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| martinmeba | khem - thanks for the answer - this is for standalone development. I have had yocto create an SDK and I have configured eclipse to use this along with the yocto and cdt plugins for C/C++ development. | 05:15 |
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| martinmeba | khem: the code was originally built with the ARM DS-5 environment on windows and I am moving things to linux-based development. For the most part everything seems correct - the correct compiler is used /sysroots/x86_64-pokysdk-linux/usr/bin/arm-poky-linux-gnueabi/arm-poky-linux-gnueabi-g++ but it seems to pull AR out of nowhere | 05:19 |
| martinmeba | it is using sysroots/cortexa9hf-neon-poky-linux-gnueabi/usr/bin/ar which does not even exist | 05:19 |
| martinmeba | I usually stay away from eclipse but need to use it in this instance and cannot figure out where this gets set. I have tried setting CMAKE_AR in CMakeLists.txt as well but that does not seem to do anything | 05:20 |
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| khem | yeah in yout SDK install there must be a environment file | 06:58 |
| khem | define AR there | 06:58 |
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| binarym | i would like to "dump" the content of do_compile task for a given recipes (recipe doesn't define by itself the task but inherit it) | 10:22 |
| binarym | is there a way to do this using bitbake ? | 10:22 |
| CTtpollard | bitbake -e $ recipe | 10:24 |
| CTtpollard | then grep through for that stage | 10:24 |
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| binarym | CTtpollard: thanks :) | 10:27 |
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| eduardas_m | hello, I would like to ask about common practices related to permissions on embedded systems... how many of you run the GUI and custom daemons as root on your devices? | 10:49 |
| eduardas_m | should I really bother setting up users with limited permissions for application-specific processes? | 10:50 |
| eduardas_m | is there any kind of guide/best practices I can follow when it comes to permissions on embedded systems? | 10:51 |
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| rburton | oh my god don't run anything as root unless you want to be in one of those "look i exploited this device by sending a malformed packet and the daemon runs as root, what an idiot" presentations at CCC | 10:59 |
| rburton | like that car that 1) listens to all incoming packets over 3G 2) has a dbus service 3) has a method on the dbus service to invoke an arbitrary command 4) runs that service as root | 11:00 |
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| joshuagl | haha | 11:14 |
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| joshuagl | there's a section of the dev manual which includes high-level ideas and links to articles discussing common problems http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.2/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#making-images-more-secure | 11:18 |
| aV_V | hahaha | 11:22 |
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| joshuagl | the paper discussing the hacks ross mentioned is online somewhere and a great set of examples of what not to do | 11:24 |
| rburton | it was a horror story for nerds | 11:26 |
| joshuagl | this one http://illmatics.com/Remote%20Car%20Hacking.pdf | 11:26 |
| rburton | DON'T GO INTO THE SPOOKY WOODS ALONE AT NIGHT | 11:26 |
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| eduardas_m | joshuagl, good to see that some information is included in the yocto manual... I somehow missed that, so thank you | 11:33 |
| joshuagl | eduardas_m: np. It's not something we have expertise in on the project so can't offer more than high level guidance | 11:34 |
| eduardas_m | well, I honestly don't know another channel on freenode to discuss embedded linux problems... other embedded linux related channels have low participation rates.. so I usually end up asking here | 11:38 |
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| eduardas_m | perhaps security considerations should be like those of general linux systems, but what I see in application examples provided by hardware vendors is that you are shown to run everything as root | 11:41 |
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| rburton | eduardas_m: if i was building a networked embedded device i'd not only run as a non-root user but use something else to constrain, selinux or containers or cgroups or anything | 11:43 |
| joshuagl | defence in depth | 11:45 |
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| eduardas_m | rburton, while reading about the intel Joule, I discovered Ostro Linux, it has an application framework for sandboxing applications... pretty much what you described if I understand correctly | 11:46 |
| eduardas_m | I wonder whether any of you are involved with Ostro or have any experience with it | 11:47 |
| eduardas_m | how does it compare to usual Yocto development? | 11:47 |
| rburton | it is yocto :) | 11:47 |
| rburton | the sandbox stuff in ostro is Smack, you can use that without using ostro if you want | 11:47 |
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| joshuagl | SMACK is a MAC solution, like SELinux and AppArmor. Layer is https://github.com/01org/meta-intel-iot-security/tree/master/meta-security-smack | 11:48 |
| eduardas_m | rburton, I am aware it uses yocto tools, but as far as I understand it has its own layers that are not in the OE index or the usual Yocto release | 11:48 |
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| eduardas_m | so I guess stuff is not really guaranteed to build when mixing and matching Ostro stuff and Yocto release recipes, right? please correct me if I'm wrong | 11:50 |
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| Strike5150 | Hello, is it possible to make kernel config selections as part of a machine.conf | 12:51 |
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| ipuustin | eduardas_m: the Ostro app framework has some documentation here: https://ostroproject.org/documentation/architecture/application-framework.html | 14:16 |
| ipuustin | eduardas_m: the sandboxing is done in a configurable way... it can use containers or just DAC-based access control | 14:17 |
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| fl0v01 | hi, i just realized that /var/log gets linked to /var/volatiles/log and so the logs are gone after each reboot | 14:21 |
| fl0v01 | where can i change this in a proper way? at least /var/log/journal should be persistent | 14:22 |
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| eduardas_m | ipuustin, do you actually work with Ostro? if so, is it just for Intel chips or are builds for ARM platforms such as imx6 also supported in some way? | 14:33 |
| eduardas_m | ipuustin, I get the impression that the only supported ARM platform is the Beaglebone because there is an image for it | 14:34 |
| eduardas_m | not sure how much effort it would take to put this on an NXP or other vendor's chip | 14:35 |
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| tlwoerner | has anyone tried pulling openembedded-core and/or bitbake recently? | 14:58 |
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| nrossi | tlwoerner: looks like the same issue that hit meta-openembedded has now hit the others... no master refs! :| | 15:02 |
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| CTtpollard | :O | 15:03 |
| joshuagl | halstead: ^^ ? :-o | 15:03 |
| jku | oops how does that happen | 15:03 |
| nrossi | jku: not sure but JaMa suspected the patchwork git hooks, https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10762 | 15:04 |
| yocti | Bug 10762: enhancement, Medium+, 2.3 M2, jose.a.lamego, REOPENED , patchwork: Enable automatic status update when patches are merged for all projects | 15:04 |
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| halstead | nrossi: joshuagl tlwoerner I have a permanent solution in the works. | 15:06 |
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| nrossi | halstead: yay :) | 15:07 |
| halstead | nrossi: The temporary fix should have just kicked in. | 15:07 |
| halstead | nrossi: jku It's a umask issue causing permissions problems. | 15:08 |
| joshuagl | halstead: thanks for the update! | 15:08 |
| halstead | tlwoerner: Is it working as expected now? | 15:11 |
| halstead | joshuagl: Thanks for the ping. | 15:11 |
| Crofton|work | halstead, thanks for taking care of this | 15:12 |
| halstead | Crofton|work: No problem. Sorry about these issues. I might need to downgrade gitolite for a bit while I do more testing. | 15:14 |
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| lamego | halstead: +1 thanks | 15:15 |
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| tlwoerner | halstead: yes, all looks now, thanks :-) | 15:26 |
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| ipuustin | eduardas_m: I think the Ostro focus has been on the Intel dev platforms (Galileo 2, Edison, Minnowboard, ...) | 15:34 |
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| g0hl1n | Hi everybody, currently I'm facing problems with the transition from zImage to fitImage. Basically it seems everything is working fine (including booting), but my INITRAMFS isn't loaded. I'm using "CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE="./initramfs/config.cfg"" in the kernel configuration as initramfs source. Does anybody of you have any clue what the problem could be? Thanks in advance! | 16:17 |
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| g0hl1n | If you any kind of additional info would be helpful, just mention it. Thanks. | 16:18 |
| ntl | g0hl1n: CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE is supposed to be a single cpio archive or a list of directories; your file looks like a config fragment? | 16:28 |
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| g0hl1n | ntl: yes, it is a config and it's working with the zImage. Basically I'm using the "IMAGE BUILDING method" like described in Documentation/early-userspace/README. | 16:32 |
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| g0hl1n | ntl: aww, better documentation is in Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt ("Populating initramfs" section) | 16:34 |
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| jmesmon | How can I add a package only to a debugfs (ie: with IMAGE_GEN_DEBUGFS = "1") image? Is there a way to pull in packages there at the same time the `*-dbg` packages are pulled in? | 19:22 |
| jmesmon | Or does anyone know the mecahnism that adds the `*-dbg` packages to debugfs images? I'm looking around image.bbclass & image_types.bbclass but nothing is jumping out at me | 19:25 |
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| kergoth | jmesmon: meta/lib/oe/rootfs.py line 105, _setup_dbg_rootfs | 19:26 |
| kergoth | it explicitly does self.pm.install_complementary('*-dbg') | 19:26 |
| kergoth | not metadata driven | 19:26 |
| kergoth | so i don't believe you could modify the behavior without overriding the python module and modifying the method | 19:27 |
| kergoth | or monkeypatching, possibly | 19:27 |
| jmesmon | hm. at that point it might make sense just to have another foo-image-debugfs.bb which includes the base image and adds a few packages. | 19:28 |
| kergoth | probably, yes | 19:29 |
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| manju | hi all, was wondering if there is a way to append to an existing bbclass? just like we do for a bb file using bbappend | 19:47 |
| Crofton|work | manju, pretty sure there isn't | 19:48 |
| Crofton|work | although the idea comes up | 19:48 |
| kergoth | nope, the best you can do is append the recipes, override the class in a higher priority layer, or something terribly hacky with a global class and anonymous python or an event handlerl that checks to see if the recipe inherits that class | 19:50 |
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| manju | ok thanks... | 19:52 |
| vmeson | just tripped over: ERROR: ExpansionError during parsing /buildarea/rmacleod/src/distro/yocto/oe-core.git/meta/recipes-support/icu/icu_57.1.bb -- known problem? | 19:58 |
| vmeson | I'm ignoring it by using bitbake's 1.32 branch. :) | 19:58 |
| vmeson | (this was with bitbake /master XXXTBDXX and oe-core/morty) | 19:59 |
| kergoth | you can't use bitbake master with oe-core morty | 19:59 |
| kergoth | as you've discovered | 19:59 |
| kergoth | it's not "ignoring it", it's using the correct bitbake versionf or the correct metadata version. branches/versions always have to match up between your layers, and between bitbake and the layers | 20:00 |
| vmeson | kergoth: thx, that's what I expected but it's via magic associations it seems or (shudder) documentation? Oh look: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Releases needs to be updated. | 20:05 |
| * vmeson remembers what wiki's are and tries to update iti. | 20:06 | |
| kergoth | vmeson: the wiki should be maintained with the mapping, and ideally the oe-core readme would mention it, as it's a dependency, but the most accurate place is likely the sanity check at this time, as oe-core will abort if the bitabke version isn't correct. See https://github.com/openembedded/openembedded-core/blob/morty/meta/conf/sanity.conf#L6 | 20:08 |
| Strike5150 | I'm looking for the place I can add a machine name as part of FILESPATH, so I can switch kernel fragments based on machine conf | 20:12 |
| kergoth | it'll handle that automatically | 20:14 |
| vmeson | wiki username needed and requested. kergoth: yeah, the erorr message was not a good experience: http://pastebin.com/UrZYPpT8 | 20:14 |
| kergoth | usually, anyway | 20:14 |
| kergoth | vmeson: yeah, sadly if it fails before we even get to the sanity check it's not ideal :\ | 20:14 |
| kergoth | we hsould work on that | 20:14 |
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| Strike5150 | Is it ok to put a FILESOVERRIDES in machine.conf? | 20:16 |
| kergoth | that'd be pretty pointless | 20:17 |
| kergoth | just create a machine subdir in a usual file:// search directory and it'll automatically pull from it when machine is set to that | 20:17 |
| vmeson | kergoth: I'll fix the wiki once I get perms and likley add a line to the README for morty. I could open a bug for bitbake if you want. | 20:18 |
| kergoth | the normal file:// behavior is to check for files in a subdir for any override in OVERRIDES | 20:18 |
| vmeson | or even send a patch since I should know more about bitbake than I do now... | 20:18 |
| Strike5150 | kergoth: ok great I didn't realize it did that | 20:18 |
| vmeson | back laterish. | 20:18 |
| kergoth | well, filesoverrides, not overrides. but that includes machine by default. | 20:18 |
| kergoth | see base_set_filespath() in utils.bbclass and FILESOVERRIDES in conf/bitbake.conf | 20:19 |
| kergoth | MACHINEOVERRIDES includes MACHINE as a matter of course | 20:19 |
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| Strike5150 | kergoth: Ok thanks for the info. I'm swimming in a see of yocto, I'll get better at it eventually lol | 20:20 |
| kergoth | there's a lot to learn, and a steep learning curve. downside to the high flexibility and power | 20:20 |
| kergoth | worth the effort, though | 20:20 |
| Strike5150 | Yea, thats what I'm driving for. I've seen many improvements over the years and I'm very encouraged | 20:20 |
| Strike5150 | My last effort was on a horribly botched denzil and I'm noticing there is plenty of new improvments | 20:21 |
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| esennesh | anyone know how to set a shell environment variable for my target image via the image recipe or something similar? | 22:55 |
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| vmeson | esennesh: for a user or systemwide in /etc/profile? (I don't know either way but at least you'll have a more precise question). | 23:09 |
| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #422 of nightly-checkuri is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/main/builders/nightly-checkuri/builds/422 | 23:10 | |
| vmeson | esennesh: not sure if this will help since it's from 2012 but: https://lists.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/yocto/2012-January/004483.html | 23:11 |
| esennesh | vmeson: systemwide | 23:11 |
| esennesh | thanks for the link | 23:13 |
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| wandboarderr | Hi people, has anyone here tried building poky for wandboard before? I've got stuck and I'd really appreciate some help | 23:22 |
| wandboarderr | On krogoth and before, I used to be able to set IMAGE_FSTYPES in my local.conf to generate archives like tar.gz or tar.bz2, but setting that variable on master doesn't seem to have any effect | 23:24 |
| wandboarderr | And only wic.gz archives are created. Any thoughts? | 23:25 |
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