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| khem | you can bundle tradition SDK/ADT with eSDK too which is nice for transitioning | 02:24 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 07:37 |
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| mckoan | good morning LetoThe2nd, everybody | 07:48 |
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| wyre | what's the difference between these three options? https://github.com/crops/docker-win-mac-docs/wiki | 09:21 |
| wyre | poky, extensible SDK and toaster? | 09:21 |
| LetoThe2nd | wyre: poky is a classic full build structure with cli interface. | 09:22 |
| LetoThe2nd | wyre: esdk is an sdk environment (on steroids) targetted at a specific machine/distro/image triplet. | 09:22 |
| LetoThe2nd | wyre: toaster is a full build structure with web interface. | 09:23 |
| wyre | and what triplet are poky or toaster based on? | 09:24 |
| LetoThe2nd | none, they are universal | 09:24 |
| LetoThe2nd | may i recommend looking at some introductory material? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD4M5FoHz-TxMfBFrDKfIS_GLY25Qsfyj | 09:25 |
| wyre | so you mean esdk is for building yocto for an specific triplet? | 09:25 |
| LetoThe2nd | there is also an episode which shows build vs. sdk vs. esdk | 09:25 |
| wyre | of course, thank you LetoThe2nd 😄 | 09:25 |
| LetoThe2nd | (e)sdk means, it is a kit that can be used to develop hardware for a specific target (the mentioned triplet). as opposed to a full build where you can define the target. | 09:26 |
| wyre | LetoThe2nd, to develop hardware? 🤔 | 09:27 |
| LetoThe2nd | i wrote: "a specific target (the mentioned triplet)" | 09:27 |
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| wyre | why I'm getting still the same output for 'uname -a' inside poky container? 🤔 | 09:45 |
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| dleppich | wyre: Because the poky container still uses your real kernel (as far as I know). You are isolated in terms of filesystem and so on, but not in the kernel | 09:46 |
| LetoThe2nd | wyre: because containers share the kernel. in a nutshell | 09:46 |
| wyre | oh, I see | 09:46 |
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| paulbarker | While nowhere is open due to coronavirus restrictions here I decided to keep myself busy by sharing some of my Yocto Project hacking sessions | 10:28 |
| paulbarker | The first video shows the process of creating & debugging a couple of recipes for applications written in Rust: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5UPFo4JiTs | 10:28 |
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| paulbarker | I won't be spamming the videos on here often so subscribe over there if you want to see more :) | 10:29 |
| qschulz | paulbarker: LetoThe2nd will be sad you didn't contact him to do some Twitch session and advertise it properly :p | 10:31 |
| LetoThe2nd | huh what, already busy preparing advertisement tweet for paulbarker | 10:31 |
| paulbarker | Live streaming on twitch doesn't really fit how I'm planning to work on these | 10:31 |
| qschulz | paulbarker: I was just joking, it's nice to see different learning supports :) thx for publishing it! | 10:32 |
| paulbarker | I want to be able to edit out long build times or combine a couple of shorter hacking sessions into a single video where it makes sense | 10:32 |
| LetoThe2nd | editing is work. | 10:36 |
| * LetoThe2nd doesn't like. | 10:36 | |
| LetoThe2nd | reminds me i need to do the announcement video for the upcoming sessino | 10:37 |
| paulbarker | Editing definitely adds some work but I don't mind it at the moment | 10:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | if there is one thing that i am extremely short on these days, then its spare time for things like that. | 10:38 |
| paulbarker | I've ended up with a little more spare time, no pubs open and no live music so needed something new to learn | 10:39 |
| LetoThe2nd | yeah, different life situation altogether. | 10:40 |
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| frosteyes | Hi Folks. I am working on a recipe for a SDK, where I could use some hints for how you would do it. | 11:00 |
| frosteyes | Notice the idea is to use yocto for releasing the SDK, as it need to be cross compiled to ARM, to a number of yocto versions. | 11:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | frosteyes: the SDK is meant to *target* arm, or the SDK is mean to *run* *on* ARM? | 11:01 |
| frosteyes | For x64 it is compiled using clang / cpp on a normal ubuntu with the following commands. | 11:02 |
| frosteyes | cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug && cmake --build . --target LinuxTargets --config Debug | 11:02 |
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| frosteyes | cmake -DBUILD_TYPE=Debug -DCOMPONENT=Cpp -P cmake_install.cmake | 11:02 |
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| frosteyes | LetoThe2nd: the release is normal a zip file for windows or tar.gz file for linux | 11:04 |
| frosteyes | So if possible, make yocto create a "custom" tar.gz beside the rpm | 11:05 |
| LetoThe2nd | frosteyes: i'm not sure that i understand you. | 11:05 |
| frosteyes | Will elaborate :) | 11:06 |
| frosteyes | The SDK targets windows (x64), Linux (X64 and arm64), iOS (arm64). | 11:08 |
| frosteyes | As customers for arm64 is using yocto (And I have yocto expericence from our firmware), I am looking into letting yocto do the cross compilation.. | 11:09 |
| frosteyes | (Target is later to deliver the SDK for the customers using yocto with a recipe, so it handles dependencies etc). | 11:10 |
| frosteyes | The --target part for build is handled by OECMAKE_TARGET_COMPILE = "LinuxTargets" | 11:10 |
| frosteyes | in the recipe, but what about the -DCOMPONENT part for the install | 11:11 |
| frosteyes | cmake -DBUILD_TYPE=Debug -DCOMPONENT=Cpp -P cmake_install.cmake | 11:11 |
| frosteyes | I was thinking on abusing OECMAKE_TARGET_INSTALL with something like OECMAKE_TARGET_INSTALL = "install -DCOMPONENT=Cpp" | 11:11 |
| frosteyes | But it does not work - as the install command is with "cmake --build ... --target install" | 11:13 |
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| frosteyes | The easist is properly just to do a custom do_install | 11:18 |
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| koty0f | Hello. I would like to ask for help with removing file `machine-id` from my default etc image. I tried to localize which package adds this file into rootfs but I couldn't find it. I tried to use ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND in my image.bb. It apperantly fires the function, but `machine-id` is still there. The rason I want to delete the file is that I have systemd service with `ConditionFirstBoot=true`. | 13:18 |
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| erbo | koty0f: are you using read-only rootfs? If so it seems that file is created using ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND too, so if your deletion is run after the creation it should work I guess. | 13:32 |
| erbo | How did you add your command to ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND ? | 13:32 |
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| qschulz | koty0f: use oe-pkgdata-util find-path /path/to/file to find which package provides the file | 13:39 |
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| kanavin_home | RP: I have a question about reproducibility of -native items. When I run diff -uNr reproducibleA/tmp/sysroots-components/x86_64/ reproducibleB/tmp/sysroots-components/x86_64/ on the directory that the reproducible test leaves behind, I get a ton of lines like | 13:52 |
| kanavin_home | Binary files reproducibleA/tmp/sysroots-components/x86_64/binutils-cross-x86_64/usr/bin/x86_64-poky-linux/x86_64-poky-linux-ld and reproducibleB/tmp/sysroots-components/x86_64/binutils-cross-x86_64/usr/bin/x86_64-poky-linux/x86_64-poky-linux-ld differ | 13:52 |
| kanavin_home | Does it matter? | 13:52 |
| RP | kanavin_home: I'm not sure we've ever tested native reproducibility | 13:53 |
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| RP | kanavin_home: target is of much more interest | 13:54 |
| RP | kanavin_home: the relocation of the binaries would cause problems for the test so I think we'd have to do something trickier with the test | 13:54 |
| kanavin_home | RP: the native binaries seem to have paths encoded in them, e.g. for the linker above, if I run strings on both binaries, and compare the output, I see lots of things like: | 13:55 |
| kanavin_home | -/home/akanavin/build-st/reproducibleA/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/binutils-cross-x86_64/2.35-r0/recipe-sysroot-native/usr/lib/x86_64-poky-linux/debug | 13:55 |
| kanavin_home | +/home/akanavin/build-st/reproducibleB/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/binutils-cross-x86_64/2.35-r0/recipe-sysroot-native/usr/lib/x86_64-poky-linux/debug | 13:55 |
| kanavin_home | RP: I just started to fix a few of the bigger items in target world repro failures, and had to pause and think if -native matters :) | 13:55 |
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| kanavin_home | wanted to confirm that it doesn't | 13:56 |
| RP | kanavin_home: its something we need to look at but shouldn't affect what we're doing for world. The loader paths for example will always differ for native. We might not be passing the right path relocation things for debug symbol relocation in native | 13:56 |
| RP | kanavin_home: thinking about it, host gcc version will matter a lot too | 13:57 |
| RP | i.e. this will never work on the autobuilder | 13:58 |
| kanavin_home | RP: right, I was just wondering if native reproducibility has a larger effect on hash equiv, than e.g. something like piglit or webkit, which almost nothing depends on | 13:58 |
| RP | kanavin_home: hashequiv is why we should try and improve it | 13:58 |
| koty0f | erbo: No the rootfs should be rw. Here is the recipe https://pastebin.com/raw/GiB35nBw. I also tried to comment out lines from `oe-core/meta/classes/rootfs-postcommands.bbclass` just to try if it will change anything. | 14:00 |
| koty0f | qschulz: ERROR: Unable to find any package producing path /etc/machine-id | 14:01 |
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| qschulz | koty0f: then the only possible explanation would be that the image recipe is creating it somehow (as my wild guess is that it's not outputting packages in Yocto?) | 14:03 |
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| qschulz | koty0f: a small git grepo tells me systemd-conf is doing it. Have you cleaned the tmpdir before running oe-pkgdata-util? I seem to recall you need a valid tmpdir for it to work? | 14:07 |
| erbo | seems like the systemctl used for image construction can create machine-id, see poky/meta/recipes-core/systemd/systemd-systemctl/systemctl | 14:08 |
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| christner | smurray: I swapped BASELIB like you suggested, the sdk works correctly on the native machine now, but I get a kernel panic during boot on the target. Still trying to track down whats going wrong there. | 14:28 |
| smurray | christner: heh, I'm hoping that's unrelated | 14:30 |
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| JPEW | sgw: The QMP spec says that lines have to be terminated with CR_LF: I wonder if thats what's messing up your communication | 14:37 |
| sgw | Morning gang! | 14:54 |
| JPEW | sgw: Morning | 14:55 |
| * LetoThe2nd ponders gang programming sgw | 14:55 | |
| sgw | JPEW: this initial releasing of qemu via the same commands | 14:56 |
| sgw | and seems to work | 14:56 |
| JPEW | More than one command? | 14:56 |
| sgw | LetoThe2nd: you can gang up on me if you want, I will gladly accept help | 14:56 |
| sgw | JPEW: sequential commands similar to the way dump monitor works dump_monitor | 14:57 |
| JPEW | sgw: Hmm, odd. I would recommend letting python encode the JSON as I said in the email | 14:57 |
| sgw | I had not read email yet been in meetings this morning | 14:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | sgw: i'll ask down in mfg if they can spare some of their old gear. i'm surprised that you like it, but hey... https://www.ebay.de/itm/TEXAS-INSTRUMENTS-MSP430-Gang-Programmer-MSP-GANG430-C6/153918662997?hash=item23d6446955:g:CnEAAOSwyd1er8tI | 14:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | </SCNR> | 14:58 |
| sgw | hehe | 14:59 |
| JPEW | sgw: That's fair, I just sent it a few minutes ago :) | 14:59 |
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| sgw | JPEW: I will dig into that change later today or in the week, that was part of my thought process (using the Python JSON object) | 15:29 |
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| JPEW | sgw: Ya. JSON is a good interchange format, but it's not for humans... it's just to hard to write correctly by hand | 15:32 |
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| sgw | Yeah, I just need to spend some time learning about it. This monitor has been a fun re-introduction to bitbake and YP! | 15:33 |
| RP | zeddii: kanavin_home: please don't start any builds on the autobuilder in the next few hours | 15:33 |
| LetoThe2nd | how comes that in the first time in my life i now mentally picture zeddii and kanavin_home sitting in front of some machine that automatically builds tiny little toy houses? | 15:35 |
| Ad0 | is there a way to have add a global environment variable visible to everyone? | 15:45 |
| Ad0 | into the OS image that is | 15:46 |
| zeddii | ack'd | 15:48 |
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| JPEW | Ad0: Would it work to add it to /etc/profile? | 15:48 |
| Ad0 | good question | 15:49 |
| Ad0 | will systemd respect that for example=? | 15:49 |
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| JPEW | Ad0: I don't think so | 15:49 |
| Ad0 | things like docker has to know about it to pass it on to the containers | 15:50 |
| Ad0 | docker is started via systemd | 15:50 |
| Ad0 | maybe I can put the same var into both systemd base configs AND profile | 15:50 |
| Ad0 | Windows has a system-wide environment | 15:51 |
| kanavin_home | RP: can I run private builds over ssh? | 15:53 |
| kanavin_home | e.g. command line stuff under my own account | 15:54 |
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| RP | kanavin_home: yes | 16:01 |
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| kanavin_home | RP: I am digging deeper and deeper into go's non-reproducibility :) | 16:03 |
| RP | kanavin_home: sounds like fun. I'm wrestling buildbot :/ | 16:05 |
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| khem | RP: I started one. should I cancel it ? or you can cancel it | 16:08 |
| RP | khem: I'll sort. That explains a few things :/ | 16:09 |
| khem | I can wait. cancel it | 16:10 |
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| bluelightning | ross / RP: any concerns / comments on Luca's dbus split patch? https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-core/message/144190?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,dbus,20,2,0,77989696 | 17:02 |
| Ad0 | environment var is probably the wrong way too, I just need a way to identify 2 versions of the hardware, so I can put some file there on the fs for each device type or probe for devices that aren't on the other, or if there is some standard way in yocto to tag that kind of variables | 17:02 |
| rburton | bluelightning: -tools would normally be -bin, surely | 17:03 |
| rburton | i guess there's multiple candidates for bins | 17:04 |
| RP | bluelightning: I was going to ask and defer to rburton | 17:04 |
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| bluelightning | rburton: we're not consistent, I see -tools in some recipes too | 17:09 |
| bluelightning | but we could of course start with this change if we want to standardise on -bin | 17:09 |
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| rburton | just an observation | 17:10 |
| rburton | its not all binaries, so tools is arguably better | 17:10 |
| * RP wishes he could figure out "simple" buildbot stuff | 17:11 | |
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| khem | some recipes now depend on fortran support but we do not enable it by default in gcc I wonder if it makes sense to have a global metadata knob to define supported language runtimes from gcc | 17:24 |
| rburton | what's the build overhead of enabling fortran in gcc-cross | 17:25 |
| rburton | might be worth just enabling by default | 17:25 |
| rburton | but yes, i'd say a PACKAGECONFIG for the languages toggle would be sensible :) | 17:26 |
| khem | yeah overhead is low, since its all about building libgfortran | 17:30 |
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| rburton | i say lets just enable it by default | 17:30 |
| rburton | at least that will stop the periodic mails about making it work | 17:30 |
| khem | true, me picks the chain saw | 17:31 |
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| paulg | be a good redneck, pick the right viscosity bar oil... | 17:45 |
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| RP | khem: do we really want to encourage fortran? | 17:50 |
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| RP | For a short while I was filled with panic that the autobuilder now goes cyan coloured | 17:52 |
| pbergin | Running 'devtool modify u-boot-imx' on Ubuntu 20.04 ends up with an error "Exception: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named '_sysconfigdata'". Stacktrace starts at "devtool-source.bbclass', lineno: 68, function: devtool_post_unpack". I have tried 'devtool modify' on a couple of other recipes and it works in those cases but not with u-boot-imx. Familiar to anyone? | 17:54 |
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| rburton | RP: turning it on in gcc won't cause much of a hit and i prefer quietly encouraging to helping people turn it on ;) | 17:55 |
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| khem | yeah we dont | 18:17 |
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| RP | sakoman: I've restarted your build. | 18:32 |
| sakoman | RP: thanks! | 18:32 |
| RP | khem, kanavin_home: autobuilder is back now. Hopefully with backwards compatibility for older helper code | 18:32 |
| RP | https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/44/builds/2717 is a little glimpse at the future | 18:32 |
| RP | or https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/15/builds/2967 and its cyan step :) | 18:33 |
| RP | sakoman: I'd check its building the right thing. I still don't trust rebuild buttons | 18:33 |
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| sakoman | RP: seems OK to me | 18:37 |
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| khem | RP: ok let me start a build | 18:52 |
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| Hadi | Is there way to create a ptest image tar file, similar to debugFS. Basically on a formal build I want to create production image, debug-image and ptest-test image. This will allow designer to untar the ptest image on the target and run unit/integration test . The production image can be verified easily. | 21:20 |
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