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| marex | hey, how come there are not 5.16..5.18 branches in yocto kernel cache ? | 01:04 |
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| Guest53 | Hi guys, there is a typo I guess in the Yocto project docs | 06:14 |
| Guest53 | 3.23.3.1 Making Sure the Packaging is Done, there it says 'lighttpd', but probably 'libhttpd' is meant | 06:14 |
| Guest53 | that's it | 06:14 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Guest53: i think its correct. lighttpd is a httpd server package, which is being split into packages. | 06:36 |
| Guest53 | Okay, thanks | 06:36 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Guest53: thanks for the heads up! | 06:37 |
| Guest53 | yep | 06:37 |
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| Guest53 | Does bitbake use an embedded Python interpreter to process python-style tasks? | 06:43 |
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| Guest53 | I want to use a specific interpreter (e.g. python3.5 and higher), can I do that? Or is there only one fixed embedded python interpreter that comes with the OE version? | 06:44 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Guest53: I don't know, but what is the rationale behind it? | 06:44 |
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| Guest53 | Just not being sure if I can execute complex logic from a Python task inside a recipe, or should I better write the logic to a script and call that from recipe task | 06:45 |
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| Guest53 | I think the second option is the way to go.. | 06:45 |
| LetoThe2nd | Guest53: you can do pretty complex stuff in there, the question is more, where does it correctly fit in. | 06:46 |
| LetoThe2nd | Guest53: if you look at the sdk-related bbclasses for example, you can see that it is quite non-trivial. | 06:47 |
| Guest53 | Can you say where to look? | 06:47 |
| Guest53 | for example | 06:47 |
| Guest53 | poky? | 06:47 |
| LetoThe2nd | Guest53: https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/tree/meta/classes/populate_sdk_ext.bbclass | 06:48 |
| Guest53 | thx | 06:48 |
| LetoThe2nd | random example of complex stuff in python tasks, theres a lot more in the classes directory. | 06:48 |
| Guest53 | great, but one thing is not clear to me | 06:49 |
| Guest53 | How does bitbake choose Python? 2 or 3 for example | 06:50 |
| Guest53 | is there a rule? | 06:50 |
| LetoThe2nd | Guest53: bitbake is strictyl py3 | 06:50 |
| Guest53 | Okay, cool | 06:50 |
| Guest53 | higher than 3.5? I need a 3.5. or higher version | 06:50 |
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| Guest53 | So if that is the case, then I can work inside that Python task, which is what I need. Thanks | 06:51 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Guest53: https://git.openembedded.org/bitbake/commit/?id=a3050aee21b6a23b55232d52f89980a3bbd3a290 | 06:53 |
| Guest53 | damn | 06:54 |
| Guest53 | you know everything | 06:54 |
| Guest53 | thanks a lot | 06:54 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Guest53: please note that I just looked at master. if you are using something outdated, then ... *shrug* | 06:54 |
| Guest53 | I can check that in the sources. Thanks, you made things more clear for me! | 06:55 |
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| Guest53 | LetoThe2nd is there something special that is worth knowing in bitbake's Python? Or is it just a regular py3 with certain libraries loaded? | 07:48 |
| Guest53 | or 'module', not libraries | 07:48 |
| Guest53 | that would be more correct, in terms of python | 07:48 |
| Guest53 | e.g. utils etc | 07:49 |
| LetoThe2nd | Guest53: no idea. | 07:49 |
| Guest53 | Yes, I am just scared of doing something, hence a lot of asking. Let's start coding :) | 07:50 |
| LetoThe2nd | good plan, try and find out. :-) | 07:51 |
| qschulz | Guest53: python 3.6 is the minimal required version for Bitbake for a few releases now | 07:58 |
| qschulz | ah well, that's what LetoThe2nd pointed at | 07:58 |
| Guest53 | yes, but thanks | 07:58 |
| Guest53 | I use a lower actually. we have an old release | 07:59 |
| Guest53 | 3.4 I guess. But still good, I can work with that I think | 07:59 |
| Guest53 | the only solution is upgrading actually, I will have one more argument to suggest an upgrade | 07:59 |
| qschulz | 3.4 has this commit | 08:00 |
| qschulz | but it's EOL anyway | 08:00 |
| qschulz | so please upgrade to kirkstone (4.0) | 08:00 |
| Guest53 | Okay, thanks | 08:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: time to celebrate! I successfully answered a python question today! | 08:00 |
| qschulz | it's an LTS (2 years support right now, maybe more, depends if companies put money into the project for longer maintenance) | 08:00 |
| Guest53 | need to make up new topic for the streams | 08:00 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: yay \o/ | 08:01 |
| Guest53 | Thanks qschulz | 08:01 |
| LetoThe2nd | Guest53: heh, sadly no streaming sessions these days. would love to do, but time... | 08:01 |
| qschulz | Guest53: I don't know if the python interpreter used in Bitbake allows to use any python module/extension in its python tasks | 08:01 |
| qschulz | (I assume it could/should but it's also not THAT great if you're using non-core modules because you'd then require your users to install additional python packages on their host | 08:02 |
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| qschulz | and have to deal with versioning etc...) | 08:02 |
| Guest53 | Okay, maybe calling a script is a good option | 08:02 |
| qschulz | Guest53: script would be the same if it's called by Bitbake during recipe parsing/building | 08:03 |
| Guest53 | yes, that was the idea | 08:03 |
| qschulz | actually... not true | 08:03 |
| qschulz | if you use it as a script and call it as a script directly from the recipe, you could create a native recipe for this python module/extension you need and use it | 08:03 |
| Guest53 | yes | 08:04 |
| qschulz | but that needs to happen after do_prepare_recipe_sysroot (likely do_configure, do_compile, do_install or that kind of stuff) | 08:04 |
| Guest53 | I see you are more bitbake/oe oriented than me. I was thinking simple. Just call subprocess.call("python3 script.py") | 08:05 |
| Guest53 | like this | 08:05 |
| qschulz | in which case, I think you wouldn't even need to care about the minimal version because the native python recipe would be used instead of the host (IIRC, mnot entirely sure) | 08:05 |
| qschulz | Guest53: you could simply call in a shell task ./script.py (Maybe), or ${PYTHON_NATIVE} ./script.py (or something like that0 | 08:06 |
| Guest53 | PYTHON_NATIVE is a var for that, okay, didn't know thanks | 08:06 |
| qschulz | that's not the correct name, need to look it up | 08:07 |
| Guest53 | yes, shell can also be used. Okay, thanks for ideas. Can try them now | 08:07 |
| qschulz | ${PYTHON} should be enough | 08:07 |
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| qschulz | but I don't see it being used | 08:09 |
| qschulz | so wondering if just inheriting (inherit) python3native in your recipe should be enough | 08:09 |
| Guest53 | let me check that too | 08:10 |
| qschulz | since the bbclass exports a PYTHON environment variable, maybe that does the trick | 08:10 |
| JaMa | yes just python3native and then call python3 from shell task or shebang in the script | 08:11 |
| Guest53 | cool, thanks for solution | 08:11 |
| JaMa | if any python3 from host is good enough for your script (no fancy extensions) then you don't need the inherit | 08:11 |
| JaMa | python3 is in PATH from HOSTTOOLS | 08:11 |
| JaMa | and I would do separate script, because if the logic is complex then you might need to debug your script separately and that's easier by hand in your source repo, than debuging complex python code inside task code | 08:12 |
| Guest53 | exactly | 08:13 |
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| JaMa | vmeson: is Aryaman Gupta here? I'm running some benchmarks with /proc/pressure limits and I might have some questions, e.g. why cpu and io, but not memory? In too many of my builds it not only gets slower, but then fails with OOMK and ram usage is IMHO a bit less predictable than cpu/io, so BB_PRESSURE_MAX_MEMORY seems like good idea to me, but maybe there were technical reasons not to do that | 08:32 |
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| wkawka | Hi, is there a proper channel with kas-container? i didn't find it | 09:08 |
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| rburton | there's no kas channel, no | 09:13 |
| rburton | some people here use kas so might be able to help, but if you want to talk to the maintainers then you need to use the google group | 09:13 |
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| ptsneves | @rburton regarding the CMake passing absolute paths to flex, even if we could get CMake to pass relative paths(which we cant) there is no way the #line would be useful without also setting some prefix for the target which from the source it is not possible. | 09:17 |
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| ptsneves | perhaps patch flex to accept a map for the #line entry? | 09:18 |
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| wkawka | I have a strange problem, kas cannot resolve any host, event if i can clone them. I tried reinstalling, rebooting etc. nothing helps | 09:19 |
| wkawka | even* | 09:20 |
| rburton | ptsneves: is this in the context of the -src package? | 09:22 |
| ptsneves | @rburton yes and the fact it triggers buildpaths qa | 09:23 |
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| rburton | ptsneves: if so i'm 50/50 on patching flex to take a map vs just post-processing the -src with a search-and-replace | 09:23 |
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| ptsneves | @rburton lol me too that is why i ask. I guess the tipping point is whether this is expected to happen in other packages, or has been found already | 09:24 |
| ptsneves | on the other hand i do not see this as an issue in actual binaries due to gcc itself having the map feature | 09:24 |
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| qschulz | wkawka: you ran the git clone *manually* *inside* kas-container? | 09:26 |
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| wkawka | it was outside it, i will try to enter it | 09:27 |
| rburton | ptsneves: it's entirely a generated source problem, but also hits other tools like the glib enum/marshal generators | 09:27 |
| rburton | wkawka: what specifically can't access any host | 09:27 |
| wkawka | it cannot clone even poky | 09:28 |
| rburton | what is it | 09:28 |
| qschulz | rburton: kas-container I assume | 09:28 |
| rburton | what *specifically* are you trying to do. | 09:29 |
| rburton | literally just docker into the kas-container then git clone? | 09:29 |
| qschulz | wkawka: don't you have a company proxy or something in place? have you tried with *any* container (like, debian:bullseye or something like that) | 09:29 |
| wkawka | i'm trying to run kas-container shell with ssh keys set | 09:29 |
| qschulz | wkawka: let's first make sure poky clones inside it, and it does not require ssh keys to do so (except if you have a mirror which can only be access with ssh keys?) | 09:31 |
| qschulz | accessed* | 09:31 |
| wkawka | how can i manually run the container, i tried something like `docker run ghcr.io/siemens/kas/kas:3.0.2 shell /path/to/kas/file` | 09:35 |
| wkawka | I can't do this in the standard way, it cannot reslove hosts and then I cannot enter shell | 09:36 |
| Guest53 | Is anyone able to download yocto-docs from the server? | 09:38 |
| Guest53 | certificate expired error | 09:38 |
| Guest53 | maybe that is from server side.. | 09:39 |
| Guest53 | https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-docs/ | 09:39 |
| qschulz | Guest53: which git clone are you trying out? | 09:39 |
| qschulz | out of the three | 09:39 |
| Guest53 | yes | 09:39 |
| ptsneves | rburton: i am afraid that if we made a patch with the map option no-one would know about it and not use the functionality | 09:42 |
| Guest53 | do you have a newsletter? | 09:42 |
| ptsneves | i limited the scope of my current task to just get the project to build and if you change your mind about adding a map feature let me know. | 09:42 |
| qschulz | Guest53: what's the command you're using? because I don't have an issue here | 09:43 |
| Guest53 | git clone https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-docs/ | 09:43 |
| Guest53 | Okay let me try in another environment then | 09:43 |
| Guest53 | thanks | 09:44 |
| qschulz | Guest53: this is not a valid address for the git repo | 09:45 |
| qschulz | Guest53: where did you see git clone with this address? | 09:45 |
| qschulz | Guest53: at the bottom of: https://git.yoctoproject.org/yocto-docs/ you get the URLs you can use | 09:45 |
| qschulz | but I guess since https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-docs/ does a redirect to https://git.yoctoproject.org/yocto-docs/ which is a valid URL, it shoudl work? | 09:46 |
| Guest53 | works now, thanks | 09:46 |
| Guest53 | tried this one git://git.yoctoproject.org/yocto-docs and it works | 09:46 |
| qschulz | Guest53: where did you find this command? so we can fix it if it's somewhere in our docs or websites | 09:46 |
| qschulz | (the one with https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-docs/) | 09:46 |
| Guest53 | well, I looked here https://git.yoctoproject.org/yocto-docs/about/ about page | 09:47 |
| Guest53 | "Git repository: https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-docs/" | 09:47 |
| Guest53 | but that is okay | 09:47 |
| Guest53 | web front end | 09:47 |
| Guest53 | I didn't think before running git clone | 09:48 |
| qschulz | Guest53: we should fix this IMO, will send a patch, thanks for the report | 09:48 |
| Guest53 | glad to help | 09:48 |
| qschulz | halstead: hi o/ I was wondering if there's some issues in redirect or git server handling or whatever it could be | 09:52 |
| qschulz | halstead: https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-docs redirects (301) to https://git.yoctoproject.org/yocto-docs | 09:53 |
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| qschulz | halstead: however, git clone https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-docs does not work | 09:53 |
| qschulz | halstead: but git clone https://git.yoctoproject.org/yocto-docs does | 09:53 |
| qschulz | Is it actually supposed to work? Did it use to work? Is this something we want to fix? | 09:53 |
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| rburton | Guessing git doesn't follow redirects? | 10:55 |
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| Tyaku | Hi, is it possible in a yocto receipe do call "mvn package" in order to generate a .jar file on a JAVA mvn project ? | 12:23 |
| Tyaku | I found this page: https://www.openembedded.org/wiki/JavaRecipeHowto But i'm not realy sure it's what i am looking for | 12:24 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Tyaku: technically everything is possible. how much beating java and maven need in order to play along nicely, no idea. | 12:44 |
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| bigendian | hi, how to set sylink rtc -> rtc1 in zeus ? | 12:57 |
| bigendian | *symlink | 12:58 |
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| ptsneves | does anybody know of a quick and dirty way to dump variables of a configure in yocto? | 13:04 |
| qschulz | ptsneves: of a configure? | 13:05 |
| ptsneves | in the configure step of cmake | 13:05 |
| ptsneves | :) | 13:05 |
| Tyaku | I would like to call "mvn package" in a yocto recipe, is it possible ? (mvn should be a command from the HOST (computer)) | 13:06 |
| ptsneves | Tyaku: if you are feeling brave add it to the hosttools. | 13:07 |
| ptsneves | or maybe there is a mvn-native recipe somewhere | 13:07 |
| qschulz | https://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/recipe/67894/ | 13:08 |
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| qschulz | Tyaku: ptsneves: ^ add a DEPENDS += "maven-native" in your recipe I guess? | 13:09 |
| ptsneves | yep | 13:09 |
| qschulz | (and add this layer or copy the relevant files (recipe, include files, additional files, etc..) | 13:09 |
| ptsneves | yep :) | 13:13 |
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| Tyaku | Thanks qschulz, i'm watching it now. | 13:18 |
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| rburton | ptsneves: bitbake -e will show you the data store. | 13:38 |
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| ptsneves | why does systemd's systemd.pc root_prefix empty even when using usrmerge? | 14:10 |
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| ptsneves | fixing the ROOTPREFIX_NOSLASH would remove meta/recipes-core/systemd/systemd/0001-Move-sysusers.d-sysctl.d-binfmt.d-modules-load.d-to-.patch | 14:16 |
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| Tyaku | Thanks qschulz it works like a charm. I put DEPENDS += "maven-native openjdk-8-native" and then in configure i'm able to do this: export JAVA_HOME=${WORKDIR}/recipe-sysroot-native/usr/lib/jvm/openjdk-8-native ${WORKDIR}/recipe-sysroot-native/usr/bin/mvn package. Then it's only install stuff to put the JAR where I want. | 14:29 |
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| qschulz | Tyaku: :+1: | 14:44 |
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| ramacassis[m] | Hi everyone, the project I am working on needs to build a recipe (u-boot) in both a dev and release version. | 15:13 |
| ramacassis[m] | Looking for best practices: | 15:13 |
| ramacassis[m] | it is better to create two distinct recipes "u-boot-dev.bb" and "u-boot-rel.bb" that set some specific variables before calling a common file "u-boot.inc". | 15:14 |
| ramacassis[m] | Or to keep a unique recipe "u-boot.bb", with default variables, and use local.conf to override some of them ? | 15:14 |
| ramacassis[m] | In the end I do either: | 15:14 |
| ramacassis[m] | bitbake u-boot-dev (or -rel) # the relevant vars are already set in recipe | 15:14 |
| ramacassis[m] | OR, ./compile-u-boot.sh dev (or rel) # the script add relevant vars in local.conf, then calls $ bitbake u-boot | 15:14 |
| qschulz | ramacassis[m]: you should use two different distro | 15:20 |
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| ramacassis[m] | that's the keyword I was looking for, way better now. Thanks qschulz ! | 15:33 |
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| vmeson | JaMa: it's a holiday in Ontario, Canada today so please ask again tomorrow. IIRC, we have lots of memory on our builders and the memory pressure only happens if you start to swap. | 16:49 |
| JaMa | vmeson: ok, thanks, I have 128G in 64thread builder and it used to be OK, but now it triggers OOMK (without lots of swap) if /proc/pressure can back-off a bit before this happens it would be great | 16:51 |
| vmeson | JaMa: Using too low a limit (cpu/io) can slow down an isolated build and if there is other activity causing io/cpu pressure, then regulating your own pressure can *really* make a build slower. | 16:51 |
| JaMa | I also plan to test the ninja approach from agherzan, because chromium is usually the reason for too much presure in my builds (and if I happend to run 2 chromium do_compile at the same time) then bitbake not starting any other task won't be enough to prevent swap+OOMK | 16:53 |
| JaMa | while ninja can react faster and on more fine grain level inside the do_compile | 16:53 |
| vmeson | JaMa: interesting. we've been running on 24/56 core systems with 64 / 128 GB RAM respectively. | 16:54 |
| JaMa | so -j 24/-j 56 without hyperthreading? or double that? | 16:54 |
| vmeson | JaMa: 2x chromium builds is just asking for trouble! ;-) We'll see what we can figure out. Note that Aryaman is a summer intern and his term is over in 2 weeks. | 16:54 |
| JaMa | nodejs+chromium at the same time is similar story | 16:56 |
| vmeson | JaMa: we've done a variety of builds from -j24/56 respectively to -j 8/12 when running 3 builds at once. I'll get Aryaman to share some of our perf data tomorrow. | 16:56 |
| JaMa | I'm updating the test-oe-build-time results now as well | 16:57 |
| vmeson | JaMa: yeah, we need ninja/make to have a mode where they limit the jobs issued. There is already -l for ninja/make and while that helps it's very slow to respond due to the 1 minute averaging. | 16:57 |
| * vmeson goes back on his "socialist" summer holiday. ;-) | 16:58 | |
| JaMa | thanks and enjoy :) | 16:58 |
| * JaMa had load >420 yesterday and it was more than a minute, but not sure if ninja would get enough attention from cpu to actually notice that :) | 16:59 | |
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| vmeson | JaMa: 420 is clearly too high! ;-) | 17:04 |
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| halstead | qschulz: The cgit browser URLs like https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-docs were never able to be cloned as far as I know. | 18:01 |
| halstead | qschulz: Even back when that was the correct URL for cgit the clone url was git clone https://git.yoctoproject.org/git/yocto-docs. | 18:03 |
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| JPEW | Has anyone seen errors like `FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/mnt/sstate/99/sigtask.wq6gkrm7' -> '/mnt/sstate/99/sstate:hdparm::9.48:r0::3:990d8b39c15752a2dd68369cb3609283_unpack.tgz.siginfo'` when using sstate over NFS? | 19:52 |
| JPEW | I think maybe I have so many builds there is a small chance that the unique temporary filename (wq6gkrm7) is not unique and it races with another builder | 19:52 |
| JPEW | (esp. since all the sigtasks must be unique for a given directory) | 19:53 |
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| JPEW | Hmm, `mkstemp()` generates the "unique" portion by using the current timestamp, so I think this is entirely possible to conflict | 20:00 |
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| rburton | but surely mkstemp is race-free as it returns a fd? | 20:19 |
| JPEW | Ah, but we don't leave the FD open while renaming it, so it's not atomic | 20:20 |
| JPEW | (and I'm not sure that would work properly over NFS anyway) | 20:20 |
| rburton | i've been told it should work over nfs, but i've been told many things about nfs | 20:20 |
| JPEW | rburton: Ya. It's worth a try. The rename-while-open and O_EXCL both have to work over NFS for it to work properly | 20:21 |
| JPEW | Sent a patch | 20:34 |
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| Xagen | is there a way to tell which package provided a package listed in the manifest? | 20:57 |
| Xagen | the one i'm looking for is a dependency for something, i'm just not sure what specifically | 20:57 |
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| rburton | Xagen: you can try my new toy https://gitlab.com/rossburton/pkgexp to see if it works for your use-case. | 21:36 |
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| Xagen | rburton: will do, thanks! | 21:44 |
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