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| qschulz | Happy New Year every one, wishing you health and successful hacking this year | 09:15 |
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| mckoan | Happy 2023 qschulz, everyone | 10:07 |
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| michaelo | Thanks qschulz! May your wishes come true for all of us :) | 10:14 |
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| tunahan | Hello, I want to install the available debian deb packages on Yocto. How can I do that? I've created recipes for it, but I'm getting this error: "Nothing RPROVIDES 'libcurl3-gnutls_7.74'" | 11:53 |
| qschulz | tunahan: you probably shouldn't install a debian package on Yocto | 11:55 |
| qschulz | it's very likely the dependencies will be in completely different versions | 11:56 |
| qschulz | in yocto than what is used in debian | 11:56 |
| tunahan | qschulz: but there are versions that the software we use is obligatory. Actually, after compiling yocto, I can install the same dep files with the "dpkg -i" command, but I want it to be installed during the construction phase and not interfere with the system after installation. | 11:57 |
| tunahan | qschulz: Please tell me if I didn't explain properly, maybe my English is not good enough. I will try to explain again. | 11:59 |
| qschulz | tunahan: how this is usually done is to send a Yocto SDK of your image to your software provider and ask them to rebuild the binary with it, then you add the binary in your layer | 12:01 |
| qschulz | tunahan: fundamentally what you're trying to do is install a Debian package on a Fedora distribution | 12:03 |
| qschulz | (Fedora being your Yocto distribution, it's just something to make it easier to understand) | 12:03 |
| qschulz | could it work? yes. Should you? mmm no :) | 12:03 |
| tunahan | qschulz: actually we are also the software producer :D That unit didn't want to do that job just because of the workload. so I wanted to follow an alternative method. If this alternative method cannot be done, I can force the relevant unit for compatibility :D | 12:04 |
| qschulz | tunahan: ok then create a recipe from the source code and build within Yocto directly | 12:04 |
| qschulz | more effort first, but MUCH better | 12:04 |
| qschulz | if you have access to the debian package source code, you can figure out how they are building it and create the recipe yourself | 12:05 |
| qschulz | for some very big projects, it might take a few additional recipes to be created first | 12:05 |
| qschulz | i hope it's not some python/javascript/node/go/rust project because this can requires a lot of non-trivial recipes to be created | 12:05 |
| tunahan | this is also a limitation, because I couldn't find the source code of several packages like java and it doesn't exist. I was wondering if I could do the work I did with "dpkg -i" on the embedded system after the build, during bitbake. but i guess that is not possible. I will build first and then I will ask them to compile again on the embedded system, right? | 12:07 |
| qschulz | tunahan: no, ask them for the sources and how they are building it, which dependencies it requires and add them to your layer | 12:08 |
| qschulz | because the next time you upgrade your layers, you'll have to have them build on the target again (or via the SDK) | 12:09 |
| qschulz | the SDK is the lesser evil short term, but I would really recommend building from sources directly in yocto | 12:09 |
| qschulz | (-c populate_sdk is what you're after to create an SDK) | 12:09 |
| qschulz | (see docs also on how to do it, don't have a link at hand but shouldn't be too hard to find it on docs.yoctoproject.org) | 12:10 |
| tunahan | qschulz: If you're telling me to get it from my team, the source code is like this, a code written in qt5. How can I add the source code for this? | 12:10 |
| qschulz | tunahan: you need to create a recipe for it in your layer | 12:10 |
| qschulz | also you'll very liklely need to add meta-qt5 layer to your yocto setup | 12:11 |
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| tunahan | qschulz: Well, I want to ask one more question. For example, the software compiled by our team in QT5 is dependent on libcrypto1.1, but I cannot build Yocto with the libcrypto1.1 library. It is based on libcrypto3.0. how do i solve this? | 12:16 |
| qschulz | tunahan: you ask your team to move to openssl3 | 12:18 |
| qschulz | (this is not entirely a joke, since openssl 1.1.1 is EOL in October 2023) | 12:18 |
| qschulz | c.f. https://www.openssl.org/policies/releasestrat.html | 12:18 |
| qschulz | tunahan: you can meanwhile do the same trick that was done long time ago with openssl 1.0: https://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/recipe/98537/ | 12:19 |
| qschulz | and adapt it to build openssl 1.1 | 12:19 |
| tunahan | qschulz: Yes we tried this but QT5 depends on openssl1.1 and does not recognize openssl3. QT6 recognizes openssl3, but switching to QT6 causes a lot of corruption in the code. | 12:20 |
| qschulz | see https://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/zeus/layer/meta-openssl102/ also | 12:20 |
| qschulz | tunahan: check how meta-qt5 is handling this | 12:20 |
| qschulz | tunahan: I assume it might just work with openssl3? | 12:22 |
| qschulz | (if you don't do crazy stuff outside of qt5?) | 12:22 |
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| qschulz | meta-qt5 seems to enable openssl3 by default in the master branch | 12:23 |
| tunahan | qschulz: Then I'll have to try and see as you said. Now I have to find a way to bitbake that huge QT5-written source code. | 12:23 |
| qschulz | tunahan: look at other qt recipes | 12:23 |
| qschulz | I think you mainly need to inherit qmake first | 12:23 |
| qschulz | inherit qmake5 and probably pkgconfig too | 12:25 |
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| tunahan | qschulz: Ok. I'm going on a big journey now. Let's see where it will end. I hope it turns out as we think. Thanks everything. | 12:27 |
| qschulz | tunahan: good luck, come back to tell us how it's going :) | 12:28 |
| qschulz | (also if you're creating a new layer/product, please use something supported, like Dunfell, Kirkstone or Langdale (preference on the first two since they are supported for longer)) | 12:29 |
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| tunahan | qschulz: I use Kirkstone. It will probably go the longest. | 12:32 |
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| kanavin | qschulz, if someone is creating a new layer or product, the preference should be on following master | 13:05 |
| kanavin | settling on a LTS branch is counter-productive in the long term | 13:06 |
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| qschulz | kanavin: depends on your time to market, also starting on master when you're starting with Yocto might not be the easiest since you might have to debug things in recipes/core. but otherwise agree yes :) | 14:11 |
| kanavin | qschulz, the market will eventually ask for a software update for your product :) | 14:13 |
| kanavin | and things are heading towards legislation for that too | 14:13 |
| qschulz | kanavin: what happens if you want to release before current master gets a release? | 14:18 |
| qschulz | basing on master makes sense if we're talking about months/years of work. otherwise, LTS is fine. But also.. I'm taking care of very small BSP layers, so not much to do for me :) | 14:19 |
| kanavin | qschulz, you then base at the bifurcation point of master and latest stable release | 14:21 |
| kanavin | that's what i do when customers ask for e.g. 'kirkstone' | 14:22 |
| kanavin | I do not give them latest kirkstone, I give them kirkstone when it was pointing to the same commit as master, for the last time | 14:22 |
| kanavin | then they can take both paths if they so wish | 14:23 |
| qschulz | kanavin: meh, this offsets some work and decision to the client. And sometimes they just take whatever you give them without thinking too much | 14:27 |
| qschulz | c.f. the so many "oh but my vendor only gives me X version of Yocto" | 14:27 |
| qschulz | and there, by giving them pre-kirkstone-4.0 you basically provide them with a product stack that is basically already vulnerable to security issues that are already fixed | 14:28 |
| qschulz | I guess it depends where you decide to draw the line between your work as a software provider and where the client needs to start working on stuff | 14:28 |
| kanavin | qschulz, they would have to update to latest LTS anyway on a regular basis. Giving them a stack that can be taken in both directions is in the long term interests of any vendor. Even if they do not know it yet. | 14:29 |
| kanavin | (both directions means one branch for LTS point releases, another for master milestones) | 14:29 |
| qschulz | kanavin: yeah, ideally you should always have a latest release and master branches for your software and fix bugs as they come | 14:30 |
| kanavin | what you suggest on the other hand, perpetuates this awful situation where someone is stuck on an ancient yocto, and can't benefit from latest developments and security | 14:31 |
| qschulz | don't have a real need for BSP layers (maybe I'm mistaken), and don't have the bandwidth to handle all of this myself though. But best practice, for sure :) | 14:31 |
| kanavin | even if *right now* it is still in the LTS window | 14:31 |
| qschulz | kanavin: yeah, I get that. Difficult for me to recommend starting on "untested" master branch for someone who starts with Yocto | 14:31 |
| kanavin | qschulz, I think base release tags are the bifurcation point, so it's quite tested by then | 14:32 |
| qschulz | kanavin: https://git.theobroma-systems.com/yocto-layers/meta-theobroma-systems-bsp.git/tree/kas-theobroma.yml is what I provide in our BSP layers | 14:34 |
| qschulz | (kirkstone does not have your setup tool, will maybe migrate for next release) | 14:34 |
| qschulz | so I'm working on 4.0.6 upgrade now | 14:35 |
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| Payam | hi | 16:04 |
| Payam | What are those .done files when downloading stuff? | 16:04 |
| Payam | DL_DIR | 16:04 |
| Payam | Can I safely remove them? | 16:04 |
| qschulz | Payam: you need it | 16:06 |
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| Payam | I want to upload downloads to s3. Do I really need them to be there? | 16:06 |
| qschulz | Payam: c.f. https://docs.yoctoproject.org/bitbake/bitbake-user-manual/bitbake-user-manual-fetching.html#the-download-fetch | 16:07 |
| qschulz | Payam: no you don't need to upload those to s3 if you plan to host a PREMIRRORS there | 16:07 |
| qschulz | you need to use BB_GENERATE_MIRROR_TARBALLS to properly generate what to send to s3 | 16:08 |
| qschulz | c.f. https://docs.yoctoproject.org/bitbake/bitbake-user-manual/bitbake-user-manual-ref-variables.html#term-BB_GENERATE_MIRROR_TARBALLS | 16:08 |
| qschulz | Payam: follow the docs: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/dev-manual/common-tasks.html#setting-up-effective-mirrors | 16:09 |
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