| GeramyL | neverpanic: any suggestions? I'm not even sure what that is, to be honest. DEBIAN/control doesn't exist and my google foo has failed looking for it. | 00:00 |
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| armpit | RP, ok | 00:05 |
| GeramyL | there are issues with meta-environment and my machine meta layer | 00:05 |
| GeramyL | I don't see any documentation though regarding custom kernels, machine meta layers and being built with populate_sdk | 00:06 |
| RP | armpit: if you do want me to pull in yours let me know... | 00:19 |
| RP | denix: thanks :) | 00:20 |
| GeramyL | neverpanic: looks like it was an issue with DEFAULTTUNE and using intels meta layer tune with my kernel and machine. | 00:29 |
| GeramyL | maybe something to do with multi-inheritance, i am able to use default tune. | 00:30 |
| GeramyL | nothing really points to that issue, but it was a good guess on my end haha :P | 00:31 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: internal error in override_version, at ../../gold/resolve.cc:61? <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54759047/internal-error-in-override-version-at-gold-resolve-cc61> | 05:18 |
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| RP | kanavin: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/85/builds/233 :( | 08:10 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: How to declare custom variables in bitbake recipes having the same visibility like for instance ${bindir}? <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54737431/how-to-declare-custom-variables-in-bitbake-recipes-having-the-same-visibility-li> | 08:48 |
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| lukma | Maybe a bit "odd" question | 09:40 |
| lukma | is there a way to extend standard machine configuration file? | 09:40 |
| lukma | like I do have qemux86-64.conf | 09:40 |
| lukma | and I would like to have foox86-64.conf with only my one, two adjustments | 09:41 |
| lukma | I could add those adjustments to local.conf or distro.conf, but I'm wondering if I can reuse the qemux86-64.conf (something similar to bbappend) | 09:41 |
| LetoThe2nd | lukma: create qemux86-64-lukma.conf that as first line includes qemu86-64.conf | 09:42 |
| RP | lukma: you can require qemux86-64.conf, set MACHINEOVERRIDES and then customise | 09:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | lukma: poky-blleding orwhatsitcalled does about exactly that | 09:42 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: snap :) | 09:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: flatpak :) | 09:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | <SCNR> | 09:43 |
| RP | :) | 09:43 |
| RP | lukma: we even do this in some of the QA tests iirc | 09:43 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: btw, a penny for your thoughts: what do think of some yocto-getting started stream like on twitch.tv? | 09:43 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: in contrast to a pre-boiled video, it could be quite interactive in terms of reacting to questions | 09:44 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: would love to see it | 09:44 |
| lukma | RP: MACHINEOVERRIDES is not not necessary | 09:45 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: i'm just working on finding a good timeslot and rest of infrastructure... would love to give it a try | 09:45 |
| lukma | As I do only need to tune PREFERRED_Xxxx | 09:45 |
| RP | lukma: it is, since you change MACHINE name and you want to use the original override | 09:45 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: cool! :) | 09:45 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: but the point is that we kind of need to advertise it a little beforehand, because if 0 people watch and ask, be end up in a pre-boiled video again. | 09:45 |
| lukma | RP: yes correct | 09:46 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: probably something EU late afternoon so we catch the people on the other side of the pond too? | 09:46 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: we have the mailing lists, that sounds reasonable | 09:46 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: :) | 09:46 |
| RP | ndec: any thoughts? ^^^ | 09:47 |
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| ndec | RP: LetoThe2nd : hi! that could be a great idea... i have attended a couple of similar 'webinar' in the past. it is not straight forward to make them 'smooth' to follow i think. we would have to think a bit hard about what we want to do. | 10:18 |
| ndec | isn't twitch.tv some gaming thing? e.g. would that be appropriate for some engineering thingy like YP? maybe there are alternate places? | 10:19 |
| LetoThe2nd | ndec: its a gaming thingy by main audience, thats right. but it seems their technology seems to be pretty streamline, and in my experience the streamers there encourage a very, very interactive style. which i do highly favor over classic webinars. | 10:21 |
| ndec | LetoThe2nd: i agree that interactivity is important (and that it was really bad in the classic webimar I attended!) | 10:22 |
| LetoThe2nd | ndec: if you're concerned about the YP brand being tainted, i have no problem in doing it as a standalone person, so no official endorsement has to be given | 10:23 |
| ndec | well, that was indeed my concern. but the idea is good. we should evaluate about doing it officially/sponsored by YP first. | 10:24 |
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| ndec | i think it's worth having a discussion on yocto-advocacy@yoctoproject.org mailing list. would you start a thread there? | 10:24 |
| LetoThe2nd | ndec: classic webinars tend to suffer badly from "a presenter basically does a presentation". whereas the style i think of is more like, "livecoding to show" | 10:25 |
| LetoThe2nd | like i would do for a new coworker that looks over my shoulder | 10:25 |
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| kanavin | RP: thanks, nativesdk packaging seems to be the major issue | 10:28 |
| ndec | LetoThe2nd: anyways, i think it's a great idea. thanks for suggesting this. it needs some thinking / discussion / planning, and i think the advocacy mailing list would be the right next step. | 10:28 |
| kanavin | or the common one rather | 10:28 |
| LetoThe2nd | ndec: just subscribing | 10:28 |
| ndec | LetoThe2nd: you can send an email directly, i will make sure it goes through. | 10:28 |
| LetoThe2nd | ndec: oh no problem. i kinda need to come up with a proper wording anyways, i usually try to make sure my emails have higher standards than my irc conversational style | 10:29 |
| ndec | hehe ;) | 10:30 |
| RP | kanavin: yes, I'm having trouble figuring out everything that failed there. Am rerunning with meson changes dropped to isolate | 10:31 |
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| RP | ndec, LetoThe2nd: I don't think we need to overcomplicate this. As long as its clear its about the Yocto Project, not *by* the Yocto Project I think we should be ok | 10:33 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: i generallythink the same, but additional input usually doesn't hurt | 10:33 |
| kanavin | RP: yep, clearly this should be handled in smaller chunks. But great that this time there was a response to auh :) | 10:36 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: I just know the advocacy people get nervous about the project branding (understandably) | 10:36 |
| RP | kanavin: yes! :) | 10:36 |
| RP | kanavin: I pulled a few of Ross' patches together since I know he's away atm | 10:37 |
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| ndec | RP: we definitely don't need to overcomplicate.. but we need to plan a bit at least, no? | 10:42 |
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| LetoThe2nd | i think the main thing to grasp is that this would not be a traditional teaching/presenting format | 10:44 |
| LetoThe2nd | it is even something that would probably have to be repeated regularly to have the best effect | 10:44 |
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| RP | ndec: right | 10:48 |
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| LetoThe2nd | ndec: oh, and for the "twitch vs. serious" thing: its mainly us old grumpy embedded hags not being up to date with the cool kids. i thought the same, and quickly realized that its often used for such: https://github.com/bnb/awesome-developer-streams | 10:56 |
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| * LetoThe2nd launches lunch, bbiab | 10:56 | |
| ndec | LetoThe2nd: right.. speaking about cool kids.. the 96boards team is moving to discord.. and i am resisting.. ;0 | 10:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | ndec: discord is often used as a secondary channel for twitch indeed. i'm kinda like, whatever works. | 10:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | oO(yet, 96borads & cool?) | 10:58 |
| RP | ndec: I saw talk about discord somewhere else, seems to be the trendy thing | 10:58 |
| * LetoThe2nd ducks and runs quickly | 10:58 | |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: the react js folks are on discord also. like i said, whatever. if it works for a given problem, then please use it. | 10:59 |
| ndec | RP: right.. and a sign that we are becoming less trendy ;) | 10:59 |
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| RP | ndec: one of several :/ | 11:02 |
| ndec | heh | 11:02 |
| Piraty | what? runit is not in yocto?? this seem wrong | 11:03 |
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| Piraty | according to https://github.com/madscientist42/meta-runit-init | 11:04 |
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| sylv_ | Hi all. I'm trying to remove packagegroup from another packagegroup in image recipe. I'm trying to do this: RDEPENDS_mainpackagegroup-full_remove = "mainpackagegroup-application". But it does not work. mainpackagegroup-application and full are declared in mainpackagegroup recipe. PACKAGES = "${PN}-full \ ${PN}-application" and RDEPENDS_${PN}-full = "${PN}-application" and RDEPENDS_${PN}-application = "some packages" | 11:05 |
| sylv_ | thanks for your help | 11:06 |
| sylv_ | i don't want mainpackagegroup-application in my SDK | 11:06 |
| sylv_ | so i want to find a way to do not build and install package from mainpackagegroup-application in SDK image recipe | 11:07 |
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| kanavin | RP: virgl tests seem to be persistently failing on ubuntu 16.04 (but not 18.04), I am looking into it, as I have a 16.04 laptop here | 12:13 |
| RP | kanavin: was this the missing host library problem? | 12:15 |
| kanavin | RP: the failure happening just now printed no useful info :( | 12:15 |
| RP | kanavin: still not gotten around to auditing the workers for that :( | 12:15 |
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| kanavin | RP: I'm just running the same oe-selftest on a laptop, we can always skip it per-distro, although I'd rather make it work | 12:16 |
| RP | kanavin: the fact this build is getting this far suggests some more subtle locale problems in the meson changes for glib | 12:16 |
| kanavin | (on a 16.04 laptop I mean) | 12:17 |
| RP | kanavin: right, I'd rather understand why its failing | 12:17 |
| kanavin | RP: yep, I fixed the obvious things, but not sure whose fault the locale problem is :-/ | 12:17 |
| RP | kanavin: right now its looking like a patch I dropped from -next which were several of the meson ones | 12:18 |
| RP | (trying to bisect to get some things merged and narrow it down) | 12:18 |
| kanavin | RP: as you know, we use mesa-native for builds, but fall through to host mesa at runtime via libepoxy dlopen(). I'm not super happy about this, but we can't afford to build a full range of mesa drivers :( | 12:18 |
| RP | kanavin: right, its a tricky situation | 12:19 |
| kanavin | RP: the default is still sdl2 without opengl, so it's not going to suddenly break | 12:20 |
| kanavin | you need to opt-in by adding 'gl' to runqemu | 12:21 |
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| ak77 | hello! | 12:25 |
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| ak77 | I have packages, and then the package that RDEPENDS on them. those packages bring some settings files, ... is there a way to build install time deps file that includes path to those setting files and installs this file as part of a package | 12:36 |
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| kanavin | RP: ubuntu 16.04 passed the virgl tests here, so it's probably something missing on the host site in the AB | 13:04 |
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| RP | kanavin: also wondering why the poor log output :( | 13:51 |
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| kanavin | RP: I also fixed the locale issue, I erroneously dropped a patch from glib thinking it's autotools-specific | 13:56 |
| kanavin | RP: just sent a new patchset | 13:58 |
| RP | kanavin: ah, great to have an explanation for that :) | 13:59 |
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| RP | kanavin: in your new series did you update any of the patches I still have in -next ? | 14:33 |
| kanavin | RP: no, I don't think so | 14:34 |
| kanavin | it's been fixes to glib/gdk-pixbuf/pango | 14:34 |
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| RP | kanavin: thats fine, just checking | 14:37 |
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| Piraty | what exactly is "opkg --dest <foo> install <package>" for? when add "--add-dest foo:/foo", if installs into /foo/foo | 15:42 |
| Piraty | instead contrast to --offline-root | 15:43 |
| Piraty | can someone explain please? | 15:43 |
| Piraty | i see "dest" can be set in the config file, but yet i fail to see the point | 15:43 |
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| GeramyL | okay changing defaulttune didn't do shit | 16:00 |
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| GeramyL | still got the same error: https://pastebin.com/899drCMD | 16:01 |
| RP | Example resulttool reports https://pastebin.com/PC0wwQp9 and https://pastebin.com/9PgFG4pb | 16:05 |
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| GeramyL | how do I make sure recipes are excluded from the sdk? like custom built ones. | 16:19 |
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| RP | kanavin: I really need you/Khem to reach an agreement on the llvm patch | 16:30 |
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| ollie | hello. is there a keyword I can use in a recipe to get the version of a dependency from DEPENDS ? | 16:31 |
| kanavin | khem, ^^^ do you have a strong objection to my llvm patch? we can also switch to a 8.0 tarball once it is out. | 16:33 |
| kanavin | RP: the way I read his last message on the subject, there is no strong objection, but let's confirm | 16:33 |
| RP | kanavin: I think khem would like to have the tarball as the default and a git version we can keep testing with | 16:36 |
| * RP would love to see us get back to poky-bleeding working | 16:36 | |
| kanavin | RP: I'm fine with that, I just don't want to use any kind of 'unofficial mirror' that also doesn't have version tags | 16:36 |
| RP | kanavin: yes, that is worrying | 16:37 |
| kanavin | the official git is larger, but not dramatically - 'unofficial mirror' has 175k commits, official git has 310k, because they decided to use a single repo for all of the llvm projects | 16:38 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Disable systemD services at compile time <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54771324/disable-systemd-services-at-compile-time> | 17:20 |
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| LetoThe2nd | ndec: just wanted to give a short ping. i subscribed to advocacy and opened the confirmation link, but subscription doesn't seem to be finished. | 17:32 |
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| RP | LetoThe2nd: if it doesn't work ask halstead :/ | 18:04 |
| RP | halstead: mailing list woes continue? :( | 18:04 |
| halstead | RP, Yes. It doesn't look especially bad right now though. | 18:05 |
| halstead | RP, LetoThe2nd in this case even after confirming someone from the advocacy team needs to approve. There are 4 outstanding requests. | 18:06 |
| RP | halstead: is ndec a moderator for that list? | 18:06 |
| halstead | RP, Yes ndec and Jefro. I asked Andreea if she would be willing as well. | 18:07 |
| RP | halstead: ok, good. As long as we have some active people on it | 18:08 |
| RP | halstead: after our discussion I just scheduled two builds at once :) | 18:10 |
| Crofton | I can agree that needs work, received a question from Rich P about that also | 18:10 |
| RP | Crofton: moderators or lists in general? | 18:11 |
| Crofton | approvals for advocacy list | 18:11 |
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| LetoThe2nd | 5i hereby advocate advocaat. | 19:11 |
| Crofton | LetoThe2nd, stop drinking | 19:15 |
| LetoThe2nd | Crofton: that would seriously cut down booze supplies for OEDEM and YPDD | 19:16 |
| LetoThe2nd | so i better keep on drinking. | 19:16 |
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| jtrimbl3 | Hi all -- newcomer bitbake question: Is it possible to "extend" a bitbake ".conf" file in a similar way to ".bbappend" files for recipes? I'd like to define some additional configuration variables that seem like they should belong in a machine.conf (rather than my local.conf), but the machine.conf is controlled in an external repository and I'd like to just "append" to what's already there. | 20:02 |
| jtrimbl3 | Is there a way to append a ".conf" file or do I need to create a new machine "variant" (e.g. my_machine-extra.conf), which contains my additional variables and then includes the upstream "my_machine.conf"? | 20:03 |
| bluelightning | jtrimbl3: there's no .conf append functionality - I think you'd have to either use your variant approach or add the customisations to your distro config (with machine overrides if necessary) | 20:17 |
| bluelightning | jtrimbl3: if you do use the "machine variant" approach then you will probably want to set MACHINEOVERRIDES =. "mymachine" within it so that overrides for the underlying machine still apply | 20:18 |
| bluelightning | argh sorry that should be MACHINEOVERRIDES =. "mymachine:" | 20:19 |
| jtrimbl3 | @bluelightning: Ok, thanks for confirming. Also thanks for the note about MACHINEOVERRIDES -- that's complicated but I think I get why it's needed. | 20:29 |
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| RP | kanavin: two builds both had gtk-native issues, I suspect the meson changes so have dropped them again | 21:45 |
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| RP | JPEW: fwiw I think there is going to need to be a trivial fix to meta-mingw for the master-next patchset in testing | 22:04 |
| JPEW | RP: Ok, thanks | 22:04 |
| RP | JPEW: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/89/builds/306 | 22:05 |
| JPEW | Thats a particularly ugly bbappend... I'll have to see if we can just drop it. | 22:07 |
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| RP | JPEW: that may be less trivial, not sure :) | 22:10 |
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| khem | kanavin: I dont have much of an objection, I was just worries about others since in past we have seem people not like huge repo fetches | 22:26 |
| khem | as I said it helps meta-clang so I am ok | 22:26 |
| ribalda | Hello. What happened to the tags at: https://hub.docker.com/r/crops/poky/tags ? | 22:38 |
| ribalda | seems like someone pressed the wrong button :) | 22:39 |
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| RP | khem: thanks for clarifying. I think if we can switch to a tarball at release it would be ok | 22:58 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Yocto: : does bitbake cleanall ,cleans dependencies as well <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44576185/yocto-does-bitbake-cleanall-cleans-dependencies-as-well> | 23:21 |
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