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| khem | sno: yes so I think it should be ok once 2.23 hits master | 05:32 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 09:03 |
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| rZr | hi, did you built current kernel for rpi ? | 09:08 |
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| behrad | I added met-{oe,python,networking} form openembeded layer to yocto for install squid. In build process of poky-tiny util-linux fail to compile. Did yokto 2.0 compatible with this layer|can any body guide me to fix error | 12:32 |
| behrad | -j #technotux | 12:37 |
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| janek | thanks rburton | 13:26 |
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| behrad | I added met-{oe,python,networking} form openembeded layer to yocto for install squid. In build process of poky-tiny util-linux fail to compile. Did yokto 2.0 compatible with this layer|can any body guide me to fix error | 13:49 |
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| JaMa | did you checkout jethro branch of it? | 13:52 |
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| behrad | JaMa, no i downloaded from layers.openembeded.org | 13:58 |
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| CTtpollard | behrad: checkout the jethro branch :) | 13:58 |
| behrad | CTtpollard, Thanks :) im newbie in yocto sorry :( | 13:59 |
| CTtpollard | behrad: aren't we all at some stage? :) | 14:00 |
| behrad | CTtpollard, yes thanks | 14:01 |
| Thorys | Cheers! When aiming for (m) multiple architectures in (having distinct board support layers) and (n) images, what is the suggested amount of build environments for that? Guesses from my side are m*n,m,n,1 :-) Hints highly appreciated! | 14:05 |
| JaMa | 1 | 14:06 |
| CTtpollard | I'd have an env for each arch, but not for each image | 14:07 |
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| Thorys | Thnx! I'll be a little more specific: is it suggested/no problem to add e.g. meta-raspberrypi and and another architecture/board layer to bblayers.conf? This would make the difference for me between the JaMa and CTpollard answers. | 14:10 |
| rburton | no problem | 14:10 |
| rburton | any problems you have are bugs in the bsp | 14:10 |
| rburton | (bsps should ensure that they don't modify anything unless its for the machines they target) | 14:11 |
| Thorys | okay, good to hear that, so I'll go that path and can consider problems due to this good questions/exercises :-) | 14:11 |
| rburton | eg i have a single build directory and flip it between one of four architectures and distro configurations several times a day | 14:11 |
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| Thorys | okay, that's similar to what I am aiming for! Thnx! | 14:12 |
| Crofton|work | I wish we had resources to test bsp's for good beavior | 14:12 |
| Crofton|work | behavior | 14:12 |
| JaMa | several distro configurations in the same build directory aren't officially supported, but should work in most cases | 14:13 |
| JaMa | but using the same bblayers.conf with multiple BSP should work fine with all "good" BSPs | 14:13 |
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| JaMa | and building multiple images is best in the same bitbake call so that it can run more tasks in parallel | 14:14 |
| Thorys | JaMa: okay, good to know some background! Thnx | 14:15 |
| CTtpollard | can I create an spdx manifest for an image by simply put SPDX_MANIFEST_DIR ?= "/yocto/spdx/fossology/xxx“ | 14:19 |
| CTtpollard | INHERIT += "spdx“ in local conf? | 14:19 |
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| CTtpollard | I'm hoping to generate a spdx I can feed to fossology | 14:35 |
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| behrad | CTtpollard, with jethro branch i have same issue | 14:55 |
| behrad | utils-linux and perl failed | 14:55 |
| behrad | i used this: git clone -b jethro --single-branch git://git.openembedded.org/meta-openembedded | 14:56 |
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| CTtpollard | hmmm bitbake can't parse INHERIT += "spdx" when I add it to local.conf | 15:35 |
| CTtpollard | RROR: Unable to parse conf/bitbake.conf: ParseError at /home/ubuntu/builds/qemuspdx/gdp-src-build/conf/local.conf:12: unparsed line: 'INHERIT += "spdx“ | 15:36 |
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| CTtpollard | the spdz.bbclass is in my poky checkout | 15:39 |
| CTtpollard | *spdx | 15:39 |
| CTtpollard | gah fixed it | 15:40 |
| mastier_ | hi, i am struggling in building valgrind-nativesdk, anyone ? http://pastebin.com/4mgLU081 | 15:41 |
| CTtpollard | although it's ignoring my manifest dir, and trying to create it in /home/yocto ...... | 15:46 |
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| khem` | mastier_: target is nativesdk-<package> | 16:06 |
| khem` | you have it otherway around | 16:07 |
| khem` | bitbake nativesdk-valgrind | 16:07 |
| khem` | would be the one you want | 16:07 |
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| mastier_ | khem: thanks! that works | 16:43 |
| diego_r | Hi guys. Reading the docs I get a bit confused: | 16:43 |
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| diego_r | PACKAGE_GROUP The PACKAGE_GROUP variable has been renamed to FEATURE_PACKAGES. See the variable description for FEATURE_PACKAGES for information. If if you use the PACKAGE_GROUP variable, the OpenEmbedded build system issues a warning message. | 16:44 |
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| diego_r | FEATURE_PACKAGES Note: Packages installed by features defined through FEATURE_PACKAGES are often package groups. While similarly named, you should not confuse the FEATURE_PACKAGES variable with package groups, which are discussed elsewhere in the documentation. | 16:44 |
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| fray | short answer.. if you see "PACKAGE_GROUP" (variable with that name) it's invalid | 16:45 |
| fray | FEATURE_PACKAGES is the new name.. and contains various key phrases to select certain things | 16:46 |
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| diego_r | fray: am I allowed to use "FEATURE_PACKAGES" to create a package group (loosely speaking) | 16:47 |
| diego_r | ? | 16:47 |
| fray | no.. it's a selection criteria when you write an image recipe | 16:47 |
| rburton | to create a package group, a recipe just inherits packagegroup | 16:47 |
| diego_r | Or, in other words, if I want to define a group of packages, what should I do? | 16:47 |
| CTtpollard | it is possible to create a spdx manifest without a fossology server? I've got a build currently hanging on do_spdx | 16:48 |
| fray | if you look at meta/classes/core-image.bbclass you'll find a list of defined 'FEATURE_PACKAGES" | 16:48 |
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| fray | CTpollard not that I know of.. the SPDX stuff is fallen out of maintenance.. | 16:48 |
| CTtpollard | fray: ah :/ at least I've got bitbake at the stage where it's atleast trying to do it | 16:49 |
| fray | the code was designed originally to allow you to setup a fossology system w/ the SPDX extension.. it would then package up the code you were building and send it remote for scanning, returning to your system an SDPX document | 16:49 |
| diego_r | rburton: and the recipe name will be the name to put in the IMAGE_INSTALL var then? | 16:49 |
| fray | but that is pretty much all it ever did.. there was not much organization, and the quality of the SDPX documents was certainly suspect.. (not the codes fault, but due to fossology rules) | 16:49 |
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| rburton | diego_r: yeah | 16:50 |
| CTtpollard | fray: what exactly was it sending to the fossology server, I'f I could just have that, I could probably tarball it and pass it manually | 16:50 |
| fray | it's sending the patches sources to the thing you are building | 16:50 |
| fray | 'er.. patched | 16:50 |
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| diego_r | rburton: perfect, thanks. | 16:50 |
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| fray | what I've wanted, and no time to do it.. a tie to partial SPDX data on a 'hash' basis.. you hash the files, it points to SPDX information for that file.. it collects the files for a given set of sources and produces an SDPX that matches the recipe.. | 16:51 |
| fray | any hashes it can't find are things "to be scanned" | 16:51 |
| fray | but up to this point, what most people do is usse the 'archiver' option in the system, they get the src archives or similar out in the end -- then scan the SPDX after the build is completd with the artifacts | 16:52 |
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| CTtpollard | fray: yeh, I've been using archiver, maybe I should try and play with the fossology settings some more | 16:53 |
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| CTtpollard | I was trying to scan the licences directory created by the archiver | 16:54 |
| CTtpollard | maybe I should try the actual source dirs instead | 16:54 |
| fray | the archiver licenses come from the recipe meta data.. they're only as good as the person who built the recipe. (If you find differences, it's a bug and we want to know..) | 16:55 |
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| fray | the fossology / SPDX side was a way to actually scan the code and generate the SDPX dictionary of information.. | 16:55 |
| CTtpollard | fray: cool | 16:57 |
| fray | the idea being that the recipe author info is a "hint" at what they think it is.. but it's not authoritative.. the SPDX information is (eventually) programatically scanned and verified by YOUR legal organization to give your company the confidence that it's right | 16:58 |
| fray | then if the "hint" is wrong, you can file a bug and we can get it fixed.... | 16:58 |
| fray | but frankly, few people are going past just using the hint.. | 16:59 |
| CTtpollard | yeh, I suppose it can check the hash of the licence matches but you don't actually know if the license type defined in the meta data matches the content of the licence | 16:59 |
| fray | I've only seen a VERY small set of our customers care beyond the high level we think this is GPLv2.. vs actually scanning the code) | 16:59 |
| fray | SPDX is also more then just license info, it has copyright statements and other things in it.. | 16:59 |
| fray | this is why you want to hash the source code files themselves.... this way you can detect a file has "changed" | 17:00 |
| fray | and determine if the change has a license, copyright or other impact that you need to know about from an IP perspective | 17:00 |
| fray | if the hash didn't change, then any prior automatic or manual scanner you've done should still be valid.. | 17:00 |
| fray | if all of the hashes in a set of sources (recipe) stayed the same, then the license you decided on would still apply -- since this shows the soruces have not changed | 17:01 |
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| CTtpollard | indeed, you can tell that the content of the licence hasn't changed, but you still have to trust the licence type defined in the recipe matches what it actually is? | 17:01 |
| fray | once you move to SDPX, the recipe info is just a hint to the build system.. | 17:02 |
| fray | your legal department needs to "bless" something as being correct in their eyes.. either specific SDPX info that matches specific sets of files, the recipe hint, or other things they've deemed are correct.. | 17:02 |
| fray | (usual case I see is an excel spreadsheet with a list of either sources or recipe versions and the license they believe it is..) | 17:03 |
| fray | You have to think of this problem as a lawyer and not a technical person.. we have technical answers (and I've got suggestions), but the lawyers work in completely different way to determine the responsibilities.. | 17:03 |
| fray | (or you have companies and uses that just ignore it and hope it goes away) | 17:03 |
| fray | (and those people are going to get burned) | 17:03 |
| CTtpollard | fray: this is all really useful information for me, thanks | 17:04 |
| CTtpollard | has the irc logger stopped btw, it looks to have not recorded anything in 2016 | 17:04 |
| fray | Analogy I often use with lawyers is that this is no different then your company buying an MSDN subscription, building a product and then releasing it.. did you actually read and understand MS terms? Did you use libraries (DLLs) that they allow you to redistribute? or do your cusotmers have to go back to MS for the files.. or..... | 17:05 |
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| fray | you can't just assume since you have aquired something legally that you can turn around and use it.. you need to review the contract terms.. | 17:05 |
| fray | that usually gets them to understand the Open Source is no different then commercial -- only you have more potential contracts to "read" and understand.. | 17:05 |
| fray | ...and it becomes YOUR responsibility to "find" the contract (license) | 17:06 |
| mastier_ | another question, it seems that I would like to have valgrind-native , but it doesn't work : http://pastebin.com/e2h6AWxN . Also tried bitbake glibc-dbg . nothing provides that, but it is required in recipe | 17:08 |
| CTtpollard | fray: I will digest all of this, thanks again :) | 17:08 |
| kergoth | glibc-dbg is a binary package, not a recipe | 17:08 |
| fray | CTtpollard: no problem | 17:09 |
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| fray | I care a lot about license issues (and I don't mind dealing with the IP lawyers, for the most part, but there is a lot that should be done (still) that hasn't been.. | 17:09 |
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| fray | I'd love to take 3-6 months and design a system for managing SPDX data and interacting with the Yocto Project build system | 17:11 |
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| fray | (University of Omaha Nebraska was working on a partial system, but I've been out of the loop on that for a couple years now.. I don't know what progress they've made) | 17:11 |
| mastier_ | kergoth: then what should I do ? i tried creating recipe glibc in my meta with BBCLASSEXTEND = "native", but doesn't work | 17:12 |
| mastier_ | Missing or unbuildable dependency chain was: ['valgrind-native', 'glibc-dbg-native'] | 17:12 |
| fray | 'er.. UNO - University of Nebraska Omaha :) | 17:12 |
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| armpit | khem, ping | 23:34 |
| khem` | armpit: ping | 23:35 |
| khem` | :) | 23:35 |
| armpit | khem, I have patches for uclibc stable branches. it has a PR, do I bump it? | 23:35 |
| armpit | ex: fido PR = "r9" | 23:36 |
| armpit | should I make it r10? | 23:37 |
| * armpit does not recall when prserve kicked in | 23:37 | |
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| khem` | armpit: PR is quite old | 23:49 |
| khem` | for fido you shuld be good without bumping PR | 23:49 |
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| armpit | k | 23:50 |
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