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| tlwoerner | smurray: RP: sorry, i never meant to imply there was a problem, never mind one that might need any sort of solution | 02:47 |
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| tlwoerner | presumably we use the statistics of the download mirror to track usage and who's still using which branches | 02:48 |
| tlwoerner | but if a significant portion of those downloads are not yocto-related, then any stats would be useless | 02:49 |
| tlwoerner | i would, further, assume that bandwidth isn't free | 02:49 |
| tlwoerner | if other projects figure out there's this amazing mirror out there serving up tarballs of every gnu/linux package known going back decades for free... | 02:50 |
| tlwoerner | i recently tried to use wget to download something from a site and found that it kept failing, yet when i used a browser it would succeed | 02:51 |
| tlwoerner | investigation showed that this side had blocked access based on user-agent, so it made me think that using the same "trick" might be useful if what you're after are meaningful data | 02:52 |
| tlwoerner | from what i can tell, we currently have no way whatsoever to tell if there is any non-yocto usage, so nobody can answer that question | 02:54 |
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| RP | tlwoerner: its something to think about and the bandwidth isn't free, I'm just not aware its a problem right now. Stats are a challenge | 08:42 |
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| smurray | tlwoerner: I think you're overestimating the number of people who'd care to download old source. AFAIK the other significant build from scratch projects have their own mirrors, and distros have package source repos, so it's IMO hard to see imagine any significant non-Yocto use | 13:51 |
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| rangergord | I'm curious, what do you people use for communication between different embedded devices? HTTP? Websocket messaging? Raw TCP? ZMQ? Some broker-based system like RabbitMQ/MQTT? | 15:43 |
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| paulbarker | rangergord: Depends entirely on the application and the use case | 16:51 |
| rangergord | paulbarker, sure, but what's your go-to for stuff for inter-device communication, on a LAN? | 17:00 |
| rangergord | I've used HTTP and raw TCP in the past, looking at messaging libs with multi-language clients right now | 17:01 |
| paulbarker | rangergord: Depends what you're sending, there's no more general answer than that | 17:01 |
| paulbarker | Right now I'm using ssh | 17:02 |
| rangergord | I was talking about communication between daemons on different embedded devices. There's general answers for that, SSH isn't one, unless your idea of IPC is "I'll ssh to the other device and write to a file that the other device then reads" | 17:03 |
| rangergord | Sorry, I assumed it was obvious from the context | 17:04 |
| paulbarker | rangergord: There aren't general answers. One of my clients right now is using a custom UDP protocol, another uses MQTT, both are appropriate for their use case | 17:04 |
| rangergord | there you go. That's 2 approaches you used. | 17:05 |
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| rangergord | Should I have phrased it as "what's your personal preference when multiple approaches work"? | 17:07 |
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| paulbarker | rangergord: I interpreted your question as looking for a universal answer, may have been wrong there | 17:09 |
| paulbarker | It really depends on what guarantees you need, what your data rate is, whether you need encryption, etc | 17:09 |
| paulbarker | And whether you need to interoperate with something else | 17:09 |
| paulbarker | If I was implementing both sides of the link I'd look at protobuf or cap'n proto | 17:10 |
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| khem | RP: gcc10 is your way now ! | 19:46 |
| khem | RP: I have kept defaults to be -fcommon for now, so we can iron out other issues first | 19:46 |
| khem | once all is well, then we can unplug the default setting and use -fno-common since there will be a lot of recipes which will need to be ported I thought its best to serialize the work | 19:47 |
| paulg_ | let the ICE begin! | 19:48 |
| paulg_ | well, it is 10.1 and not 10.0 -- so maybe less ICE and more slush? | 19:52 |
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| khem | yeah | 19:56 |
| khem | I have trickled most of patches already | 19:57 |
| khem | so not expected surprises but tough ones for sure | 19:57 |
| khem | lets see what AB throws at us | 19:57 |
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| khem | already seeing kernel 4.9 build failures but thats BSP problem in core we have 5.x which should work ok | 19:59 |
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| khem | couple of months ago I had world build successful locally with wip gcc recipes at that time but month is a long time | 20:00 |
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| RP | khem: this should be interesting :) | 21:07 |
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| smurray | khem: upgrading my build machine to F32 for use as a potential victim ;) | 21:30 |
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| RP | khem: master-next running with those in | 23:32 |
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