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| lxc | how can I build entire rootfs with -Os? bitbake.conf sets this to -O2 or -Og, but can't see how to set it differently. | 06:43 |
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| mcfrisk | lxc: https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/latest/mega-manual/mega-manual.html#var-SELECTED_OPTIMIZATION and https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/latest/mega-manual/mega-manual.html#var-BUILD_OPTIMIZATION | 06:48 |
| mcfrisk | you can set those in your distro config, or local.conf, but note that build scripts may override -Os with -O2 or even -O3. One way to check is to enable buildhistory and make sure all size of all built recipes changes after switch to -Os, and then fix build scripts of all recipes where size didn't reduce. | 06:49 |
| lxc | mcfrisk thanks, so overriding SELECTED_OPTIMIZATION in distro is a valid approach? | 06:50 |
| mcfrisk | To do this more selectively, e.g. via bblass or per recipe: BUILD_OPTIMIZATION_class-target = "-Os -pipe" and FULL_OPTIMIZATION_class-target = "${BUILD_OPTIMIZATION} ${DEBUG_FLAGS}" | 06:50 |
| mcfrisk | lxc: make sure with "bitbake -e image" output, but should be | 06:51 |
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| lxc | setting BUILD_OPTIMIZATION in distro to -Os does not do it. TARGET_CFLAGS are still -O2. | 07:04 |
| lxc | Overriding with SELECTED_OPTIMIZATION seems to take effect though. | 07:07 |
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| * RP tears hair out at autobuilder failures | 08:23 | |
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| qschulz | RP: wait wait wait, I hear some Bitbake operator thingies a few days before my talk... what is there to know about SRC_URI ordering? | 08:49 |
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| vygu2 | Hello, I have a strange error with gatesgarth, when I build an image with the previous sstate-cache: do_rootfs: Postinstall scriptlets of ['libglib-2', 'udev-hwdb', 'vim', 'glib-networking'] have failed. If the intention is to defer them to first boot, | 08:56 |
| vygu2 | then please place them into pkg_postinst_ontarget_${PN} (). | 08:56 |
| vygu2 | Have you any ideas? | 08:56 |
| vygu2 | I use the official recipe of 'libglib-2', 'udev-hwdb', 'vim', 'glib-networking' | 08:57 |
| RP | qschulz: nothing too bad, just that SRC_URI += "X" inherit pypi (which does SRC_URI += "Y") differs from inherit pypi SRC_URI += "X" | 09:01 |
| RP | qschulz: I was wondering whether to mention the ~= and #= operators but that would just be evil :) | 09:03 |
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| RP | (to be clear, they don't exist) | 09:06 |
| RP | vygu2: hard to know what the issue is without the logs about why they're failing | 09:07 |
| qschulz | I almost fainted :D | 09:07 |
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| qschulz | RP: yes it differs indeed and I'll tackle it, but why was this an issue for moto-timo then? | 09:07 |
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| qschulz | "kanavin | moto-timo: SRC_URI is looking odd. I think the actual tarball needs to come first, and no leading space." specifically this | 09:08 |
| qschulz | I by default always put the tarball/source code first so I never encountered that... | 09:09 |
| qschulz | is this an implicit rule? | 09:09 |
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| qschulz | maybe I should actually read the whole discussion | 09:19 |
| RP | qschulz: the automated version upgrade checking makes an assumption it comes first | 09:20 |
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| vygu2 | log filtered on the vim package: https://0bin.net/paste/rCp5Zh3+#mABSMX0nQkelP3TDgNqa4mLLzJMll2JWILna43bWD5V | 09:29 |
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| qschulz | RP: Mmm haven't unfortunately played with this UPSTREAM_CHECK_* thingy yet so didn't know. Thanks! In that sense, would it make sense to have bbclasses modifying SRC_URI to actually use SRC_URI_prepend? | 09:31 |
| qschulz | the same way that bbclasses should use DEPENDS_append and not DEPENDS += | 09:32 |
| RP | qschulz: Personally I wish things would get away from using append/prepend | 09:32 |
| RP | we probably should make the classes break things badly if people overrwrite rather than trying to be more and more magic | 09:32 |
| RP | rburton: just for info, I now have evidence that the glibc mem size thing affects qemuarm64 as well | 09:34 |
| lxc | is it possible to set max file system size for a particular fs type? Something like this IMAGE_ROOTFS_MAXSIZE_jffs2 = ... | 09:34 |
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| qschulz | RP: Mmmm, not sure you'll be happy with my slides then :p | 09:37 |
| qschulz | the issue here would be hard to detect, since it pertains to how UPSTREAM_CHECK_* checks are done | 09:38 |
| qschulz | in other cases, SRC_URI += followed by an inherit is fine (I guess) | 09:38 |
| RP | qschulz: well, we could improve the upstream checks too | 09:39 |
| RP | qschulz: _append and _prepend are really special case operators and are near impossible to override. They should only really use used rarely but the usage has grown a lot and more use encourages more use | 09:41 |
| qschulz | RP: parts of my slides :D | 09:41 |
| qschulz | what would be the safest practice then for inherit and += ?= = in classes/recipes? | 09:42 |
| qschulz | and I guess the best practice would be to have all inherit after the SUMMARY/DESCRIPTION/LICENSE/LIC_FILES_CHKSUM and all those "description" variables | 09:43 |
| RP | qschulz: that is usually the format and what is in the styleguide | 09:47 |
| RP | qschulz: we could do with being more consistent by we have so much legacy | 09:48 |
| qschulz | yeah but it's not good to have the ability to break stuff just by adding += before an inherit IMO, hence why I wanted to recommend using _append in classes, so that it's safe | 09:52 |
| qschulz | thought https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/tree/meta/classes/cmake.bbclass#n4 was a good example of that :) | 09:54 |
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| RP | qschulz: it solves one problem and creates another - you can't override the class :/ | 10:12 |
| qschulz | RP: yeah, you need _remove then with all its consequences. I don't see why would one inherit cmake and not want cmake-native in the DEPENDS but I understand this is a very specific example | 10:14 |
| RP | qschulz: for this case it is fine. If you make rules like "classes must use append", it becomes a problem quickly | 10:15 |
| qschulz | RP: so multilib is not the only nemesis you have :D | 10:16 |
| RP | qschulz: no, I suspect there are many | 10:16 |
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| vygu2 | Have you not ideo about my error with the above log? | 11:17 |
| vygu2 | -ideo +idea | 11:18 |
| vygu2 | -not +any | 11:18 |
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| watchd0gg | hi there guys, can someone help in wpewebkit+cog integration on my image? | 13:21 |
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| watchd0gg | i have a imx6q board, and with a vendor specific BSP | 13:23 |
| watchd0gg | in zeus branch | 13:23 |
| watchd0gg | i'm following the wpe https://github.com/Igalia/meta-webkit/wiki guid | 13:24 |
| watchd0gg | guide | 13:24 |
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| JPEW | RP: I've been doing several multiconfig builds over the past few days with master-next, and I haven't seen fatal errors | 13:33 |
| RP | JPEW: cool, that is promising. I wonder how to reproduce the errors which are being reported... | 13:33 |
| JPEW | Ya, I guess thats more of an endorsement that your changes still work for our use case, not necessarily that they fix whatever the problem is | 13:34 |
| yates | when/where is this multiconfig talk happening? | 13:35 |
| JPEW | yates: I'm giving it, is there something specific you would like to see? | 13:36 |
| JPEW | yates: Much to tlwoerner chagrin, I *still* haven't submitted my slides :/ | 13:36 |
| yates | JPEW: no thank you, i just wondered where and what time. is it going to be on zoom? | 13:36 |
| JPEW | Ya, it part of the YP summit | 13:37 |
| tlwoerner | yates: https://www.yoctoproject.org/yocto-project-virtual-summit-2021/ | 13:38 |
| yates | aha. | 13:39 |
| yates | thanks! | 13:39 |
| tlwoerner | yates: it's next Tue-Wed. on day 1 we have a full day of a beginner's tutorial/introduction | 13:39 |
| tlwoerner | yates: on day 2 we have a full day of hands-on classes | 13:39 |
| qschulz | JPEW: and you summoned tlwoerner now... I have to hide too, still haven't submitted the slides /me hides | 13:39 |
| tlwoerner | on both days there are presentations and lightning talks, some more beginner oriented, some very advanced | 13:39 |
| yates | sounds good. i'll try to get approval from the boss to attend. | 13:41 |
| yates | the more beginnerish the better lol | 13:41 |
| * tlwoerner is thrilled that on wed 10/21 of the slides were submitted. that number is now 13/21 | 13:42 | |
| qschulz | not a bad ratio | 13:43 |
| tlwoerner | qschulz: yes, that includes the hands-on classes. they are a bit special (i know, i've presented hands-on a couple times now) | 13:44 |
| tlwoerner | if i remove the hands-on classes from the count, then the slides coming in were 10/18 on wed, and now 13/18 :-D | 13:46 |
| tlwoerner | and i'm not expecting slides for Josef's "Yocto Yocto" lightning talk ;-) | 13:47 |
| tlwoerner | oops "Yocto Yoga" | 13:47 |
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| qschulz | There might be some, who knows :D | 13:49 |
| _RipFreenode_ | https://youtu.be/q0cRlJs7218?t=281 | 13:50 |
| qschulz | if it's not a rickroll, i'm disappointed | 13:52 |
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| RP | JPEW: it is helpful to know they don't regress there :) | 13:58 |
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| v2d | Is the beaglebone-yocto wic image intended to work as is on the eMMC? | 14:16 |
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| qschulz | RP: small OVERRIDES question. I've never seen recipe and package names with uppercase letter(s) or underscore(s) | 14:41 |
| qschulz | I understand for the underscore, it's at least for the _pn-${PN} override because overrides are split by _ after the variable name | 14:42 |
| RP | qschulz: we don't allow them | 14:43 |
| qschulz | I guess to know where the variable name ends, you need a _ + a lowercase letter, but you could have uppercase later on in the string right? | 14:43 |
| qschulz | e.g. nInvaders. I remember we had issues back when I was teaching a course, but don't remember why that was an issue or what it broke | 14:44 |
| qschulz | RP: looking just for a reason, I know you're not supposed to use them | 14:44 |
| RP | qschulz: we don't support uppercase overrides any more - allows bitbake to be a more optimised about decinding what is/isn't an override | 14:44 |
| qschulz | but we were definitely using them in thud even (and obviously, it broke things, so I put all lowercase) | 14:44 |
| RP | qschulz: e.g. is URI in SRC_URI an override? | 14:44 |
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| qschulz | RP: exactly | 14:46 |
| RP | BB_NO_NETWORK - so we have to test whether "NO" and "NETWORK" are overrides | 14:46 |
| RP | by mandating lowercase, it makes bitbake's life a little easier | 14:46 |
| qschulz | you just look for the first lowercase letter in the string then, and that's where the first override starts | 14:46 |
| RP | qschulz: the package backends don't like uppercase in package names either | 14:46 |
| qschulz | aaaah the package backends! | 14:47 |
| RP | qschulz: it might still not be an override but it helps limit the choices | 14:47 |
| RP | qschulz: the different package backends have differing requirements, I think deb is the most strict. We just said "no uppercase" for simplicity | 14:47 |
| qschulz | RP: is this enforced by bitbake now (e.g. checking the MACHINE/PN is all lowercase no undersocre)? | 14:49 |
| qschulz | RP: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#source indeed, debian wants all lowercase | 14:51 |
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| qschulz | (and no underscore) | 14:51 |
| qschulz | thanks! | 14:52 |
| RP | qschulz: bitbake won't process some uppercase overrides in some cases, I can't remember if we do sanity check it | 14:53 |
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| abelloni | the underscore bit me a while ago as we had a machine named sama5d3_xplained | 15:02 |
| v2d | can I safely dd beaglebone-yocto.wic to the eMMC? | 15:03 |
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| RP | abelloni: we probably should have more sanity tests | 15:20 |
| abelloni | there is a sanity test for that one now | 15:27 |
| RP | abelloni: ah, good :) | 15:29 |
| RP | abelloni: did we figure out anything useful to log in the ltp "hanging" case? | 15:30 |
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| v2d | answer to my question is: yes. | 15:37 |
| RP | abelloni: I think I did log enough to take some actions, patch coming... | 15:41 |
| RP | abelloni: three builds all hung in the same test... | 15:44 |
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| RP | rburton, jonmason: the build on ubuntu1804-arm-1 is hung in a devtool test operation on a core-image-minimal eSDK :/ | 15:57 |
| RP | Its in python, sitting on a futex | 15:58 |
| rburton | lovely | 15:58 |
| rburton | a race in devtool, just what we wanted | 15:59 |
| RP | rburton: its sitting in pthread_cond_wait(), I just can't see which other thread there is running | 15:59 |
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| rburton | one day i'll learn how to drive gdb's python integration | 16:00 |
| RP | rburton: I've tried, its a nightmare to make work | 16:00 |
| RP | For the record its sitting in devtool sdk-install meta-extsdk-toolchain | 16:00 |
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| RP | rburton: source /usr/share/gdb/auto-load/usr/bin/pythonXX-gdb.py is the magic in gdb but I don't have the symbols for the python it is running from the esdk | 16:20 |
| RP | rburton: Py_Exit() is in the backtrace so I suspect its some issue at shutdown | 16:22 |
| * zeddii just spent three hours resolving a 5.10.38 -> preempt-rt conflict in arm/kernel/entry.S, so rburton better be nice to you RP. | 16:26 | |
| RP | rburton: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/97/builds/2753/steps/12/logs/stdio - I broke the lock in gdb, python aborted but we at least know what it was waiting on - python GIL | 16:28 |
| RP | zeddii: I remember that file. I'm trying not to now :) | 16:29 |
| qschulz | Oh BTW, on thud (haven't checked on newer releases), forcevariable is not the one with the highest precedence in OVERRIDES... it's virtclass-multilib-lib32 :D | 16:33 |
| rburton | RP: damned gil | 16:33 |
| qschulz | tlwoerner: slides and odp sent, might be subject to small changes but should be nothing drastic | 16:34 |
| tlwoerner | qschulz: w00t! | 16:36 |
| RP | rburton, jonmason: I also just looked at this 9 hour ltp build on arm. Its stuck in proc01 test reading /proc/kmsg. The test in question just reads every file in proc | 16:37 |
| * RP is going to disable that test | 16:38 | |
| RP | rburton, jonmason: any interest in it or should I kill it? | 16:40 |
| RP | zeddii: do you know much about kvm-clocksource - could that be causing our vm lockups? | 16:42 |
| RP | zeddii: I have a patch in master-next to try disabling it, was just curious if you've seen/heard anything | 16:42 |
| rburton | just opening every file in proc seems like a rather dumb thing to do | 16:42 |
| RP | rburton: there is one for /dev and others too | 16:42 |
| * RP nearly disabled them too | 16:42 | |
| zeddii | RP: in theory, that is the lightest weight clocksource to use, and has more accuracy for some cases. but trying without it is reasonable. | 16:49 |
| zeddii | we used it when we were doing the "real time kvm" stuff @ WindRiver | 16:49 |
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| RP | zeddii: fair enough. I guess we run the experiment and see | 17:00 |
| * RP kills the ltp build to let halstead get on with maint | 17:00 | |
| halstead | Thanks RP. | 17:01 |
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| * paulg notes that running ltp at all can be classified as a rather dumb thing to do.... | 17:14 | |
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| kiwi_29 | Hello... I am using Yocto to build a custom distro based on core-image-minimal. We use hddimg to burn a usb flash drive , which is then used to install distro on harddisk. | 17:48 |
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| kiwi_29 | I want to add couple of empty partitions on the harddisk at the end of installation. | 17:49 |
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| kiwi_29 | How do I do that in Yocto | 17:49 |
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| kiwi_29 | I am open to using WIC. But I was not able to generate a wks which will let me build an image which can be used as live-bootable installer image like hddimg (with two extra empty partitions in the target hdd) | 17:50 |
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| JPEW | python3-cffi RDEPENDS on python3-pycparser which depends on `cpp` (the pre-processor)... this seems unnecessary (and is an error when doing a non-GPLv3 build). Does anyone know if that dependency be made optional? | 18:04 |
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| moto-timo | Spammy McSpamface | 19:13 |
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| zeddii | all the crazies are out trying to take advantage of the freenode controversy it seems. | 19:23 |
| abelloni | fantastic... | 19:23 |
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| zeddii | halstead: around ? we need your op powers again it seems. | 19:26 |
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| halstead | Let me see.. | 19:35 |
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| halstead | Hopefully that helps a bit. | 19:49 |
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| v2d | If I want to use two different .wks files (one for the SD card, one for the eMMC), I must define 2 distincts machine configurations, even though the code is compatible? | 20:07 |
| fullstop | thanks, yocti | 20:08 |
| * v2d guesses having to machine configurations sharing the same TMPDIR is the way to go. | 20:08 | |
| v2d | s/to/two/ | 20:08 |
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| moto-timo | v2d: not that I have done this, but you should be able to use multiconfig with twi different wks | 21:53 |
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| moto-timo | thank you halstead | 21:54 |
| halstead | Sure. | 21:54 |
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| Crofton|cloud | I suspect the loss of admins means freenode will become unusable fast | 22:29 |
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| moto-timo | #dumpsterfire2021 | 22:41 |
| Crofton|cloud | We have the channel son libera already | 22:51 |
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| armpit | moto-timo, climate change in the internet ? | 23:23 |
| moto-timo | armpit: and hopefully spammers melt at +1 degree | 23:24 |
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