Monday, 2018-04-02

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seebsheh, i think i have an SL-5500 around the house somewhere.00:13
seebssharp took down all their SDKs at one point.00:13
JPEWhackerseebs: I think I know why your syscall() test case succeeded but that build failed00:14
seebsooh00:14
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JPEWhackerThe build was calling syscall() during the shared-library initialization (before main()), which must have been before pseudo shared library initialization00:15
seebshmm. maybe, but i *thought* pseudo initialized on first call to a wrapper.00:15
seebs... come to think of it, no, i think there's a couple cases where we try to do it earlier.00:16
JPEWhackerNo I check, pseudo does it on library initalization00:16
seebs... i had apparently forgotten this.00:16
seebsahh, yeah, back in _libpseudo_init(). which is, it turns out, not *sufficiently* reliably early, which is why all the wrappers have to check for initialization anyway.00:17
seebswe probably don't strictly need to do it, even, but it seems like a good plan.00:17
JPEWhackerI think you want to.... it could be a pain if it tried to initialize after threading is started00:18
seebsYeah.00:18
seebsI mean, someone will probably eventually hit that anyway.00:18
seebsI sorta wanna go study the cross-localedef failure and see if I can find out where the issue was.00:18
seebsBecause my guess is it's an actual bug in cross-localedef, just one which is usually-harmless.00:18
seebsAlthough it's *possible* that they're using one of the rare calls which actually promises not to set errno unless there's an error.00:19
JPEWhackerYa, I wasn't paying any attention to that one :)00:19
seebsThe immediate cause was that the reworked path computation had an error in the initial logic for determining the starting state of the "what kind of thing are we looking at" stat buf.00:20
seebsWhich could cause it to call lstat("", &buf), which would set errno.00:20
seebsOtherwise, you only get errno set by that code if you're resolving a path which actually contains a nonexistent file.00:20
seebsone of the places i sent an application to had a thing saying "oh, and if you have an existing open source project, you can use that instead of doing this little programming exercise"...00:22
seebsbut it turns out they want something under 2k lines of code so they have any hope of jumping in and understanding it usefully. and that seems fair.00:22
seebs... I did, however, have one person tell me that they were just skipping the technical side of interviewing entirely because they knew what pseudo was.00:22
JPEWhackerYa... pseudo is not something I would necessarily want for an application example00:23
seebsIt is not pretty code.00:23
neverpanicReally? I don't think that's fair, because what's their goal in understanding? Don't they just want to see how you work?00:23
seebsI try to fix it up, but there's a lot of mandatory cruft.00:23
JPEWhackerNo... it necessarily has to do very not-pretty things00:23
seebsWell, they wanted to be able to, say, ask questions about the thing, and see whether my answers made sense.00:23
neverpanicIt all depends on the job, really. I'd love to see somebody apply that wrote something similar to pseudo.00:23
seebsAnd with something like pseudo, none of their people would necessarily have the background to know whether my answers were sensible.00:24
neverpanicOh, OK, I guess that makes sense.00:24
seebsMy favorite, though, was the time some people lectured me on how I shouldn't be doing string handling in C, I should be writing in Python.00:24
JPEWhackerrecruiting is hard00:24
seebsAnd I said that, for the app in question, I didn't think Python would be a good fit, but they assured me Python would be fine for it.00:24
seebsYeah.00:24
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JPEWhackerI know people hate them, but the "off the wall" interview questions really are good at getting context-free problem solving00:27
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JPEWhackerI wish there was something that could provide that sort of thing that, you know, actually applies to Software00:27
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seebsI was super impressed by Triplebyte's interview process, honestly. Doesn't really check for context-free problem solving, exactly, but it does get over a lot of ground.00:28
seebsMy observation is that I'm a very good debugger. But more interestingly/usefully, I'm *especially* good at "things other people get stuck on".00:28
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seebsWith the counterpoint being that other people are likely to be good at things I get stuck on.00:29
seebsBut that means that, in a collaborative environment, I'm more useful than my "raw" ability would indicate, as long as other people have different... whatever the term should be. Polarity or something.00:29
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JPEWhackerIt takes a team. Sometimes my best coworkers almost *never* agreed with me... made me had to be *really* sure I was right :)00:33
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JamalWhere is the configuration file stored in Yocto. So I can check whether the bootloader is either grub or uboot05:25
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JamalI am getting the following error: ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'u-boot-fw-utils' (but /home/jamal/Yocto/poky/meta-swupdate/recipes-support/swupdate/swupdate_2018.03.bb DEPENDS on or otherwise requires it) When I compile for Intel Board, all the repos are master branch05:33
yoctiNew news from stackoverflow: Is there any .config file in Yocto similar to buildroot <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49605611/is-there-any-config-file-in-yocto-similar-to-buildroot>05:38
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xtronwhat parameter defines the arrangement of layers in conf/bblayers.conf ?? for example a layer should be parsed after oe-core layer, but it is place before oe-core in BBLAYERS. I tried to make it dependent on "core" but arrangement of layers is same08:30
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yoctiNew news from stackoverflow: Steps for using swupdate in Yocto Project <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49609225/steps-for-using-swupdate-in-yocto-project>10:08
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itsfemme[m]Are there instructions for using https://github.com/schnitzeltony/meta-qt5-extra somewhere?12:01
itsfemme[m]I get qmake errors12:01
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zloyhello :)12:39
zloyis there a way to get commit hash of the package but not parsing the package recipe?12:40
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RPzloy: that question doesn't really make sense I'm afraid13:31
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armpitRP, rocko-next fyi, those sec passed build over the weekend14:59
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* armpit sign.. what it is the point in backporting and running builds when stuff just ends up in *-next 15:01
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* armpit lots of wasted time15:03
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AbleBacon"alright--looks like everything's set up. i'll just set off this build and it'll finish over the weekend" i come back on monday:  2 errors Build time: 00:00:1315:13
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armpitRP, what should I make my pull request from pyro or pyro-next?15:35
RParmpit: is pyro-next ready to merge?15:55
RParmpit: you didn't waste time as those patches needed testing. We now know they work15:56
RParmpit: I just put them there so they didn't get forgotten as a reminder to me that they needed testing15:56
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armpityes stable/pyro-next can be merged. it was rebased against pyro-next16:04
armpitso its the last 4 commits16:05
RParmpit: rocko is ok too?16:05
armpityes16:06
armpitboth ran clean this weekend16:06
RParmpit: great, that helps a lot, thanks!16:06
RParmpit: just saw the email, thanks!16:07
RParmpit: any further idea what was up with morty?16:08
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armpitno.. I am integrating the  "fixup" changes into the appropriate backport and testing to see which one is causing the issue.16:11
armpitI just remembered morty is "smart" based16:12
RParmpit: right, this is the challenge, making this work under smart :(16:12
rozacharhow can i make a recipe to drop 3rd party binary files on the rfs and make it ignore all qa checks and dependancy related checks16:18
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* armpit cool 4.16 is out, 4.15 should be out soon16:30
* armpit time to move my kernels16:31
laplante_rozachar: a good place to start: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/TipsAndTricks/Packaging_Prebuilt_Libraries16:34
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laplante_rozachar: and you can use INHIBIT_DEFAULT_DEPS for the latter part of your question: https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/latest/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#var-INHIBIT_DEFAULT_DEPS16:45
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khemarmpit: 4.16 is released on 1/4 be careful :)17:52
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JPEWI would also expect 4.16 to have many more easter eggs that usual17:57
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khemgcc is becoming more like my mom https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2018/03/15/gcc-8-usability-improvements/18:07
khemwhich is good. I think AI/ML should be next step for compilers, where they can autocorrect the intention of developers in code on fly18:08
khemwe might only need one liner DWIM ( Do what I mean )18:09
JaMa~:)18:11
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kergothkhem: nice18:12
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* armpit why is it when I see the pkg lowpan I think of "Big trouble in Little China movie??"18:20
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rozacharlaplante_, thanks -  I also needed to add SKIP_FILEDEPS_ and EXCLUDE_FROM_SHLIBS , but it now seems to work19:02
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aehs29khem: cool20:12
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hastakehello21:21
hastakei am trying to execute some bitbake thing in the google container builder. unfortunately after the setup-env, the cmd "bitbake <target img>" output "ERROR: Unable to start bitbake server" and stop21:22
hastakeit works localy. by any chance, does someone know something about this?21:22
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hastakeeven with bitbake -DD there is not more error msg21:30
clsullivhastake: maybe a missing host package?21:35
clsullivhttps://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/mega-manual/mega-manual.html#packages21:35
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hastakeclsulliv: unfortunalty no, i checked that the package are installed in the building image21:52
hastakeit seems to be generated by that https://github.com/openembedded/bitbake/blob/master/lib/bb/server/process.py#L404 line21:53
hastakewhat are the network requirements of this bitbake server?21:54
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RPseebs: good news, pseudo master is looking much happier in a test build. Not completed yet but looking good22:12
RPseebs: thanks! :)22:12
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AbleBaconhow do i go about eliminating this error?22:30
AbleBacon. /home/user/poky/_toaster_clones/_https___git.yoctoproject.org_git_meta-freescale_rocko/recipes-graphics/wayland/weston_2.0.0.bbappend22:30
AbleBaconi have no idea what wayland or weston are22:30
AbleBaconi need to give it something, but i don't know how to go about getting what it's looking for22:31
AbleBaconis there a way to remove whatever feature it's trying to make so the error will go away?22:32
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aehs29AbleBacon: wayland is a DISRTO_FEATURE IIRC22:34
aehs29AbleBacon: you may remove it but idk if its actually what you want22:34
aehs29AbleBacon: what was the actual error that was shown22:34
AbleBaconoh, i'm using toaster so that's all i could see of it22:35
aehs29AbleBacon: Im sure theres a way to see that on toaster I just dont remember22:35
AbleBaconwell, i did the "DISTRO_remove" thing or whatever it was so it's gone now22:36
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AbleBaconsomething called "quilt" is just kicking my ass... ugh23:21
AbleBaconkilling every build no matter what i try23:21
seebsyay, glad it's working better.23:22
seebsi think the path code may be slightly cleaner/faster now, in general.23:22
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