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| mckoan | good morning | 06:53 |
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| azureuser | Hi all | 07:26 |
| azureuser | Is there someone that can help me with a nativesdk recipe? | 07:26 |
| Ad0 | does anyone here have experience with swupdate ? :) | 07:27 |
| LetoThe2nd | azureuser: Ad0: please both ask your actual questions. | 07:27 |
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| LetoThe2nd | or would you be satisfioed already if somebody says "maybe"? ;-) | 07:27 |
| Ad0 | yes :) | 07:27 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: so, "maybe". | 07:28 |
| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: glad i could be of assistance. | 07:28 |
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| Ad0 | my question is really - what is the actual image I should use to have the swupdate infrastructure + my own image? | 07:28 |
| Ad0 | image meaning build recipe | 07:28 |
| Ad0 | it seems to be divided in 2, the swu file which is update-image, but where's the "base image" that's put there first | 07:29 |
| Ad0 | it also has a make menuconfig to set up swupdate support for things but I am not sure how that's involved in the yocto part | 07:30 |
| azureuser | well you are right! So I need to integrate in my SDK a compiler, so I wrote a recipe that fetch, compile and install such compiler. The packages are correctly generated but there is no evidence in the output sdk. Can I post a link from pastebin? | 07:30 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: you usually have two images. one contains the swupdate software that can handle swu packages. | 07:31 |
| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: the other is your application image that gets bundled into the swu | 07:31 |
| Ad0 | afaik that's a config variable that I tell it which images to include | 07:32 |
| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: "maybe" | 07:32 |
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| Ad0 | hehe. | 07:32 |
| Ad0 | I have read the guide but I feel it doesn't give me the big picture how it's all tied together | 07:33 |
| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: our experience with swupdate is that you always have to invest some work to make it fit your needs. | 07:33 |
| Ad0 | in hindsight, would you recommend something else? :) | 07:33 |
| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: but the core concept is mostly this: one image contains no application, but swupdate to handle the update process, and the other image contains the applciation and knows nothing about swupdate | 07:34 |
| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: "depends" | 07:34 |
| LetoThe2nd | azureuser: of course you can | 07:34 |
| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: How to fix do_package_write_rpm function failure in yocto? <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56215974/how-to-fix-do-package-write-rpm-function-failure-in-yocto> || audit daemon does not show type=USER_LOGIN <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56215851/audit-daemon-does-not-show-type-user-login> | 07:34 |
| Ad0 | hm ok thanks :) | 07:34 |
| azureuser | LetoThe2nd: https://pastebin.com/qRGFeGw2 | 07:34 |
| Ad0 | also I use toaster web UI , but I think that was a mistake since I can't easily save the generated stuff into source control, nor can I edit the recipe files I think | 07:34 |
| * alessioigor waves all | 07:35 | |
| Ad0 | and I am not sure if it's safe to edit them with a text editor when the toaster UI has generated them | 07:35 |
| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: well, do not use toaster | 07:35 |
| alessioigor | New day new error :-) | 07:35 |
| alessioigor | Error: Transaction check error: file /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d conflicts between attempted installs of polkit-0.115-r0.corei7_64 and systemd-1:239-r0.corei7_64 | 07:35 |
| Ad0 | LetoThe2nd, yeah seems like I shouldn't | 07:36 |
| LetoThe2nd | azureuser: if i remember correctly, you have to add that package explicitly to the sdk. please see: https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.7/sdk-manual/sdk-manual.html#sdk-adding-individual-packages | 07:36 |
| Ad0 | LetoThe2nd, can the swupdate be prepped with a base image though? | 07:37 |
| Ad0 | like a "current release" already installed | 07:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: "its only software, anything is possible" | 07:37 |
| Ad0 | hehe | 07:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: but seriously. design your update procedure and evaluate your requirements. *THEN* yout can see if swupdate fits the bill | 07:38 |
| LetoThe2nd | Ad0: do not say "hey, there is swupdate", and then beat your product into a fitting shape. this is not going to work. | 07:38 |
| azureuser | LetoThe2nd: I forgot to mention that in my image recipe there is the following line: TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK_append = " nativesdk-odb-compiler", that is the recipe I pasted on pastebin | 07:38 |
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| LetoThe2nd | azureuser: in that case, no idea besides inspecting bitbake -e of the SDK generation and checking where things go, sorry. | 07:40 |
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| azureuser | LetoThe2nd: Will try to dig a bit more, thanks | 07:46 |
| LetoThe2nd | azureuser: good luck | 07:46 |
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| kanavin_ | RP: I will resend the update mega-patchset, including the suggested fixes | 10:18 |
| RP | kanavin_: ok, I've been away for a couple of days so just catching up | 10:21 |
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| Ad0 | wonder if Tesla uses swupdate heh | 10:35 |
| sanderer | Hello everyone, I've recently moved my project to poky/yocto 'thud', everything is going pretty well but I've run into a little snag when creating the root ubifs image. It keeps including the kernel in the /boot directory despite my efforts to prevent it. I've tried overriding RDEPENDS_kernel-base/RDEPENDS_${KERNEL_PACKAGE_NAME}-base in the local.conf file to no avail, I've tried the same using a | 10:36 |
| sanderer | .bbappend for the kernel recipe same result. My google-fu hasn't brought up any alternatives, so I thought I'd come here to test my luck | 10:36 |
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| mckoan | Ad0: here thei is our not-so-good experience with Toaster http://wiki.koansoftware.com/index.php/Toaster_setup_and_usage | 10:38 |
| mckoan | Ad0: SWupdate is working smoothly but you nee to know exactly what you want to get | 10:40 |
| Ad0 | mckoan, you can't edit the bblayer file. and there's only an option to remove / set packages, not to edit variables. the bitbake var config is global in toaster, and doesn't handler x[xxx] format | 10:40 |
| Ad0 | mckoan, a dual image update (A/B) with OS and 2 pieces of 3rd party software. the main software will be run in containers and have their own OTA scheme on top. I only need to update the OS itself with it's 3rd party software. | 10:41 |
| Ad0 | OTA, via dashboard, encrypted | 10:42 |
| Ad0 | I see that both mender and swupdate fits to this | 10:42 |
| Ad0 | afaik swupdate has binary updates, mender has through it's "enterprise" / paid solution | 10:42 |
| Ad0 | binary delta updates* | 10:42 |
| fray | most people I see build their themselves. One of hte populate technologies right now for this is 'ostree'. (not rpm-ostree, just ostree) | 10:42 |
| fray | build their upgrade technology themselves.. (typing slower then my brain) | 10:43 |
| Ad0 | the backside of building your own update stuff is the time it takes to harden / bugfix it | 10:44 |
| Ad0 | maybe mender is good enough, it seems less complicated and has a dual image update by default | 10:45 |
| Ad0 | but swupdate's binary deltas is a nice feature that open source mender doesn't have it seems | 10:47 |
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| Ad0 | I see a lot of examples working on your own image inside the yocto main dir, and others using a dir outside the yocto main dir | 11:45 |
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| dv_ | found an interesting bug in the sdk environment script: the CFLAGS env variable it sets contains optimization flags, which have no business being there. | 11:50 |
| dv_ | I discovered this when cross compiling a debug build that surprisingly had expressions optimized out | 11:50 |
| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Problem with displaying arabic font on webkit <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56220476/problem-with-displaying-arabic-font-on-webkit> | 12:05 |
| sanderer | Ah, figured it out, an inherited machine config added some stuff to IMAGE_INSTALL and MACHINE_ESSENTIAL_EXTRA_RDEPENDS | 12:12 |
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| jmiehe | I have changed PV in my own recipe from 1.1 to 1.0 and am getting "QA Issue: Package version for package <narf> went backwards" | 14:53 |
| jmiehe | that makes sense; how can I instruct bitbake to accept the backwards version and proceed? | 14:54 |
| kanavin_ | it should proceed regardless I think | 14:55 |
| jmiehe | oh okay the build finished, I see now | 14:56 |
| jmiehe | ah and the message is gone on next run (y) | 14:57 |
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| kanavin_ | jmiehe, the problem with versions going backwards is that it will confuse the package managers if you are using package feeds | 14:59 |
| kanavin_ | for local development, it's okay | 14:59 |
| jmiehe | @kanavin_ I figured, but thx for the confirmation :) | 15:00 |
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| asabil | Good day | 17:36 |
| asabil | does anyone know if I am supposed to be able to update the kernel using dnf for an image built using Yocto? | 17:36 |
| asabil | So far I haven't been able to, because the package names contain the version number and that causes conflicts | 17:37 |
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| ozan-cansel_ | at last | 19:47 |
| ozan-cansel_ | hi guys | 19:47 |
| ozan-cansel_ | I came from https://youtu.be/LXMwP5_v_k4?t=1254 | 19:49 |
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| JPEW | khem: -fno-merge-debug-strings is a bust; it still puts all the strings in the same section, it just bypassing removing duplicates. It looks like the order is still different for some reason | 21:59 |
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