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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Display webpages with QtWebEngine on embedded device - ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54006719/display-webpages-with-qtwebengine-on-embedded-device-err-ssl-protocol-error> | 13:08 |
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| kanavin | RP: do you know when ross would be back? | 13:16 |
| RP | kanavin: I am not sure | 13:17 |
| RP | kanavin: I'd assumed today but it would seem not | 13:17 |
| kanavin | RP: I have got virgl patchset to a working proof of concept by the way | 13:18 |
| kanavin | RP: I'll send it as RFC when people are mostly back from holidays | 13:18 |
| RP | kanavin: nice. That should be an interesting development, brings back something we use to do badly :) | 13:18 |
| RP | kanavin: it'll wipe out my build time gains from the toolchain cleanup ;-) | 13:19 |
| kanavin | RP: I have written down some thoughts here: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12938#c1 | 13:19 |
| yocti | Bug 12938: enhancement, Medium+, 2.7 M2, Martin.Jansa, NEW , virglrenderer+spice support in qemu-native with accelerated GL | 13:19 |
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| RP | kanavin: hmm, some good questions there | 13:20 |
| kanavin | RP: yep, calling into host's /usr/lib/lib*GL* is probably less robust than writing to an X server socket | 13:22 |
| kanavin | RP: still, I think we are heading towards a reality where some kind of working GL is a 'must | 13:22 |
| kanavin | ' for writing UIs | 13:22 |
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| kanavin | typically people build images and then transfer them to the NUC or even target boards for testing - using qemu would be less awkward | 13:23 |
| RP | kanavin: agreed. This is why we tried this a few years ago | 13:24 |
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| kanavin | RP: I have fixed a few things in perl-sanity that were found last time, can you try this branch on the AB? http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/log/?h=akanavin/perl-sanity | 13:36 |
| RP | kanavin: build triggered: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/85/builds/78 | 13:41 |
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| kanavin | RP: thanks, is that the 'quick' build? | 13:49 |
| RP | kanavin: yes | 13:50 |
| RP | kanavin: two builds running, one a -next and yours | 13:50 |
| kanavin | RP: I'd also like some package updates to get merged - ross had them in mut, and then nothing happened http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/log/?h=akanavin/package-version-updates | 13:51 |
| RP | kanavin: sorry, they go lost in the holidays. Queued in -next now | 13:56 |
| kanavin | RP: thanks :) | 13:59 |
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| RP | kanavin: few failures already :( | 14:33 |
| RP | kanavin: further than last time though I think? | 14:34 |
| kanavin | RP: yes, they are failures I haven't seen before :) | 14:34 |
| RP | kanavin: good and bad :) | 14:39 |
| kanavin | RP: is eclipse-plugin-oxygen failure unrelated? | 14:40 |
| RP | kanavin: yes, its failing everywhere. Waiting for people to return from vaction | 14:40 |
| Crofton | We must outlaw vacation | 14:43 |
| Crofton | at least the last two weeks of the year | 14:43 |
| kergoth | heh | 14:44 |
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| RP | Crofton: +1 :) | 15:10 |
| Crofton | If everyone os going to take two weeks off together, lets do it when the weather is better! | 15:11 |
| RP | Crofton: its actually been quite good for mtbs here ;-) | 15:11 |
| kanavin | RP: this error seems specific to the build host - would you be able to share the WORKDIR of perl-native and dos2unix recipes? https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/64/builds/137 | 15:15 |
| RP | kanavin: you don't have ssh access to them? | 15:17 |
| kanavin | RP: I can try - I have access to auh machine, but not sure if I can access autobuilders | 15:18 |
| RP | kanavin: looks like not that one :( | 15:18 |
| kanavin | seems like I do not: | 15:19 |
| kanavin | alexander@alexander-box:~/development/poky/meta$ ssh akanavin@autobuilder.yoctoproject.org | 15:19 |
| kanavin | akanavin@autobuilder.yoctoproject.org: Permission denied (publickey). | 15:19 |
| RP | kanavin: https://autobuilder.yocto.io/pub/dos2unix.tgz | 15:24 |
| RP | kanavin: https://autobuilder.yocto.io/pub/perl-native.tgz | 15:24 |
| kanavin | RP: cheers | 15:24 |
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| kanavin | RP: seems like shebang length exceeded issue | 15:26 |
| kanavin | it's 127 right? | 15:26 |
| RP | kanavin: yes, I think so | 15:29 |
| RP | kanavin: we did have to work around that in the past from what I recall | 15:29 |
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| kanavin | RP: " The perl upgrade continues to be blocked on the fallout from meta-openembedded " - I have patches :) | 15:54 |
| RP | kanavin: I meant Jen's work - or did you fix that? | 15:55 |
| kanavin | RP: I didn't; our patches are actually independent. | 15:56 |
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| RP | kanavin: right. I was kind of leaning to upgrading, then looking at the cross switch | 15:56 |
| kanavin | RP: depends on who gets his patchset to a working state first I guess :) | 15:57 |
| RP | kanavin: :) | 15:57 |
| kanavin | the idea of perl-cross is that there's a bit of pain right now, but future updates should be much easier | 15:58 |
| kanavin | if we stay with existing recipe, it will be lots of pain every time | 15:58 |
| RP | kanavin: I get it, one just seemed much closer than the other. That of course can change | 15:58 |
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| kanavin | RP: what is the repo with autobuilder configurations? | 16:26 |
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| RP | kanavin: yocto-autobuilder-helper ? | 16:26 |
| kanavin | RP: ah, config.json? I somehow assumed those were in separate files | 16:27 |
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| RP | kanavin: yes | 16:30 |
| RP | kanavin: its simple enough not to need separate files any more :) | 16:30 |
| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Adding iptables to yocto causes image do_rootfs to fail due to wrong kernel version <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54009728/adding-iptables-to-yocto-causes-image-do-rootfs-to-fail-due-to-wrong-kernel-vers> | 16:38 |
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| khem | HNY to all | 18:23 |
| khem | RP: I have runit (another init system) to contribute, I was wondering if oe-core is right place to maintain it or should it have layer of its own or maybe part of meta-oe | 18:25 |
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| aehs29 | khem: same to you khem | 18:37 |
| * armpit hmm, Honey to all.. khem you are sweet too | 18:37 | |
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| kroon | In order to set some kernel CONFIG_xxx option, is there a bitbake variable one can set, or should one put them in a .cfg file and add it to SRC_URI ? | 18:40 |
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| kergoth | kroon: the latter, assuming the krenel recipe supports fragments. not all do, so it depends on your MACHINE | 18:49 |
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| kroon | kergoth, ok, thanks | 18:52 |
| kergoth | linux-yocto supports them, and a few others on a case by case basis. you can assume it works for the former, for the latter you'll have toe xamine the kernel recipe | 18:53 |
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| kroon | still, it would be nice to be able to just write a .bbappend instead of .bbappend+.cfg in this case | 19:10 |
| kergoth | I'm sure you could roll your own metadata driven config file adjuster, but how exactly you inject it depends on the recipe | 19:17 |
| kergoth | if the recipe uses a file://defconfig, it'd be trivial to inject the changes in a do_patch postfunc or do_configure prefunc, but otehrwise not so much.. the way the config becomes .config varies with recipe | 19:18 |
| kroon | yeah, I was thinking that specifically for linux-yocto* maybe it makes sense to add support for this | 19:20 |
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| khem | is there an elegant way to avoid .netrc and still have passwords | 20:13 |
| khem | flying around | 20:13 |
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| neverpanic | khem: a keyring API, e.g. libsecret | 20:15 |
| neverpanic | unfortunately not all tools in poky enable support for that, e.g. the subversion binary won't have it due to missing dependencies | 20:15 |
| neverpanic | Plus you'd have to somehow get a DBus session bus into the build environment for that to work, which probably means fiddling with BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE | 20:16 |
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| * derRichard is a amazed by the horrid complexity of kernel .config management in yocto ;-\ | 20:51 | |
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| kergoth | yeah, trying to securely pass passwords into the underlying fetch tools sounds non-trivial and fetcher-by-fetcher.. | 20:58 |
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| neverpanic | It's possible though, I've done it before with git, but gave up on SVN when I would have had to package more dependencies | 21:04 |
| RP | derRichard: its actually way better than it use to be :/ | 21:07 |
| derRichard | RP: i'm migrating from a different build system to yocto and the old .config approach was "copy xy-linux.config for machine XY from directory configs/ to kernel's .config". | 21:10 |
| derRichard | doing this in yocto seems to be more complicated that expected | 21:10 |
| derRichard | *than | 21:11 |
| derRichard | i thought KBUILD_DEFCONFIG_machine = ... is the way to go | 21:11 |
| derRichard | but it expects the kernel config in the kernel tree | 21:11 |
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| RP | derRichard: file://defconfig in SRC_URI can do that iirc | 21:21 |
| RP | derRichard: then machineA/defconfig machineB/defconfig | 21:22 |
| derRichard | RP: aaah!! file://defconfig will search for a file named defconfig in <machinename>? | 21:23 |
| kergoth | search the docs for FILESPATH | 21:24 |
| kergoth | that's how file:// does its thing | 21:24 |
| derRichard | kergoth: ok, FILESPATH is what i need to understand. thx | 21:24 |
| RP | derRichard: what kergoth said | 21:24 |
| jonmason | yes, you can specify the defconfig that way. I tried it out last month and it works | 21:25 |
| jonmason | now the yocto-kernel-cache takes a bit of a learning curve :) | 21:25 |
| jonmason | RP: just sent out the (yocto-kernel-cache) config patches for qemuarma15 based system. Since the v4.19 kernel recipe will need the SHA from that to work, would you like me to wait for it to be accepted to send out the qemuarm update patches or send out now as an RFC (to get eyeballs on them earlier)? | 21:28 |
| derRichard | kergoth: hmm, i'm reading https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/latest/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#var-FILESPATH | 21:29 |
| derRichard | but it does not mention the machine name | 21:29 |
| derRichard | or is the magic hidden in FILESEXTRAPATHS? | 21:29 |
| jonmason | you add it in the kernel recipe | 21:30 |
| khem | neverpanic: svn is not used so thats not going to be an issue | 21:30 |
| jonmason | at least, that is what I did | 21:30 |
| derRichard | jonmason: ok, this should work | 21:30 |
| derRichard | let me give it a try | 21:30 |
| kergoth | derRichard: hmm, that's rather sparse. no, it's the base_set_filespath function that adds the subdir based on OVERRIDES to the search path for each entry | 21:30 |
| kergoth | i'm surprised the docs are that sparse about it | 21:31 |
| derRichard | kergoth: TBH, i like yocto a lot but the docs are very sparse in general. they talk alot about obvious things but not about the neat tricks you can do and why/how they work. | 21:32 |
| Crofton | aehs29, you have any jtag/minized skills? | 21:32 |
| RP | derRichard: where we run into sparsesness of docs, could you file a bug please? Unfortunately its not obvious to us where this sparseness is :/ | 21:33 |
| kergoth | this particular case is a serious gap, though. OVERRIDES is key to the whole project and was critical in the original design of bitbake. the entries in overrides are used for individual vars throughout the metadata, config file inclusions (though manually), and pulling files/patches/config files | 21:33 |
| derRichard | RP: sure! | 21:33 |
| kergoth | yeah, a bug is a great idea | 21:33 |
| derRichard | i'm more or less back from vacation and have time ;) | 21:34 |
| RP | kergoth: we definitely need to fix it | 21:34 |
| kergoth | being able to define metadata in such a way that more specific information/configuration is used in preference to less specific is one of the original key concepts to how this all works | 21:34 |
| RP | kergoth: doesn't mean our tech writer knows that :/ | 21:35 |
| kergoth | i absolutely *suck* at acquiring beginner's mind or reading docs like a beginner, it's really really helpful for new users to submit bugs about docs so those of us with more experience know what isn't obvious | 21:35 |
| Crofton | kergoth, you are not alone :) | 21:36 |
| RP | indeed | 21:36 |
| derRichard | kergoth: happens all the time to me too. when you code something yourself everything is clear/easy :) | 21:36 |
| RP | derRichard: we've been doing this too long ;-) | 21:37 |
| derRichard | on the other hand, at least do have docs :-) | 21:38 |
| derRichard | you | 21:38 |
| RP | derRichard: we do try! :) | 21:39 |
| kroon | Does OE do automatic detection of shebang-interpreter runtime dependencies for scripts in packages ? | 21:39 |
| RP | derRichard: and if you file the bug it should get improved, we do have a process for that! :) | 21:39 |
| RP | kroon: the rpmdeps code does, I'm not sure it filters to all package backends | 21:39 |
| kergoth | derRichard: an open source project that has a technical writer at all is novel to me :) | 21:40 |
| derRichard | RP: pushed that already to my todo list | 21:40 |
| derRichard | kergoth: lol, yes. | 21:40 |
| kergoth | project overemphasis on code contributions is one of my pet peeves | 21:40 |
| RP | kergoth: I remember the conversation where that came about... | 21:40 |
| kergoth | not an issue with this one thankfully | 21:40 |
| * RP has fought for that a lot over the years | 21:40 | |
| RP | it wasn't my idea but I did fight for it | 21:41 |
| Crofton | the single most useful thing the Yocto Project has done is pay a tech writer | 21:41 |
| Crofton | well user visible | 21:41 |
| RP | Crofton: layer model? there are a few others ;-) | 21:41 |
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| derRichard | hmm, is the hddimg image type gone? i get "No IMAGE_CMD defined for IMAGE_FSTYPES hddimg...". and indeed, i don't find a IMAGE_CMD_hddimg definition | 21:43 |
| kroon | RP, oh ok.. yeah, maybe the rpmdeps results isn't propagating to ipk packages then | 21:44 |
| RP | derRichard: https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/latest/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#var-FILESOVERRIDES hints at it btw | 21:44 |
| RP | not that its at all obvious | 21:44 |
| kergoth | huh, pysh chokes on arithmetic expansion | 21:48 |
| kergoth | that's posix.. | 21:48 |
| * kergoth rolls eyes | 21:48 | |
| RP | derRichard: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13112 - I filed it and added some comments, see if that helps | 21:50 |
| yocti | Bug 13112: normal, Undecided, ---, srifenbark, NEW , FILESPATH and FILESOVERRIDES documentation lacks key detail | 21:50 |
| RP | kergoth: its an open bug | 21:50 |
| kergoth | https://drewdevault.com/2018/12/28/Anatomy-of-a-shell.html .. hmm. i wonder if mrsh is far enough along to write a quick python binding to libmrsh with cython and use that instead of pysh :) | 21:50 |
| kergoth | ah | 21:51 |
| RP | kergoth: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11314 | 21:51 |
| yocti | Bug 11314: enhancement, Medium, Future, unassigned, ACCEPTED , shell parser: support $(( )) | 21:51 |
| kergoth | ah, they're missing other things, though they do have arithmetic expansion — https://github.com/emersion/mrsh/issues/8 | 21:52 |
| kergoth | oh, no, the *shell* is missing bits, but the parser isn't | 21:52 |
| kergoth | all we'd need is the parser anyway | 21:52 |
| kergoth | course it'd be yet another dep.. | 21:52 |
| RP | kergoth: in some ways I like the devil we know :/ | 21:53 |
| * kergoth nods | 21:53 | |
| RP | has quirks but we know most of them :) | 21:53 |
| derRichard | RP: thx | 21:57 |
| RP | derRichard: Scott was going to ask me for a description anyway :) | 22:05 |
| derRichard | RP: what kind of bugs can i file to that bugzilla? | 22:09 |
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| RP | derRichard: issues with bitbake/oe-core or the Yocto Project infrastructure around the project | 22:15 |
| derRichard | ok | 22:16 |
| derRichard | hmm, can't i set hostname_pn-base-files in my image recipe? the hostname is still the machine name. | 22:18 |
| RP | derRichard: image recipes can't influence other recipes. You'd have to do that at the config file level (local.conf, machine or distro config) | 22:21 |
| RP | derRichard: we don't build a new set of packages for each image, a package has to work for all images | 22:21 |
| derRichard | true, now it makes sense | 22:21 |
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| derRichard | btw: meta-openembedded/meta-oe/recipes-extended/haveged/haveged_1.9.2.bb is broken, it inherits update-rc.d, but does not offer a init.d file. hence update-rc.d fails at the post install phase and bitbake unhappy. | 22:29 |
| derRichard | Postinstall scriptlets of ['haveged'] have failed. If the intention is to defer them to first boot, .... | 22:29 |
| derRichard | is this also a issue for bugzilla.yoctoproject.org? | 22:29 |
| kroon | bluelightning, ping | 22:32 |
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| RP | derRichard: not for meta-oe, that would be best reported on the mailing list | 22:49 |
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