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| moto-timo | khem: pocket dial or trying to call my attention to the interaction? | 00:48 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Facing issue in yocto zeus u-boot compilation [closed] <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61411154/facing-issue-in-yocto-zeus-u-boot-compilation> | 03:53 |
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| roussinm | khem: lldb is not a target. That's why it wasn't that obvious to me. | 05:05 |
| roussinm | well nothing RPROVIDES it. | 05:05 |
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| khem | moto-timo: tab completion pressed to quickly, wasnt looking for you | 06:03 |
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| khem | roussinm: buildhistory tells me its in clang package packages/aarch64-yoe-linux-musl/clang/clang/files-in-package.txt:-rwxr-xr-x root root 3539240 ./usr/bin/lldb-server | 06:05 |
| khem | perhaps we should create subpackages for lldb and related packages, so clang is not such a fat package | 06:06 |
| roussinm | Maybe in master? | 06:14 |
| roussinm | I am on zeus clang-9 | 06:14 |
| khem | the problem is on master too | 06:14 |
| roussinm | ha! | 06:15 |
| khem | I mean binary exists but its packaged into clang package | 06:15 |
| roussinm | But I don't want clang inside my image, I want lldb :) | 06:15 |
| khem | so if you want just lldb-server then you will get whole shebang | 06:15 |
| khem | exactly, thats why I said we perhaps need to divide the PACKAGE part in clang recipe to have multiple packages | 06:16 |
| roussinm | a lldb package seems reasonable, RRECOMMENDS with lldb-server? | 06:16 |
| khem | perhaps you can send a patch :) | 06:16 |
| khem | I think lldb-server should be a separate package lldb should be also seprate | 06:17 |
| khem | e.g. for cross debugging you dont want lldb | 06:17 |
| khem | just lldb-server is enough | 06:17 |
| roussinm | right. | 06:17 |
| roussinm | I'll look into this during weekend, much more free time now with covid-19. | 06:18 |
| khem | so I would think create lldb and lldb-server at minimum | 06:18 |
| khem | roussinm: good deal | 06:18 |
| roussinm | I'll probable send it through github.com if that's fine with you? | 06:18 |
| khem | roussinm: perhaps also seprate out liblldb into its own package | 06:20 |
| khem | yes I prefer github | 06:20 |
| roussinm | should I follow the same pattern in clang_git.bb, ${PN}-lldb-server or lldb-server, I saw `libclang` as a package without the prefix ${PN}, which I think is not common? | 06:21 |
| khem | yeah libraries usually start with lib | 06:23 |
| khem | I think we should use lldb and lldb-server | 06:23 |
| roussinm | Interesting I would of though that could cause some collision? | 06:23 |
| khem | using ${PN} helps in multilib case | 06:23 |
| roussinm | Ha! haven't looked at multilib much. | 06:24 |
| roussinm | I know poky provides an llvm, wondering if that could cause problem is they build lldb too? | 06:25 |
| khem | no it does not, its only providing libLLVM purely for mesa | 06:26 |
| khem | and that too gets shadowed if you use meta-clang, then the version from meta-clang will be used | 06:26 |
| roussinm | ha ok, we are not using mesa, so I guess it doesn't matter then.. | 06:26 |
| khem | it would not have matterred even if you used mesa | 06:27 |
| roussinm | right. | 06:27 |
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| khem | now a days I am finding that package compiled fine with clang but has issues with gcc, which are gcc problems I guess tables have turned clang is massively used | 06:28 |
| khem | was playing with openCV on RISCV | 06:28 |
| roussinm | Right, but latest benchmarks indicated that gcc as faster compile time on most cases now. | 06:29 |
| roussinm | I don't remember about the runtime performances though... | 06:29 |
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| khem | yes, I think clang has got many optimizations perhaps more than gcc by now so more passes | 06:29 |
| khem | to execute | 06:29 |
| khem | it was fast when it did not do much optimizations | 06:30 |
| khem | :) | 06:30 |
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| khem | I think runtime is neck to neck | 06:30 |
| roussinm | One of the advantages I really like about clang/llvm architecture is all the tools that are derived from it. | 06:30 |
| roussinm | tidy,include-fixer, etc. | 06:31 |
| khem | exactly, I have a suite of inhouse tools too | 06:31 |
| khem | things like reachability analyers which are critical for security | 06:31 |
| roussinm | It's a learning curve, but documentation is plenty and code examples are pretty complete. | 06:31 |
| khem | and sanitizers are quite useful | 06:32 |
| roussinm | oh ya I haven't had time to convince my team to active sanitizers | 06:32 |
| roussinm | It took me about 5-6 months to get clang-tidy into the CI pipeline :S | 06:32 |
| khem | I guess compile speed is no more the reason to use clang, althogh I think it still is fast for spaghetti C++ code even today ( think of browsers ) | 06:33 |
| roussinm | if you use LTO builds? I guess that has a big impact on compilation speed... | 06:34 |
| khem | good deal with clang-tidy | 06:34 |
| khem | you can use thinLTO, its a good compromise fullLTO is slow as you say | 06:34 |
| roussinm | Right, I am able to use fullLto on current builds, application is relatively small. | 06:35 |
| khem | thats good, I think if you want to use distro-wide then I think thinLTO would be easier | 06:35 |
| roussinm | How can I get it distro-wide? | 06:36 |
| roussinm | I would need to build the whole distro with clang I guess right? | 06:37 |
| khem | add 'thin-lto' to DISTRO_FEATURES | 06:37 |
| roussinm | oh ok, ya that's already there. | 06:38 |
| khem | thats right you need to set TOOLCHAIN = "clang" globally perhaps in local.conf | 06:38 |
| khem | on arm64/rpi4 I get better framerate with a system built with clang btw. | 06:38 |
| roussinm | hmmm interesting, Qt projects? | 06:39 |
| khem | when doing webGL in Webkit | 06:39 |
| khem | no QT is last decade .. its 20s now. | 06:39 |
| khem | browsers are king | 06:39 |
| roussinm | Last decade?! Are you going to run 60 fps applications in WebKit? | 06:40 |
| khem | and web assembly is future | 06:40 |
| roussinm | embedded* | 06:40 |
| khem | roussinm: yep wpewebkit | 06:40 |
| roussinm | well, this blows my mind... | 06:40 |
| khem | easily can do 60fps | 06:41 |
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| roussinm | You continue to write c++ code, right? | 06:41 |
| roussinm | or c... | 06:41 |
| khem | I think even chromium can do it too | 06:41 |
| roussinm | Chromium eats all the memory! | 06:42 |
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| roussinm | I only have 1G on my device. | 06:42 |
| khem | no new code in c/c++, new code is golang or rust or nodejs | 06:42 |
| khem | use wpewebkit, runs fine on a system with 512MB | 06:43 |
| roussinm | I can't believe that golang/nodejs can go as fast as c++ code... in most cases. | 06:43 |
| roussinm | rust, sure. | 06:43 |
| khem | and has needed bits from blink | 06:43 |
| khem | on the contrary, go is quite fast than tou would think | 06:44 |
| roussinm | I have done some go, I really like it, mostly for web stuff. | 06:44 |
| roussinm | Channels, right? | 06:44 |
| khem | since most of bad code is written doing memory management and concurrency management, and go runtime takes care of this | 06:44 |
| roussinm | C++ has smart pointers now :) | 06:44 |
| khem | and that makes huge differnece | 06:44 |
| khem | yeah facelift ;) | 06:45 |
| roussinm | We are going to start a new project | 06:45 |
| roussinm | I might have to pitch the wpewebkit idea. | 06:45 |
| khem | use go, or rust you will thank me in 5-10 years | 06:45 |
| roussinm | I mean none of the team members knows Go, I'm pretty sure they will be like, nop! I don't want to use web technologies, it's slow. | 06:46 |
| khem | yes wpewebkit, is a good idea, perhaps using wayland if you dont care, use eglfs | 06:46 |
| roussinm | We tryed using wayland with our Xilinx SOC, and it's pretty bad. | 06:46 |
| khem | go is not web alone | 06:47 |
| roussinm | We are using the libMali propertary blob. | 06:47 |
| roussinm | Go is not only web, but it's really good a web stuff. | 06:47 |
| khem | learning go is surprisingly easy handful of constructs | 06:48 |
| roussinm | And there is a package manager. | 06:49 |
| khem | c++ programmers find it quite easy transition i would think | 06:49 |
| roussinm | I found the transition pretty easy for pet projects. | 06:49 |
| khem | yes go-dep, | 06:49 |
| roussinm | I think their stdlib is lacking right? | 06:50 |
| khem | btw for wpewebkit if you are interested https://github.com/YoeDistro/meta-yoe/blob/master/recipes-core/images/yoe-kiosk-image.bb | 06:50 |
| khem | roussinm: I have it all sorted out in yoe-distro | 06:51 |
| khem | what do you mean with stdlib is lacking ? | 06:51 |
| roussinm | Missing a lot of basic stuff common operation, it's been a while since last I checked, so they might've put more stuff in it since. | 06:52 |
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| roussinm | khem: I'll checkout the repository, thanks! | 06:55 |
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| roussinm | 3am here, sooo I'm out, later! | 06:59 |
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| khem | gn | 07:04 |
| * khem -> sleep () | 07:04 | |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: do_compile of GNU Hello World fails in simple yocto recipe <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61422364/do-compile-of-gnu-hello-world-fails-in-simple-yocto-recipe> | 07:53 |
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| alexb3600 | Hi, I want to add openss1.0.0 on my image but there is only a recipe for openssl1.1, does anybody have an idea? | 09:20 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: What happen if not use FILE in a recipe? <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61423842/what-happen-if-not-use-file-in-a-recipe> | 09:54 |
| Moh3N | Hi , when my image booting from nfs server , I find temporary filesystem with some MB size , I know thease partitions created in ram dynamically, is there any way to define its size staticly in yocto ??? | 09:56 |
| Moh3N | for example : devtmpfs 169M /dev | 09:57 |
| Moh3N | tmpfs 208M /var/volatile | 09:58 |
| Moh3N | ho to change these Ram partition in yocto ?? | 09:58 |
| Moh3N | khem thank you for your advice, using IMAGE_ROOTFS_EXTRASPACE_append , it helps me very much | 10:03 |
| RP | Looks like its the sysroot patch in -next which is breaking things. Need to ask the author what they were thinking... | 10:10 |
| Moh3N | thank you, if we Imagine that they havent any patch and I want to see the result in emulator, how I can do this ?? | 10:15 |
| Moh3N | Imagine I want to test it with qemuarm machine | 10:16 |
| RP | Moh3N: you need to override the mount options for those partitions, its less of a yocto issue and more of a general linux configuration issue | 10:17 |
| Moh3N | ok, I want to it be as same as my opinion when my board boots up,so I must write an script to do this at startup ?? | 10:18 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: BBCLASSEXTEND="native nativesdk" <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61425186/bbclassextend-native-nativesdk> | 11:54 |
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| khem | RP: reminding you of the binutils/gcc patches | 15:23 |
| khem | since they will need rebuilds so you might want to try them sooner, I am looking for them to be backported to dunfell soonish | 15:23 |
| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: yocto kernel module recipe <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61427670/yocto-kernel-module-recipe> | 15:25 |
| RP | khem: aren't they in next? | 15:26 |
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| RP | khem: sorry, they're not. I really thought I'd pulled them | 15:29 |
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| kanavin_home | RP: I'm going to start sending the version updates in 15-piece chunks | 17:07 |
| kanavin_home | RP: as much as I love my bombs, I think sending 63 pieces at once is too much :) | 17:07 |
| RP | kanavin_home: if you have a poky branch with them in, what we could do is just run it on the AB? | 17:11 |
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| RP | kanavin_home: happy to do that | 17:12 |
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| kanavin_home | RP: there is a branch, but it's several weeks old at this point (the patches are not from AUH, but handcrafted where AUH couldn't update), so I am taking the 15 piece chunks, and update them to the current latest versions | 17:14 |
| RP | kanavin_home: ok, fair enough. The offer is there if it makes sense | 17:14 |
| kanavin_home | RP: I don't want to overwhelm you, or me really. The AB is certain to show issues. But the goal is still to bring the outdated recipes to a small handful, and try to keep it that way. | 17:15 |
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| RP | kanavin_home: I would hate to lose the position we've got to! :) | 17:16 |
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| JaMa | kanavin_home: I know py2 isn't supported by oe-core anymore, but shouldn't this: DEPENDS += "python3-cython-native" in .inc file still use ${PYTHON_PN}? | 18:00 |
| JaMa | but on the other hand python-numpy disappeared completely (isn't in meta-python2) and the recipe I'm carrying isn't using this .inc file, so I guess I don't mind and the .inc file could be integrated into the .bb file | 18:03 |
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| kanavin_home | JaMa: numpy explicitly dropped py2 support a while ago | 18:29 |
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| BD24 | Hi can anybody help me with a problem ??? i'm noob at yocto | 18:43 |
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| BD24 | i want to build an image with zeus and i receive following message: Error: Transaction check error: | 18:45 |
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