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| khem | https://srain.im/ new IRC client looks cool | 00:01 |
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| kergoth | khem: nice | 00:58 |
| khem | kergoth: brings irc in same class as telegram/slack/whatsapp kind of client | 01:19 |
| kergoth | khem: i hate that windows and linux often don't have actually nice looking apps for such things, this seems like a promising alternative to something like Textual from macos :) | 01:20 |
| kergoth | will have to try that on my work windows machine | 01:20 |
| khem | yeah I never liked Textual | 01:20 |
| khem | but I see the same void as you | 01:21 |
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| khem | and they also have a flatpak :) | 01:22 |
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| Renegade85 | Thanks for the info on WSL | 01:23 |
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| kergoth | nice | 01:27 |
| kergoth | the void of good third party windows apps is about the only thing preventing me from moving to windows at some point. WSL is a game changer. | 01:27 |
| kergoth | well that and omnioutliner specifically, i'm heavily invested into it | 01:28 |
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| khem | kergoth: interesting, what adv do you see for daily driver in WSL as compared to say ubuntu | 02:00 |
| kergoth | much like macos, it's a nice balance of solid desktop experience with linux-style development environment. i gave up on linux on the desktop years ago :) | 02:03 |
| fray | I prefer my working OS to be command line, and my 'work os' to be visual.. but windows just pisses me off.. | 02:04 |
| fray | 3 months of using a Windows 10 machine, and at least once a day something just didn't work right.. | 02:04 |
| fray | Switched to a Mac for my work machine and everything works so much more consistently.. (except the Mac terminal seems to have emulation issues.. but since I'm command line, I just quit, relaunch and using screen right back at it) | 02:05 |
| fray | I was using Ubuntu via WSL on Windows, and I will say it was quite good.. but it felt slow at times.. | 02:05 |
| kergoth | wsl 2 is definitely more responsive, if you were using 1. but yeah, it's clearly a work in progress, but it's coming along | 02:07 |
| kergoth | the new windows terminal is really nice | 02:07 |
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| fray | my problem is more windows interface, I find it horribly inconsistent... which really frustrates me.. | 02:09 |
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| fray | (add to that the frustration of a crappy fisher-price feeling Dell laptop.. and my attitude doesn't improve) | 02:09 |
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| kergoth | ahh yes. it's hard to beat a macbook in feel :) | 02:13 |
| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: meta-virtualization rocko branch unable to locate docker package <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49517065/meta-virtualization-rocko-branch-unable-to-locate-docker-package> | 02:13 |
| kergoth | well, other than the keyboard | 02:13 |
| kergoth | external mechanical keyboard for the win | 02:13 |
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| fray | I used to be that way, but I've really grown to like the MacBook keyboard.. (I skipped out the whole generation of the 'butterfly keyboard' though) | 02:13 |
| kergoth | i feel like i'm ramming my fingers into the table the keys are so shallow :) | 02:14 |
| fray | like the feel so much, when I do have to use the Dell, I used a bluetooth Mac keyboard with it.. I was having problems typing on the built-in keyboard.. | 02:14 |
| khem | last edition of Mac Laptop keyboard is a disaster, I heard they have fixed it in the latest 16innch edition | 02:15 |
| khem | it feels like banging your fingers on concrete wall | 02:15 |
| fray | ya, I had the last version of the MacBook before they switched... and now I have two 16 inch machines.. same feel for the keyboard, i like it. | 02:16 |
| khem | cool, I am still on older gen | 02:16 |
| khem | perhaps future 16inch is way to go | 02:17 |
| fray | I bought MY 16" the day they were announced, fully loaded except for SSD.. couldn't justify the cost of more then 1 TB.. | 02:17 |
| khem | kergoth: I kind of agree with you on desktop part for linux, I do have built my own, using archlinux, plasma5, and it does stuff well but its not out of box experience | 02:18 |
| fray | then a month ago work let me order one, so I have a second.. that isn't quite as high of a spec one -- but it works really well for work.. (and work has Mac -really- well integrated and remotely managed..) I'm stunned how well the remote management works, even when not on the corporate network.. it was fully provisioned at first boot.. | 02:18 |
| fray | was so cool seeing it "just work" | 02:18 |
| khem | yeah remote management is good on them, its in bootloader, so they can say wipe it and next time, it comes online it will be wiped whereever it is | 02:19 |
| fray | ya, it was very very neat.. I screwed up something and did a 'factory reset' on it, first boot it restored all of the company stuff and again "just worked" | 02:19 |
| khem | walled gardens | 02:20 |
| fray | THe MacBook though is pretty open for a walled garden (compared to say iOS) | 02:20 |
| khem | I think snaps and flatpaks can change things for linux but again there are two so world will be divided | 02:23 |
| fray | I'm not a huge fan of snaps... not that I've used them much, but when I have I had problems with it... | 02:24 |
| fray | (not used flatpaks at all yet) | 02:24 |
| khem | yeah these are best for application distributions | 02:24 |
| khem | much like OSX | 02:25 |
| khem | apt/dnf etc. were nightmare for app guys | 02:25 |
| khem | all this version dependency hell is too distracting for apps, they really dont care | 02:26 |
| fray | agreed.. rpm, dnf, apt, etc etc etc are OS tools, not app tools.. people who tried to do apps were bound to fail with them | 02:26 |
| khem | linux's disadvantage is that a large set of its users are sysadmins | 02:26 |
| fray | made it powerful, but not easy to use.. for sure | 02:27 |
| khem | reason it became so good for non-interactive systems, is primarily too much system focus | 02:28 |
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| khem | but you lose somewhere dont you | 02:29 |
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| khem | there are efforts like endlessOS which might change landscape but desktop/latops are prior art by now :) | 02:30 |
| fray | in the end though, there is no one perfect OS.. each has it's place in the world.. and I'm not going to rag on someone who likes one thing over another.. | 02:31 |
| khem | but ChromeOS is there perhaps will be the future of desktop computing | 02:31 |
| fray | My person preference is MacOS for UI, and Linux for working... | 02:31 |
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| khem | decent combination I use it too | 02:50 |
| khem | but I think plasma5/arch is quite pleasing too combined with flatpack | 02:51 |
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| RP | khem: can you remind me of the setup which shows those file ownership failures? Its a docker container? | 06:58 |
| RP | khem: which OS running within which OS? | 06:59 |
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| khem | its docker yes, running debian10 | 07:20 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 07:47 |
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| emrius | Hi everyone, first thanks to PinkSnake, LetoThe2nd and others who helped me yesterday. Made some great progress since yesterday. I wrote my first couple of receipes and successfully included them into my image. | 08:56 |
| emrius | Now, I'm stuck at a layer using pypi to install scipy. the python-scipy.inc looks like this (pretty standard): | 08:58 |
| emrius | SUMMARY = "comprehensive password hashing framework supporting over 30 schemes"DESCRIPTION = "Scientific computing"PYPI_PACKAGE = "scipy"LICENSE = "BSD"LIC_FILES_CHKSUM = "file://LICENSE.txt;md5=011ccf01b7e0590d9435a864fc6a4d2b"SRC_URI[md5sum] = "3a97689656f33f67614000459ec08585"SRC_URI[sha256sum] = | 08:58 |
| emrius | "dee1bbf3a6c8f73b6b218cb28eed8dd13347ea2f87d572ce19b289d6fd3fbc59"RDEPENDS_${PN} += "\ ${PYTHON_PN}-numpy \" | 08:58 |
| RP | smurray: sadly it doesn't seem to have helped, its still failing intermittently :( | 08:58 |
| emrius | hmpf... well, pretty standard | 08:58 |
| emrius | the issie is at do_configure: `setup.py clean` is not supported, use one of the following instead: | 08:59 |
| emrius | ` | 08:59 |
| emrius | ` - git clean -xdf (cleans all files)` | 08:59 |
| PinkSnake | Hi @emrius could you please format your copy/paste plz :-) | 09:00 |
| emrius | Ok, apart from the irc copy-paste fu** up it can be said that something goes south during `do_configure` | 09:00 |
| emrius | How to copy paste multiline code? | 09:01 |
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| emrius | Test (sorry): ``` - `git clean -xdf` (cleans all files) - `git clean -Xdf` (cleans all version``` | 09:02 |
| emrius | Test (sorry): ``` - git clean -xdf (cleans all files) - git clean -Xdf (cleans all version``` | 09:03 |
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| emrius | Is there no way to get around pastebin?!! | 09:06 |
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| emrius | ```SUMMARY = "comprehensive password hashing framework supporting over 30 \nschemes"DESCRIPTION = "Scientific computing"``` | 09:07 |
| emrius | ```SUMMARY = "comprehensive password hashing framework supporting over 30 \n schemes"DESCRIPTION = "Scientific computing"``` | 09:07 |
| emrius | seriously?! no line breaks not even through \n? | 09:08 |
| emrius | ```SUMMARY = "comprehensive password hashing framework supporting over 30 schemes" \nDESCRIPTION = "Scientific computing"``` | 09:08 |
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| emrius | Ok, I'll stop spaming but this seems horrifically impractical to me! | 09:09 |
| emrius | https://paste2.org/J4neIwY9 | 09:09 |
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| emrius | Back to the topic: Do I need to overwrite `do_configure` for installation of scipy through pip ? If yes, how should I approach this? | 09:10 |
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| emrius | PinkSnake dod you have a hint how to proceed? | 09:13 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Bitbake fails at do_rootfs : none of the providers can be installed <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60503613/bitbake-fails-at-do-rootfs-none-of-the-providers-can-be-installed> | 09:14 |
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| graj | I have a yocto scenario where I need to run a binary with sudo command. Can anyone help ? | 09:15 |
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| emrius | Ok, found out: missing dependency on `distutils | 09:21 |
| emrius | Ok, found out: missing dependency on `distutils` | 09:21 |
| emrius | A right, no "arrow-up, correct, return" | 09:21 |
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| emrius | ;) | 09:22 |
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| PinkSnake | emrius: ;) | 09:27 |
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| emrius | Hey me again O:3 | 09:57 |
| emrius | So, I posted a question on stackoverflow using the #yocto tag but I didn't see the notfication here. | 09:57 |
| emrius | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60504526/why-does-yocto-scipy-recipe-require-python3-explicitly-set-how | 09:57 |
| emrius | Ah hang on, it was `yocti` right? | 09:57 |
| emrius | Anyhow, any hint on SO would be highly appreciated :) | 09:58 |
| emrius | Or here... | 09:58 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Why does yocto scipy recipe require python3 explicitly set? How? <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60504526/why-does-yocto-scipy-recipe-require-python3-explicitly-set-how> | 10:14 |
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| milloni | hm, there are commits in the poky krogoth branch ahead of krogoth-15.0.3 | 12:37 |
| milloni | but krogoth-15.0.0.3 is supposed to be the latest? | 12:38 |
| milloni | whats going on here? | 12:38 |
| milloni | i assume there's no active development on the krogoth branch | 12:38 |
| milloni | (by "the latest" above i mean the latest krogoth) | 12:38 |
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| kriive | Hi guys, any of you have insights or tutorials on how to deploy an angular application on a Yocto image? | 12:49 |
| kriive | My idea was to bbappend nginx and install a zipped file containing all the "compiled" angular artifacts to whatever/www | 12:50 |
| meego | kriive: if you need to do some npm/yarn build/bundling, i'd check poky/meta/classes/npm.bbclass | 12:51 |
| LetoThe2nd | kriive: just package it into a seperate recipe and RDEPEND on nginx | 12:51 |
| LetoThe2nd | kriive: it depends a bit on the fetch/build stages you need, there it might vary between just packaging externally produced artifacts to a full blown recipe that is based on something like npm.bbclass | 12:53 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kriive: see also https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#packaging-externally-produced-binaries | 12:54 |
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| RP | milloni: I suspect we had some changes post release which were worth merging | 12:56 |
| milloni | wouldn't that warrant a new release though? it seems strange to merge changes to a release branch and then not do the actual release | 12:57 |
| milloni | i suppose a lot of users go by tags and they'll miss those changes | 12:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | milloni: tags are so 2010s | 12:58 |
| RP | milloni: We encourage people to use branches, not tags | 12:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | all the cool kids are on git revs these days. | 12:58 |
| milloni | ok | 12:58 |
| RP | milloni: I suspect its minor stuff like docs tweaks or something | 12:58 |
| milloni | there's at least one cve fix in there... | 12:59 |
| RP | milloni: hmm :/ | 12:59 |
| milloni | oh well | 12:59 |
| meego | On that subject, is it always safe to pull latest commits if using a version branch (e.g. "warrior") ? I had been using tags on the asumption that they provide a more tested platform | 13:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | meego: depends on your definition of "safe" | 13:00 |
| meego | LetoThe2nd: i'm aiming to stay with the rest of the herd as much as possible :) | 13:01 |
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| RP | meego: we try to only merge tested things onto stable branches | 13:02 |
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| RP | smurray: I think I found another issue and sent a fix | 13:15 |
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| kriive | meego: thank you I'll look into it | 13:29 |
| kriive | LetoThe2nd: and thank you too | 13:30 |
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| smurray | RP: my apologies, I should have noticed that; I figured it would have After set that way already, and it didn't fail in my testing | 13:59 |
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| RP | smurray: np, I was a little disappointed with the sea of red this morning but hopefully got it now! I appreciate the help | 14:01 |
| smurray | RP: no worries | 14:02 |
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| JPEW | RP: The YAML dep is optional... but the more I use YAML the more I realize it (annoyinly) is one of the better ways to describe structured user configuration | 14:06 |
| JPEW | JSON is just such a pain to write by hand | 14:06 |
| LetoThe2nd | JPEW: really? | 14:07 |
| JPEW | LetoThe2nd: Which part :) | 14:07 |
| LetoThe2nd | the pain with json? to me its really one of the most easily writable and readable formats (proper linefeeds and indentation assumed) | 14:09 |
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| JPEW | LetoThe2nd: Right, so I'll clarify: For user maintained configuration files, I think YAML is easier than JSON. JSON isn't hard to read, but the parser is really strict with commas and such, so it's much harder to sit down and write a properly formatted JSON file the first time than YAML (IMO) | 14:11 |
| LetoThe2nd | JPEW: ah. | 14:11 |
| LetoThe2nd | might be a point to that. | 14:11 |
| JPEW | Also, JSON's lack of comments really becomes a problem (for user config files) | 14:11 |
| JaMa | I agree, I usually use something to check json syntax after I write it by hand | 14:11 |
| JPEW | For data exchange and serialization, JSON is by far the better format :) | 14:12 |
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| meego | What news websites/blogs do you follow for embedded-related news ? I've already discovered LWN & Phoronix for software, but I haven't yet found much yet on the hardware side. | 14:44 |
| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Got an error while copying unpacked files from workdir to ${D} <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60509710/got-an-error-while-copying-unpacked-files-from-workdir-to-d> | 14:45 |
| rburton | JSON is a disaster for human-editable | 14:50 |
| rburton | wrong quotes wrong comma no comments STUPID HUMAN | 14:50 |
| rburton | meego: linuxdevices has reasonable stuff | 14:51 |
| rburton | phoronix is pretty lame tbh | 14:51 |
| kergoth | yeah json sucks for manual editing. toml or yaml are better | 14:52 |
| * kergoth yawns | 14:52 | |
| meego | rburton: thanks. I'll check it out right awway. Agreed re: phoronix, the comments section in particular is a toxic wasteland | 14:52 |
| PinkSnake | Hi all, someone here could tell me how to install a prebuilt library ? I got an issue during the rootfs process ( nothing provide my lib :( ) | 14:53 |
| rburton | PinkSnake: make a recipe to put the prebuilt library in a package | 14:53 |
| rburton | and then hope that library paths, dependencies, abi requirements and so on are all compatible | 14:53 |
| rburton | and finally curse whoever made you integrate a prebuilt library | 14:54 |
| PinkSnake | rburton I don't understand what you mean :S I just want to install a prebuilt mylib.so, Yocto is able to bluid all packages depends on this lib, the issue is during image rootfs construction | 14:55 |
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| rburton | hard to debug mystery errors | 14:57 |
| kriive | prebuilt libraries very scary | 14:58 |
| JPEW | rburton: Oh, the time I've wasted looking at the disassembly from a pre-compiled library trying to deciper what it's doing :( | 14:58 |
| PinkSnake | Yes but the lib is not mine ^^ | 15:00 |
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| JPEW | PinkSnake: A log might help; the recipe providing the prebuilt library would be even more helpful :) | 15:02 |
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| PinkSnake | @JPWE It's a simple do_install function --> nothing provides my-lib needed by app-x5487-1.0+229804905e-r0.aarch64 | 15:05 |
| kriive | I root for ini config files | 15:05 |
| kriive | Not all that hipster stuff like JSON and YAML | 15:06 |
| RP | JPEW: the comments piece is a valid point I guess | 15:07 |
| RP | JPEW: I just fear adding more options into the mix :/ | 15:07 |
| qschulz | PinkSnake: "simple" and "I just want" and yet it does not work :) | 15:07 |
| qschulz | PinkSnake: check where the lib is installed. It's most likely in -dev package if it's not versioned (.so and not .so.x.y.z) | 15:08 |
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| qschulz | check all the warnings you got when compilingt the recipe | 15:08 |
| qschulz | but you're not giving us enough info unfortunately | 15:08 |
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| PinkSnake | qschulz https://pastebin.com/hXWYaYkN simple recipe | 15:12 |
| qschulz | PinkSnake: do_package_qa[noexec] = "1" :'D | 15:13 |
| PinkSnake | @qsch xD | 15:13 |
| qschulz | how are you supposed to detect the qa issues if you silence them :) | 15:13 |
| qschulz | (btw, you're most likely interested in the bin_package bbclass if nothing actually gets compiled but just installed) | 15:14 |
| qschulz | remove the noexec for do_package_qa and check what are the error messages | 15:14 |
| PinkSnake | qschulz I disable all i can when i search my issue ^^ thx a lot for bin_package bbclass i will take a look :) | 15:15 |
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| qschulz | PinkSnake: a simple recipe has only the do_install for a pre-built binary/lib, the recipe you've sent is already tweaked and no comments to explain why some lines are needed | 15:16 |
| PinkSnake | qschulz all varibale are in mega manual :) | 15:17 |
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| qschulz | PinkSnake: you're shooting yourself in the foot if you're not commenting (at least in the git commit log) why you need to silence some warnings or need to do some tricks. I've helped as much as I can now without more info, good luck. | 15:21 |
| PinkSnake | qschulz Come on, don't sulk. I removed most of comment before got to pastebin ;) | 15:22 |
| PinkSnake | qschulz issue is solved by **INSANE_SKIP_${PN} = "ldflags already-stripped" ** to inhibit warnings about files being stripped | 15:23 |
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| kriive | PinkSnake: rerun bitbake your-recipe-name after you've commented out do_package_qa[noexec] | 15:26 |
| kriive | I think you might need to add libblahblah to FILES_${PN}, maybe? | 15:27 |
| PinkSnake | kriive FILES_${PN} = "${libdir}/*.so.* ${includedir}/*" was already in place :S | 15:27 |
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| qschulz | PinkSnake: that is not enough. Though SOLIBS = ".so" should make lib.so part of FILES_${PN} | 15:29 |
| kriive | PinkSnake: I'm sorry if I'm late to the party, but which errors did you receive? | 15:29 |
| qschulz | kriive: nothing provides my-lib needed by app-x5487-1.0+229804905e-r0.aarch64 | 15:30 |
| PinkSnake | qschulz Thx https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/TipsAndTricks/Packaging_Prebuilt_Libraries | 15:31 |
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| kriive | PinkSnake: did you set COMPATIBLE_HOST? Can't find it in your pastebin | 15:32 |
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| matthewzmd | im getting [Errno 110] Connection timed out when trying to build yocto autobuilder on docker. has anyone encounter this before? | 15:33 |
| matthewzmd | NOTE: Fetching uninative binary shim from http://downloads.yoctoproject.org/releases/uninative/2.8/x86_64-nativesdk-libc.tar.xz;sha256sum=a09922172c3a439105e0ae6b943daad2d83505b17da0aba97961ff433b8c21ab | 15:33 |
| matthewzmd | Initialising tasks...WARNING: Error contacting Hash Equivalence Server typhoon.yocto.io:8686: [Errno 110] Connection timed out | 15:33 |
| JPEW | matthewzmd: You probably want to either disable hashequiv or make it use a local one instead of the autobuilder | 15:34 |
| matthewzmd | how can i do that? | 15:34 |
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| sagner | Is there a recommended way how to install initramfs into a rootfs? We experimented with a separate recipe and with tasks after do_rootfs both seems a bit hacky... | 15:36 |
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| JPEW | matthewzmd: set BB_HASHSERVE = "auto" in local.conf | 15:45 |
| matthewzmd | JPEW: Yes, i found it. Thank you! | 15:46 |
| JPEW | matthewzmd: That should be the default actually; I'm guessing you copied the AB config value accidentally | 15:46 |
| matthewzmd | JPEW: hmm. All I did a fresh git clone from https://git.yoctoproject.org/git/yocto-autobuilder-helper | 15:47 |
| JPEW | matthewzmd: Right, the autobuilder defaults :) | 15:47 |
| JPEW | IIRC, The default in oe-core is "auto", the autobuilder default will be typhoon.yocto.io | 15:48 |
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| armpit | YPTM: armin is waiting | 15:54 |
| tlwoerner | YPTM: trevorW is also waiting | 15:55 |
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| dreyna | YPTM: David here | 15:57 |
| armpit | tlwoerner, try tw-eh : ) | 15:57 |
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| smurray | YPTM: Scott M is on | 16:00 |
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| JPEW01 | YPTM: Joshua Watt here | 16:01 |
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| tlwoerner | YPTM meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ly8nyhO14kDNnFcW2QskANXW3ZT7QwKC5wWVDg9dDH4/edit | 16:22 |
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| kriive | To support my angular based package I ended up doing this: https://pastebin.com/Fp9Z7Lbq | 16:29 |
| kriive | It feels a lot hacky, what do you suggest I should improve or which shortcomings do you see | 16:30 |
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| kriive | I tried to use npm.bbappend but couldn't make it work | 16:30 |
| kriive | npm.bbclass sorry | 16:30 |
| JaMa | BTW https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Stable_Release_and_LTS#New_Releases_process just points to empty page https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Yocto_Project_Release_Process, (because of trailing comma) | 16:32 |
| tlwoerner | JaMa: are you on the call? | 16:34 |
| JaMa | tlwoerner: yes | 16:34 |
| JaMa | armpit: looks like you've updated the wiki recently, I don't have edit rights, can you fix https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Stable_Release_and_LTS&diff=70479&oldid=70474 ? | 16:34 |
| JaMa | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Stable_branch_maintenance also has https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Stable_Release_and_LTS, link with comma | 16:36 |
| tgamblin | JPEW: <--- | 16:39 |
| RP | JPEW: tgamblin | 16:39 |
| JaMa | RP: I was building in docker with ubuntu 18.04 until recently and wasn't seeing the host-user-contamination issue khem was fixing now, so either it was introduced recently (like last 2 months) or I wasn't able to reproduce in docker (I will retest with latest master under docker now) | 16:40 |
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| JaMa | RP: I was finally able to reproduce the issues with kernel artifacts naming pull request you've reported from autobuilder (for me it failed during "oe-selftest --skip-tests distrodata.Distrodata.test_checkpkg buildoptions.SourceMirroring.test_yocto_source_mirror -T machine -T toolchain-user -T toolchain-system -j 15" which took almost whole day to finish, so I'm trying to find something faster to reproduce it | 16:43 |
| JaMa | as well, is it already too late for this in 3.1 or should I try to hurry and respin the pull request? | 16:43 |
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| JaMa | RP: yes, I'm in call, just mutted, because kids are a bit loud today | 16:48 |
| JaMa | ok, fair enough | 16:48 |
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| armpit | JaMa, done | 16:55 |
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| JaMa | armpit: thanks! | 17:00 |
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| armpit | np | 17:02 |
| JaMa | the call notes say "RP: yes, tsc recommendation is 3.0 will have 9 months (not 6 or 12)." and https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Stable_Release_and_LTS says "Stable releases are maintained for seven months" (twice), which one should be fixed? Or is 3.0 special that it will be 9 and e.g. 3.2 will be 7 months? | 17:04 |
| armpit | JaMa, the extra month allows for a last dot release after the previous release it released | 17:06 |
| armpit | we can not do two at the same time | 17:06 |
| armpit | or we go with 5 months | 17:07 |
| armpit | the 1 year releases really are lasting 16 months just to get one last dot release out | 17:07 |
| JaMa | I understand why 7 months, 9 != 7 | 17:08 |
| armpit | 9 months because zeus was out before we defined LTS so we are easing folks into the new scheme | 17:09 |
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| armpit | yes, zeus is special.. and we have not updated docs. We still need to send out a message to the mailing lists about | 17:12 |
| JaMa | thanks, that's what I was asking | 17:12 |
| qschulz | BTW, any reason for keeping thud in maintained versions? I don't think there's gonna be another dot release right? To me this means it's not maintained anymore but I may have forgotten something in my reasoning process :) | 17:12 |
| JaMa | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Stable_Release_and_LTS still has two links with trailing comma "Kernel cadence" and "Poky releases" | 17:13 |
| armpit | I used to do that and even mark things as EOL but now there is a YP TSC, I need to follow a more formal process. its is not defined yet | 17:14 |
| armpit | JaMa, will fix shortly | 17:14 |
| armpit | all this documenting and keeping docs up to date take time | 17:15 |
| denix | armpit: I think JaMa volunteers to update the docs... :) | 17:16 |
| dreyna | <tlwoerner> : thank you for the minutes | 17:16 |
| tlwoerner | dreyna: no prob! | 17:16 |
| armpit | I foolishly stepped into trying to keep the stable branch doc updated | 17:16 |
| * tlwoerner hopes the notes are coherent | 17:17 | |
| dreyna | yes! | 17:17 |
| JaMa | denix: luckily I don't have permissions to do that | 17:17 |
| tlwoerner | if others would like to review the notes and verify the points that'd be great, shoot me an IRC if you see anything missing or needs fixing | 17:17 |
| armpit | Shot You ? | 17:17 |
| * tlwoerner ducks | 17:18 | |
| JaMa | tlwoerner: notes look good to me, thanks | 17:18 |
| JaMa | tlwoerner: well there is few typos mucl -> musl | 17:18 |
| armpit | I read "shoot me", being in America | 17:18 |
| tlwoerner | opps! s/shoot me/shoot me a note/g ;-) | 17:18 |
| armpit | and I can't spell at all | 17:19 |
| tlwoerner | armpit: i forgot the "a note" part, lol | 17:19 |
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| milloni | what's the codename for 3.1? | 17:20 |
| RP | dunfell | 17:21 |
| JaMa | milloni: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Releases | 17:21 |
| milloni | thanks | 17:21 |
| JaMa | armpit: thanks for wiki fixes | 17:22 |
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| khem | RP: a system reboot after reboot of build machine and now docker build cant reproduce the problem :( pseudo has managed to make docker inconsistent | 18:15 |
| RP | khem: gah :( | 18:15 |
| khem | RP: but looking at the fixes I think they should be applied | 18:16 |
| RP | khem: The implication is changing every cp command in the codebase | 18:16 |
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| RP | khem: I want a good reason/understanding before we commit to that | 18:16 |
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| khem | so my docker setup uses same user ID as that of my docker host | 18:16 |
| khem | I wonder if in some case the ID changes | 18:16 |
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| tgamblin | JPEW: you wanted to discuss a YP bug (https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13815)? | 18:17 |
| yocti | Bug 13815: normal, Medium+, 3.1 M4, trevor.gamblin, NEW , Reproducibility test failure occurs for deb even if package_deb is not set | 18:17 |
| RP | tgamblin: JPEW was wondering if you tried to reproduce the perl module issue using the reproducibiity selftest? | 18:18 |
| JPEW | tgamblin: Correct. You should be able to easily modify the reproducible build OEQA test to build just that recipe | 18:19 |
| khem | RP: cp is not preserving mode,perms unless told to do so | 18:19 |
| tgamblin | RP: JPEW: oh, yeah. I've been running reproducibility for my coreutils patch but I don't see the libmodule-build-perl errors anymore | 18:19 |
| RP | tgamblin: oe-selftest -r reproducible.ReproducibleTests.test_reproducible_builds after setting the perl module name as images= in that test | 18:20 |
| RP | khem: but it should be deterministic | 18:20 |
| JPEW | khem: Do you have your Dockerfile sources? | 18:21 |
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| * tgamblin spins up a few reproducibility test runs | 18:27 | |
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| JPEW | I get `ERROR - Build directory /projects/poky/build-st already exists, aborting` every time I run oe-selftest... is the expectation that the user has to delete that every time now? | 18:33 |
| smurray | khem: just curious, what are you using for filesystem access in Docker? Wondering if it might be some overlayfs issue or the like that's being tickled | 18:34 |
| khem | I am on f2fs | 18:35 |
| khem | and ext4 | 18:35 |
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| khem | tmp is on ext4 | 18:35 |
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| RP | JPEW: pass -j 1 | 18:36 |
| RP | JPEW: Its a bug in my recent code changes. Its leaving the non -j builddir around for no good reason except the code changes forgot to account for it | 18:36 |
| JPEW | RP: That fixed it. Thanks! | 18:38 |
| RP | JPEW: "fixed" ;-) | 18:38 |
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| JPEW | Ah, right, it's toaster that's still using addDefaultlogFilter(), not devtool and tinfoil | 18:40 |
| tgamblin | RP: familiar with this? https://github.com/franzflasch/REM | 18:40 |
| tgamblin | I was thinking about Yocto-like systems for micros, but it looks like someone's already started one | 18:41 |
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| RP | tgamblin: not seen that before, interesting | 18:42 |
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| khem | JPEW https://github.com/YoeDistro/docker-yoe-build/blob/buster/Dockerfile | 18:43 |
| RP | tgamblin: I actually have recipes for AVR microcontrollers! | 18:43 |
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| RP | including ones which which build an AVR target compiler that runs on arm, built on x86 :) | 18:44 |
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| RP | (I have some Pis with AVRs connected over SPI) | 18:44 |
| tgamblin | RP: do you have those hosted on GitHub or elsewhere? | 18:45 |
| RP | tgamblin: just local unfortunately | 18:45 |
| JPEW | khem: FWIW, we had a ton of trouble with using --user and docker in Pyrex | 18:45 |
| RP | tgamblin: its all a bit hacked together | 18:46 |
| tgamblin | RP: Ah, understandable. If you ever post it somewhere, let me know | 18:47 |
| khem | JPEW so yoo run as root ? | 18:47 |
| RP | tgamblin: will do, I should sort them out. There are some fun things there | 18:47 |
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| JPEW | khem: We start as root and switch the the required used in an initialization script: https://github.com/garmin/pyrex/blob/master/image/entry.py | 18:48 |
| JPEW | s/used/user/ | 18:49 |
| JPEW | khem: Also, see https://github.com/garmin/pyrex/blob/master/image/cleanup.py which makes sure pseudo dumps its in memory database to disk before the container gets killed off (b/c that caused all sorts of contamination issues also) | 18:50 |
| tgamblin | RP: JPEW: still not seeing the libmodule-build-perl error with reproducibility. Given that I don't see that, and I do see reproducibility complain about PACKAGE_CLASSES = "package_ipk" instead of PACKAGE_CLASSES = "package_ipk package_deb", I wonder if my environment is somehow suspect... | 18:51 |
| JPEW | tgamblin: Given our past history with perl I would be entirely unsuprised if that one crops up again, but the pacakge_deb does seem like it might be something on your end... would still be nice to know what | 18:53 |
| khem | JPEW: I dont think I have seen much issues that need to be handled frankly and --user works ok too, except for running tests in emulator where it needs sudo access, I wish all tests could run using slirp then we dont need any sudo stuff at all | 18:53 |
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| RP | khem: the pseudo being killed off problem is a real issue and potentially could cause what you saw | 18:55 |
| khem | hmmm yeah thats possible | 18:56 |
| RP | tgamblin: I started a reproducibility test locally just for interest | 18:56 |
| JPEW | khem: There is some way to make pseudo exit as soon as the last client disconnects.... I don't think it does good things for performance, but it's easy to try to see if thats the problem. | 18:58 |
| JPEW | Can't recall how ATM | 18:58 |
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| JPEW | khem: Maybe add "-S" to FAKEROOTCMD? | 19:08 |
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| JPEW | Hmm, there's no oe-selftest for toaster? | 19:16 |
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| RP | JPEW: no, sadly no automated testing we can run :( | 19:26 |
| ed___ | Hey everyone, I'm trying to create a recipe for a python .whl file, manually you could do pip3 install https://....somename.whl but inherit pypi didn't seem to act as I expected. My source filename exists in the temp with [name].whl but I think pypi is actually expecting tar.gz to pip install - how can I fix this? | 19:27 |
| JaMa | RP: khem: I've also rebuilt all 3 (dbus-test strace boost) in docker with 18.04 (both on host and inside container) and didn't get any host-user-contamination issues | 19:29 |
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| JPEW | JaMa: What container setup are you using? | 19:45 |
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| ed___ | Hmmm... hitting another issue, I've enabled fortran in my local conf but do_configure for gcc-runtime (ver 9.2) throws an error that -V and -qversion are unsupported, I understand they got merged into -v. Not sure how to fix this.... | 20:04 |
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| kergoth | JPEW: Hmm, what would be required to use a custom docker image with pyrex? That is, what does it expect out of the docker image to be able to do its job? | 20:05 |
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| JPEW | kergoth: I think you mostly need the parts in this section https://github.com/garmin/pyrex/blob/master/image/Dockerfile#L525 through line 552 | 20:17 |
| JPEW | Not necessarily all of them | 20:17 |
| JPEW | kergoth: We publish the "-base" images in case someone wants to do this | 20:18 |
| kergoth | couldn't that be handled by bind mounting the pyrex path rather than copying it all in, thereby reducing the pyrex-specifics needed in the docker image? | 20:18 |
| kergoth | would still need the entrypoint though | 20:19 |
| kergoth | we're requiring a specific distro and version here | 20:19 |
| JPEW | kergoth: Yes, it could. I've though about doing that, but haven't decided if it's a good idea | 20:19 |
| JPEW | What distro/version? | 20:20 |
| kergoth | debian 10 | 20:20 |
| JPEW | Ah. That one seems popular :) | 20:20 |
| kergoth | shrug, not my call :) | 20:22 |
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| JPEW | kergoth: It should be possible. The easiest would be to add it to our existing Dockerfile so we can publish the images, but I realize that's not great for a lot of reasons. | 20:26 |
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| khem | RP: the dlm issue I was mentioning is reproducible and the reason is that Makefile is using cp -a see https://pagure.io/dlm/blob/master/f/libdlm/Makefile#_128 | 20:30 |
| khem | so using cp -a is definitely need to change | 20:31 |
| JPEW | kergoth: docker has a --entrypoint argument; between that and a bind mount it might very well be possible to use a generic image | 20:33 |
| RP | khem: right, cp -a is a different thing | 20:41 |
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| RP | tgamblin: I reproduced the problem and a whole lot more :( | 21:11 |
| khem | RP: right thats what is case with atleast dbus-test | 21:11 |
| tgamblin | RP: Hmm, wonder why I can't see it. What else fell out? | 21:12 |
| RP | tgamblin: libc locale issues | 21:12 |
| RP | tgamblin: are you somehow forcing an sstate cache for both builds? | 21:13 |
| tgamblin | RP: Not that I can see. I retried it recently on my Fedora builder (which I've never run the test on before), and it still passes just fine for me | 21:14 |
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| RP | tgamblin: after the repro test completes you have two build directories | 21:18 |
| armpit | RP, do we throaty back the number of cores in each worker? | 21:18 |
| RP | tgamblin: have a look in them and look at ./usr/lib/libmodule-build-perl/ptest/_build/build_params in the libmodule-build-perl ptest package | 21:18 |
| armpit | if so, should we open up a worker ? | 21:19 |
| RP | tgamblin: you should see the build path encoded into _added_to_INC, base_dir and other places | 21:19 |
| tgamblin | RP: I have my normal build folder, and another build-st folder | 21:19 |
| RP | armpit: I don''t understand | 21:19 |
| JaMa | JPEW: nothing special, very basic Dockerfile I've created long time ago (before crops existed or at least I wasn't aware of that) and since then I'm just updating which ubuntu release to start from | 21:19 |
| RP | tgamblin: in build-st there should be two tmp dirs? | 21:20 |
| armpit | don't we use -J16 instead of all threads | 21:20 |
| armpit | could we use 32 ? | 21:20 |
| RP | armpit: We do limit the number of parallel make threads, yes | 21:20 |
| RP | armpit: what problem are we trying to solve? | 21:21 |
| tgamblin | RP: I only see one tmp-glibc :/ | 21:21 |
| armpit | maybe we are dealing with a race condition | 21:21 |
| RP | armpit: each worker has three builds running in parallel so make is lower to try not to overload the machines | 21:21 |
| RP | tgamblin: build-st/reproducibleA and build-st/reproducibleB ? | 21:22 |
| tgamblin | RP: Negative. I haven't seen either of those paths being created by reproducibility in a while | 21:23 |
| RP | tgamblin: well, that is your issue | 21:23 |
| RP | tgamblin: note the bit where that tests sets TMPDIR = "{tmpdir}" | 21:24 |
| RP | tgamblin: for reasons unknown its having no effect in your build | 21:24 |
| RP | a bit like the PACKAGE_CLASS bit | 21:24 |
| tgamblin | RP: hmm ok. I'll have a look | 21:25 |
| * tgamblin is wondering if maybe it has something to do with the tmux session | 21:25 | |
| RP | tgamblin: if that happens it only has one build directory and hence they will be identical :/ | 21:25 |
| tgamblin | RP: Guess I shouldn't've been trusting that part to be coming out OK :P | 21:28 |
| RP | tgamblin: I'm just guessing but there is something odd going on here | 21:29 |
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| tgamblin | RP: yeah, I'm looking around in my environments to see if there's anything common between the two build hosts that I could've tweaked to be causing this | 21:40 |
| tgamblin | Might have to try a container | 21:40 |
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| tgamblin | One of said build hosts isn't maintained by me, so if it's something I've done specifically, someone else and/or a container should see the expected behavior | 21:42 |
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| JaMa | zeddii: have you tried building docker-moby with http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-virtualization/commit/?id=f770151b3ff0938bea4972abdd1ee7f6cbc3a074 ? or only docker-ce? | 21:45 |
| JaMa | zeddii: docker-moby now fails with exec: "arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc": executable file not found in $PATH | 21:45 |
| RP | tgamblin: is this in a standard poky checkout or standard oe-core or something else? | 21:45 |
| RP | tgamblin: I very much doubt its something external | 21:46 |
| tgamblin | RP: standard oe-core | 21:46 |
| tgamblin | RP: I'm going to get someone else at WR to try a build to be sure | 21:46 |
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| tgamblin | RP: only thing is that I have my coreutils patches sitting on top of it | 21:49 |
| kriive | I'm inside a CROPS container and running qemu with slirp | 22:01 |
| kriive | What should I do to have a basic connection to the network? Should I add network capabilities to docker? | 22:01 |
| kriive | Nevermind, my bad, I am an idiot | 22:04 |
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| JPEW | RP: I updated http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/log/?h=jpew/logging with the autobuilder config file that captures hashequiv messages and lowering the default hashequiv logging level so they don't appear on the console | 22:27 |
| JPEW | Looks like it's working pretty well, except for the VERBOSE logging level show up a "Level 19" :) | 22:28 |
| JPEW | But I know how to fix that | 22:28 |
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| kiwi_29 | Hello... I get this error ERROR: Task do_create_manifest in <PATH>/poky/meta/recipes-devtools/python/python3_3.7.4.bb depends upon non-existent task do_patch in <PATH>poky/meta/recipes-devtools/python/python3_3.7.4.bbERROR: Command execution failed: 1 | 22:55 |
| kiwi_29 | This happens on all bitbake commands | 22:55 |
| kiwi_29 | I do not understand where did it come from | 22:56 |
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| kiwi_29 | It used to work properly | 22:56 |
| kergoth | do_patch exists in the python recipe. it sounds like you have something funky in your local environment | 22:56 |
| kiwi_29 | I added oe-meta-go layer and also was trying to add python..but do not know what went wrong | 22:56 |
| kiwi_29 | kergoth yes | 22:56 |
| kiwi_29 | how do I remove python3 from build process | 22:56 |
| kiwi_29 | because none of bitbake commands work as this is the first error and it exis\ts | 22:57 |
| kiwi_29 | exits | 22:57 |
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| RP | JPEW: sounds good | 23:00 |
| * RP is going to step away from the computer for a bit, likely tomorrow evening. Need a break... | 23:00 | |
| mccc | Hello, I am trying to structure recipes to build packages with two dimensions of input. One dimension is the 'customer', the other dimension is the 'target image.' For example, I have custA, custB, and custC I want to create packages for trgtA and trgtB. The end result I want are the following packages: custA-trgtA, custA-trgtB, custB-trgtA, custB-trgtB, custC-trgtA, custC-trgtB. Can I do this reasonably without creating individual | 23:02 |
| mccc | recipes for each package? For example by having recipes for each customer which inherit classes for each target? | 23:02 |
| kiwi_29 | bitbake throws this error everytime and therefore all of my compilation has stopped | 23:05 |
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| mccc | Hi sorry for my internet blip, no chance someone had input on my question in the interim, is there? | 23:20 |
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| khem | mccc: I would rather see what can be common between these and maybe use packageconfig feature to have these differences captures | 23:38 |
| khem | last option would be where all combinations are different recipes | 23:38 |
| khem | you could also view it as distro per customer then it will become easier | 23:39 |
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| mccc | Hi thanks khem, indeed most of the mechanics are identical per customer besides the name and location of configuration files, eg. custA uses useradd to create "cust_a_user" and drop "file://cust_a/service.conf" to "/home/cust_a_user/service.conf" | 23:43 |
| kiwi_29 | Hello... I m looking for help on below | 23:46 |
| kiwi_29 | Everytime I run bitbake, after the build configuration is printed, I get this error | 23:46 |
| kiwi_29 | ERROR: Task do_create_manifest in <PATH>/poky/meta/recipes-devtools/python/python3_3.7.4.bb depends upon non-existent task do_patch in <PATH>poky/meta/recipes-devtools/python/python3_3.7.4.bbERROR: Command execution failed: 1 | 23:46 |
| kiwi_29 | how to I salvage / rectify my local build environment | 23:47 |
| kiwi_29 | I m not able to do anything | 23:47 |
| kiwi_29 | khem would you have any insight in to this? | 23:47 |
| mccc | A problem I'm running in to is the following. If I create a single recipe per user and have it include a class (trgtA.bbclass) per target which adds FILES_${PN}-trgtA for that target, then I seemingly cannot place a file in the same location for two targets. Eg. I could not have /home/cust_a_user/service.conf on target A specified by trgtA.bbclass and have a different /home/cust_a_user/service.conf on target B specified by trgtB.bbclass. | 23:47 |
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| mccc | (where I would have trgtA-image include all of custA-trgtA, custB-trgtA, custC-trgtA and have trgtB-image include custA-trgtB, etc) | 23:49 |
| kergoth | they wouldn't be able to install in the same image, and would conflict in bitbake's package data. two packages can't provide the same file unless it's marked as a config file in CONFFILES | 23:49 |
| kergoth | if you don't build them both in the same build dir it won't be a problem | 23:49 |
| kergoth | there are ways around it, but probably best to keep them isolated to separate builds and/or distros | 23:49 |
| khem | kiwi_29: is this master or zeus release, | 23:50 |
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| kiwi_29 | zeus | 23:50 |
| kiwi_29 | khem | 23:50 |
| khem | ok and whats your build host distro | 23:51 |
| mccc | kergoth: in my case I would like to install them in separate images created by the same distro (my-service-distro). | 23:51 |
| khem | mcc, kergoth I think one approach is to divide the customer specific piece into a package of its own something like custX-conf | 23:51 |
| kergoth | good idea | 23:51 |
| kiwi_29 | khem : host is ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS | 23:52 |
| khem | kiwi_29: ok, any local changes ? | 23:52 |
| khem | IRC sucks with multithreaded conversations, wish we used something modern | 23:52 |
| kiwi_29 | I added oe-meta-go layer | 23:53 |
| kiwi_29 | and also had tried to use devtool to install python and python3 on target | 23:53 |
| kiwi_29 | I believe this started happening after I used devtool modify python3 | 23:53 |
| kiwi_29 | then I tried to instal python3 on target using devtool deploy | 23:54 |
| khem | ok, did you try to delete tmp/ | 23:54 |
| kiwi_29 | no | 23:54 |
| kiwi_29 | should I fully delete tmp? | 23:54 |
| khem | yes | 23:54 |
| mccc | khem: I hear you I'll just do the username prefix thin ;). Do you mean something like custA-conf.bb? How does that square with wanting to install different files for a single customer to the same location in different packages? That is, custA-conf.bb specifies the package custA-trgtA.deb installs /home/cust_a_user/service.conf and installs a completely different service.conf in custA-trgtB.deb for /home/cust_a_user/service.conf? | 23:54 |
| khem | rebuild is fast since it will use sstate | 23:54 |
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| kiwi_29 | trying now | 23:55 |
| khem | mccc: kergoth just mentioned, we cant have same file be provided by different recipes in same image | 23:55 |
| mccc | khem: but I would install them in different images. That is, trgtA-image.bb installs custA-trgtA and trgtB-image.bb installs custA-trgtB. | 23:56 |
| kiwi_29 | khem I get the same error even after deleting tmp folder | 23:56 |
| khem | mccc: perhaps possible, but you have to make these two deb use RCONFLICT or something | 23:57 |
| khem | kiwi_29: ok then perhaps do devtool reset python3 ? | 23:57 |
| khem | and see if that helps | 23:57 |
| kiwi_29 | I did it ..but let me try again | 23:57 |
| kiwi_29 | gives me same error on devtool reset too | 23:58 |
| kiwi_29 | is there a way to get rid of cache...I dont mind spending an hour for everything to compile again from scratch | 23:58 |
| kiwi_29 | already wasted few hours on this issue :( | 23:59 |
| mccc | khem: Is it possible though, since the recipe would share a $D amongst all of the packages it builds? | 23:59 |
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