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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: How can I do "export $(dbus-launch) in booting <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47695548/how-can-i-do-export-dbus-launch-in-booting> | 05:48 |
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| malanecora | Morning guys! | 08:09 |
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| malanecora | I'm getting the following error when trying to extract the sdk (via -c populate_sdk): | 08:10 |
| malanecora | "Error: Transaction check error: file /lib/firmware/ti-connectivity/wl18xx-fw-4.bin from install of linux-firmware-wl18xx-1:0.0+git0+1baa34868b-r0.0.noarch conflicts with file from package wl18xx-fw-8.7.3-r0.0.cortexa9t2hf_neon" | 08:10 |
| malanecora | Has anyone faced the same issue? | 08:11 |
| malanecora | When I bitbake my image that doesn't happen | 08:11 |
| malanecora | (wl1837-fw is from meta-ti) | 08:11 |
| malanecora | I tried removing linux-firmware-wl18xx from the image in the local.conf file | 08:13 |
| malanecora | But it didn't worked | 08:13 |
| malanecora | work* | 08:13 |
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| mkhoory | not exactly the same issue, but I'm getting issues with linux-yocto-tiny .. so it's kinda related to linux-firmware | 08:15 |
| mkhoory | not sure what's goign on | 08:15 |
| malanecora | I understand that the when it tries to install the wl18xx-fw from meta-ti the same file is already installed in the system (due to the previous execution of linux-firmware) | 08:17 |
| malanecora | What I don't understand is why is installing the file from linux-firmware | 08:18 |
| malanecora | Since it is not installed in the image | 08:18 |
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| mkhoory | I'm new to yocto so I can't help much, sorry ._. | 08:22 |
| malanecora | Uhu | 08:23 |
| malanecora | Welcome to a world of pain and, eventually, satisfaction | 08:24 |
| malanecora | (And some more random pain) | 08:24 |
| malanecora | Still, great world | 08:25 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: what problems are you seeing? there's little chance to help you given the current information. | 08:25 |
| mkhoory | LetoThe2nd, I am following instructions to build yocto-tiny for qemuarm. Bitbake tries to fetch linux-yocto-tiny-4.18.21(etc.) which I assume is the kernel. It seems to finish downloading, but the fetch operation fails, and tries again and again | 08:27 |
| mkhoory | I think the issue is that it's trying to check out a particular commit but it's not finding it. | 08:27 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: which instructions specifically? | 08:28 |
| mkhoory | LetoThe2nd, sorry, i mean poky-tiny. Here: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Poky-Tiny | 08:28 |
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| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: and you're on poky master HEAD? | 08:29 |
| mkhoory | no, I'm on a local branch that is tracking yocto-2.6.1, as described in the quickstart guide (https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.6.1/brief-yoctoprojectqs/brief-yoctoprojectqs.html) | 08:31 |
| mkhoory | malanecora, my previous experience was with RTOSs like RTEMS. Yocto can't be more painful than that, can it? ;) | 08:31 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: ok, so its the yocto-2.6.1 tag. anything else that i need to know? | 08:32 |
| malanecora | mkhoory: Fair enough...haha | 08:32 |
| mkhoory | LetoThe2nd, I've set my MACHINE variable to qemuarm, DISTRO to poky-tiny, and PACKAGE_CLASSES to "package_ipk". My layers are meta, meta-poky, and meta-yocto-bsp | 08:35 |
| mkhoory | not sure what else to mention | 08:35 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: if its only those modifications, then noting else to mention. ok, let me give it a spin. will report back then. | 08:35 |
| mkhoory | all packages seem to have been fetched and built correctly, it's just that bitbake is stuck on fetching the linux kernel or so it seems | 08:35 |
| mkhoory | the raspberry pi issue I had seem to have been corrected after performing a git pull on the raspberry pi layer | 08:36 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: we'll see. just takes a couple of minutes, i'm kicking off a completely blank build to reproduce. | 08:36 |
| mkhoory | ok thanks | 08:36 |
| mkhoory | If you want I can paste my build log | 08:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | not yet. | 08:38 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: ok, i think i can reproduce it. | 08:50 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: let me see if i can actually spot the error, otherwise will probably have to wait for zeddii | 08:50 |
| mkhoory | interesting | 08:54 |
| mkhoory | I was suspecting that it's my network or something | 08:55 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: nope. i mean, its a config that doesn't get much exercise anymore. | 08:56 |
| mkhoory | I was under the impression that poky-tiny is a pretty popular config for people to start off with | 08:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: absolutely not | 08:59 |
| mkhoory | how come? isn't it the best way to start for resource-constrained devices, or for "lean" builds? | 08:59 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: poky in itself is the config to start off for small devices, but with the restriction of not sacrificing too much comfort. | 09:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: poky-tiny is rather meant as a showcase on how far you can go down if you REALLY REALLY want or need | 09:01 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: i mean, a standard poky core-image-minimal build for qemuarm is usually way less then 8MB | 09:01 |
| mkhoory | I see | 09:02 |
| mkhoory | My current target is to understand how the SDK works, how I can build applications for my target. But first I figured I'd get a yocto-tiny image running on qemu | 09:04 |
| mkhoory | at least a hello world | 09:04 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: in that case, you're absolutely better off with using the standard poky | 09:05 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: you will run into WAY less problems | 09:05 |
| mkhoory | I see. I have tried the standard poky on a raspberry pi and I felt I could trim it down further, which is why I was looking into yocto-tiny | 09:06 |
| mkhoory | poky-tiny* .. damn I keep confusing the names >_> | 09:06 |
| LetoThe2nd | well of course you *CAN*. but the quesiton should be. "do i need?" | 09:06 |
| LetoThe2nd | because once you leave out a couple of standard basics for the sake of tinyness, life becomes complivated. | 09:07 |
| mkhoory | eventually, yes, not for resource constraints, but just to reduce complexity of the image. Right now, now | 09:07 |
| mkhoory | I understand that | 09:07 |
| mkhoory | Right now, no* | 09:07 |
| LetoThe2nd | i mean, what complexity would you leave out of core-image-minimal on poky? its basically just kernel + busybox + minimal infrastructure | 09:08 |
| mkhoory | so I was thinking, if I started with poky-tiny, I could add the packages I needed as I go, vs going through all the packages in the standard build and removing what I dont need | 09:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: naaaaah you're on the completely wrong track here. | 09:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: the IMAGE defines what goes into the generated thing. | 09:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: the DISTRO rather defines the ABI. like, selecting the libc | 09:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | of course there is some correlation, but for leaving things out of the image, well, leave things out of the image. | 09:09 |
| mkhoory | I'm still very new. I appreciate your advice, it is very helpful. Thank you. I guess I'll switch to standard poky then. | 09:10 |
| mkhoory | I still havent learned about recipes, etc. I was thinking I'd do that after understanding the SDK | 09:11 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: bad approach, if you ask me | 09:11 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: the sdk is something you can do once you have understood how images and recipes work. because the sdk actually is based off those | 09:12 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: reasoning behind this: the sdk is something that the image/distribution developer can prepare and hand out to people who are only expected to develop *FOR* the image/distribution, but not work on that itself | 09:14 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: yet if you are learning the yocto/OE ways, you are being the image/distribution developer | 09:14 |
| mkhoory | I see. I will do more reading then. I just wanted to build a hello world app for my target | 09:17 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: wel, the "hello world" equivalent of a distribution dev is core-image-minimal + psplash :) | 09:18 |
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| mkhoory | sometimes I wonder if yocto is right for me, considering that the target is not mass produced, and i dont need a "distribution" as much as I need a linux kernel with my own custom applications | 09:24 |
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| LetoThe2nd | it depends. and it certainly is not for every usecase. | 09:25 |
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| mkhoory | however, I do feel that separating the distribution from my applications would really assist with the development process | 09:26 |
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| mkhoory | and has other advantages like easily being able to install an updated version of my applications | 09:26 |
| LetoThe2nd | yocto/OE can offer a lot of power, if you actually invest in harnessing it. but its totally not a "i just want to" thing | 09:26 |
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| malanecora | So, is there a way to exclude packages from being included in the SDK? | 09:36 |
| malanecora | I have already tried the classic ways | 09:36 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: so, in case you are interested in real, hard numbers for comparison: poky vs. poky-tiny is 5.4M / 1.3M for the kernel and 2.6M / 861K for the rootfs(cpio.gz) | 09:47 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: so the only real difference IMHO is that basically everything is ripped out of the kernel to render it bootable but useless for most usecases, for the sake of tinyness. | 09:48 |
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| LetoThe2nd | zeddii: there is a typo in eta/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-yocto-tiny_4.18.bb: KBRANCH_qemuarm should refer to 4.18, not 4.15 | 09:53 |
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| rokm | Hi All | 09:56 |
| rokm | is there any file in yocto where packages used in image are listed with SRC_URI ? | 09:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | rokm: no | 09:57 |
| rokm | is there any command for this maybe ? | 09:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | rokm: no | 09:57 |
| rokm | -.- | 09:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | rokm: what would that file list if the source file was locally included in the layer? | 09:58 |
| mkhoory | LetoThe2nd, Interesting | 09:58 |
| rokm | LetoThe2nd: it will be listed too | 09:59 |
| rokm | I need this for licences things | 09:59 |
| rokm | I read 3.32.3 chapter in PDM | 10:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | mkhoory: just gave it a try, poky-tiny is broken to the point where it doesn't even boot in the canonical runqemu anymore | 10:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | rokm: read what in where? | 10:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | rokm: i mean, its only software, about anyhing is possible. but its not there for you. if you think you need it, go create it. | 10:01 |
| rokm | LetoThe2nd: 3.32.3. Maintaining Open Source License Compliance During Your Product's Lifecycle in Yocto dev manual | 10:03 |
| LetoThe2nd | rokm: yes, but as far as i know that paragraph, it nowhere states that you have to include all SRC_URI things in your image. | 10:04 |
| rokm | yeee I know | 10:05 |
| LetoThe2nd | it states that you have to include the licenses, as explained in https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#providing-license-text | 10:05 |
| rokm | It suggest to provide tarballs with sources | 10:05 |
| rokm | as a additional inforamation about packages | 10:05 |
| LetoThe2nd | it suggests to provide the source tarballs, yes. again, SRC_URIs would be totally pointless as they might be valid only locally, and their payload would have to be in the tarball anyways. | 10:06 |
| LetoThe2nd | rokm: it sounds like you are trying to find a way around providing your metadata, as pointed out in https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#providing-compilation-scripts-and-source-code-modifications | 10:07 |
| LetoThe2nd | rokm: yet gplv3 is relatively clear about it. | 10:07 |
| rokm | for previous point - you are right | 10:07 |
| LetoThe2nd | i know that i am right :) | 10:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | heard it a couple of times already. | 10:08 |
| rokm | for second one - I need to collect licences information and URL to sources of packages that were used in image | 10:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | no | 10:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | you do not have to provide links or whatever to where you got stuff from | 10:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | you have to provide the sources. | 10:09 |
| rokm | hmm :) | 10:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | but IANAL, and will better stop here. if you want to do things right, contact somebody who is experienced with this, and will stand in for given advice. | 10:10 |
| LetoThe2nd | (toganlabs, for example) | 10:10 |
| rokm | OK | 10:10 |
| rokm | I think you are right - again | 10:10 |
| rokm | thanks | 10:11 |
| mkhoory | LetoThe2nd, lol ok, I'll just wash my hands from that then | 10:14 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: OpenGL: Mesa3D Offscreen Software Rendering Performance Issues <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55122964/opengl-mesa3d-offscreen-software-rendering-performance-issues> | 12:49 |
| yacar_ | hi there, | 12:52 |
| yacar_ | I have a recipe that depends on another one, actually it's a simple program using alsa-lib, I'm using SDK and devtool | 12:52 |
| yacar_ | I wanted to add some debug to alsa-lib, so I made devtool modify alsa-lib | 12:53 |
| yacar_ | I checked the sources did not eventually change anything | 12:53 |
| yacar_ | but now devtool is failing with "* opkg_prepare_url_for_install: Couldn't find anything to satisfy 'alsa-lib'. | 12:54 |
| yacar_ | " | 12:54 |
| yacar_ | It's at the do_rootfs moment | 12:54 |
| yacar_ | do you have any ideas about what went wrong? | 12:55 |
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| JaMa | khem: have you noticed any reports that glibc is producing faulty binary when gold is used instead of bfd? I'm seeing it on armv7a when qemu-arm is crashing with segfault because of this | 13:22 |
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| rburton | kanavin: just doing my no more python2 in oe-core builds dance | 14:18 |
| rburton | kanavin: asciidoc was the last hangon, and there's a good enough py3 port :) | 14:18 |
| kanavin | rburton: and how is it? | 14:18 |
| rburton | it works -> ship it | 14:19 |
| kanavin | rburton: awesome, I guess there are still recipes that need python2 to run scripts at build time? | 14:22 |
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| rburton | kanavin: almost certainly. haven't done a build without py2 on host for a while. asciidoc managed to get rid of it from the build. | 14:23 |
| kanavin | so basically, nothing explicitly lists python(-native) in its DEPENDS anymore? | 14:23 |
| rburton | not in sato builds | 14:24 |
| kanavin | what happens if you remove the python2 recipes, and try to build world? | 14:26 |
| kanavin | does anything complain? | 14:26 |
| rburton | shall try shortly | 14:27 |
| rburton | (pnblacklist is better) | 14:27 |
| RP | kanavin: welcome back, hope you have a good break! :) | 14:27 |
| rburton | ca-certs needs host py2 still | 14:28 |
| RP | rburton: does it need "python" or py2 specifically? | 14:28 |
| rburton | RP: python, but we symlink that to py2. not sure if the code is py3-safe. | 14:29 |
| * RP notes we still have "python" pointing at py2 | 14:29 | |
| rburton | yeah had to neuter that because it assumes that py2 is in the hosttools :) | 14:29 |
| rburton | ninja too | 14:29 |
| rburton | pretty sure ive got a patch for these somewhere | 14:29 |
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| RP | rburton: did you make it point at py3? might make for an interesting test | 14:30 |
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| * kergoth yawns | 15:28 | |
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| kanavin | RP: cheers, yes it was a good one :) | 15:32 |
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| kanavin | RP: I sent a few housekeeping patches; I also have more invasive version upgrades, which I am holding back until after warrior is done (I guess?) | 15:34 |
| RP | kanavin: sounds good, we are after freeze and need to focus on release now | 15:37 |
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| rburton | khem: does llvm really need perlnative pythonnative to build? | 16:15 |
| rburton | khem: specfically why python2-native? its not the dependencies. | 16:15 |
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| tlwoerner | RP: when is the next release cutoff? i think mesa needs a small tweak to build for etnaviv | 16:45 |
| JaMa | and bitbake/glibc need some tweak to produce usable libc when gold is enabled :/ | 16:47 |
| JaMa | binutils/glibc | 16:47 |
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| JaMa | RP: is gold enabled in any of the builds run on AB? | 16:48 |
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| RP | JaMa: no | 16:54 |
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| RP | tlwoerner: We're effectively in freeze now. I know the mesa update was late, I was persuaded it was probably the better version to have though. If its causing pain we might have to consider reverting :/ | 16:55 |
| odda | ll | 16:56 |
| tlwoerner | RP: i don't think etnaviv is widely used, and i think the fix is quick (a 1:1 replacement). i'm looking into it now | 16:56 |
| RP | tlwoerner: ok. its a tricky issue knowing what to do with updates close to release | 16:59 |
| RP | we stand a way better chance of upstream help with bugs if we're close to released versions though | 16:59 |
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| tlwoerner | RP: all good, the change needs to be made to a _bbappend in meta-freescale | 17:13 |
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| kanavin | speaking of mesa, we might actually want to again update to 19.0.1 | 17:25 |
| kanavin | as x.0.0 releases are considered 'development' by the upstream (even though they still go through a few rc iterations to fix known issues :-/ | 17:26 |
| kanavin | 19.0.1 is not yet out though | 17:26 |
| kanavin | oh, it is! | 17:27 |
| kangasp | Hi all. I'm new to bitbake/yocto, and trying to come up to speed. Bit of a learning curve, but it's pretty amazing all that it does. Anyways, I'm trying to make a hello world image for a NXP/freescale dev board. | 17:27 |
| kangasp | My settings are: machine = imx7ulpevk, distro = fslc-x11, layers (all checked out to sumo) = meta-poky, meta-oe, meta-freescale, meta-freescale-distro, meta-freescale-3rdparty, meta-yocto-bsp target = core-image-minimal | 17:28 |
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| kangasp | Things look good on the card, but u-boot is completely silent, when trying to boot | 17:28 |
| kangasp | anybody have any thoughts? or places I should look into? | 17:29 |
| JaMa | kanavin: https://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/19.0.1.html you have 19.0.0 link in the 19.0.1 upgrade | 17:31 |
| RP | armpit: we have a problem with fedora29 and sumo: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/86/builds/120 | 17:31 |
| kanavin | JaMa, that is on purpose, as that's where the policy is specified | 17:31 |
| kanavin | (the policy regarding 19.0.0 vs 19.0.1) | 17:32 |
| JaMa | kanavin: it's like that for couple releases (at least since 17.0.0 http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2017-February/132762.html) isn't list of bugfixes in 19.0.1 more important than this old change in mesa versioning? | 17:34 |
| kanavin | JaMa, nope, and if you want the bugfixes, just change the single letter in the URI | 17:35 |
| kanavin | I need to explain why a version update this late in the release cycle, so a link to the upstream explanation is appropriate | 17:36 |
| armpit | RP, k | 17:36 |
| kanavin | on the other hand, this will not be backported to any stable branches (which is where the list of fixes is useful to the branch maintainers) | 17:36 |
| armpit | RP, same error from last night | 17:36 |
| RP | armpit: for the sstate errors, halstead is going to comb over the sstate mirror and remove the broken artefacts, we'll then rerun and see if they reappear | 17:38 |
| * RP isn't sure why that happened :( | 17:38 | |
| armpit | uninative ? | 17:38 |
| RP | armpit: no | 17:38 |
| * RP suspected the buildperf machines but its probably not them, or I can't find a codepath anyway | 17:39 | |
| armpit | just blame Canada | 17:39 |
| * armpit south park ref | 17:39 | |
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| tlwoerner | ...speaking of mesa... | 18:16 |
| tlwoerner | the layerindex needs to be regenerated, it still thinks openembedded-core's mesa is at 18.3.4 | 18:16 |
| tlwoerner | (which leads to bad links when clicked) | 18:17 |
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| halstead | tlwoerner, layerindex update has been running for 2 days. I've killed the update and allowed it to restart. | 19:22 |
| tlwoerner | halstead: that's odd, i thought it normally runs several times a day? | 19:23 |
| halstead | tlwoerner, It does. Every 3 hours. But if it is already running another won't begin. | 19:27 |
| tlwoerner | ouch! big update i guess | 19:27 |
| halstead | RP, armpit Here is small list of missing siginfo files. Should I remove the corresponding tgz files? | 19:32 |
| halstead | RP, armpit http://sstate.yoctoproject.org/5e-missing.txt | 19:33 |
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| bluelightning | tlwoerner: halstead: if it's been running for 2 days there is some kind of problem :/ | 20:20 |
| bluelightning | could you see where it was stuck? | 20:20 |
| tlwoerner | are there any plans to switch mesa to use meson? | 20:28 |
| JaMa | tlwoerner: there is change for that on the ML | 20:28 |
| tlwoerner | nice! | 20:29 |
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| halstead | bluelightning, The last log lines before I killed it are up at https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/-LA18rI8RzzHfrMoCUMrIg | 20:43 |
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| RP | halstead: I think its fine to remove those. I was wondering if there is a pattern but I can't spot one | 23:04 |
| halstead | RP, Okay. I'm still searching out files that is just a small selection. I haven't found the reason why these are missing but not the tarballs yet. | 23:08 |
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| RP | halstead: is it only a subset of the sstate directories like 5e but not others? | 23:17 |
| RP | halstead: I did log onto the nas and removed the 2.4.999, 2.6.999 and similar sstates just to reduce some confusion on the public facing interface | 23:18 |
| RP | armpit: FYI I backported an extra patch to sumo to avoid testresult problems | 23:23 |
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| RP | armpit: was already in thud | 23:23 |
| RP | halstead: I think I'm ready to trigger attempts at the stable builds again. Not sure if i should wait for the sstate cleanup or go for it... | 23:24 |
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| armpit | RP, thanks | 23:50 |
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