Tuesday, 2021-11-09

agherzanJosef Holzmayr (TheYoctoJester): dunfell meta-raspberrypi backport for the GitHub protocol changes was merged00:08
agherzanJust FYI00:08
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zeddiiross: known issue. I'm working on it.02:18
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* zeddii reads the bitbake mailing list, and offers to elevate RP to a saint for his measured reply02:51
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JosefHolzmayrTheAndrei: thanks for the heads up!05:34
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kanavinzeddii, RP's combination of technical and people skills is one in a million, we all know that07:50
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mckoangood morning07:54
JosefHolzmayrTheyo dudX07:54
JosefHolzmayrTheand mckoans07:54
JosefHolzmayrThekanavin: what was it with the BB ML?07:57
kanavinJosefHolzmayrThe, some young academic who learned a bit of python and is obsessed about whitespace showed up feeling all entitled to the project providing him with a github where he can send patches07:58
JosefHolzmayrTheoh fun.07:58
kanavinsee 'bitbake style/workflow'07:59
JosefHolzmayrTheya just found it. i usually don't read the bb ml and the web frontend played tricks on me.07:59
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JosefHolzmayrThemore fun, i even know that guy is active here.08:05
kanavinhere where?08:06
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kroonIs there a similar command to GNU make's "define" in bitbake, for defining a multiline value ?08:12
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banana_smoothieGood morning. Is there a way to symlink a batch of *.so files in the same directory where they are?08:44
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kanavinbanana_smoothie, did you check the manpage for ln? I don't think we can tell you something it doesn't.08:47
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banana_smoothieI read and when I build the recipe it returns error.08:51
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banana_smoothiefor filename in Qt*.so; do08:58
banana_smoothie    ln -s $filename ${D}${libdir}/python${PYTHON_MAJMIN}/site-packages/PySide2/"$(echo ${filename} | sed -e 's/gnueabihf/gnueabi/g')"08:58
qschulzand what's the error?08:59
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JosefHolzmayrTheqschulz: "it doesn't work"09:03
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banana_smoothieqschulz OSError: [Errno 40] too much recursions while resolving09:05
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qschulzmust.. resist.. answering.. bb style/workflow.. must resist... so hard..09:13
RPqschulz: which side of the fence would you reply on though? :)09:14
qschulzRP: i'll let you guess :)09:14
qschulz90+% of my work so far has been mail based09:16
qschulz5% on GitHub/GitLab for some free time contribution and I did not enjoy it too much09:16
qschulzbut much better than Gerrit09:16
qschulzam I allowed to go to war for you my lord?09:17
* kroon thinks: do whatever the kernel folks are doing, they seem to now what they're doing09:17
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RPqschulz: fair enough, I was just curious :)09:17
RPkroon: not sure they always know best ;-)09:18
RPqschulz: it is a tricky topic as I can see it from the new contributor side09:18
RPbut I do know we get a lot from our mailing lists and weird old school looking approach09:19
qschulzRP: oh I perfectly see it too, but just the main "it's new and shiny" reason for changing a whole project's contribution model is a bit much..09:20
qschulzBut I guess since we're talking about here I am allowed to chime in and put oil on the fire on the ML :p09:20
qschulzabout it*09:20
kroonRP, naw, maybe not, but most of the time :-)09:20
JosefHolzmayrTheRP: i actually just said in another conversation: "both sides are equally right and wrong in their extreme points of view". if i had a good solution, i wouldn'T be messing around here, I would be heading for world domination already.09:21
RPFWIW I'm probably not going to reply too much more. I think I made it clear we have reasons for doing what we do which was want I wanted to ensure was documented09:21
JosefHolzmayrTheRP: yeah.09:21
RPkroon: I deliberately made sure we didn't copy some kernel things :)09:21
qschulzRP: hence me thinking if I should restart it or just let it die slowly :)09:21
RPqschulz: that is up to you :)09:22
qschulzJosefHolzmayrThe: The issue with both sides being equally right, is that one is already in place, so there isn't much in the balance to push for a change :/09:22
RPIt is actually helpful from my perspective to see some agreement that it isn't just me thinking certain things09:22
kroonRP, so my 2cents: keep ml, no github/gitlab plz09:24
JosefHolzmayrTheI'll put it like this: t would be nice if there was a pathway for those new-style contributions to flow into our ecosystem. This does not necessarily mandate a specific platform, though.09:24
RPJosefHolzmayrThe: that we agree on, yes. I wish there were09:25
JosefHolzmayrTheso plans for today: 1) solve contribution problem 2) world domination 3) get drunk 4) PROFIT!!!!09:26
RPJosefHolzmayrThe: sounds good although I hope the steps aren't only allowed in that order or you may dehydrate :)09:27
JosefHolzmayrTheRP: don't burst my bubble!09:29
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JosefHolzmayrThehow does meta-oe handle the problem? khem being the person gateway in between, and git-mirror doint the tech magic?09:33
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RPJosefHolzmayrThe: Khem is just processing from both sources09:38
RPJosefHolzmayrThe: If I were to do this with core I'd just have to repost the content from github onto the mailing list09:38
RPand if there were feedback, I'm in trouble trying to sync the two09:39
JosefHolzmayrTheRP: so the "magic maintainer" model09:39
* mcfrisk votes for "magic maintainer" model09:44
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mcfriskalso at $WORK, new kids like to complain about some tools like email and talk how much better github, chat tools etc are, but then their way of working doesn't scale. in the end, mutt with email does scale to 1000's emails, reviews, tickets per day. try that on MS Teams...09:46
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RPmcfrisk: we'll just not mention that my preferred email client tends to push my system OOM far too often and that I'm likely going to have to replace the laptop to "fix" this :)09:47
JosefHolzmayrThethe problem with that model is it scales badly, and nobody wants to pay09:47
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qschulzmcfrisk: you don't have to put reviews in MS Teams's balance to say that it's an horrendous piece of software09:49
qschulzI hate it so much09:49
qschulzRP: will think about using this as justification for a better laptop next time :p09:49
qschulz(if I receive a work laptop one day... damn chip shortage...)09:50
JosefHolzmayrTheqschulz: i thought all work laptops would be globally replaced by mbp 16" next week?09:51
RPqschulz: For better or worse I get to fund a replacement myself these days. I did look at the chip shortage, prices and so on and keep putting it off09:51
mcfriskMS Teams is better than Skype which is better than old telephone system, and possibly better than Cisco WebEx (though this works on a browser nowadays). At least on a Linux laptop I'm able to join meetings with $VENDORS now, but then there are too many meetings (blaaah)09:52
qschulzJosefHolzmayrThe: I have to say, the hw looks impressive, but no decent native linux, not a viable laptop (and I say this working on an old mac Mini, crying my eyes out every day with graphics artefacts/glitches and hangs :(09:52
qschulzmcfrisk: MS Teams works only in Chrome (at least not in FF)09:53
RPqschulz: that was probably where I went wrong with teams this morning then :/09:53
qschulzThey have a flatpak but it's so bad I decided to install chromium in a flatpak instead and use the web client09:53
JosefHolzmayrTheRP: you're on a team?09:53
qschulzFYI, ANY change in the settings in the flatpak would make screen sharing not work09:54
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qschulzand I do not mean like me sharing screen, no no, I mean like seeing other people sharing screens09:54
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qschulzand sometimes even with no settings changed, I would have to reinstall the flatpak09:54
mcfriskI use the native MS Teams client on Debian, bit the bullet..09:54
JosefHolzmayrThehow did it taste?09:55
qschulzRP: been waiting for my laptop since mid-july, was supposed to be delivered two weeks ago, got delayed to at least next year :)09:55
mcfriskJosefHolzmayrThe: led and gun powder... yuk09:56
qschulzmcfrisk: also.. in free tier, no file upload.. wth09:56
RPJosefHolzmayrThe: I got to join a teams call. I do miss being part of the old Intel team09:56
qschulzI don't even know if it's free tier or cheap tier, but not the one that allows it for sure :p09:57
qschulzalso M$ Office IMAP for some reason does not send me multipart emails from colleagues, only html.. pretty bad for neomutt, cli-based mail client :(09:57
qschulzand the URL rewriting. Oh I hate it so much09:57
qschulzBut at leas tit gives me something to complain about :D09:58
mcfriskgeneration gap... I hear there are new developers joining companies who have not used a mouse, not seen a command prompt, and used only IOS devices...10:02
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JosefHolzmayrThecan be good, can be bad. it depends on the environment and what you make of it.10:04
qschulzmcfrisk: I've read a few nigerian twitter users say some of them code on phone, whatever works :)10:07
qschulz(though it's likely not a choice)10:07
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JosefHolzmayrTheI have coded a bit on a tablet too, and it has interesting effects and implications.10:10
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banana_smoothieqschulz so there is no solution for my issue? :(10:51
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qschulzbanana_smoothie: I have no idea but I doubt this is Yocto related?10:53
banana_smoothieqschulz I tried to search a solution in the openembedded-core layer but didn't find where symbolic link is used in a loop10:53
banana_smoothieqschulz I think yes, when I use symbolic link inside the loop, it returns *.so instead of the file name10:54
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qschulzbanana_smoothie: I don't know if this is POSIX compliant? IIRC bitbake shell tasks are running in /bin/sh11:28
qschulzotherwise, you could try with the following: find -name "Qt*.so" -exec sh -c 'ln -s {} /some/path/$(echo {} | sed s/whatever/whichever/)' \; that might do it11:29
qschulzmight need some tinkering, I didn't test it11:29
qschulzbut I like using find instead of forloops for file based logic11:29
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banana_smoothieqschulz okay thank you, I try it11:51
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dvorkindmitryI have several named gits in my SRC_URI. I want to get rid of "rev" hashes. But bitbake says: "The SRCREV_FORMAT variable must be set..". How can I correctly setup AUTOREV for 5 gits in SRC_URI at the same time?11:55
qschulzdvorkindmitry: you need to name each entry in the src_uri and then use SRCREV_entryname = "${AUTOREV}"11:58
qschulzdvorkindmitry: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/variables.html#term-SRC_URI11:59
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banana_smoothieqschulz if I use `cd ${D}/some/path` command before the loop the symlink is works.12:27
qschulzbanana_smoothie: mmmm, maybe you wanted to use lnr (which is an alias for `ln -r`) ?12:29
rburtoni bet we can drop lnr now actually12:31
rburtonits only needed if the host has coreutils <8.1612:31
rburtonRP: do you still have that script to run a command on every AB worker?  ln --version would be nice :)12:32
banana_smoothieqschulz no, I used `ln -s`12:33
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rburtonif you're creating symlinks you need to be very careful not to end up putting ${D} in the target12:34
rburtonwhich is why -r is so useful12:34
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filipm[m]Hi guys, I'm facing a weird problem when building a custom cmake recipe:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/da7607ebe9f033f37deaa008bbac3bfdea75f589)12:39
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rburtonfilipm[m]: check that a known-good cmake project works in the sdk.  our test suite builds assimp to verify it works.12:40
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banana_smoothieShould I use `lnr` instead of `cd ... ln -s`?12:47
qschulzbanana_smoothie: I don't think it matters much. Just make sure you're cd'ing back to the previous directory before finishing the task12:48
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qschulzndec: could we put in github's mirrors description that they are indeed mirrors?12:53
qschulzndec: see: https://github.com/buildroot/buildroot/12:53
qschulztop right12:53
qschulzand we can disable the issues tab in the settings too12:54
RPrburton: somewhere :)12:59
RPrburton: mailed (ish)13:00
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banana_smoothieqschulz Thank you. I found a solution in the go-native_%.bb recipe where they used parentheses to prevent that the tasks run in that same directory where they cd'd13:04
qschulzbanana_smoothie: yup, that or `cp -`. In any case it's not necessary in some cases (e.g. at the end of the task) but if some people are appending to your task afterwards, they would expect the directory in which their code will execute to be "standard"13:07
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* zeddii reads the history and chuckles13:20
zeddiiand then bites his tonque13:20
zeddiiand then wonders what a tonque is13:21
qschulzzeddii: you bit it too hard13:21
zeddiiqschulz: was it you that mentioned a mac mini .. I related to that quite strongly :D13:22
zeddiimy 2012 mac mini server is dying a painful death, but I still haven't found a decent replacement that I like.13:22
zeddiiwell "server", but it's my desktop.13:22
zeddiiI might use it fora server, if I ever can replace it.13:23
* zeddii shuffles off for coffee13:23
RPzeddii: you did make me smile reading back history this morning :)13:24
qschulzzeddii: they got me that out of a lab somewhere so i could have something to work on, it was never the official plan for me to work with that for months :) Bad luck with the chip shortage13:24
qschulzFortunately we have a server on which I can build, but I prefer to build locally... but Yocto on a Mac Mini... oof13:25
zeddiiyah. that's my problem too. Since Xilinx will be 'eaten' by AMD shortly .. I wonder what that'll mean for my kit13:25
qschulzAt least I'll have my hands warm during winter with the fan blowing on the keyboard13:25
zeddiiyah. I just use it as  a desktop. server are in my basement.13:25
zeddiiRP: I meant it.  As they say "you are aren't paid enough to deal with crap like that"13:26
qschulzzeddii: threadripper for your server then :p13:26
* zeddii gets his wishlist ready.13:26
qschulzzeddii: ask JosefHolzmayrThe I think he "recently" got a new very powerful server if you want some suggestions13:26
JosefHolzmayrThezeddii: 2x epyc 7something... 256 threads, 512gb ram13:28
filipm[m]rburton: thanks, it seems the issue was that I've set wrong DEPENDS ( only on -native version of a given package [nanopb]), after I added the non-native package to the build, it seems the sdk works as expected13:28
JosefHolzmayrThe7tb on pcie nvme13:28
zeddiithink of all the kernels and container foo I could do .. I'd be out of work in a month! (shhhh).13:29
qschulzzeddii: think of all the gitlab pipelines you could run :o13:29
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zeddiieven better! I'd finally be able to get jonmason's instructions working for meta-virt and kernels, versus the current pain and suffering pipeline.13:30
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jonmasonzeddii: just now?13:32
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JaMaJosefHolzmayrThe: can you please run https://github.com/shr-project/test-oe-build-time on your new baby?13:37
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JosefHolzmayrTheJaMa: sorry, can't because we're not taking direct access13:38
JaMaok then Dual-Epyc-7763 stays on top :)13:39
JaMawas anyone watching the AMD keynote yesterday? good news for OE builders :)13:39
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zeddiijonmason: I was working on it just last week, need to get it up and running better.13:42
jonmasonzeddii: I've tweaked it a little more since the last time13:43
jonmasonit has the std kernel and dev kernel, as well as an attempt to use the autobuilder sstate13:45
zeddiicool. I need it to start testing some pkg feed nightlies as well, so the sstate would be handy.13:46
jonmasonI'm also messing with poky-tiny, as it appears to not work on qemuarm.  so you can drop that if you want13:46
jonmasonzeddii: I even have it semi-scripted in a branch to rebase off of master in my nightly runs13:47
jonmasonI spent the weekend resurrecting old HW to add to the gitlab ci build/test cluster (as it were)13:49
qschulzi'm having issues with a U-Boot SPL created with Yocto GCCs, does anyone have a pointer on how to debug this a bit further?13:49
jonmasonI'm fairly certain anything with less than 8 real CPUs (not 4 hyper threaded) is fairly useless13:49
qschulzI build on fedora35/debian11 with package gccs (host and aarch64) and the SPL works just fine, not with Yocto's. The issue being that the SPL cannot find U-Boot proper because it does not find the MMC device in the list of boot devices to look13:50
qschulzbranch honister13:52
qschulzhttps://source.denx.de/u-boot/u-boot/-/blob/master/arch/arm/mach-rockchip/spl-boot-order.c issues in there13:52
smurrayjonmason: dl9pf and I had decent success with the original Skull Canyon NUCs that are 4C/8T as portable build machines doing AGL stuff, but more real cores for sure helps13:57
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jonmasonsmurray: I can tell you for sure that phenom 2's (3 CPU/6 Threads) are not worth the electricity ;-)14:01
RPjonmason: 8 CPUs would be nice. FWIW our performance test machines are quad cores I think but very old and ready to replace14:01
smurrayjonmason: heh14:03
jonmasonRP: I'm tempted to add my RasPi4 to my setup and see if that fares better that this old HW.  my old i7-3770 is not even as good as 1/8 of my AMD 3950x (as I had 8 containers running on it)14:04
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jonmasonthe upside is, my home office is toasty warm with all this old hardware running overnight14:04
smurrayjonmason: heh, I just picked up a 2970WX to upgrade my TR box at home (from a 1950X), but you have me beat ;)14:05
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JosefHolzmayrTheJaMa: zeddii got to check now, its a dual AMD EPYC 774214:05
jonmasonI literally pulled this system out to throw it away and thought "it has to be better than a container".  nope14:06
RPjonmason: I'm starting to wonder if I should be thinking about doing something with my main build server :/14:06
RPIt does parse OE-Core in about 4s though :)14:07
jonmasonmy lx2k is doing respectable14:07
jonmasonmy problem is I need to decouple my desktop from my builders14:07
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jonmasonbecause building means I can't work on anything due to it being too sluggish14:08
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RPjonmason: that is why I have separate systems, yes14:09
JaMajonmason: I was using 8core FX-8120 for long time and it was great value for builds when it was released, but sadly even cheap Ryzen 5 1600AF beats it nowadays14:11
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* RP wonders what the easiest way to replicate a broken webserver which accepts connections but never serves them is14:13
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RPmaybe netcat on a port14:21
qschulzRP: some http.server in Python where you accept the connection but do not handle requests?14:22
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RPqschulz: I was hoping there was just something off the shelf I could use14:30
RPnetcat only works for one connection14:30
JPEWRP: socat maybe?14:30
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JPEW`socat -u TCP4-LISTEN:8080,fork OPEN:/dev/null` perhaps?14:31
RPJPEW: that seems to work, thanks :)14:34
* RP knew there had to be a way to do this simply 14:34
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JosefHolzmayrThea thing i thought about - the bitbake cli is essentially just a frontend, right? is the interface to the server usable in other contexts too?14:40
JPEWJosefHolzmayrThe: Yes14:41
JosefHolzmayrTheJPEW: any known examples?14:42
RPJosefHolzmayrThe: commands like devtool/recipetool? toaster?14:44
JPEWJosefHolzmayrThe: There are actually several different UI's implemented for bitbake if you look in bitbake/lib/bb/ui. I don't know the state of them, but they might be OK examples14:44
JPEWThat too14:44
JosefHolzmayrThekthx :)14:45
RPJPEW: thanks for that tip with socat, that made figuring out where this timeout problem was quite nice and straight forward14:45
RPexcept I've now broken the networking enough on that system I can't get the changes back out of it :D14:46
JPEWHeh, oops14:47
JPEWRP: Ya, socat is an awesome tool; it can do all sorts of things14:47
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RPJPEW: I included it in the commit message since it is handy to remember in future14:55
RParmpit: it looks like this single fix may be enough to avoid the issues you were seeing when the nas failed14:55
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jaskij[m]dos Kickstart (.wks) allow for using variables?15:03
jaskij[m]specifically in `.wks` files15:04
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qschulzjaskij[m]: yes, see meta-rockchip15:18
qschulzjaskij[m]: https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-rockchip/tree/wic/rockchip.wks15:20
qschulzjaskij[m]: https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-rockchip/tree/conf/machine/include/rockchip-wic.inc#n2315:21
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jaskij[m]qschulz: thanks. I guess meta-freescale just doesn't do it.15:31
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* RP wonders if we plan to backport the github fetcher change to 1.3. Yes, danny, from 202115:49
RPso long ago my fingers can't type it as it must be wrong15:49
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Xagenwhen you do `bitbake <package> -c devshell`, where in the build process does it drop you in the shell?15:54
Xagenis it before any patches have been installed or after?15:54
RPXagen: after I think15:55
rburtonXagen: addtask devshell after do_patch do_prepare_recipe_sysroot15:55
rburtonpatched but not configured15:55
Xagenrburton: ok, i'm a little confused with something then15:56
Xageni went into the devshell and made a patch based on a files state15:56
Xageni then added it in a bbappend to get it patched along with whatever else was getting patched15:56
Xagenit did run last, but fails to patch15:56
RPXagen: did you patch files which are regenerated by autoconf?15:57
Xagen"Hunk #1 FAILED at 5829."15:57
XagenRP: it's a c file in that packages lib directory15:58
RPXagen: a generated file?15:58
RPXagen: just mentioning it as I've seen that issue before15:58
XagenRP: i would think not15:59
Xagenbut i'll download the same archive to verify15:59
XagenRP: they're both in the archive, so they're not generated16:02
Xagenboth files being patched that is16:02
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* paulg_ recalls seeing people trying to patch autogenerated files some 10-15y ago. Hoping those folks have since found alternative careers...16:44
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kanavinrburton, can you help a bit here? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdk-pixbuf/-/merge_requests/11916:51
kanavinnot sure what to say in the open comment there16:51
rburtonwhy can't gdk-pixbuf build that binary native?16:52
kanavinI guess it can, we just never wrote a patch for that, instead doing the -native build that feeds into target's native sysroot16:52
rburtoni guess the 'right' thing to do would be to build both a native and target binary,  so it can run the native one and install the target one16:54
rburtoni wonder if meson can do that16:54
kanavinyeah, can you comment something along those lines please?16:54
kanavinand target one doesn't need to be built, it's installed by the patch only because we need the native one16:55
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khemmy image creation is borked with IMAGE_FSTYPES having any .wic image types, I cant associate it with any particular commits https://errors.yoctoproject.org/Errors/Details/616491/18:59
khemanyone seeing something similar ?18:59
JPEWkhem: Looks like there was a find/replace session to replace os.rename() that changed that19:03
JPEWoe-core: 656a65b2b84e7d529b89cf5de7eb838f902d84a219:03
khemI think we need to add wic.qcow2 or somesuch to one of selftests19:05
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rburtonkhem: another fwupd recipe sent, hopefully this one works19:17
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khemme looks19:19
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khemJPEW: I guess this change should not have applied to scripts/lib/wic/plugins/imager/direct.py20:44
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jaskij[m]is there any neat way to influence U-Boot's variables from the recipe?21:40
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jaskij[m]I have two boards which differ only in the name of the kernel DTB and it feels kind of wrong to have two different U-Boot defconfigs because of that21:41
jaskij[m](these are different machines from Yocto PoV, but I'd like a single defconfig in U-Boot tree)21:51
jaskij[m]*not defconfig, configs/board.h21:52
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jaskij[m]looking through stuff, I either do something weird with U-Boot, or just go with a FIT image?22:01
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ndecqschulz_: "qschulz> ndec: could we put in github's mirrors description that they are indeed mirrors?" I have done it for bitbake and oe-core.22:07
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tlwoernerqschulz_: hey, sorry i was away last week. are you still seeing issues with meta-rockchip on dunfell (or otherwise)?22:57
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