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pthomas | I have several questions, First, I want to play with a poky rootfs over nfs, should I be using tmp/work/<mach>/core-image-base/1.0-r0/rootfs? | 01:26 |
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pthomas | but I think I have a permission problem because in that location everything is still my user, so I get "ping: permission denied (are you root?)" | 01:27 |
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pthomas | Another question along the same lines, if I want to compile a project that isn't setup for cross-compiling (openswan in this case), can I use qemu for the dev system? because I don't think anything is persisted when I do "runqemu qemuarm" | 01:32 |
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kergoth | pthomas: no, you should add tar.bz2 to IMAGE_FSTYPES and extract the generated tarball as root. the bits in tmp/work are artifacts used by the build process only | 01:45 |
kergoth | pthomas: and no, qemu is not an appropriate method for fixing it | 01:45 |
pthomas | can I set IMAGE_FSTYPES from local.conf? | 01:48 |
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pthomas | thanks the IMAGE_FSTYPES is what I needed | 02:08 |
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RagBal | Is there a way to force OE to create a package even if the corresponding packages-split folder is empty? | 09:33 |
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pohly | RagBal: set ALLOW_EMPTY_<package name> = "1" | 10:09 |
RagBal | pohly, so easy, thanks =) | 10:10 |
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snouto | Hello everyone | 12:24 |
snouto | i have successfully managed to build core-image-minimal and i have added my own custom recipes | 12:24 |
snouto | that is great | 12:24 |
snouto | but , the core-image-minimal file system does not look like ubuntu server for instance. | 12:25 |
snouto | it does not contain /usr/share , /usr/lib.....etc | 12:25 |
snouto | also , there is no sudo or apt-get | 12:25 |
snouto | how can i include these into my core-image-minimal | 12:25 |
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snouto | How can i include "sudo" and "apt-get" into core-image-minimal | 12:26 |
rburton | core-image-minimal certainly does contain /usr/share and /usr/lib | 12:29 |
rburton | you add apt-get by ensuring IMAGE_FEATURES contains package-management, and sudo by adding it to IMAGE_INSTALL (IMAGE_INSTALL_append = " sudo") | 12:29 |
rburton | note that when you start doing this you're battling against core-image-minimal which intends to be *minimal* | 12:30 |
rburton | so i'd start with something like core-image-base | 12:30 |
rburton | and if you want apt then set PACKAGE_CLASSES to package_deb, but be aware that rpm and ipk are better tested/supported | 12:30 |
snouto | ruburton, Nice to see you here | 12:31 |
snouto | can i speak with you privately ! | 12:31 |
rburton | you can ask in public so others can learn | 12:32 |
rburton | also excuse the crumbs as i'm eating my lunch | 12:33 |
snouto | rburton, bon appetite | 12:34 |
snouto | let me check something and get back to you until you finish your lunch | 12:34 |
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snouto | rburton , how can i change the name of the OS when the user writes , uname -a | 12:44 |
snouto | into the command prompt | 12:44 |
snouto | rburton, i used core-image-minimal , because the whole idea of creating a linux distro from scratch is to be secure , i wanted to get rid of ALL packages except only the ones i do need them along with their dependencies | 12:49 |
rburton | well minimal explicitly disables some bits that you may not want disabled | 12:49 |
snouto | i took a bottom-up approach , it is better to know each and every piece of installed packages on this OS | 12:49 |
rburton | basically, write your own image recipe :) | 12:49 |
snouto | write my own ! | 12:50 |
snouto | for what ! | 12:50 |
snouto | for changing the linux name ? | 12:50 |
snouto | i want to change the linux name when user types "uname -a" into the shell | 12:50 |
rburton | no, write your own image recipe as the core-image-* are just examples | 12:56 |
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rburton | not sure how to change uname actually | 12:56 |
rburton | what bit do you want to change? | 12:58 |
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rburton | if the bit where it says linux, then 1) why and 2) the kernel, i imagine | 12:58 |
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snouto | rburton, i will be back | 13:01 |
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atmc | hi, i'm trying to add cmake to my yocto image, but just adding the recipe doesn't provide the binary | 14:20 |
atmc | just /usr/lib/cmake | 14:20 |
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Roelof | Are there statistics about how many people are using Yocto (in percent compared to other embedded solutions) ? | 14:55 |
neverpanic | Who would generate such statistics? | 14:57 |
Roelof | Good question :) | 14:58 |
fray | there are survey results that show usage or OE, Yocto, and commercial offerings based on the YP are the majority of embedded Linux development these days.. | 14:59 |
fray | I'll see if I can find the figures.. | 14:59 |
Roelof | That'd be awesome. It is quite popular, right ? Is there a chance, that it is the most popular solution nowadays ? | 14:59 |
fray | it is the most popular solution from what the last survey.. | 15:00 |
fray | I don't know if it hit 50% yet.. but a lot of the stuff is custom home created.. | 15:00 |
Roelof | Wow, that's a lot. | 15:00 |
fray | Android is a big chunk as well.. | 15:01 |
fray | I'm not finding the survey.. (least the most recent) but my memory was something like 30-40% was OE/YP/Commercial | 15:01 |
fray | abotu 20% was Android.. | 15:01 |
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Roelof | Ok, thanks a lot. | 15:02 |
fray | and the rest was buildroot (a few %), commercial solutions (not YP based) (a few more) and then home grown the rest.. | 15:02 |
fray | there is a lot of roll-your-own Linux still | 15:02 |
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Roelof | Interesting. I have to convince some managers here to do the right choice ;) | 15:03 |
fray | I'd tell anyone these days to stay away from roll-your-own.. | 15:04 |
fray | Android is useful, but I prefer YP for the things I do.. | 15:04 |
fray | (and you can get commercial versions if appropriate for your org) | 15:04 |
Roelof | We have a lot of (hard) real-time stuff, and I have the feeling that Android is not so realtime-related than YP ? | 15:05 |
fray | Android is Linux with a different userspace | 15:05 |
Roelof | Understood | 15:05 |
fray | you need to define what YOU need for hard real-time to decide if Linux is even correct for you.. | 15:05 |
fray | I've got customers with real time requirements in the 'second' range (Linux is no problem), ms range (usually Linux is no problem, assuming good drivers), and micro second range.. not really a Linux solution there.. (but Linux is 'better') | 15:06 |
Roelof | According to our measurements, Linux ha less Jitter than even VxWorks and QNX. (Took 6 months to measure). | 15:06 |
Roelof | Let me grab the figures ... | 15:06 |
fray | Roelof (I can only speak for Linux and VxWorks) and the answer all depends on hardware and drivers | 15:06 |
fray | VxWorks, tuned properly can perform better then Linux, especially at the small time scales.. | 15:07 |
fray | but Linux can hold it's own in the ms range, and definitely second range.. | 15:07 |
fray | (and yes, real-time in seconds is a thing.. people often confuse real-time for performance, it's usually the opposite) | 15:08 |
Roelof | Just if it's interesting: We used the default Yocto for i.mx6 and had a jitter of max. 42 us at a 1ms tick. That's pretty cool. VxWorks was 67 us and QNX 47 us. | 15:09 |
Roelof | But we did strange stuff: We had to process everything in the user-space for some reasons. | 15:09 |
fray | I have very little experience on the i.mx6 so I'm not sure how good/bad that is.. but it seems reasonable for that processor | 15:10 |
fray | yes.. the only way to get low time slice numbers in Linux is process in user-space, as it lets the system keep processing the data at a faster rate | 15:10 |
fray | that is pretty standard implementation on Linux, and somewhat 'strange' on VxWorks.. (model is just different) | 15:10 |
Roelof | Yes, we ended up with using VxWorks for other reasons. (Our demand was 100us jitter, so all thre OSes were feasible). | 15:11 |
fray | BTW I found part of the 2014 survey.. and in this one android is around 30% and YP (and all related) are closer to 20% from what I can tell.. | 15:12 |
fray | I seem to remember the 2015 survey the YP surpassed android.. | 15:12 |
fray | Linux if you want Open Source.. VxWorks if you want closed source... (I work for Wind River, but on the Linux side.. so I only have passing knowledge of VxWorks).. | 15:13 |
fray | that is pretty much the sales model for the two | 15:13 |
Roelof | Ok, we appreciate that WindRiver has a steak in Yocto, we also evaluated WindRiver Linux two years ago. | 15:15 |
Roelof | (stake) | 15:16 |
fray | as I tell customers regularly.. don't buy into the hyper.. and don't keep buying what you always have.. you need to investigate, otherwise you are going to get stuck.. | 15:16 |
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fray | it's part of my job to make sure Linux continue to improve in useful ways for OS creators | 15:16 |
fray | ya.. I can't find any public surveys news then 2014.. | 15:17 |
fray | and the ones I'm finding are not breaking out Linux specifically.. | 15:17 |
fray | (I was in a talk somewhere, wish I could remember where, that did break the numbers out int he Linux OS market and they were 2015 numbers) | 15:17 |
fray | YP and Android were the two clear 'embedded' Linux OSes.. with re-use of workstation/server (Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat) and Roll-your-own a combined third (roughly) | 15:18 |
Roelof | Ok, thanks for looking. At least I can tell now, that Yocto is one of the biggest players, and as WR Linux ist based on it, it would be a reasonable solution.. | 15:19 |
Roelof | Thanks a lot ! Bye, bye :) | 15:19 |
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aurele | Hi everyone | 15:30 |
aurele | I'm using datetime in a receipe version 'PV := "${PVBASE}.${SRCPV}.${DATETIME}"'. I used this without any errors but now with krogoth, I got those kind of errors : skellgip2-svn.10498.20160606152022-r0 do_install: Taskhash mismatch a63aac1b85f10faa47a6a3766acef59e verses 503595a3fab2b3d93c5da4f6d6a1ee9b for /home/aurele/workspace/yocto/moniteur-krogoth/sources/meta-castel/recipes-castel/skellgip2/skellgip2_svn.bb.do_install | 15:33 |
aurele | how could I keep the "datetime" in my receipe version (to have a file updated according to build time during every build) | 15:34 |
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snouto | rburton,i am back | 15:34 |
snouto | i am sorry my friend , i had an urgent meeting | 15:35 |
aurele | thanks for any idea | 15:35 |
snouto | rburton, i had added PACKAGE_CLASSES +=" package_deb" | 15:35 |
snouto | but apt is not added | 15:35 |
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snouto | rburton, when the user execute "uname -a" , it shows linux yocto something like this | 15:38 |
snouto | i would like to give the linux a name | 15:38 |
snouto | it is the default name for core-image-minimal | 15:38 |
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rburton | snouto: that's the kernel version, so that's where you want to fiddle the strings. have a look at the kernel recipes | 15:51 |
rburton | snouto: and if you don't get apt installed then you didn't have package-management in IMAGE_FEATURES | 15:51 |
snouto | rburton, i managed to get it to work | 15:52 |
snouto | you were absolutely right | 15:52 |
snouto | the thing is that package_classes was declared above in the local.conf , i didn't see this at first and it was pointing to package_rpm instead | 15:52 |
snouto | i configured this and i successfully installed apt-get | 15:52 |
snouto | please rburton , do you know how can i generate an .iso for my linux | 15:53 |
snouto | through "live" image | 15:53 |
snouto | but where can i declare "live" | 15:54 |
kergoth | IMAGE_FSTYPES | 15:54 |
kergoth | morning all | 15:54 |
snouto | kergoth, thanks | 15:54 |
snouto | in local.conf , right ? | 15:54 |
snouto | IMAGE_FSTYPES ?="live" | 15:55 |
snouto | right | 15:55 |
snouto | that is all ! | 15:56 |
snouto | rburton, where is the kernel recipe should be located ? | 15:58 |
snouto | in meta-poky , right ? | 15:58 |
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snouto | found it | 15:59 |
snouto | it is in meta folder | 15:59 |
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snouto | kergoth, after adding "live" to IMAGE_FSTYPES ?="live" | 16:07 |
snouto | i received this error | 16:07 |
snouto | ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'syslinux' | 16:07 |
snouto | ERROR: syslinux was skipped: incompatible with host arm-poky-linux-gnueabi (not in COMPATIBLE_HOST) | 16:07 |
snouto | ERROR: Required build target 'core-image-minimal' has no buildable providers. | 16:07 |
snouto | Missing or unbuildable dependency chain was: ['core-image-minimal', 'syslinux'] | 16:07 |
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snouto | kergoth , rburton: how can i add gcc into core-image-minimal ? | 16:09 |
rburton | add "gcc" to IMAGE_INSTALL | 16:10 |
kergoth | the live images are only supported on archs that support syslinux, that's correct | 16:10 |
rburton | this is in the documentation under "adding packages to images" | 16:10 |
kergoth | or grub-efi or gummiboot, i think, for efi systems | 16:10 |
snouto | i have added "gcc" to IMAGE_INSTALL_APPEND | 16:11 |
snouto | IMAGE_INSTALL_append =" psplash example complexyocto sudo python gcc" | 16:11 |
rburton | if you actually want a working toolchain then add tools-sdk to IMAGE_FEATURES | 16:11 |
rburton | note, compilers are versioned unless you also install the symlink package, so its gcc-5.2 or whatever | 16:11 |
rburton | (you can tell that by looking at the contents of the gcc package, using oe-pkgdata-util) | 16:11 |
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snouto | do you mean by adding "tools-sdk" to image_features , i will have a gcc | 16:12 |
rburton | well "gcc" gives you gcc-[version] which isn't a problem, and there's another package that installs the symlinks for default versions. | 16:13 |
rburton | but i guess you'll also want a linker | 16:13 |
rburton | so its best to just use tools-sdk | 16:13 |
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snouto | ok | 16:13 |
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snouto | kergoth,rburton: how can i get my core-image-minimal to support syslinux ? | 16:17 |
kergoth | you can't magically make syslinux work for arm | 16:17 |
snouto | currently i am building against ARM processors | 16:17 |
snouto | oh | 16:17 |
snouto | so you mean , if i made it x86 machine or x64 it shall work ? | 16:17 |
rburton | the current live image code needs syslinux, you can port it to something else to make it work on other hardware, or build for x86 if that's acceptable for testing | 16:18 |
rburton | or don't use live images | 16:18 |
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snouto | ok , i will follow you , so , basically , no live image for arm processors | 16:19 |
snouto | so this raises two questions | 16:19 |
snouto | 1. if i want to deploy my linux into a hardware appliance that has arm processor , how can i get my linux installed there | 16:19 |
kergoth | i'm not sure what good you'd expect a live cd to do you on an arm machine, most of which don't support booting from a cd even if they had a drive connected, which most don't | 16:19 |
kergoth | that depends on the hardware | 16:20 |
snouto | 2.if i changed my configuration in local.conf to map to qemux86-64 and specified "live" , will it work ? | 16:20 |
snouto | so how can i deploy my core-image-minimal into a board that has arm ? | 16:21 |
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snouto | through flash memory or something ? | 16:21 |
kergoth | as i just said, that depends on the hardware | 16:21 |
kergoth | update/flash/boot methods vary | 16:21 |
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snouto | from where can i read more about update /flash/boot methods | 16:27 |
snouto | do you have any online references kergoth ? | 16:27 |
kergoth | as i just said, it varies. read up about whatever hardware you're trying to work on | 16:27 |
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billr | snouto: typically with ARM platforms, u-boot is your friend. You can use u-boot to download a kernel and rootfs image then program them into local NAND flash on the board or to an SD-card. You can also use u-boot to configure the board to load kernel image via tftp and mount rootfs via NFS for testing purposes (if your board has Ethernet available). Other alternatives, if SD-card is available is to use tools on your development system to copy files to SD car | 16:34 |
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billr | snouto: if your hardware does not come with u-boot pre-installed, then you need to read up on built-in first/second stage bootloader for your h/w on how to load u-boot over network, usb or serial and flash into NAND. Although some h/w will also load direct from SD card, if present, so you can put second stage loader, u-boot, kernel and rootfs all on SD card. As kergoth said, it really depends on what your hardware supports. | 16:37 |
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snouto | billr, Thank you for this expert opinion , i will have to check with the h/w company for this | 16:41 |
snouto | billr, can i read about this "You can use u-boot to download a kernel and rootfs image then program them into local NAND flash on the board or to an SD-card" in u-boot documentation ? | 16:42 |
billr | snoutu: yes, that is in the u-boot documentation | 16:43 |
snouto | actually , the h/w company already provided me an intel atom processor as a prototype | 16:43 |
snouto | and it is a soc chip | 16:44 |
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kergoth | atom isn't arm. i think your'e a bit confused :) | 16:44 |
snouto | i told them it is ok for a prototype , but for production appliances , i will prefer an intel xeon | 16:44 |
snouto | i knew | 16:44 |
snouto | atom is intel | 16:44 |
kergoth | why do you care about deploying to an arm board if what you're getting is x86 anyway? | 16:45 |
snouto | i started arm because i read about yocto from a book and i followed the examples , the book was targetting arm | 16:45 |
snouto | so i choosed arm | 16:45 |
kergoth | so pick a different machine and move on | 16:45 |
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kergoth | qemu isn't a board anyway, it's emulation | 16:45 |
snouto | because qemuarm image i am building is for testing purposes , i am checking how can i install required recipes , scratch my head around it , then i will oe-init a complete different environment for the OS later | 16:45 |
snouto | kergoth: qemuarm is just a testing image to get experience in yocto | 16:46 |
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snouto | i am still learning it piece by piece and because i am not a h/w guy , that is why i feel with a bit difficulty in these variations between h/w and processors | 16:47 |
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billr | snouto: if you just picked arm for demo, to learn about installing packages, then pick something closer to your final h/w, like qemux86 then do an actual build for the atom and load onto your initial h/w | 16:48 |
snouto | billr: exactly , that is what i am doing right now , i changed into qemx86_64 | 16:48 |
snouto | and poky is now building it from scratch , i will stick to this because it is the closer to the target board | 16:49 |
snouto | when i started , i didn't even know what h/w i will target | 16:49 |
billr | snouto: good idea | 16:49 |
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francis | Hello! Using poky 2.1 with meta-openembedded, I get a bunch of deprecation warnings like this one: | 18:05 |
francis | NOTE: build/../meta-openembedded/meta-networking/recipes-support/stunnel/stunnel_5.28.bb: base_contains is deprecated, please use bb.utils.contains instead. | 18:05 |
francis | should I open a bug for that? | 18:06 |
kergoth | meta-openembedded doesn't have a bug tracking system, last i checked, so not sure where you'd plan to do that | 18:06 |
paulg | is your meta-networking up to date? I know the maintainer fixed a bunch of those within the last wk or two. | 18:06 |
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francis | paulg, kergoth: my meta-openembedded directory was stalled, yeah indeed updating solved the issue, sorry for the noise | 18:25 |
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paulg | np | 18:29 |
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kergoth | RP: WARNING: libevdev-1.5.1-r0 do_fetch: Couldn't load checksums from donestamp /scratch/yocto-new/poison-ldflags/build.nodistro/downloads/libevdev-1.5.1.tar.xz.done: ValueError (msg: unsupported pickle protocol: 4) | 20:29 |
kergoth | looks like it's no longer happy to share downloads amongst numerous yocto releases | 20:29 |
kergoth | we really shouldn't be using pickle to begin with for persistence, it's known to have lots of issues. should look into switching to another text or binary format | 20:30 |
* kergoth ponders | 20:30 | |
paulg | so the python3 we generate for builld-appliance doesn't have the "multiprocessing" module. Looking at other distros, it lives in libpython3-stdlib (ubu) | 20:31 |
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paulg | and we can't get off the ground in bitbake w/o that module; not seeing where our equivalent would be just yet... | 20:32 |
kergoth | check the manifest .inc | 20:33 |
kergoth | either that or use oe-pkgdata-util | 20:33 |
kergoth | hmm, why is gcc-runtime-external gettng a taskbase hash mismatch | 20:33 |
paulg | tmp/deploy/rpm/core2_64/python3-multiprocessing-3.5.1-r1.0.core2_64.rpm | 20:36 |
paulg | looks promising. | 20:36 |
* paulg installs | 20:36 | |
kergoth | Hmm.. wonder if I can rework bb.process in such a way that it retains compatibility with the *numerous* users of it, but still align much more closely with subprocess | 20:36 |
* kergoth pokes at it | 20:36 | |
* paulg expects this to be a lather-rinse-repeat affair... | 20:36 | |
paulg | wonder if there is a parent meta-package. | 20:37 |
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paulg | ImportError: No module named 'sqlite3' | 20:42 |
paulg | ImportError: No module named 'pysqlite2' | 20:43 |
paulg | see this going on for a while.. | 20:43 |
paulg | meta/recipes-devtools/python/python-3.5-manifest.inc has it. Wonder why it didn't get installed. | 20:44 |
kergoth | we don't already have a packagegroup for 'the bits bitbake needs to run'? | 20:45 |
kergoth | odd | 20:45 |
fray | that was the buildtools tarball wasn't it? | 20:45 |
paulg | I got 42 python3 pkgs installed. But clearly that wasn't enough... | 20:45 |
paulg | I'll stick with the manual mode for a bit just to see what else shakes loose after that. | 20:46 |
paulg | solution might be obvious to a seasoned bitbake person vs. a kernel guy flailing around learning as he goes. :) | 20:48 |
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bluelightning | if you had buildtools installed before you need to rebuild it and reinstall it | 20:51 |
bluelightning | since it now has the python3 bits in it | 20:52 |
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* paulg builds buildtools-tarball | 20:59 | |
paulg | I'm not stuck with my builder not being able to build itself ; I've got a 2nd machine with a bog std ubu install that builds ok after I fixed meta-overc and meta-cloud-services | 21:00 |
paulg | so I was copying rpms off of that and onto the one w/o the right modules installed... | 21:00 |
paulg | until it wanted pdb module, and we didn't have an rpm for that. :-/ | 21:00 |
paulg | maybe building buildtools will generate the missing ones. | 21:01 |
paulg | yay, buildtools fails on binutils cross SDK | configure.ac:33: error: Please use exactly Autoconf 2.64 instead of 2.69. | 21:06 |
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paulg | tmp/deploy/rpm/core2_64/python3-debugger-3.5.1-r1.0.core2_64.rpm | 21:20 |
paulg | ...makes sense | 21:21 |
* paulg installs | 21:21 | |
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* RP dreads to think what paulg is doing. Taking a buildtools-tarball from somewhere else (like our AB) and using that would probably work | 21:46 | |
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paulg | RP, meta-overc, which was basically a 64 bit build appliance with kernel and grub so you could use it for real dev. | 21:55 |
paulg | (for purpose of this discussion) -- making it work again after all the python3 fallout. | 21:55 |
RP | paulg: I'm told we had buildtools-tarball working so I'm just surprised the work its involving :/ | 21:56 |
paulg | maybe if I use a 32 bit config... | 21:56 |
paulg | I've got all the pyton3 modules on it now and I'm fighting with this... | 21:57 |
paulg | Please use a locale setting which supports utf-8. | 21:57 |
paulg | Python can't change the filesystem locale after loading so we need a utf-8 when python starts or things won't work. | 21:57 |
RP | paulg: We also fixed buildtools-tarball for that | 21:58 |
paulg | I had the locale stuff satisifed prior to the py2 --> py3 update but now it appears more strict. | 21:58 |
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RP | paulg: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky/commit/?id=479780d790cc4f6e93564bfd849824e9a7f9160c | 21:58 |
paulg | let me look into the changes for buildtools-tarball ; prior to today I didn't know it even existed. | 21:58 |
paulg | thanks for the commit ; save me digging. | 21:58 |
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paulg | hrrm. will have to see what is in nativesdk-locale-base-en-us ; if it is a giant thing, zeddii_sweden will start hurling crap over the wall at me. | 22:00 |
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paulg | (well, maybe not from sweeden...) | 22:01 |
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paulg | on a semi related note, it seems py3 gets generated with a crap PYTHONHOME default ; I had to symlink /usr/lib64 py3 into /usr/lib as a temp. workaround. | 22:04 |
paulg | of course that needs a proper fix too. | 22:04 |
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paulg | holy crap, I think I may have the builder building itself | 22:17 |
paulg | it is at least passed parsing and is cleaning out the obsolete cruft from the sysroot. | 22:18 |
paulg | need to tidy up all the issue workarounds etc. but I think there is light at the end of the tunnel. | 22:20 |
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paulg | Currently 5 running tasks (1121 of 7463): | 22:21 |
paulg | good a time as any to walk away and find food. | 22:21 |
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kergoth | RP: know of a good way to diagnose taskbase hash mismatches? | 23:09 |
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