom interfaces file? | 08:16 |
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frsc | mrKonge: use a bbappend for init-ifupdown recipe with your custom interfaces file. See for example: https://github.com/netmodule/meta-netmodule-extras/tree/master/recipes-core/init-ifupdown | 08:27 |
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DatGizmo | Morning, does somebody have time to help me figure out why a kernel config option I wan't to disable is set back to 'y'? | 09:53 |
DatGizmo | I see a message in the missing_required.cfg where it tells me that the 'Acural value set: "CONFIG_MXC_GPU_VIV=y"' | 09:54 |
DatGizmo | But I have no idea how to figure out, why the option is reenabled during the config step | 09:54 |
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aragua | DatGizmo, maybe another kernel features enabled depends on it | 09:57 |
aragua | what recipe, version do you use? | 09:58 |
DatGizmo | aragua yocot is version 2.0, and our recipe is based on the linux-yocto.inc | 09:59 |
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DatGizmo | aragua: My problem is, I have no idea how to find out which other config option need the one I want to disable | 10:00 |
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aragua | try bitbake -c menuconfig virtual/kernel and help give the dependencies | 10:01 |
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aragua | but if you disable the option , quit and then do bitbake -c diffconfig v/k then you must have a correct defconfig | 10:03 |
DatGizmo | In the help for MXC_GPU_VIV I only see, which dependencies this config option has. But I need to know wich other config options have MXC_GPU_VIV as a dependency. | 10:03 |
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aragua | ok and if you search for MXC_GPU_VIV , all features depending on it should be displayed | 10:07 |
DatGizmo | wired... the search has only the config option as a result... | 10:10 |
aragua | arf | 10:10 |
aragua | ok | 10:10 |
aragua | do you use a standard defconfig or a custom | 10:11 |
DatGizmo | In the recipe I use KCONFIG_MODE="--alldefconfig" and KBUILD_DEFCONFIG_mx6 ?= "imx_v6_v7_defconfig" | 10:12 |
DatGizmo | And some config fragments to en/disable specific config options | 10:13 |
aragua | did you verifiy with bitbake -e v/k that your fragment is used? | 10:14 |
DatGizmo | yes, it is used, another option i'm disabeling in the fragment works just fine. | 10:15 |
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DatGizmo | oh I don't belive it... the config option is hard set to 'y' in a classfile in another layer I need to use. | 10:24 |
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aragua | this is the drawback of the concept | 10:25 |
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DatGizmo | at least I know now why the option keept setting back to y. | 10:25 |
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DatGizmo | aragua: thanks for your help :) | 10:25 |
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jani | sorry if this is too noobish question but im getting "no such file or directory" when i tried run some binaries on jetson pro running on yocto/genivi. Binary is compiled with proper arch, no libraries missing reported ldd either from the actual binary and from 3rd party libs the binaries depend on .. | 10:40 |
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ilgios | hi everybody | 10:40 |
ilgios | can someone help me? i'm looking for a nagios recipes for dizzy | 10:41 |
ilgios | i googled with unsuccess | 10:41 |
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aragua | maybe try https://github.com/redoop/meta-redoop/tree/master/recipes-monitoring/nagios | 11:01 |
aragua | and adapt depending on issue | 11:01 |
aragua | ilgios, ^ | 11:01 |
aragua | jani, can you be more precise about what do you do to have this error | 11:02 |
ilgios | thanks, aragua. i try | 11:03 |
jani | aragua: solved it .. i was trying to run a binary - found a reason, it was compiled with sfp, not hf. | 11:06 |
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Antagonist | | /home/charl/workspace/fsl-community-bsp/build-ar6mxq/tmp/work-shared/gcc-4.9.2-r0/gcc-4.9.2/libgfortran/../libgcc/gthr.h:148:26: fatal error: gthr-default.h: No such file or directory << Anyone know why 'bitbake libgfortran' fails? Using fido | 11:57 |
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Antagonist | gthr-default.h exists in tmp/work and in the sysroot, so its not like it doesn't exist | 12:12 |
Antagonist | Is there any nice hack to add a -Ifolder into a .bbappend? | 12:13 |
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sujith_h | There is a comment I read in bb/server/xmlrpc.py "# we don't allow connections if the cooker is running " | 12:53 |
sujith_h | Is there any issue if we allow connections when cooker is running? | 12:53 |
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PaowZ_ | hi there ! Regarding BB_NUMBER_THREADS and PARALLEL_MAKE, are these values to be set in local.conf ? | 13:36 |
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CTtpollard | PaowZ_: you can yes | 13:39 |
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PaowZ_ | CTtpollard: thks. | 13:42 |
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sujith_h | PaowZ_: I was wondering the reason for that. Just asking :) | 14:08 |
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PaowZ_ | sujith_h: regarding what ? the use of these defines or where to add them ? | 14:09 |
t0mmy | 1 | 14:12 |
sujith_h | I was trying to use xmlrc.py's connect function ( In class BitBakeXMLRPCServerConnection) which was failing. Debugging a bit I found that its because of the if condition in registerEventHandler | 14:12 |
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RP | sujith_h: "running" is a cooker state where a build is in progress | 14:16 |
RP | sujith_h: it doesn't make sense to allow more connections once something is in progress like that | 14:16 |
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RP | sujith_h: This is related to memory resident bitbake where you wouldn't want to allow knotty to connect to the same server multiple times and try and control it. We did start to create the notion of a read only connection but that work is only partially developed iirc. What issue are you seeing more specifically? | 14:17 |
sujith_h | RP: I am trying to implement cancellation of build from toaster. While doing so, when I call the connect function from class BitBakeXMLRPCServerConnection, it was causing me trouble in registering event handler | 14:20 |
RP | sujith_h: doesn't toaster have an open command channel to the build that is running? | 14:20 |
RP | sujith_h: or are you saying toaster drops that connection once it starts the build? | 14:20 |
Crofton|work | zeddii, you awake? | 14:22 |
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sujith_h | RP: Toaster doesn't drop the connection. I was getting exception when I call establishConnection function which eventually calls connect and registerEventHandle. So I started wondering how to pass runCommand(["stateForceShutdown"]) to stop bitbake server | 14:24 |
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RP | sujith_h: how did toaster start the build? | 14:25 |
sujith_h | RP: it starts by executing command : bash -c 'source /home/sujith/build/poky-contrib/bitbake/bin/toaster restart-bitbake' | 14:26 |
RP | sujith_h: that is pretty horrible :( | 14:27 |
RP | sujith_h: so I'm guessing that starts bitbake using knotty as the controlling UI behind the scenes? | 14:27 |
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sujith_h | RP: I am not that sure about that.. :( | 14:29 |
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RP | sujith_h: I think we may need to enhance the code in bitbake to allow "take over" of a cooker instance if there are only readonly UIs connected, then make knotty connect as a read only UI | 14:33 |
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sujith_h | RP: ok | 14:36 |
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RP | halstead: autobuilder looks like it has diskspace issues | 17:53 |
halstead | RP, I cleared space and messages Ross who started the last build. | 17:54 |
RP | halstead: thanks! | 17:55 |
halstead | Thank you. | 17:55 |
RP | halstead: he's afk but I'll restart | 17:55 |
JaMa | halstead: any update on openembedded-commits ML? | 17:59 |
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halstead | JaMa, I think there are newer hooks to accomplish our goals with that. I'll switch and ask for your help testing. I don't want to leave it broken again. | 18:01 |
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JaMa | halstead: ok, thanks | 18:05 |
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Anarky | so about the problems I had with libdrm, now it is fixed when I use the Arago build environment | 18:16 |
Anarky | But now I have a problem with omapdrm-pvr and functions not defined in the kernel, can I get help here or should I write on Arago's mailing list? | 18:16 |
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denix | Anarky: SGX driver (omapdrm-pvr) is quite fragile and is currently in a transitional stage to get unified across our platforms. at the moment it requires specific kernel version. | 18:23 |
denix | Anarky: you can get more info on meta-ti list, if interested | 18:23 |
Anarky | denix: thank you for the information; so as of now, is it possible to have Qt5 (or kmscube) working for a TI A15 board? | 18:27 |
Anarky | denix: I have a lot of errors if I try to start kmscube, even pvrsrvinit doesn't seem to work | 18:28 |
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tripzero | why can't I menuconfig uclibc ? ERROR: uclibc was skipped: incompatible with host | 18:30 |
denix | Anarky: yes, Qt5 and kmscube work just fine on X15 platform - all that is part of our product offering | 18:30 |
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denix | Anarky: please send your specific errors to meta-ti list - we may be able to help you | 18:31 |
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Anarky | denix: oh, are you talking about the BeagleBord X15? I have both but I was trying with the OMAP5432 uEVM (A15) | 18:43 |
denix | Anarky: ah, haven't tried that on uEVM lately, but in general it should work | 18:45 |
Anarky | denix: ok, I'm trying with the X15 and will post the results | 18:46 |
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Anarky | denix: just to be sure, omapdrm-pvr and pvrsrvinit are necessary to load/start to get kmscube working? | 18:48 |
denix | yes | 18:48 |
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denix | should DEPENDS="virtual/kernel" cause the package to rebuild between machines? | 19:27 |
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bluelightning | morning all | 19:38 |
denix | bluelightning: NZ morning? :) | 19:39 |
bluelightning | denix: indeed, but also UGT ;) | 19:39 |
denix | bluelightning: ah, right :) | 19:40 |
denix | bluelightning: maybe you know the answer - should DEPENDS="virtual/kernel" cause the package to rebuild between machines? | 19:41 |
bluelightning | denix: it should I believe, are you finding it is or isn't? | 19:42 |
denix | bluelightning: it does. but then shouldn't all packages that depend on virtual/kernel be semi-automatically marked as machine-specific (PACKAGE_ARCH=MACHINE_ARCH)? | 19:45 |
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bluelightning | I don't think we have that functionality, though we probably ought to | 19:45 |
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bluelightning | IIRC that only happens automatically through machine-specific FILESOVERRIDES and SRC_URI | 19:46 |
deviosity | Is it possible to specify a different virtual/kernel recipe via an image recipe, or am I only stuck defining that in a machine definition? | 19:46 |
bluelightning | deviosity: I'm afraid that needs to be specified at the configuration level; the image cannot affect anything within other recipes - it only chooses the composition of the image | 19:47 |
denix | bluelightning: ok, I didn't mean to do it automatically, but in general, that's the correct way, right? should then recipes (such as ipsec-tools from meta-oe) be updated to make them machine-specific? | 19:47 |
deviosity | so either local.conf or via machine? Or is there another method I am missing | 19:48 |
kergoth | deviosity: there's effectively no difference from bitbake's perspective between local.conf and the machine. it's set in the configuration metadata either way | 19:48 |
kergoth | local.conf and ${MACHINE}.conf are both included by bitbake.conf | 19:48 |
kergoth | as bluelightning says, that's where it has to be set, at the configuration level | 19:49 |
bluelightning | denix: possibly yes - I do think we ought to have a wider look at this whole problem; ideally we wouldn't have to go around being explicit about PACKAGE_ARCH (and silly things like python recipes being arch-specific purely because they depend on python) | 19:49 |
deviosity | basically I need to maintain two different images, but they need different kernels due to differing functionality. | 19:49 |
kergoth | then you'll need two machines | 19:50 |
bluelightning | multiple kernel support is being discussed on the mailing list right now, as it happens | 19:50 |
denix | deception: either 2 machine configs or build in separate work directories and switch preferred provider | 19:50 |
kergoth | on an unrelated note, I threw together this prototype of something, but I can't decide if it's actually of any real use: https://github.com/kergoth/meta-named-configs-prototype#ii-usage, https://github.com/kergoth/meta-named-configs-prototype/blob/master/recipes-core/busybox/busybox_1.23.2.bbappend | 19:50 |
deviosity | that's what I thought, I was hoping there may have been some hidden secret somewhere. | 19:50 |
bluelightning | unfortunately it's rather complicated; just one issue is that there are lots of things that depend on files from the kernel in the sysroot - and which kernel should be used for that when there's more than one? | 19:51 |
denix | and yes, as bluelightning said, building multiple kernels for the same machine is being discussed on the list right now :) it's a hot topic it seems | 19:52 |
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bluelightning | kergoth: interesting - I had an idle thought about using BBCLASSEXTEND for this some years ago but it never went beyond that | 19:52 |
deviosity | Glad there is dialog around it, but unfortunately by the time it is implemented, I'll probably have the drivers I need ported or available in the mainline kernel. :) | 19:52 |
kergoth | bluelightning: the basics turned out to be quite simple (as seems to be often the case with that sort of thing). it adds the base recipe to PROVIDES and adds the base packages to RPROVIDES/RCONFLICTS/RREPLACES for all the parse time known packages. doesn't handle dynamic yet, planning to inject a packagefunc for that.. Tested building core-image-base with busybox-minimal instead of busybox, which worked after setting the appropriate VIRTUAL-RUNTIME | 19:54 |
mario-goulart | kergoth: s/propogate/propagate/ in https://github.com/kergoth/meta-named-configs-prototype#iii-limitations | 19:55 |
kergoth | I just don't know if it'd be useful in practice.. | 19:55 |
kergoth | ah, thanks | 19:55 |
mario-goulart | yw | 19:55 |
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deviosity | kergoth: super useful | 19:56 |
denix | bluelightning: as of kernel deps - would it be safe to add the specific kernel recipe name to ABISAFE list, as long as both machines use it from the same source tree with the same configuration? | 19:58 |
deviosity | I was just thinking how I would manage my u-boot configs, and custom files due to how the 3.x series kernels work versus the 4.x | 19:59 |
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RP | kergoth: that is interesting... | 20:02 |
RP | kergoth: did you see the <taskname>- patch? curious if you agree its a good thing or not... | 20:03 |
kergoth | haven't seen it, will take a look | 20:03 |
RP | kergoth: I keep getting asked for something like this but have held off until this idea of syntax came to mind... | 20:03 |
kergoth | the one thing i'm not sure about with the config variants thing is how to make it easy to switch back and forth at runtime with a feed. i think i'd need the rconflicts/rreplaces also set in the non-variant recipe, with the names of all the variants, otherwise i don't think you could switch back from a variant to the main recipe, and switching between variants could be problematic too unless they all refer to one another, but that's theoretical, untested | 20:04 |
kergoth | oh, that's interesting. so you could e.g. populate the sstate for an image without building the image itself | 20:04 |
RP | kergoth: right | 20:04 |
kergoth | seems like sane syntax, I like it | 20:05 |
RP | kergoth: It seems to fit the rest of the system, slightly crazy but effective :) | 20:05 |
kergoth | heh, indeed :) | 20:05 |
kergoth | The other thing I was experimenting with using bbclassextend to generate recipe variants was to cover a case where you can legally distribute binaries of something, but not its sources. so it generates variants to explicitly generate a tarball of the binary output and then use that in the binary-only variant, so your CI or release builds could explicitly build the source-to-binary variants and then ship the binary tarballs with the sources | 20:07 |
kergoth | haven't worked all the kinks out of that one yet | 20:07 |
RP | kergoth: changing named configs might not make too much sense with packagefeeds... | 20:07 |
RP | kergoth: you'd certainly not want to be doing that often | 20:07 |
RP | kergoth: the other way of solving the binary thing would be locked sstate objects in some form | 20:08 |
kergoth | I think it could be useful for folks that want to build images from feeds, just select your provider at that level | 20:08 |
RP | kergoth: agreed on that, but the system would uninstall any unwanted packages from the feed anyway | 20:08 |
kergoth | Hmm, that's true. But of course our locking system today only allows aborting a build on the checksum changing, not forcing their use despite the change :) | 20:09 |
RP | kergoth: the design actually allows you to force a checksum | 20:09 |
RP | kergoth: just nobody is doing that | 20:09 |
RP | I'm 99% sure I've done that locally during testing | 20:09 |
RP | kergoth: the named config thing reminds me of what I'd like to do with bitbake to extend to multiple configurations in one runqueue and finally get multimachine builds as a side effect | 20:10 |
RP | kergoth: the main problem is the syntax for it and the fact we'd have to support multiple data stores properly in the core | 20:10 |
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bluelightning | denix: I'm not sure they are completely ABI-safe in this case though | 20:10 |
RP | or the alternative is we make MACHINE and DISTRO very late includes instead of the way they work today I guess | 20:11 |
RP | then they'd become BBCLASSEXTEND capable | 20:11 |
kergoth | Hmm, yes, that does sound interesting. I'd worry about some of the remaining semi-global state we have, like the events system, unless the runqueues are handled in different processes. It could be interesting to attach the events to the metadata | 20:12 |
bluelightning | kergoth: force use despite checksum changing does work, at least last I tested it | 20:12 |
bluelightning | kergoth: the code doesn't have an explicit option for "don't warn" in that circumstance, but it turns out you can set the variable to any other value and that will be the result because it doesn't validate it ;) | 20:13 |
bluelightning | we should probably fix that | 20:13 |
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denix | bluelightning: by "this case" do you mean ipsec-tools specifically or dependency on kernel in general? | 20:16 |
kergoth | is force use global across all the locked checksums? if so, that'd be of somewhat limited usefulness, IMO. I think there are recipes I'd want to force, and recipes I'd want to fail if they change. For example, consider a case where we don't want rebuilds, and don't want the person downstream to be changing those things, but we want to allow forcing a single checksum to build a CVE fix for a single recipe. | 20:16 |
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bluelightning | denix: ipsec-tools... if it depends on interfaces in the kernel then it's not going to be safe against any changes in that interface | 20:17 |
bluelightning | denix: the problem with SIGGEN_EXCLUDERECIPES_ABISAFE is it effectively says there will be no ABI issue ever, which is hard to be sure of | 20:18 |
denix | bluelightning: we've discussed this topic before using oprofile as an example. khem was claiming it should be safe to re-use the same binary between kernels... unfortunately I ran out of time then and ended up with oprofile.bbappend to PACKAGE_ARCH=MACHINE_ARCH... | 20:21 |
bluelightning | denix: right, it's a long standing problem... I just think somewhere in here there's an architectural problem to be solved rather than band-aiding it every time it breaks, but I'm not quite sure how at the moment | 20:23 |
denix | bluelightning: ok, I see your point about ABISAFE - it will potentially mask real ABI changes for other packages... :( | 20:24 |
bluelightning | unfortunately yes | 20:25 |
bluelightning | there is also SIGGEN_EXCLUDE_SAFE_RECIPE_DEPS for specific relationships between two recipes, but that still has problems if that ABI ever changes in future | 20:26 |
denix | bluelightning: is there a bugzilla to track this "architectural problem" or should we start another discussion on the new Architecture list? :) | 20:27 |
bluelightning | there isn't... we probably ought to have one, although it would be nice to have some idea of how we might solve the issue first assuming it's practical to do so | 20:28 |
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denix | bluelightning: how does libc handle kernel ABI and any potential changes? it's not machine-specific... | 20:31 |
RP | that is the key part of the issue, its a question of a workable way of dealing with the problem | 20:31 |
RP | denix: libc has pretty strong version checks and is compiled to work with a certain kernel version range. The kernel syscall API is also pretty backwards compatible | 20:32 |
kergoth | I think the only viable option would be to have some sort of abi / output analysis / tracking so we can determine when a build resulted in changed output, but we'd need either pluggable methods to anlalyze different types of output, or we'd need fully bit-for-bit ReproducibleBuilds, or both | 20:32 |
RP | I know we've started looking at binary reproducible builds but it will be a long haul | 20:33 |
kergoth | debian is making good progress, but every single package needs fixing up on a per-package basis, it seems | 20:34 |
kergoth | well, not every, but a hell of a lot :) | 20:34 |
kergoth | they have good tools for comparing build output and stuff for that project though | 20:34 |
RP | kergoth: right, its going to take a while. We looked as we'd like to feed that data into PR Server | 20:34 |
denix | kergoth: any links to read up on that debian work? | 20:34 |
kergoth | https://reproducible.debian.net/, https://reproducible.debian.net/dbd/unstable/amd64/avrprog_0.2.2-2.diffoscope.html | 20:34 |
denix | thanks | 20:35 |
kergoth | https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds | 20:35 |
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kergoth | I think a good start would be to initiate a project to make bitbake able to dynamically adjust the runqueue based on some form of pluggable output check. assume everything needs to be rebuilt if something it depends on changes its input checksum, but break that point in the chain if its output is identical to previous | 20:37 |
kergoth | whether we just checksum the binaries or use some form of abi comparison, we'd need that either way | 20:37 |
kergoth | afaict anyway | 20:37 |
RP | kergoth: there is a bit of a conflict here since you really need to know what the task graph looks like in advance? Why? So you can build in parallel. For example if you need to build the git based recipe X, you need git-native and would want to build that in advance if you can | 20:39 |
RP | kergoth: not disagree, just saying that output based changes to the task graph are rather problematic :/ | 20:40 |
RP | kergoth: we have this issue with sstate too, we can't tell in advance which sstate will be available and therefore how much we need to download | 20:40 |
RP | e.g. if the sstate for X failed to unpack, we'd need git-native from sstate, otherwise we might not | 20:41 |
RP | which is why sstate doesn't download everything at once but does it in stages | 20:41 |
kergoth | I don't really see a problem with that. Assume its tasks are being rebuilt, so build or pull from sstate things like git-native, worst case we don't end up needing them if the graph gets short-circuited. It might not be perfect, but you'd still avoid rebuilding/building much | 20:43 |
* kergoth shrugs, clearly a lot would need to be worked out, non-trivial | 20:44 | |
RP | kergoth: my experiences with sstate suggest the amount that would be rebuilt or even downloaded from sstate is significant :/ | 20:45 |
RP | kergoth: as you say, a lot would need to be worked out, just sharing what I've seen... | 20:45 |
kergoth | the alternative would be to assume that the tasks depending on a changed task don't need to be rebuilt until we build it and check its output, but then you'd need to dynamically add to the runqueue, and you could potentially underuse your resources until those tasks are run, so they'd have to be prioritized. regardless, i'd expect it to be opt-in | 20:47 |
bluelightning | I'd definitely like to experiment with this; finding the time is a problem though | 20:49 |
RP | I suspect the best way of moving towards this would be to scrap the setscene stage and have that happen dynamically throughout the build | 20:50 |
RP | then the equailvalence of output becomes a mapping between two different sstate checksums effectively | 20:50 |
RP | what scares me is we once tried setscene dynamically in the build and it was a nightmare. Admittedly we have a lot better system to start with now at least | 20:51 |
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kergoth | hmm, odd, buildhistory-collect-srcrevs is emitting an srcrev for this recipe without specifying -a when the recipe has SRCREV set, it's not using AUTOREV | 23:02 |
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kergoth | ah, i see, it compares the unexpanded and expanded form, so any intermediate variable use in SRCREV causes it to be emitted by collect-srcrevs by default, autorev or no | 23:18 |
kergoth | good to know | 23:18 |
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