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| Guest3236 | Hi everyone! I have a small question. Can I use Yocto for non embedded purposes? | 08:16 |
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| qschulz | Guest63: how do you get the firmware blob built into the kernel without DEPENDS on the firmware?? | 08:40 |
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| ptsneves | good morning all | 08:44 |
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| ptsneves | does anybody have a clue why a rundeptaskdeps may change during build leading to taskhash mismatch out of the blue? | 09:02 |
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| ptsneves | hmm can it be that addtask referencing tasks that are deltask causes it? I am having issues with meta-environment and i see: | 09:14 |
| ptsneves | addtask generate_content before do_install after do_compile | 09:14 |
| ptsneves | deltask do_compile | 09:14 |
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| DarkKnight | Hi all, sstate-cache is architecture dependent or machine dependent or...? I want to save sstate-cache, and I'm wondering how should I classify the directories to do so. By arch or machine or..? | 09:16 |
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| qschulz | DarkKnight: share the whole directory between all your projects, nothing to think about :) | 09:17 |
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| RobertBerger | There are rumors that the gitsm fetcher is instable. Is this the case? RP? | 10:03 |
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| rburton | not really | 10:04 |
| rburton | we use it a lot | 10:04 |
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| RP | RobertBerger: it is much better than it was | 10:08 |
| * RP still doesn't like it | 10:08 | |
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| landgraf | RobertBerger: it has few limitations in corner cases | 10:20 |
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| jclsn | I am just wondering: What is actually achieved by the virtual-binds recipe being built by default? | 10:39 |
| jclsn | It seems like a portion of the /var partition that is writeable, although the / partition including /var is read-only, which is not persistent | 10:39 |
| jclsn | So like a storage for files that need to be written, but are not important enough to keep around | 10:40 |
| jclsn | Thus it will get in the way of my persistent backlight problem and I should probably remove virtual-binds. I am just wondering what consequences that might have, because there is probably a good reason for it to be activated by default | 10:41 |
| qschulz | jclsn: probably for kernel logs/syslogs to persist and help debugging | 10:42 |
| jclsn | But it is not persistent | 10:42 |
| qschulz | My bad, didn't read carefully the message :/ | 10:46 |
| qschulz | but that would be an answer, many programs actually need to write to /var/log, and I assume they probably assume it's writeable | 10:46 |
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| jclsn | hmm pity that no one is here that has in-depth knowledge about volatile-binds | 10:53 |
| jclsn | RP: ? | 10:53 |
| jclsn | qschulz: No need to apologize. You are trying to be helpful as always. Thank you :) | 10:57 |
| qschulz | jclsn: it's a bit hard to find a compromise between answering/trying to guide fast and leaving it unanswered | 10:58 |
| qschulz | I usually try to spend some time if I see the last question hasn't been answered for a few hours or something | 10:59 |
| jclsn | But you should not feel responsible for my problems | 10:59 |
| qschulz | maybe other people do work the same way and I basically make it harder for you to get proper help | 10:59 |
| qschulz | who knows /me shrugs | 10:59 |
| jclsn | No, you are very helpful most of the time | 11:00 |
| jclsn | Even now you were. I just have not found my solution yet | 11:00 |
| RP | jclsn: I don't know that code | 11:04 |
| RP | our history is very small devices with flash where you didn't want a ton of writes to the rootfs so this probably stems from that | 11:05 |
| jclsn | Your answer actually makes sense. I think the volatile-binds are there for logs and host keys etc. Since we have the read-only rootfs the host key get lost after every reboot, because the voltile binds are not persistent. But they make debugging during one boot possible. So I guess the most easy way is to get rid of the volatile-binds, use a separate read-write /var partition and if I want to have | 11:05 |
| jclsn | some ultra-persistent configurations, I can use an overlayfs from my /data partition | 11:05 |
| jclsn | RP: So reduce the number of logs being stored you guess? | 11:05 |
| RP | jclsn: I'm totally guessing but yes. Keep in mind this stuff has been messed around for over a decade too so it is also possible the setup is now just a bit corrupted | 11:06 |
| jclsn | RP: I thought you were the ultra guru to poke here. If not you, who is it? ^^ Are they gone already | 11:07 |
| jclsn | ? | 11:07 |
| RP | jclsn: No one person knows everything about the system. I'm one of the few of the early people left and I do my best to try and keep everything going the write way but with the shear scope and number of directions the project gets pulled, it is challenging :/ | 11:08 |
| RP | people don't realise that often to answer a "simple" question like this I'd have to spend an hour remembering things about it and/or spend that time reading logs and the history | 11:10 |
| jclsn | RP: I understand. Is the project being funded btw? I mean no one can maintain this in their free time in the long run | 11:10 |
| RP | jclsn: I'm funded and we do have a few others but mostly not focused on active development | 11:10 |
| qschulz | jclsn: funds aside, RP has been working too much for too long already. We're lacking contributors/maintainers/reviewers for a long time now :/ | 11:10 |
| RP | jclsn: for me the problem is burnout. I can't do everything (or know everything) | 11:11 |
| jclsn | qschulz: I would really like to but my current company does only care for our internal tickets | 11:11 |
| qschulz | and having RP digging into things, amplifies this issue because then we don't grow the knowledge base among contributors/users and this increases even more the pressure on the single point of failure :/ | 11:12 |
| qschulz | jclsn: it was not specifically directed at you, just to be clear :) | 11:12 |
| landgraf | jclsn: according to original commit message volatile-binds is for systemd-enabled systems only | 11:12 |
| RP | jclsn: there are a lot of companies doing that and assuming someone else will make the upstream work :/ | 11:12 |
| landgraf | I guess it can be disabled if you don't have one | 11:12 |
| jclsn | RP: Yeah I know that feeling. I have been renovating my flat the past 9 monts, working full-time plus some hobby projects, plus trying to have some free time | 11:12 |
| jclsn | I wouldn't know how to do this if I had a family | 11:13 |
| jclsn | And I guess some of you do | 11:13 |
| RP | landgraf: that sounds right and would explain why I have a gap in knowledge as I try and avoid systemd :D | 11:13 |
| landgraf | RP: Today will be my last bug triage meetign as huawei employee btw :-( | 11:13 |
| RP | landgraf: I'm really sorry to hear that, you've done some really useful/helpful things | 11:14 |
| landgraf | I'd keep bug assigned to me for now but I don't know yet if I'll find something YP related | 11:14 |
| jclsn | RP: I know, I also think they should treat the environment they live and work in with more reciprocity | 11:15 |
| RP | landgraf: YP skills are very much in demand so I hope so! :) | 11:15 |
| RP | jclsn: Yocto Project is having a bit of a membership recruitment drive at the moment as we know the current situation is going to end badly | 11:15 |
| landgraf | RP: will see. I really like the project (taking into account I saw yocto for the first time one year ago :D ) | 11:15 |
| landgraf | so my yocto skills are quite limited by fixing small bugs here and there | 11:16 |
| jclsn | RP: Membership recruitment drive? | 11:17 |
| RP | landgraf: I wouldn't underestimate yourself as you have dived into some complex things which many others struggle with. Seeing new people getting involved is one of the things which gives me hope for the future! | 11:17 |
| RP | jclsn: trying to increase https://www.yoctoproject.org/ecosystem/members/ | 11:18 |
| landgraf | jclsn: many companies use YP without contributing fixes/patches/enhancements back to the project. | 11:20 |
| landgraf | which doubles work of all parties involved. Sharing is better | 11:21 |
| jclsn | RP: Oh only industry giants or FAANGs mostly | 11:22 |
| qschulz | landgraf: upstreaming costs money/time in short term and not all employees are willing to do it without it being enforced company policy | 11:22 |
| landgraf | qschulz: I know this unfortunately | 11:22 |
| landgraf | downstream patches are evil :) | 11:23 |
| qschulz | landgraf: and they cost so much in the long run | 11:26 |
| landgraf | qschulz: I/ve been workeing mostly with opensource so "Upsteam first!" was the main rule | 11:27 |
| jclsn | I have been telling my colleagues and boss a long time to use open-source BSPs and invest our time there, but we are still using NXP BSP, Vivante and Chromium instead of Etnaviv and webkit | 11:27 |
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| jclsn | I would rather work on those issues there with you than to write something in this nasty NXP forum, which constantly inserts line breaks and messes with the text written | 11:29 |
| jclsn | I think NXP is trying their best though. No bad blood | 11:29 |
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| agherzan | sakoman45: I'd like to propose a backport of https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-core/message/169762 in kirkstone | 13:21 |
| agherzan | Not only that specific patch but the entire series without the restructuring | 13:21 |
| agherzan | Mainly: | 13:22 |
| agherzan | 1. shadow sub id files | 13:22 |
| agherzan | 2. patch for shadow nss | 13:22 |
| agherzan | 3. cleanup subid files in the current implementation (without rewriting things) | 13:22 |
| agherzan | Would that be acceptable? | 13:22 |
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| landgraf | agherzan: backport and send with branch prefix and CC Steve ? I think it's the way docs suggest | 13:51 |
| agherzan | landgraf: indeed. I was looking for an initial assessment that this is deemed reasonable for kirkstone | 13:52 |
| landgraf | agherzan: otherwise you may want to repeat your question as sakoman just joined IRC channel :) | 13:53 |
| landgraf | not sure how matrix integration works (or doesn't work) here :-/ | 13:53 |
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| Guest63 | Hi qschulz | 14:41 |
| Guest63 | I was able to build i915 firmware into kernel image by adding `RDEPENDS_${PN} += " linux-firmware-i915 "` in kernel recipe | 14:41 |
| Guest63 | but the downside is this installs firmware in rootfs | 14:42 |
| rburton | thats because you set it as a runtime depends, so it's doing exactly what you want | 14:44 |
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| qschulz | Guest63: you didn't answer the question :) | 14:46 |
| qschulz | how did you get the firmware built into the kernel binary? | 14:46 |
| qschulz | because RDEPENDS is definitely not the way to go for this to happen and I'm wondering how you did it | 14:46 |
| qschulz | (DEPENDS on linux-firmware is the only correct way BTW) | 14:47 |
| qschulz | and you don't need any RDEPENDS because that's not what you want and it's not needed anyway if you correctly put the firmware blob inside the kernel binary | 14:48 |
| qschulz | (I'm genuinely asking how you did it, so we can work from there to undo or adapt what's been done so far into something that could work) | 14:49 |
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| Guest63 | sorry if i am not clear enough | 14:57 |
| Guest63 | your questions reminds me something , which am testing now | 14:58 |
| Guest63 | Please give me 5-10 minutes to get back you | 14:58 |
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| landgraf | RP: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13278 Should I steal this one from you? I think it maybe fixed already worth checking | 15:04 |
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| RP | landgraf: happy to have help there :) | 15:16 |
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| Guest63 | Hi qschulz | 15:33 |
| Guest63 | sorry for the delay | 15:33 |
| Guest63 | I have `MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS_remove = "linux-firmware"` in my machine config | 15:33 |
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| Guest63 | I have `PACKAGE_INSTALL_append = "linux-firmware-i915"` in my image recipe | 15:35 |
| qschulz | Guest63: this still does not build the kernel with the firmware in it | 15:36 |
| qschulz | Guest63: can you explain exactly what you're trying to do? | 15:36 |
| qschulz | (I'll soon be afk till tomorrow) | 15:36 |
| Guest63 | and I have one task in one task sets CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE_DIR | 15:38 |
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| Guest63 | task is firmware_path is ordered like this | 15:38 |
| Guest63 | firmware_path after do_configure before do_compile | 15:38 |
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| qschulz | what is the value of CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE_DIR? | 15:38 |
| Guest63 | ${STAGING_DIR_TARGET}/${base_libdir}/firmware/ | 15:39 |
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| qschulz | Guest63: ok, adding DEPENDS = "linux-firmware" in your kernel recipe should be enough | 15:43 |
| qschulz | DEPENDS += probably also | 15:43 |
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| hushmoney | meta-xilinx provides a recipe which they want you to specify SRC_URI from machine config as in HDF_PATH ?= "...", but if i use https:// then bitbake fails due to no SRC_URI[sha256sum]. i wonder how can i set SRC_URI[sha256sum] from machine conf? | 16:11 |
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| hushmoney | if i use SRC_URI:pn-external-hdf[sha256sum] then i see the value in bitbake -e external-hdf, but when i try to build it still fails | 16:18 |
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| Guest63 | qschulz: Thanks a lot | 16:22 |
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| ariel__ | I got kmscube working on an Intel Apollo, does this mean that Qt egl_kms should work ? | 16:31 |
| ariel__ | I want to avoid the hassle, or take it as a good hint | 16:31 |
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| moto-timo | New to me: FlexiBLAS https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FlexiBLAS_as_BLAS/LAPACK_manager | 18:11 |
| moto-timo | https://github.com/mpimd-csc/flexiblas | 18:12 |
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| rburton | Anyone going to ELC-E next month? | 21:47 |
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