| paulg | oooh, ooh, Does it use eBPF? 'cause then I'm all in. | 00:00 |
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| applepi | Can someone help explain to me the correct process for updating an image after I've generated one? ie. if I build imagename-minimal, and then want to change a recipe and then have that recipe rebuild and then that trigger rebuilding the output images, how could I do that? Every way I've tried has broken my system beyond repair and I give up and | 02:39 |
| applepi | have to start from scratch | 02:39 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 06:36 |
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| Entei[m] | Why do some packages get built and packaged even though they are not specified to built and not even dependencies for other programs? For eg, I am building the command line image, yet bitbake fetches and builds packages like wayland and gnome-testing. It just wastes a bunch of time, especially during completely fresh build | 06:50 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Entei[m]: bitbake -g $YOURFUNKYIMAGE, then inspect the resulting dependency dot files. | 07:43 |
| Entei[m] | LetoThe2nd: Will try this. Thanks | 07:44 |
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| Guest7022 | Hello everyone | 07:50 |
| dacav | This question might be a little OT, but I'll try anyway. Is there a way to pre-expand a ubi image, knowing the final mtd partition size, so the partition image is completely determined when I flash it? | 07:50 |
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| LetoThe2nd | dacav: i don't think so, because that would effectively put bad blocks handling ad absurdum. but maybe @derRichard can chime in for a second. | 07:53 |
| derRichard | dacav: what do you mean by "pre-expand"? you can always set the leb counter and not set the autoresize flag for an ubi volume. | 07:56 |
| derRichard | since on nand you can and will have bad blocks, it will never be completely deterministic. your flasher has to skip these blocks | 07:56 |
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| dacav | derRichard: I'm aiming at doing a crypto verification of the whole image. The image is verified upon boot, but if it is changed to use the whole mtd partition, the second time I boot it will not have the same signature, I believe. | 08:47 |
| derRichard | dacav: this is doomed to failure. ubi will always change the on flash data | 08:48 |
| dacav | derRichard: good to know :D | 08:48 |
| derRichard | do verification of the ubi volume itself | 08:48 |
| dacav | Something like extracting the data from the ubi volume and verifying that? | 08:49 |
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| derRichard | yeah. you can read from /dev/ubiX_Y | 08:50 |
| dacav | But will it always change data even if the ubi image will only have static volumes on a NOR? | 08:50 |
| dacav | As I understand it, in such situation it will always have PEBs assigned to a volume, and the EC will never change (no erasures). | 08:51 |
| derRichard | well, on nor the situation is different. you'll not face bad blocks and bitflips (also no wearleveling) | 08:53 |
| derRichard | but i still think you should verify at ubi volume level | 08:54 |
| derRichard | the whole idea behind ubi is that the LEB<->PEB mapping is dynamic | 08:54 |
| dacav | I see your point. Also, I'm afraid that in order to exploit the reliability of NOR I should (as I was mentioning earlier) "pre-expand" it on the whole mtd partition, which is probably feasible only by having a tailored mtd partition? | 08:56 |
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| dacav | I forgot to thank you, derRichard :) And LetoThe2nd, too. | 09:24 |
| olani- | qschulz: Continuing the shell-script tangent, I read section "2.6 Word Expansions" of POSIX Shell & Utilities to mean that variable expansion happens before field splitting which means that 'for foo in $var; do ...' should iterate over fields in $var. Unless IFS is modified that would mean over words. Am I missing something there? | 09:25 |
| dacav | olani-: what you say looks correct. :) | 09:25 |
| dacav | in portable shell there's effectively *one* real array :), $@. That one might be useful for a correct enumeration | 09:26 |
| LetoThe2nd | dacav: have fun! | 09:28 |
| dacav | LetoThe2nd: ~heh~ I'm a little frustrated by now, but I'm enjoying the journey anyway! The knowledge gain is the underrated vantage of failure | 09:29 |
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| qschulz | olani-: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/491459 | 10:01 |
| qschulz | olani-: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/491459 | 10:12 |
| qschulz | olani-: https://zsh.sourceforge.io/FAQ/zshfaq03.html#l18 (sorry for the "repost") | 10:13 |
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| qschulz | so in short, zsh is not POSIX compliant by default, by choice | 10:13 |
| qschulz | that's my assumption | 10:13 |
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| car1t_ | o/ hello, hello. n00b Q: what do i need to DEPEND on to get kernel headers in the sysroot-native for a native recipe? | 10:30 |
| rburton | native kernel headers? | 10:31 |
| rburton | why would you want those? | 10:31 |
| car1t_ | the tool i want to build wants to #include some of those ... | 10:31 |
| rburton | we use the host libc for native stuff so you can use the host kernel headers too i guess. or extend linux-libc-headers to support native builds. | 10:36 |
| car1t_ | hmm. i see libcap-native seems to have that header: tmp/work/x86_64-linux/libcap-native/2.66-r0/recipe-sysroot-native/usr/include/sys/capability.h ... but cant see how they got it... | 10:37 |
| rburton | that's not a kernel header | 10:38 |
| rburton | that header is *provided by* libcap-native | 10:39 |
| car1t_ | ok libmicrohttpd-native/0.9.76-r0/recipe-sysroot-native/usr/include/sys/capability.h has it too ... | 10:40 |
| car1t_ | let me do some digging | 10:40 |
| rburton | if you're digging around tmp, look in sysroot-components/x86_64/libcap-native/usr/include | 10:40 |
| car1t_ | alright depending on it fixed it - of course! many thanks! Still will have to check how microhttpd pulls that in but will leave that for home work... | 10:45 |
| rburton | a dependency, somewhere | 10:45 |
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| olani- | qschulz: That is my understanding also. But surely the bitbake tasks do not run in zsh even if that is your shell? Maybe we are violently agreeing here, I felt you said you couldn't count on the field split in yocot shell tasks? | 11:39 |
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| qschulz | olani-: I do not entirely remember what is being used for bitbake, but I guess /bin/sh ? | 12:02 |
| olani- | qschulz: Possibly the system shell, but that should never be zsh anyway. | 12:05 |
| qschulz | olani-: wdym? | 12:07 |
| olani- | qschulz: Maybe system shell is not a good term? I refer to the shell used by systemd for instance, I guess it will usually be used as /bin/sh. That should be a shell that is at least mostly POSIX compliant. zsh breaks too many of the rules for it to be useful there, at least in my book. I also use zsh as my interactive shell, so this is not a knock on zsh. | 12:24 |
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| jbo | hey guys. I am failing at figuring out how I cam replace the kernel in my yocto build with a kernel I already built elsewhere (i.e. not building it via/through yocto). could somebody give me some pointers? | 12:31 |
| jbo | I have a ready-to-go uImage & zImage | 12:31 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux-dummy", essentially. | 12:39 |
| jbo | LetoThe2nd, will this lead to yocto still compiling the kernel "from source" or can I just use my externally built kernel image? | 12:44 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: this will skip the kernel and just use the headers as API | 12:44 |
| jbo | LetoThe2nd, thank you for that information. I'm fairly new to all of this coming from BSD. I fail to understand where/when I actually built the final image I can flash onto an SDcard/eMMC. I assume when I follow what you suggested to use my custom kernel image I still have to build a final image somewhere/somewhen? | 12:45 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: bitbake $YOURIMAGE builds the image. an example is core-image-minimal. be aware however that if you skip the kernel, then you have to find another way to put it in. | 12:47 |
| jbo | what exaclty would be "another way"? i.e. how would I go about doing this? | 12:48 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: writing a custom recipe. and having said that, the correct way is to not build outside yocto, but write a recipe that contains your build. | 12:52 |
| jbo | LetoThe2nd, so maybe I falling victim to the XY-Problem. Let me explain: I just acquired an ATSAMA5D27-SOM1. I want to customize the kernel and I am following microchips guide here: https://www.linux4sam.org/bin/view/Linux4SAM/Sama5d27Som1EKMainPage#Configure_and_Build_the_Linux_ke | 12:53 |
| jbo | there, they show how to build the kernel (before the Yocto section). | 12:53 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: so explain x, please. | 12:53 |
| jbo | I managed to configure & build the kernel as I need it. as I understand their linux repo contains fixes/additional-support for their devices which lead me to belive that I should build the kernel "outside" of yocto. | 12:53 |
| jbo | is that incorrect? | 12:53 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: what is X, actually? if it is "build a linux distribution using yocto for the sama5d27", then the answer is: just use meta-atmel, it includes all the magic. | 12:56 |
| jbo | LetoThe2nd, "XY-Problem" is just a concept of asking the wrong question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem | 12:56 |
| jbo | in this case: me asking how to use an existing/external kernel image rather than understanding that maybe I really shouldn't do that to begin with. | 12:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: i know. and i asked two times already what your x is. y is obviously "injecting a custom kernel" | 12:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: see https://github.com/linux4sam/meta-atmel/blob/kirkstone/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-mchp_6.1.4.bb | 12:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | that directly pulls in atmels fork. | 12:58 |
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| jbo | I see. So ran: MACHINE=sama5d27-som1-ek bitbake core-image-minimal which should be a good starting point and now I can go and modify the kernel config "inside of yocto" and it will build the modified kernel and include it into the image when I run the same command again? | 13:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: we have https://docs.yoctoproject.org/kernel-dev/common.html#configuring-the-kernel :-) | 13:01 |
| jbo | LetoThe2nd, thank you for all this information. Just too many things I'm not familiar with yet so it takes some time to figure out what I actually want/need. I appreciate your efforts. | 13:04 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: have fun! | 13:04 |
| jbo | LetoThe2nd, I just flashed the image that bitbake produced and the board seems to boot. so that's something :) | 13:04 |
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| jbo | LetoThe2nd, thanks again for your help. I managed to modify the kernel config, build & run the image successfully :) | 13:57 |
| jbo | it is not entirely clear to me where I specify which kernel to use when running bitbake $MYIMAGE yet tho. | 13:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: usually the machine conf file does that. look into meta-atmel/conf/machine | 13:58 |
| jbo | LetoThe2nd, so surely the idea isn't that I modify anything in meta-atmel, right? do I just override stuff in my <yocto_dir>/build/conf/local.conf ? | 14:01 |
| LetoThe2nd | jbo: read up on how layers work :-) | 14:01 |
| jbo | will do, thanks for the hint! | 14:02 |
| jbo | ah, that seems about right. so I just create something like meta-myproject :) | 14:03 |
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| * paulg idly wonders how the whole "meta" prefix thing came about... | 15:10 | |
| RP | paulg: a directory name in openembedded-classic I think | 15:13 |
| paulg | shame we'll have to rename everything now that facebook has trademarked "meta"... | 15:15 |
| paulg | maybe I should register "Kconfig" as a brand? | 15:16 |
| khem | yeah may be time is not bad mono-repo's are again in fashion 🙂 | 15:16 |
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| LetoThe2nd | paulg: https://www.instagram.com/p/CVley2ZN8xq/?hl=en | 15:29 |
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| vvn | hi there -- renesas-rz/meta-renesas seems to be actively maintained but is compatible with Dunfell. Any plan to bump to Kirkstone or newer in sight? | 15:48 |
| prabhakarlad | vvn: meta-renesas is maintained by Renesas. | 15:50 |
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| vvn | prabhakarlad: yep thanks I know that ;) | 15:53 |
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| barath | should layer priority govern which recipe is chosen if two layers contain an identically named and versioned recipe? | 16:09 |
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| khem | yes - see https://docs.yoctoproject.org/dev/dev-manual/layers.html#prioritizing-your-layer | 16:28 |
| barath | Hm something is interfering then | 16:40 |
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| moto-timo | As mentioned in the YPTM, python3-cryptography upgrade is failing in do_compile (fails to find Python.h include file when compiling cryptography-rust): https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky-contrib/log/?h=timo/python3-cryptography_40.0.2 | 16:47 |
| moto-timo | I haven't quite figured out how the change in OpenSSL linking is causing this. https://cryptography.io/en/latest/changelog/#v40-0-0 | 16:48 |
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| jbo | so I'm trying to create a layer for my particular device/project. I'm currenlty going throug the documentation here: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/dev/dev-manual/layers.html | 17:07 |
| jbo | however, I fail to understand how I can reuse existing recipies. | 17:07 |
| jbo | I'd like to re-use a config/recipie provided by meta-atmel and just change a couple of things such as the package list. How would I go about doing that? | 17:07 |
| rburton | look up using bbappends | 17:07 |
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| mborzecki | silly question, but IIRC with one SRC_URI = "file:/..." the SRC_URI[sha256sum] did appear to be verified, but with more than one file and using name=foo, SRC_URI[foo.sha256sum] = ".." seems to be ignored, is that known or am I hitting some obscure edge case? | 19:22 |
| rburton | file: URLs don't get verified | 19:23 |
| rburton | checksum is for stuff that is remote | 19:24 |
| mborzecki | fair enough, that would explain it | 19:29 |
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