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| khem | RP: I think libical is breaking due to icu update staged in master-next | 00:52 |
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| kanavin_home | RP: adding world to reproducibility test: | 08:24 |
| kanavin_home | 2020-11-10 02:44:59,206 - oe-selftest - INFO - Reproducibility summary for deb: same=11038 different=87 missing=0 total=11125 | 08:24 |
| kanavin_home | 2020-11-10 02:51:20,339 - oe-selftest - INFO - Reproducibility summary for ipk: same=11038 different=87 missing=0 total=11125 | 08:24 |
| rburton | could be worse | 08:25 |
| kanavin_home | 87 is not too bad is it | 08:25 |
| rburton | oe-core world? | 08:25 |
| kanavin_home | yeah | 08:25 |
| kanavin_home | and that's 87 debs, not 87 recipes | 08:26 |
| rburton | got a link for the report? | 08:26 |
| kanavin_home | 2020-11-10 02:44:59,206 - oe-selftest - INFO - Reproducibility summary for deb: same=11038 different=87 missing=0 total=11125 | 08:26 |
| kanavin_home | 2020-11-10 02:51:20,339 - oe-selftest - INFO - Reproducibility summary for ipk: same=11038 different=87 missing=0 total=11125 | 08:26 |
| kanavin_home | 2020-11-10 02:51:36,565 - oe-selftest - INFO - Running diffoscope | 08:26 |
| kanavin_home | 2020-11-10 04:14:56,566 - oe-selftest - INFO - Keepalive message | 08:26 |
| kanavin_home | 2020-11-10 05:38:16,567 - oe-selftest - INFO - Keepalive message | 08:26 |
| kanavin_home | 2020-11-10 07:01:36,567 - oe-selftest - INFO - Keepalive message | 08:26 |
| kanavin_home | 2020-11-10 08:24:56,567 - oe-selftest - INFO - Keepalive message | 08:26 |
| kanavin_home | diffoscope still crunching, no idea when it's going to finish | 08:26 |
| rburton | I wonder if we should drop the rpm/deb/ipk test for the entire recipe space and just do one recipe in rpm/deb/ipk, then world in just one packaging format | 08:27 |
| rburton | have we seen packaging-specific reprod regressions once all the initial problems were fixed? | 08:28 |
| kanavin_home | akanavin@ubuntu1804-ty-3:~/build$ ls repro-world/oe-reproducible-20201109-z46h7z0_/packages/reproducibleA/tmp/deploy/ipk/core2-64/ | 08:29 |
| kanavin_home | acpica-src_20200925-r0_core2-64.ipk go-dep-dev_0.5.4-r0_core2-64.ipk igt-gpu-tools-dbg_1.25+git0+d16ad07e7f-r0_core2-64.ipk libsecret-dev_0.20.4-r0_core2-64.ipk ruby_2.7.2-r0_core2-64.ipk | 08:29 |
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| kanavin_home | cwautomacros_20110201-r0_core2-64.ipk go-dep_0.5.4-r0_core2-64.ipk kea-dbg_1.7.10-r0_core2-64.ipk libswresample3_4.3.1-r0_core2-64.ipk swig-dbg_3.0.12-r0_core2-64.ipk | 08:29 |
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| kanavin_home | dtc-misc_1.6.0-r0_core2-64.ipk go-helloworld-dev_0.1-r0_core2-64.ipk kea_1.7.10-r0_core2-64.ipk llvm-dbg_10.0.1-r0_core2-64.ipk systemd-bootchart-dbg_233+git0+fe1c5e41e6-r0_core2-64.ipk | 08:29 |
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| kanavin_home | dtc_1.6.0-r0_core2-64.ipk go-helloworld_0.1-r0_core2-64.ipk libaprutil-1-dbg_1.6.1-r0_core2-64.ipk llvm_10.0.1-r0_core2-64.ipk vim_8.2-r0_core2-64.ipk | 08:29 |
| kanavin_home | epiphany-dbg_3.38.1-r0_core2-64.ipk go-runtime-dev_1.15.3-r0_core2-64.ipk libaprutil-1-ptest_1.6.1-r0_core2-64.ipk lttng-tools-dbg_2.12.2-r0_core2-64.ipk vulkan-samples-dbg_git-r0_core2-64.ipk | 08:29 |
| kanavin_home | epiphany_3.38.1-r0_core2-64.ipk go-runtime-staticdev_1.15.3-r0_core2-64.ipk libavcodec58_4.3.1-r0_core2-64.ipk lttng-tools-ptest_2.12.2-r0_core2-64.ipk vulkan-samples-dev_git-r0_core2-64.ipk | 08:29 |
| kanavin_home | ffmpeg-dbg_4.3.1-r0_core2-64.ipk go-runtime_1.15.3-r0_core2-64.ipk libavdevice58_4.3.1-r0_core2-64.ipk ovmf-dbg_edk2-stable202008-r0_core2-64.ipk vulkan-samples-src_git-r0_core2-64.ipk | 08:29 |
| kanavin_home | ffmpeg_4.3.1-r0_core2-64.ipk go_1.15.3-r0_core2-64.ipk libavfilter7_4.3.1-r0_core2-64.ipk ovmf-dev_edk2-stable202008-r0_core2-64.ipk vulkan-samples-staticdev_git-r0_core2-64.ipk | 08:29 |
| kanavin_home | gcr-dbg_3.38.0-r0_core2-64.ipk groff-dbg_1.22.4-r0_core2-64.ipk libavformat58_4.3.1-r0_core2-64.ipk ovmf-shell-efi_edk2-stable202008-r0_core2-64.ipk vulkan-samples_git-r0_core2-64.ipk | 08:29 |
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| kanavin_home | rburton: yes, usually during version updates repro test exposes them | 08:29 |
| kanavin_home | or actually, no | 08:30 |
| kanavin_home | there's no rpm based repro test btw, only deb/ipk | 08:30 |
| rburton | oh i thought we did rpm already | 08:30 |
| rburton | might be worth copy/pasting the report into a google drive so multiple people can pick them off one at a time | 08:31 |
| kanavin_home | akanavin@ubuntu1804-ty-3:~/build$ ls repro-world/oe-reproducible-20201109-z46h7z0_/packages/reproducibleA/tmp/deploy/ipk/qemux86_64/ | 08:31 |
| kanavin_home | perf_5.8.13-r9_qemux86_64.ipk | 08:31 |
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| kanavin_home | do we have a ticket for world reproducibility? | 08:33 |
| rburton | not afaik | 08:33 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin_home: i want the above quote out of context... | 08:46 |
| derRichard | when i use "devtool modify" and do a git rebase -i devtool-base, devtool detects re-worded patches only when i change the patch subject. otherwise changed commit messages are not detected. is this in purpose? | 08:57 |
| derRichard | it is also unable to detect changes in patch order :( | 08:58 |
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| bluelightning | derRichard: no that is not on purpose... I suspect something has been broken | 09:10 |
| RP | kanavin_home: that isn't as bad as I expected | 09:10 |
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| derRichard | bluelightning: you mean the reworded case? i fear the reorderung issue is deeply flawed. | 09:11 |
| derRichard | i have some ideas how to improve devtool. what is the right mailinglist to discuss? | 09:12 |
| rburton | derRichard: oe-core | 09:14 |
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| derRichard | thx :) | 09:15 |
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| kanavin_home | RP: the only issue is that diffoscope scales poorly, it has 1G of packages to compare, and still crunching after some 6 hours with no indication where it is now | 09:24 |
| kanavin_home | (half of that is llvm-dbg) | 09:24 |
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| RP | kanavin_home: I suspect it should skip "big" packages, that is more likely the issue | 09:28 |
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| rburton | yeah llvm-dbg webkit-dbg etc are going to be huge | 09:32 |
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| rburton | diffoscope has a lot of options but I can't see "don't dissect files bigger than X if they are different" | 09:34 |
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| rburton | i assume it does a checksum comparison first before pulling the files apart | 09:35 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: send patches :) | 09:36 |
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| shan1 | Hi all once again, asking if someone has an idea or a recipe i can peep into in order to install a python3 wheel based package | 10:03 |
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| Yumasi | Hi ! I am building disk images for x86 using WIC, and I am trying to use bootctl on those (the bootloader is systemd-boot, of course). However, bootctl complains that the ESP does not have the correct type. After looking at the GPT table with fdisk, I found that WIC creates an ESP with the "Microsoft Reserved Data" type, where bootctl expects a type that is "EFI System". Is there a way I can tell | 10:30 |
| Yumasi | WIC to use this partition type instead ? | 10:30 |
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| EmoChicken | Hello | 10:59 |
| EmoChicken | I have Yocto Linux running on arm32 machine. I am connecting to it using SSH (root access) and I would like to be able to figure out (from the shell) if the framebuffer is in the sleep power mode. | 11:00 |
| EmoChicken | I have naively tried "cat /sys/class/graphics/fb0/blank" however it returns nothing... any idea how to figure out the state of framebuffer over ssh? | 11:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | EmoChicken: this is neither arm nor ssh related at al, probably more if the specific fb driver actually exports that information. look at the driver if it has/provides such, and then trace the information to userspace. it might even include ioctl'ing on /dev/fb0... | 11:06 |
| LetoThe2nd | EmoChicken: depending on the specific HW it might even require traing the power/backlight controls of the fb, so be sure to also look at the DT | 11:09 |
| EmoChicken | LetoThe2nd: I am able to read the actual content of fb0 (bit array of OLED screen) using cat, however I have no idea how to figure out if it is in the sleep mode. I am also using the device as a "user" so I do not support the OS and I might not have the information about the drivers :( TBH i don't even understand it at this low level | 11:12 |
| EmoChicken | I am writing something like a "remote control" for our IoT device... part of that is to show the content of OLED screen (that works) but I am missing the information about "screen saver mode" | 11:14 |
| LetoThe2nd | EmoChicken: then i'd say, its time to get in touch with your HW/OS vendor. | 11:16 |
| LetoThe2nd | EmoChicken: as it really "depends" (TM) | 11:17 |
| EmoChicken | LetoThe2nd: I guess I will. Ok, thanks. | 11:17 |
| LetoThe2nd | EmoChicken: concerning the ioctl possibility, look at https://elixir.free-electrons.com/linux/latest/source/include/uapi/linux/fb.h also | 11:18 |
| EmoChicken | LetoThe2nd: ok, thanks | 11:19 |
| * LetoThe2nd lunches out | 11:19 | |
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| jmiehe | Hey! I want bitbake to build the same target for multiple machines, automatically. Currently, I have build/conf/machine1.conf and build/conf/machine2.conf and call bitbake twice, with each -R flag. It works, but is it … correct? | 13:11 |
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| paulbarker | jmiehe: You could try using multiconfig there. http://docs.yoctoproject.org/dev-manual/dev-manual-common-tasks.html?highlight=multiconfig#building-images-for-multiple-targets-using-multiple-configurations | 13:30 |
| jmiehe | paulbarker: thanks for the link, also I just found out about BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE and how MACHINE is a part of it by my default env. so I can ditch the confs and call "MACHINE=foo bitbake bar" :) | 13:31 |
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| Ad0 | argh ENABLE_UART forces uart console in config.txt | 13:46 |
| Ad0 | SERIAL = "${@oe.utils.conditional("ENABLE_UART", "1", "console=serial0,115200", "", d)}" | 13:46 |
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| Ad0 | I guess my machine conf is executed before meta-raspberrypi/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-raspberrypi.inc | 13:49 |
| qschulz | Ad0: of course, it's a configuration file | 13:49 |
| Ad0 | yeah | 13:50 |
| Ad0 | so the inc file for raspberry just sets the SERIAL | 13:50 |
| Ad0 | I have to override the entire CMDLINE variable | 13:51 |
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| qschulz | Ad0: what are you trying to achieve? | 14:01 |
| Ad0 | not make it enable serial console | 14:01 |
| Ad0 | hehe | 14:01 |
| Ad0 | I have survived till now by just mounting it and editing the file but it's annoying | 14:01 |
| Ad0 | ENABLE_UART does other things as well | 14:02 |
| Ad0 | putting enable_uart into the config.txt and I actually want that I suppose | 14:02 |
| Ad0 | so since SERIAL is not ?= but = , then I would need to override CMDLINE which is ?= | 14:02 |
| qschulz | Ad0: create a new machine based on the raspberrypi one | 14:02 |
| Ad0 | I did | 14:03 |
| Ad0 | I just needed to find what variable that I could actually override :D | 14:03 |
| qschulz | Ad0: it does not matter if SERIAL is loosely set or not | 14:03 |
| qschulz | you can always override it later on | 14:04 |
| Ad0 | really | 14:04 |
| qschulz | the variables are expanded after they have been all parsed (except if there is a := somewhere) | 14:04 |
| Ad0 | https://github.com/agherzan/meta-raspberrypi/blob/master/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-raspberrypi.inc#L29 | 14:04 |
| Ad0 | when that file loads won't it just overwrite what I set ? | 14:05 |
| qschulz | that's my recollection, but if I'm wrong, I can already tell you what I said will be corrected :) | 14:05 |
| qschulz | Ad0: it will, just set SERIAL after this file has been included? | 14:05 |
| Ad0 | look on line 30 | 14:06 |
| Ad0 | it uses it immediately | 14:06 |
| qschulz | Ad0: no it does not | 14:06 |
| qschulz | because it's not := | 14:06 |
| Ad0 | CMDLINE ?= "dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 ${SERIAL} root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait" | 14:06 |
| jmiehe | paulbarker: oh, multiconfig is like 200% cleaner, thanks! <3 | 14:07 |
| qschulz | it still does not | 14:07 |
| Ad0 | won't it set CMDLINE if it's not set from befor? | 14:07 |
| qschulz | it "references" it | 14:07 |
| qschulz | 15:04:29 qschulz | the variables are expanded after they have been all parsed (except if there is a := somewhere) | 14:07 |
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| clementp[m] | paulbarker: thank you :) | 14:08 |
| Ad0 | I see they are expanded not at that point | 14:08 |
| Ad0 | I need to "get it" right before they are used then | 14:08 |
| Ad0 | get in* | 14:08 |
| qschulz | Ad0: just set SERIAL in a bbappend | 14:09 |
| qschulz | or whatever you actually want to modify :) | 14:11 |
| Ad0 | hehe I already have linux-raspberrypi bbappend actually | 14:11 |
| Ad0 | but I feel that the vars are scattered all over the place and I have to remember them | 14:11 |
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| Ad0 | so setting SERIAL = "null" in linux-raspberrypi_%.bbappend would do it then ?= | 14:12 |
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| qschulz | SERIAL = "" I'd say? | 14:13 |
| Ad0 | yeah | 14:16 |
| Ad0 | you can say anything really | 14:16 |
| Ad0 | was just a bit scared that "" would fall back to /dev/serial0 or something :D | 14:16 |
| Ad0 | SERIAL = "console=" | 14:16 |
| Ad0 | I could also define my own variable like FORCE_SERIAL in my machine conf and have logic for it in the bbappend but | 14:18 |
| jmiehe | set up multiconfig, got: »ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'mc:foo:core-image-minimal'. Close matches: core-image-minimal, core-image-minimal-dev« | 14:19 |
| jmiehe | I have BBMULTICONFIG = "foo bar" in my local.conf | 14:21 |
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| Ad0 | jmiehe, what's your dir structure like ? | 14:26 |
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| Ad0 | local.conf , multiconfig -> foo.conf, bar.conf | 14:27 |
| jmiehe | Ad0: yes | 14:27 |
| jmiehe | foo.conf contains only override values for local.conf, right? | 14:28 |
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| Ad0 | that I don't know | 14:30 |
| Ad0 | why do you want to use it ? :) | 14:30 |
| Ad0 | "You need to create a single configuration file for each build target (each multiconfig). Minimally, each configuration file must define the machine and the temporary directory BitBake uses for the build. " | 14:32 |
| Ad0 | seems like there is no inheritance? | 14:32 |
| jmiehe | foo.conf and bar.conf contain different MACHINE values for which the build config differs by a tiny bit. | 14:32 |
| Ad0 | ok | 14:33 |
| jmiehe | hm … then it's back to --postread them on bitbake call | 14:33 |
| Ad0 | what I did was to actually make my own layer, and specify the machines and go that route | 14:33 |
| Ad0 | if you intend to share your project with others local.conf route is not recommended I think | 14:33 |
| Ad0 | since you mix local and common settings | 14:34 |
| kanavin_home | rburton: I put diffoscope out of its misery, I will address the biggest (size wise) repro fails, then try again to get a report on the rest | 14:34 |
| jmiehe | Ad0: reasonable | 14:35 |
| jmiehe | Ad0: can I inherit a machine config from another layer for that purpose? | 14:37 |
| qschulz | jmiehe: rule of thumb: if you need to version/share local.conf, you're doing it wrong. | 14:38 |
| qschulz | jmiehe: in that case, you need to either create a new machine, or a new distro :) | 14:38 |
| Ad0 | I started out with local config since A LOT of the tutorials only uses it | 14:38 |
| qschulz | Ad0: that's "fine", but once you need to share your work, can't use it anymore :) | 14:38 |
| Ad0 | yeah haha | 14:39 |
| jmiehe | qschulz: I'm not, I'm building from scratch in a CI environment | 14:39 |
| Ad0 | jmiehe, I duplicated my machine | 14:39 |
| qschulz | jmiehe: you can require/include anything by using relative paths from any layer's root (say you have meta-rpi/recipes-kernel/kernel/linux-raspberry.inc, you require recipes-kernel/kernel/linux-raspberry.inc) | 14:40 |
| Ad0 | not sure if you can require / include other machine.conf | 14:40 |
| qschulz | of course you can :) | 14:41 |
| jmiehe | So I have meta-vendor/conf/machine/machine-foo.conf and want to inherit from meta-custom/conf/machine/machine-foo-custom.conf … | 14:41 |
| jmiehe | I'd "require ../../../meta-vendor/conf/machine/machine-foo.conf"? eew | 14:42 |
| Ad0 | require conf/machine-foo.conf | 14:42 |
| Ad0 | err conf/machine/machine-foo.conf | 14:42 |
| jmiehe | All conf/ folders are mashed together? | 14:43 |
| Ad0 | yes | 14:43 |
| Ad0 | you have #@TYPE: Machine | 14:43 |
| Ad0 | etc and then require the machine you want to inherit from | 14:43 |
| Ad0 | especially working on CI I would immediately start working on my own layer with machines etc | 14:45 |
| jmiehe | We have multiple layers already | 14:49 |
| jmiehe | just no custom machines defined yet … it's all scripted :^) | 14:50 |
| jmiehe | That's why I'm cleaning up :^) | 14:50 |
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| JPEW | I just posted some patches to bitbake-devel to enable hiearchal hash equivalence servers. I can't remember who all was interested in that, but I'd appreciate some feedback :) | 15:00 |
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| wyre | what does mean this? https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/ref-system-requirements.html#supported-linux-distributions | 15:13 |
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| wyre | are those the distributions where you can build yocto? | 15:13 |
| wyre | I mean, are those the supported distributions to build yocto proeject? | 15:13 |
| qschulz | wyre: yes? | 15:14 |
| qschulz | wyre: anything else you're probably on your own | 15:14 |
| qschulz | wyre: note that you should check on the manuals of your yocto revision to know which ones are supported | 15:14 |
| rburton | other distros probably work, but those are the ones that are tested | 15:15 |
| wyre | but just for building process, right? | 15:15 |
| wyre | did someone tried on ArchLinux? | 15:15 |
| rburton | of course | 15:15 |
| rburton | yeah, it breaks all the time | 15:15 |
| qschulz | wyre: just use pyrex or crops for building with containers if you're on archlinux | 15:16 |
| rburton | arch linux aggressively upgrades, so breaks the build fairly often | 15:16 |
| wyre | rburton, oh, 😞 | 15:16 |
| rburton | or, use arch, and send fixes :) | 15:16 |
| jmiehe | So if I do 'require conf/machine/machine-foo.conf' in 'meta-custom/conf/machine/machine-foo-custom.conf', which has '#@NAME: machine-foo-custom', it errors out with »Nothing PROVIDES 'virtual/kernel': linux-vanilla PROVIDES virtual/kernel but was skipped: incompatible with machine machine-foo-custom (not in COMPATIBLE_MACHINE), …« | 15:16 |
| jmiehe | This is a rabbit hole. | 15:16 |
| wyre | qschulz, I didn't know about pyrex or crops | 15:16 |
| rburton | jmiehe: add machine-foo to overrides in machine-foo-custom | 15:16 |
| wyre | pyrx do you mean? | 15:17 |
| jmiehe | where's the docs for machine configs anyway? | 15:17 |
| rburton | jmiehe: MACHINEOVERRIDES =. "machine-foo:" is the magic | 15:18 |
| rburton | basically "this machine is also this other machine" | 15:18 |
| rburton | wyre: lots of people use arch, they either use a container running something more stable, or live with the fact that they might be the first person to discover that eg a binutils upgrade in arch breaks the build | 15:19 |
| jmiehe | rburton: what's =. again? | 15:19 |
| rburton | jmiehe: += without whitespace | 15:19 |
| kergoth | wyre: https://github.com/garmin/pyrex | 15:19 |
| rburton | well, its prepend without whitespace | 15:19 |
| qschulz | jmiehe: and IIRC, it should be put before any include/require in your machine configuration file | 15:19 |
| wyre | kergoth, what about crops? | 15:21 |
| kergoth | https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=yocto%20%22crops%22 :) i don't have as much expereince with that one, sorry | 15:22 |
| dleppich | wyre: I'm one of the Arch Linux users here and also started using CROPS, due to weird errors I got when trying things natively | 15:26 |
| wyre | dleppich, and how is going using CROPS? | 15:27 |
| wyre | can you provide me more info? (about crops, I mean, official docu or a github link) | 15:27 |
| dleppich | wyre: It is a docker container image. Github (https://github.com/crops/poky-container). In this wiki (https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/TipsAndTricks/CropsCLIContainers) there is a hint at the end how to run it (the command with the $(pwd)). | 15:29 |
| dleppich | wyre: All you have to do is to start in the docker container before using all the commands (e.g. bitbake). When the shell is opened, you proceed as if you were working natively on your own machine) | 15:30 |
| jmiehe | rburton, qschulz: thank you! | 15:31 |
| wyre | dleppich, so it's a docker container with a specific setup for yocto building process? | 15:31 |
| kergoth | wyre: https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/mega-manual/mega-manual.html#setting-up-to-use-crops as well | 15:31 |
| rburton | base distro + the build requirements | 15:31 |
| dleppich | wyre: Yes. It is a ubuntu based image with all build dependencies installed. It also has some nice features like setting the user and group id's of the docker user to the correct values, so that files created inside the container are correctly owned outside of the container | 15:32 |
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| wyre | dleppich, so I guess you have not problems anymore 😄 | 15:36 |
| dleppich | wyre: At least no architecture or machine specific problems. I'm still quite new to the Yocto project and asking stupid questions from time to time. But using CROPS made me a happier adventurer :D | 15:37 |
| wyre | awesome 😊 | 15:38 |
| wyre | I'm gonna try it, probably I will be also here asking stupid things in a while, hehe | 15:38 |
| dleppich | wyre: I started using CROPS when I was asked multiple times if I'm using Arch Linux accidentally after asking a question about one of my issues here | 15:39 |
| wyre | oh, I see | 15:39 |
| dleppich | But the guys in this channel are super friendly and always helped me out :) Never met such a great community before! | 15:40 |
| wyre | oh, that's fantastic hehe | 15:44 |
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| qschulz | dleppich: there are probably non-guys here too :) but happy to see you like the community, I agree with you :) | 15:49 |
| wyre | what are those all container for? https://hub.docker.com/u/crops/ | 15:53 |
| wyre | I mean, what's the difference between crops/poky and crops/yocto for example? | 15:54 |
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| dleppich | qschulz: Yeah, you are totally right. As a non-native english speaker I thought that "guys" would include all genders. Sorry :) | 16:17 |
| tlwoerner | JPEW: what's the tool you were mentioning for docs building? "pipen nv" or something? | 16:20 |
| JPEW | tlwoerner: pipenv | 16:20 |
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| tlwoerner | thanks | 16:20 |
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| rburton | sakoman: fyi, just found a gcc patch i failed to backport to dunfell hope to send this week | 16:37 |
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| sakoman | rburton: I'll watch for it! | 16:38 |
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| * mcfrisk dives into a rabbit hole, to remove python2. wondering how far this goes, and will I be sane afterwards.. | 16:54 | |
| armpit | you might find Alice | 16:55 |
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| mcfrisk | will say hi :) | 16:57 |
| neverpanic | mcfrisk: good luck! | 16:57 |
| mcfrisk | neverpanic: I'll drag you along... | 16:57 |
| neverpanic | mcfrisk: hope you're not doing that for the old platform? | 16:58 |
| mcfrisk | neverpanic: I'm not that crazy, yet.. | 16:58 |
| neverpanic | mcfrisk: there shouldn't be any dragging required for us, then. | 16:59 |
| rburton | does anyone use cmake with in-tree builds? | 16:59 |
| mcfrisk | neverpanic: hahaa, good one. check your inbox for newly created tickets... | 16:59 |
| neverpanic | :( | 17:02 |
| neverpanic | rburton: I've seen software fail to build out-of-source with CMake, yes. Not in Yocto, but in other packaging systems, for example doxygen was affected. | 17:03 |
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| rewitt | wyre: crops/poky will dynamically create a user/group for you that matches the workdir. crops/yocto will whatever the default uid:gid the distro uses when creating a user, usually 1000:1000. crops/poky uses crops/yocto, but just does a bit more to try and make it easier to use/experiment. | 18:22 |
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| wyre | rewitt, you mean will create in my system a user/group? | 18:26 |
| wyre | or in the docker container itself? | 18:26 |
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| rewitt | in the container | 18:30 |
| rewitt | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXHLAWveh7Y&list=PLbzoR-pLrL6pSlkQDW7RpnNLuxPq6WVUR&index=56 if you have spare time to listen to me ramble | 18:31 |
| rewitt | I tried to do the talk for someone that may have little to no docker/container experience | 18:32 |
| rewitt | wyre: ^ | 18:32 |
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| JPEW | wyre: There is also https://github.com/garmin/pyrex if you want to try something else. It's a little more "seamless" than crops | 18:37 |
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| kergoth | that's why i use pyrex. essentially transparent once set up, doesn't impact the development workflow | 18:37 |
| rewitt | I won't advocate for one over the other, because all the times I | 18:40 |
| rewitt | I've tried to start thinking about consolidating, people yelled at me :) | 18:40 |
| kergoth | ha. i think it depends on your requirements, really. I can see an argument to use a simpler setup without pyrex for CI jobs, for example, but pyrex for day to day engineering work, perhaps | 18:41 |
| khem | kergoth: IMO CI and dev env should be same for best results | 18:43 |
| kergoth | fair point, otherwise you could get differences in behavior | 18:43 |
| rewitt | kergoth: Right, that's what I've always thought, until I need to run devtool, or devshell and those things. I just hate not being able to point to THE solution. | 18:43 |
| kergoth | pyrex does wrap devtool and the other scripts of that sort. devshell works too as long as you don't mind tmux or screen :) | 18:44 |
| rewitt | kergoth: I live in tmux and mosh so it works for me. Does pyrex work with runqemu and serial? | 18:50 |
| kergoth | there's no real need to use runqemu inside the container when you can run it just as well outside the container. it uses the pyrex bitbake wrapper to query the metadata it needs if it needs it | 18:50 |
| * kergoth shrugs | 18:51 | |
| JPEW | rewitt: Ya, it should. It actually bypasses runqemu and lets your run it locally (instead of inside the container) | 18:51 |
| JPEW | rewitt: Which works because of the magic of uninative ;) | 18:51 |
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| rewitt | rewitt: Yeah, I guess crops is mostly for CI people who don't want the setup parts of pyrex. I do know of users who will run "docker run crops/poky some_other_command_other_than_bash_or_bitbake" | 18:55 |
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| rewitt | JPEW: I suppose if two different tools serves a purpose there is no harm in having two. But perhaps consolidating some of the dynamic user/group creation might be worth investigating. | 18:56 |
| kergoth | pyrex can wrap any command you want it to, within reason. there's a config file. you can also use pyrex-shell to run arbitrary commands. i use the latter to rsync files out of the volume in the case where i'm building on a host with case insensitive workspace, i.e. on macos | 18:57 |
| rewitt | It's funny because pyrex behaves a lot like what I had intended when I first made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXHLAWveh7Y&list=PLbzoR-pLrL6pSlkQDW7RpnNLuxPq6WVUR&index=56. i.e. The container starts and then exits | 18:59 |
| rewitt | Ugh wrong link, https://github.com/crops/yocto-dockerfiles/blob/master/helpers/runbitbake.py | 18:59 |
| rewitt | And I remember, at the time I was like "I don't want the user to have to do any setup other than install docker", but I don't think that's necessarily a rarity anymore. :) | 19:01 |
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| wyre | ty rewitt 😄 | 19:23 |
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| wyre | but I don't get why do you say pyrex is more transparent than crops once set up 🤔 | 19:39 |
| kergoth | it automatically creates wrapper scripts to run the tools in the container without having to do anything else. 'bitbake' runs bitbake in the container, etc | 19:40 |
| kergoth | no special setup, no change in your workflow, other than using the pyrex setup script | 19:40 |
| kergoth | that is, you don' thave to 'enter' the container and use vim, etc in there, or use your own wrapper functions or anything special. you can use your host development tooling and use the wrappers to only run the build inside | 19:41 |
| kergoth | doing that with crops is workable, it's just less automatic and transparent | 19:41 |
| kergoth | I used to use my own wrapper scripts with a crops container, for example | 19:41 |
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| wyre | kergoth, I love vim | 19:51 |
| wyre | I think I must read more about pyrex workflow | 19:53 |
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| rewitt | wyre: Just to be clear, you don't have to use vim in the container, you can still access all the files on the host system using vim in a different terminal. The difference is really with crops, I will have two terminals open, one for running bitbake, and one for running every other command. Whereas with pyrex you wouldn't have to do that. | 19:56 |
| wyre | rewitt, I guess when you run bitbake you are starting a new building process, right¿ | 19:57 |
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| rewitt | wyre: Yes, or one of the other things bitbake will do such as show you the values of variables in the metadata. | 20:19 |
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| kiwi_29 | hello...what is the difference between Yocto ADT and (e)SDK . Both seem to be providing the same solution | 21:17 |
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| JPEW | rewitt: Ya, some of the stuff Pyrex has to do for the user/group parts are... interesting :) | 21:42 |
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| rburton | kiwi_29: ADT is a precursor to the SDK and is *just* the compiler+tools. a SDK for an image is compiler, tools, and the libraries/headers for that image | 21:51 |
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| kiwi_29 | thanks rburton then probably SDK is the one which everybody would use...no? what use is adt then ? because target sysroot which contains headers and libs (assuming sdk provides sysroot and not adt) is needed for writing apps that run on target . | 22:18 |
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| rburton | kiwi_29: correct, nobody should be using the ADT unless they have special needs | 22:50 |
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