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| mckoan | good morning | 06:50 |
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| Smitty_ | I can hear the groans ! | 07:04 |
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| Smitty_ | It seems like any file, whether it be a .conf, .bb, .bbclass, etc, can be used for just about anything. The naming convention is a hint for how they are used. | 07:35 |
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| CostinC | morning all | 07:47 |
| PinkSnake | morning | 07:48 |
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| Smitty_ | Reading through oe-buildenv-internal, I am a bit confused about the three python version checks: https://pastebin.com/WM4Fb0TM Why 3, why not just a single check for version 3.4.0 or greater, since that's what bitbake apparently requires ? | 07:54 |
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| nrossi | Smitty_: oe needs both python 2.7.3 and python 3.4.0. And 'python' must be python 2, on some distros (e.g. Arch Linux) it is not. | 07:57 |
| nrossi | Smitty_: thus why the three checks need to be made | 07:57 |
| Smitty_ | So, the requirement for python 2.7.3 is not from bitbake, rather from existing (python) scripts within oe-core (and dependent projects) ? And those scripts don't behave correctly with python 3 ? | 07:59 |
| jku | yes | 08:00 |
| Smitty_ | nightmare | 08:01 |
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| jku | python and python3 might be related but they are different languages... | 08:02 |
| Smitty_ | Another totally unrelated question. I read that nfs mounted file systems can't be used for build directories. Why would such a restriction exist ? Why would a user app care what file system was in use ? | 08:03 |
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| jku | Smitty_: TMPDIR can't be on NFS I think (can't remember details but symlink behaviour differences maybe?) | 08:07 |
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| jku | but you also wouldn't want that: TMPDIR should be on the fastest disk you have | 08:08 |
| jku | but SSTATE_DIR and DL_DIR should be fine (and those are the ones that might make sense to put on network disks IMO) | 08:10 |
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| Smitty_ | symlinks apparently are problematic across mountpoints - I didn't realize that. I thought that restriction was for hardlinks. | 08:11 |
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| ChrysD | Good morning =D | 08:12 |
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| Smitty_ | The symlink issue makes sense. Since a symlink can contain a path (absolute or relative ) to a location in the destination file system that doesn't exist in the clients "view" of that filesystem. Never thought about why, I always simply said, "OK". | 08:32 |
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| Smitty_ | So, back to oe-init-build-env. It seems my initial understanding of the purpose of this (along with oe-buildenv-internal, and oe-setup-builddir) was wrong. rburton - and others - told me that sourcing this file was essentially optional. At first I didn't understand how that could be. After all, every example uses it, and besides it processes bblayers.conf.sample, and creates build dir. | 08:35 |
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| Smitty_ | What really should happen is that the oe-init scripts be setting up the environment to point to a totally correct bblayers.conf located inside source dir not move it into builddir. bitbake should just use what it finds in source dir | 08:44 |
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| jku | Smitty_: and what source dir should that "totally correct" bblayers.conf come from? | 08:49 |
| jku | E.g. my current build has the poky layers and meta-intel in BBLAYERS -- what source repo could have known I want those but not meta-oe which is also cloned. | 08:49 |
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| Smitty_ | I guess what I am saying, is that since bblayers.conf really only sets BBPATH (which I find a bit strange), BBFILES and BBLAYERS. The latter really control what is getting built. | 08:57 |
| rj_ | Morning, Could someone help me out with MariaDB? I installed it from the yocto recipe(meta-oe layer) but when i want to run it it says it can't find mysqld_safe_helper. Besides that when i run 'mysql' it says it can't connect to the local MySQL server socket "/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock" | 08:59 |
| MarcWe | hi, Im having issus with building gdb_7.10.1.bb im getting: /usr/src/debug/gdb/7.10.1-r0/gdb-7.10.1/gdb/completer.c:1615: undefined reference to `_rl_completion_prefix_display_length' | 08:59 |
| PinkSnake | @all quick and dirty -> add to you setup-environment file to list all image recipes : https://pastebin.com/ymSLQsQw | 09:00 |
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| Smitty_ | PinkSnake: how does that differ from the output of bitbake-layers show-recipes "*-image-*" | 09:02 |
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| jku | MarcWe: on an old poky? | 09:03 |
| ChrysD | Smitty_ : it differ that the script is made for developper engineer | 09:03 |
| MarcWe | yes krogoth | 09:03 |
| ChrysD | Smitty_ : For example you will launch this script, it will source the oe init build dir and also give to the client the list of images. | 09:04 |
| MarcWe | jku: yes on krogoth | 09:04 |
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| ChrysD | Smitty_ : For client OR developper engineer | 09:04 |
| Smitty_ | That's what "bitbake-layers show-recipes "*-image-*"" does | 09:05 |
| PinkSnake | @Smitty @ChrysD +1 and script is faster than your cmd and doesn't use bitbake tools ;) | 09:06 |
| Smitty_ | OK, so when you don't rely upon bitbake, how do you know the image is really available ? | 09:06 |
| jku | MarcWe: I'm not familiar with this but see poky commit 07c4bc109d51 -- maybe you can remove "readline" from PACKAGECONFIG to make it work? | 09:06 |
| ChrysD | Smitty_ : it's not that | 09:06 |
| ChrysD | Smitty_ : You can't ask for your client or dev team to know bitbake | 09:07 |
| Smitty_ | Becasue unless bitbake sees it as an image, it's not an image | 09:07 |
| PinkSnake | @Smitty and i don't care about poky and oe images | 09:07 |
| ChrysD | Smitty_ : In my case, i use a script which I simply launch, and give me the all command to launch so that I don't need to care of bitbake or yocto | 09:07 |
| PinkSnake | @Smitty it's my job to keep repos clean so i know exactly which images are really available :P | 09:08 |
| ChrysD | Smitty_ : So that for example, the marketing/commercial team can even do them itself. | 09:08 |
| ChrysD | Smitty_ : Sometimes we need to do some kinds of scripts to simplify tasks for people that are not platform engineer/developper | 09:10 |
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| MarcWe | jku: cant finde the commit. | 09:12 |
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| pohly | ed2: is it part of your plans for wic to get replace the wic-tools->grub-efi+syslinux dependency? | 09:15 |
| pohly | Not all images built with wic need those, so a better place would be in the per-image dependencies. | 09:15 |
| ed2 | pohly: The problem here is how to build images depending on syslinux manually with wic. | 09:16 |
| ed2 | pohly: i still don't have good solution for this | 09:17 |
| pohly | ed2: perhaps "wic-tools" should be reserved for this "use wic manually" case and automatic building via bitbake should use something else ("wic-tools-light") or no wic-tools at all? | 09:17 |
| pohly | Then "manual mode" uses wic as a generic tool that works for multiple images (at the expense of having to build things with might not be needed), while building through bitbake can be as efficient as possible for the desired images. | 09:19 |
| ed2 | this makes sense. it would require to build wic-tools manually, but anyway it's better than building unneeded recipes. | 09:19 |
| ed2 | pohly: I'll try to remove wic-tools from deps. having a bug for that would speed this up, btw :) | 09:21 |
| pohly | ed2: I wanted to check first whether you already have one ;-) I'll file one. | 09:22 |
| ed2 | all: does anyone see this build error in master-next for beaglebone machine? https://gist.github.com/bartosh/741ea816bf944e2601c51fdc3c865010 | 09:24 |
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| ed2 | all: I've just seen it on qemux86-64 machine too. hmmm. | 09:26 |
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| MarcWe | jku: ty | 09:36 |
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| Smitty_ | It seems my PATH is being manipulated to be incorrect - by the build, not by me: https://pastebin.com/hRFuwkrB | 09:46 |
| binarym | Smitty_: bitbake doesn't support to be called by relative path | 09:48 |
| binarym | you must | 09:48 |
| binarym | 1/ . oe-init-buildenv <--- this command gonna: | 09:48 |
| binarym | a/ setup your PATH to point to bitbake binaries directory etc... | 09:48 |
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| binarym | b/ move your shell to your build/ sub-directory | 09:48 |
| binarym | 2/ launch your build by using bitbake <your image> | 09:49 |
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| Smitty_ | Unbelievable. | 09:49 |
| binarym | Smitty_: Yocto and bitbake are massively based on shell scripts | 09:49 |
| binarym | and, as you probably know, shell scripts isn't the more powerfull language | 09:50 |
| binarym | that kind of "limitations" aren't SO unbelievable :) | 09:50 |
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| -YoctoAutoBuilder- build #483 of nightly-no-x11 is complete: Failure [failed Running Sanity Tests] Build details are at http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/main/builders/nightly-no-x11/builds/483 | 11:26 | |
| Smitty_ | error: cannot run git-proxy: No such file or directory I have git-proxy script in my PATH after sourcing oe-init Why this error ? | 11:31 |
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| PinkSnake | @Smitty git:// to https:// ? | 11:38 |
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| Smitty_ | I was able to get around the problem with git, by changing the SRC_URI to use https instead of git. Now I get this instead: ERROR: mobile-broadband-provider-info-1_20170310-r0 do_populate_lic: QA Issue: mobile-broadband-provider-info: LIC_FILES_CHKSUM points to an invalid file: /local/smitty/custom_distro/build/tmp-glibc/work/i586-oe-linux/mobile-broadband-provider-info/1_20170310-r0/git/COPYING [license-checksum] | 11:59 |
| neverpanic | Well, now the source code seems to have changed, so the change was either not transparent, or the recipe does not specify a specific git hash to use and the COPYING file was updated. | 12:01 |
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| Smitty_ | Ah, so, if I do a "git pull" , then after some time the source changes, then I attempt a build, bitbake fetches the source, but, now the hash is different that what my meta-data says it is, so bitbake errors ?? Is that what's happening ? | 12:12 |
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| Smitty_ | So, performing a git pull within my top level project directory appears to have updated whatever the problem was. BUT, now I get this: DEBUG: Executing shell function do_compile NOTE: make -j 56 ERROR: oe_runmake failed make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop | 12:25 |
| Smitty_ | for that same project | 12:26 |
| ChrysD | Smitty_ : Have you checked that you have everything now in your git repo? | 12:29 |
| ChrysD | Smitty_ : look to your do_compile | 12:29 |
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| Smitty_ | Thinking that the problem may be an out of date meta-data I cd'd into my project top level meta data directory, ran git reset --hard HEAD | 12:54 |
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| Smitty_ | then ran git pull ----recurse-submodules=yes | 12:54 |
| Smitty_ | then cd'd into my build directory | 12:55 |
| Smitty_ | run bitbake, then get the original error: ERROR: mobile-broadband-provider-info-1_20170310-r0 do_fetch: Fetcher failure for URL: 'git://git.gnome.org/mobile-broadband-provider-info'. Unable to fetch URL from any source. | 12:55 |
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| Smitty_ | Since many, many other subcomponents (.bb files) also contain git://git.gnome.org in their fetch url, this must be an error in that particular module | 12:57 |
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| neverpanic | Smitty_: I think your fetch was never successful, despite your sed -E 's#git://#https://#g' | 12:58 |
| neverpanic | Smitty_: At least that would explain the hash mismatch in COPYING (e.g. when the file isn't there at all), and your compile failure (no Makefile, no targets, make errors) | 12:59 |
| Smitty_ | actually, it seems that within oe-core only two modules use git://git.gnome.org recipes-connectivity/mobile-broadband-provider-info recipes-graphics/cantarell-fonts | 13:00 |
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| Smitty_ | OK, so how do I force a correct update ? | 13:00 |
| Smitty_ | I mean of my meta | 13:00 |
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| neverpanic | What do you want to do? Set the state of your working copy of the meta layer containing recipes to the upstream state, or re-run the fetch phase for the recipes that failed? | 13:05 |
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| Smitty_ | I guess I want to make sure that my meta is up to date, then re-run the build. I hope that would update any referenced URLS | 13:07 |
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| Smitty_ | Not only "up to date" but pristine. So, I just moved my originally checked-out met to a new directory, then ran git pull on the project https://github.com/rossburton/customdistro.git then attempt to run "bitbake customdistro" and still the same issue | 13:09 |
| Smitty_ | so, maybe I need to force bitbake to do a fresh pull on that module ? | 13:10 |
| Smitty_ | how is that accomplished | 13:10 |
| Smitty_ | I expect that to happen automagically | 13:10 |
| person_from_web | Hi, looking for hint... I'm building SDK package for some 2.1 based yocto tree software set. Here I got some success. However I need to include the rootfs image (as archive file) into SDK... | 13:11 |
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| Smitty_ | person_from_web: I may be a beginner here, but what you're asking for sounds like a very strange request. Why would you ship the rootfs image within the SDK image ? Why can't they be two files, if needed in a super-archive | 13:12 |
| person_from_web | 100% - aggree :) | 13:13 |
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| neverpanic | Smitty_: git clone git://git.gnome.org/mobile-broadband-provider-info works fine for me, so sounds like the problem is with your network? | 13:13 |
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| Smitty_ | Ahh, yes, I didn't consider that, I'm actually back to the original issue of not having a correctly configured git proxy | 13:14 |
| neverpanic | Smitty_: Alternatively, you can change the SRC_URI to git://git.gnome.org/browse/mobile-broadband-provider-info;protocol=https | 13:14 |
| Smitty_ | I'd rather configure my git proxy to work correctly, to avoid further errors | 13:15 |
| Smitty_ | of the same form | 13:15 |
| person_from_web | However, it is rather about "end-developers" control... You know, if you giving them more than one image, they immediately will mess up everything... And in my situation consistency of the image and sdk is quite important | 13:16 |
| person_from_web | So I'm looking for a possible way, how to bundle the image togather with SDK.... The only thing comed to my mind is to use shell script for finding actual archive in particular directory :) | 13:18 |
| ChrysD | person_from_web : When you say the rootfs image, you really speak about the "image file " or you would like having the complete tree as it shuold be in the board? | 13:18 |
| person_from_web | the last one | 13:19 |
| ChrysD | person_from_web : When you do bitbake -c populate_sdk <image> | 13:20 |
| ChrysD | person_from_web : you shuold have a script that will install you the sysroot where you want and so that the SDK no? | 13:20 |
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| person_from_web | hm... | 13:21 |
| PinkSnake | @<person_from_web> http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.3/sdk-manual/sdk-manual.html#sdk-installing-the-sdk | 13:22 |
| person_from_web | ChrysD: I have the toolchain definition, which is resulting the SDK bundle... | 13:24 |
| person_from_web | And as far as I understand "-c populate_sdk <image>" should create another SDK image for me... right ? | 13:25 |
| ChrysD | It shuold create the sysroots | 13:25 |
| ChrysD | And also the sdk for your computer | 13:25 |
| PinkSnake | @person_from_web http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.3/sdk-manual/sdk-manual.html#sdk-extracting-the-root-filesystem | 13:26 |
| ChrysD | + one file(a scriptà for setting the environmental values needed in case | 13:26 |
| person_from_web | PinkSnake: tnx... reading... | 13:27 |
| rj_ | Any chance someone would know why stdlib.h is not found? | 13:27 |
| rj_ | This is the error i get: https://pastebin.com/Ts9p4qaJ | 13:28 |
| Smitty_ | Oh My God !!! changing my .gitconfig to set gitProxy from ~/bin/git-proxy to /home/smitty/bin/git-proxy solved the issue. I haven't worked with such primitive tools since the 90s | 13:28 |
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| person_from_web | Okay... so yeah, I see the point of the advices I got, and this is actually what I already did and I already have :) | 13:35 |
| person_from_web | I have a sysroots/crosscompilers etc, I can compile the software for target platfrom and it works perfectly fine | 13:35 |
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| person_from_web | The problem I'm trying to solve is the partial image delivery to the developer through the SDK | 13:36 |
| ChrysD | person_from_web : what you mean? | 13:36 |
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| neverpanic | rj_: Missing dependency, maybe? Do you have a link to the recipe? | 13:38 |
| person_from_web | so the developer will glue up "rootfs-image-from-sdk" and "his-own-file-system-image"(probably some ext4 partition) and flash it to the target device | 13:38 |
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| PinkSnake | @person_from_web "partial image delivery" what do you mean ? | 13:41 |
| person_from_web | I'll provide ext4 image, the developer will "mount it", will put some files on it and flash to target device | 13:42 |
| ChrysD | person_from_web : He could flash directlry the target device | 13:42 |
| ChrysD | person_from_web : and with scp, he can copy so that he can test | 13:43 |
| person_from_web | no... there is no such possibility | 13:43 |
| person_from_web | no connectivity at all | 13:43 |
| ChrysD | person_from_web : How do you flash? | 13:43 |
| ChrysD | person_from_web : sdcard slot? | 13:43 |
| person_from_web | like that | 13:43 |
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| rj_ | neverpanic: It's a costum recipe, https://pastebin.com/yf8NgkJT | 13:55 |
| rj_ | Custom* | 13:56 |
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| neverpanic | rj_: Yeah, looks like a missing dependency. stdio.h is part of libc, but kernel modules don't depend on libc. IIRC there's some libc-initial-something or kernel-libc-headers package that provides these for use in kernel modules, but I don't have the details. | 14:02 |
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| rj_ | neverpanic: but this is about stdlib.h not stdio.h right..? | 14:03 |
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| neverpanic | Yes, sorry, typo. | 14:07 |
| rj_ | neverpanic: Ah okay, well i just added "linux-libc-headers" to the image | 14:07 |
| rj_ | neverpanic: so let's hope for the best | 14:07 |
| neverpanic | To the image, or the recipe? | 14:07 |
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| person_from_web | try to search your /home/user/poky/build/tmp/sysroots/genericx86-64 for that header in standard locations like ./usr/include | 14:10 |
| person_from_web | Probably you really miss it :) | 14:10 |
| rj_ | neverpanic: well, as dependency to the recipe | 14:18 |
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| rj_ | neverpanic: It didn't work sadly | 14:32 |
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| neverpanic | Did you check whether your sysroot has the file? | 14:33 |
| rj_ | neverpanic: yea, it does | 14:34 |
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| Smitty_ | Ruminating over the purpose of BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE. Is this variable somehow informing bitbake which environment variable it is allowed to look at ? | 14:47 |
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| lsandov | Smitty_: list of env variables that you can use inside bitbake | 14:56 |
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| lsandov | Smitty_: basically you can extract those values with d.getVar | 14:56 |
| Smitty_ | COnfused about why/how a file named example_0.1.bb somehow automatically references a directory parallel to it named example-0.1 why the difference between underscore and hyphen ? | 14:57 |
| lsandov | Smitty_: the underscore separates the package name and the package version | 14:58 |
| Smitty_ | and the hyphen ? | 14:58 |
| Smitty_ | Also does that | 14:58 |
| Smitty_ | ? | 14:58 |
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| Smitty_ | What I am getting at is that somehow the build system looks at the name of the file example_0.1.bb, and magically knows that do_compile, SRC_URI (and probably others) are actually referring to files within a directory named "example-0.1" So, why change from an underscore to a hyphen ? | 15:00 |
| lsandov | Smitty_: the hypen and part of the PN | 15:00 |
| lsandov | so example-0.1 is the package name | 15:00 |
| lsandov | example_0.1, just example is the package name | 15:01 |
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| lpapp | hi, any plans for openssl 1.1.0? | 15:01 |
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| lsandov | Smitty_: pastebin your recipe | 15:05 |
| lsandov | Smitty_: so we can have more context | 15:05 |
| Smitty_ | https://pastebin.com/4CKfDg81 | 15:05 |
| lsandov | Smitty_: oh. that is the hello world created with yocto-layer, right? | 15:06 |
| Smitty_ | This is in a file named meta-custom/recipes-example/example/example-0.1/example_0.1.bb EVen the path to the file is consistent, but the bb file name doesn't match | 15:06 |
| Smitty_ | yes | 15:07 |
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| lsandov | Smitty_: I see what you mean | 15:08 |
| Smitty_ | Is that standard ? to have such an inconsistency for the bb file name | 15:09 |
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| Smitty_ | I mean, is that intentional, or works by accident ? | 15:09 |
| lsandov | Smitty_: it is intentional and the standard | 15:10 |
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| lsandov | so you have a recipe name foo_X.Y.bb then you can place your patches or any file inside: foo or foo-X.Y or files | 15:11 |
| Smitty_ | So, the build environment is looking for a file named "package_version.bb" in a directory named "recipes-package", and also expect parallel source in a subdirectory named "package-version" but for some reason the bb file contains an underscore in the naame, and no other element of this package does | 15:12 |
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| lsandov | Smitty_: recipes have standalone folders so no parallel recipes/sources is expected | 15:14 |
| lsandov | Smitty_: you can modify recipes in another layers, but this is not what you mean I believe | 15:15 |
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| vm_ | hi, when i build with toaster, where are the "Bitbake Variables" stored ? | 15:19 |
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| Smitty_ | example_0.1.bb (the pastebin) SRC_URI variable and the do_compile() both reference helloworld.c without explicitly naming the directory example-0.1 That directory is parallel to example_0.1.bb file. So, there must be some weird implicit rule that allows bitbake to know to look there | 15:19 |
| Smitty_ | And it's the strange inconsistency between underscore and hyphen that I find confusing | 15:20 |
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| lsandov | Smitty_: there are some variables to understand all this | 15:24 |
| lsandov | check WORKDIR, S and B definitions | 15:24 |
| lsandov | WORKDIR is the parent folder of the recipe inside TMPDIR, S is where the source code is located and B the build folder | 15:25 |
| lsandov | Smitty_: you can use bitbake -e hello-world | grep ^<name of the variable> to check its value | 15:25 |
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| lsandov | Smitty_: and yes, the hyphen/underscore is a bit confusing | 15:26 |
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| black_13 | how do i set my permissions so that can yocto can run on a vagrant user | 15:47 |
| black_13 | how do I set my permissions so that the yocto scripts can run with a vagrant user | 15:49 |
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| lsandov | black_13: what do you mean? you want to launch a VM and inside run yocto? | 15:53 |
| black_13 | i figured it out | 15:53 |
| black_13 | i had to dust off the linux/unix grey matter notes | 15:53 |
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| ketemphor | I have a prebaked image from device manufacturer and I'd like to modify one of the packages without figuring out the entire dev chain for baking my own image. I need to modify tcf-agent with some different build flags. It's available in vendor's opkg servers, but I don't know how to reconfigure it from that level. Is that feasible? | 15:58 |
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| kergoth | you can't use an ipk feed to rebuild a package from source. it's not debian, no source packages are provided | 16:02 |
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| ketemphor | I would try to rebuild from scratch using the git repo, but I'm stuck at the hardware layer. Git repo has i686 and i386 in its machine subdirectory, but my hardware identifies as i586 (intel quark) | 16:03 |
| ketemphor | thanks kergoth, still trying to get my head around some of these concepts | 16:04 |
| kergoth | no idea what you're referring to there, but you can target any architecture | 16:04 |
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| ketemphor | I really should try it, sorry, I just read the makefile first and it tries to query the local uname -m and defines a variable that picks out particular include and .c files based on cpu architecture | 16:07 |
| ketemphor | just my arch doesn't have a subdir so I assumed it wouldn't work | 16:08 |
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| kergoth | the recipe no doubt addresses all of that already | 16:15 |
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| kergoth | which is why oe exists, so its recipes can deal with the crosscompilation madness so you don't have to | 16:16 |
| kergoth | http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-devtools/tcf-agent/tcf-agent_git.bb?h=master | 16:16 |
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| ketemphor | yeah, i have the recipe mod I think I need: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5069#c4 , but I don't know if I have access to the original recipes that this vendor used to construct this image... it's not buried in the image somewhere, is it? | 16:19 |
| yocti | Bug 5069: enhancement, Medium, Future, david.reyna, NEW , Eclipse TCF can support arm cpu debug now,but tcf-agent_git.bb can't do it this time. | 16:19 |
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| kergoth | no, oe metadata isn't deployed to the target. you'd have to check with the manufacturer | 16:21 |
| ketemphor | ohh, think i might have found it: https://github.com/siemens/meta-iot2000 ... so you think that's easier to figure out the bitbake application than try to rebuild a single app by hand? | 16:21 |
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| kergoth | do you already have the toolchain from the manufacturer? even if you *do* have the exact toolchain (and the glibc version will have to match your rootfs), you'd have to adjujst for any crosscompilation issues yourself, and also use the correct tuning arguments to ensure the resulting binaries rae even compatible with your rootfs libraries | 16:22 |
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| kergoth | and that's assuming it even works without the patches we're applying to the upstream sources | 16:23 |
| ketemphor | yes, have sdk toolchain and can crosscompile from windows and direct compile on machine | 16:24 |
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| ketemphor | If bitbake is relatively straightforward given a preexisting configuration, I may go that route, it just looks intimidating from the outside | 16:24 |
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| kergoth | that depends on what your device manufacturer has provided, really | 16:26 |
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| kergoth | but as i just described, there'll be difficulty doing either direction, so pick your pain :) | 16:27 |
| ketemphor | well, they claim that repo has all the files necessary to build the example image that I'm running on now | 16:27 |
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| ketemphor | thanks, kergoth, you've saved me from a couple of dead-ends anyway ... :) | 16:30 |
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| SomeDumbBumb | I would not say that bitbake is straightforward. It's unnecessarily complicated, in fact, I'd say it's a total mess. It does work, somehow, though. | 16:49 |
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| kergoth | I wouldn't say it's unnecessarily complicated, given the problem being solved and the focus on flexibility. The file format is admittedly a bit of a mess, a hodgepodge of declarative and imperative content. | 17:02 |
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| SomeDumbBumb | I agree to disagree. BitBake's use of inference is incredibly confusing. There are too many inferred behaviors, which are optionally over-ridden explicitly in a seemingly random architecture of conf/layer.conf, target.bbclass, etc, etc. I compare it to equally complicated projects in other huge project build systems like buildroot, or even CMake that do the same thing in a manner which seems far better | 17:17 |
| SomeDumbBumb | designed and is much easier to understand. | 17:17 |
| kergoth | buildroot has much different goals, and cmake isn't even in the same ballgame. cmake is analagous to make, whereas bitbake and buildroot are a level above that, more along the lines of the buildsystems of debian, fedora, etc, but with crosscompilation capability | 17:19 |
| SomeDumbBumb | CMake handles cross compilation much easier than either bitbake or buildroot | 17:19 |
| SomeDumbBumb | IMHO | 17:20 |
| SomeDumbBumb | It also supports fetching source | 17:20 |
| SomeDumbBumb | and packaging | 17:20 |
| SomeDumbBumb | Inn short, I find CMake vastly superior, and can't believe anyone actually gets anything accomplished with bitbake. But, then, I guess I am still learning | 17:21 |
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| kergoth | cmake knows nothing about handling crosscompilation for other project buildsystems. | 17:25 |
| kergoth | for its own sources its compiling, sure | 17:25 |
| kergoth | nowhere near enough to build a distribution | 17:25 |
| kergoth | and buildroot is nowhere near capable enough either, it's weaknesses are largely why oe exists at all | 17:26 |
| kergoth | it didn't scale well enough | 17:26 |
| SomeDumbBumb | Sorry, do yo know about CMAKE_TOOLCHAIN_FILE ? | 17:27 |
| SomeDumbBumb | where you trivially set the compiler, linker, archiver, along with optional flags for all those tools, and sysroot location, | 17:29 |
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| vm_ | whats best way to reconfigure/rebuild u-boot? with meta-toolchain or bitbake -c u-boot | 17:31 |
| SomeDumbBumb | It that ^^ type of question that should make people realise how confusing bitbake is to use. | 17:33 |
| SomeDumbBumb | That shouldn't even be a valid question. There should be one, standard way to do such a standard operation | 17:33 |
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| khem | SomeDumbBumb: good feedback, if you can comeup with some feature requrests against bitbake that will make it better for users it would be cool | 17:35 |
| khem | SomeDumbBumb: All tools suck in general and some may suck more, | 17:36 |
| khem | we just want to keep the bar low | 17:36 |
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| vm_ | how can i rebuild u-boot with meta-toolchain | 17:40 |
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| kergoth | SomeDumbBumb: unless CMAKE_TOOLCHAIN_FILE can magically fix all the problems with autoconf, you just proved my point. it can handle crosscompilation for *shit its compiling*, not the buildsystems of other projects it has to call into. | 17:52 |
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| khem | kergoth: there is a reason why we dont have a cmake based linux distro | 18:03 |
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| jmesmon | Hey folks, I'm trying to track down why some of my recipes are rebuilding when I change the DISTRO_VERSION variable. I've manually looked at the recipes and their includes & couldn't find a direct usage of DISTRO_VERSION, I've looked at `bitbake -e linux-foo` (I'm trying to keep a custom linux from rebuilding) and not seen any DISTRO_VERSION reference in the tasks. `bitbake-whatchanged linux-foo` doesn't | 18:35 |
| jmesmon | appear useful, it prints out lots of items. bitbake-diffsigs -t linux-foo do_fetch (I'd noticed it running this task) shows some differences that don't really make sense: it has a change to DISTRO_FEATURES which shouldn't be happening (I'm not changing the DISTRO). It also looks like the output is mixed up with 2 things trying to print at the same time (I'm running morty, so this might be fixed in master). Any | 18:35 |
| jmesmon | ideas for things to look at that I've missed? | 18:35 |
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| JPEWhacker | jmesmon: Are you building an SDK? | 18:50 |
| SomeDumbBumb | OK, you're saying CMake can't build a non-CMake project - or can't make it build croos-platform, or what ? | 18:51 |
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| jmesmon | JPEWhacker: no, just building an image. Also, I've overridden SDKPATH for when I do build an sdk :) | 18:55 |
| jmesmon | Oh, this is using poky as the base (so SDKPATH would normally include SDK_VERSION, which in turn uses DISTRO_VERSION). | 18:56 |
| jmesmon | The bitbake-diffsigs output seems like it could be hinting at the issue, output almost looks like something isn't using the DISTRO config for do_fetch (at some time) | 18:58 |
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| jmesmon | Or bitbake-diffsigs might just be wrong. | 18:58 |
| jmesmon | Here's what it says for the curious: https://gist.github.com/322729ec21c1469f62c8a65ca78e8f3a (note that the mixing of output is what I see too) | 18:59 |
| kergoth | I don't see any mixing of output | 19:09 |
| kergoth | SRC_URI is multi-line | 19:09 |
| kergoth | looks exactly how it should afaict | 19:09 |
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| jmesmon | kergoth: so the 'DISTRO_FEATURES{bluez5} = Unset' lines interspersed are expected? I'm pretty sure that that text isn't actually in SRC_URI | 20:02 |
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| jmesmon | I mean, it's contents clearly depends on that info, so it it is useful to see it. But mixing it into the output of SRC_URI seems wrong | 20:02 |
| jmesmon | with fewer 'it's: SRC_URI's contents clearly depends on the DISTRO_FEATURES noted, so it is useful to see the DISTRO_FEATURES values, but mixing the DISTRO_FEATURES values into the output of SRC_URI seems wrong. | 20:04 |
| kergoth | jmesmon: that's how bitbake handles 'contains' type variables for the checksum | 20:05 |
| kergoth | it's not part of the value for the variable in the metadata, but it *is* in the string that's checksummed for that variable, and bitbake-diffsigs is comparing those, not the original | 20:06 |
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| jmesmon | got it. | 20:46 |
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| ftoth | @paulg, @khem, thanks guys, I went with ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND and that worked. My initramfs boots and mmc partitions emerge. Now fixup the init script.. | 22:06 |
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| paulg | glad it worked out for him. | 22:59 |
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