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| * Entei[m] uploaded an image: (70KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/JXHqEAhrIlFkNRbARirKEUcg/image.png > | 04:20 | |
| Entei[m] | What does this mean? | 04:20 |
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| Entei[m] | i need zicsr and zifencei extension support on clang | 04:21 |
| Entei[m] | The wording is little confusing. Do I do this? `-menable-experimental-extensions=experimental-zicsr,experimental-zifencei' ? | 04:22 |
| Entei[m] | s/`-/\`-/, s/'/`/ | 04:23 |
| Entei[m] | * The wording is little confusing. Do I do this?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/f3087b2446521ed719c9b6eb0eb390c96d713238>) | 04:23 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 06:49 |
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| Entei[m] | khem: The [Clang RISC-V User Guide] (https://llvm.org/docs/RISCVUsage.html) mentions that llvm currently implements version 2.1 base ISA spec. However I observe 2 things :... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/60199d6e904ced1105bb5efacce924dcbb6db7f1>) | 06:56 |
| Entei[m] | s///, s///, s/// | 06:57 |
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| michalsieron | Hello, is this a right place to ask about licenses used in meta-openembedded recipes? | 07:42 |
| michalsieron | I was wondering why yasm specifies MIT license, when in the COPYING used in LIC_FILES_CHKSUM there is no mention of the MIT license. | 07:44 |
| michalsieron | https://cgit.openembedded.org/meta-openembedded/tree/meta-oe/recipes-devtools/yasm/yasm_git.bb?h=master#n2 | 07:44 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 08:14 |
| mckoan | LetoThe2nd: hey! | 08:15 |
| LetoThe2nd | michalsieron: seems like a bug | 08:16 |
| michalsieron | well, then that's weird as here is the commit that explicitly changes it https://cgit.openembedded.org/meta-openembedded/commit/meta-oe/recipes-devtools/yasm/yasm_git.bb?id=e023880905b4696dec46e942d0f9fa95f291e88e | 08:16 |
| michalsieron | and back then there was also no mention of MIT | 08:17 |
| mckoan | michalsieron: the proper LICENSE definition in the recipe is resposibility of the author. In this case 'yasm' has a complex license model as described by the COPYING file | 08:17 |
| mckoan | michalsieron: may be a bug or a typo or a misunderstanding. You can ask to the author | 08:17 |
| LetoThe2nd | michalsieron: the commit is also before the SPDX style license names. but yeah, the license structure of yasm is complex according to their document, and is definitely not appropriately represented. | 08:18 |
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| tomzy_0[m] | Hello | 09:20 |
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| tomzy_0[m] | I have problems with compiling https://github.com/nxp-imx/meta-imx/blob/hardknott-5.10.35-2.0.0/meta-ml/recipes-libraries/tensorflow-lite/tensorflow-lite_2.4.1.bb | 09:25 |
| tomzy_0[m] | It ends on `interpreter_wrapper.h:28:10: fatal error: Python.h: No such file or directory | 09:25 |
| tomzy_0[m] | | 28 | #include <Python.h>` | 09:25 |
| tomzy_0[m] | Python.h seems to be in recipe-sysroot | 09:26 |
| tomzy_0[m] | $ find . -name Python.h | 09:26 |
| tomzy_0[m] | ./recipe-sysroot-native/usr/include/python3.10/Python.h | 09:26 |
| tomzy_0[m] | ./recipe-sysroot/usr/include/python3.10/Python.h | 09:26 |
| rburton | easist thing is to tell NXP. their layer, they fix it. | 09:26 |
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| tomzy_0[m] | is that it is placed in python3.10 is a problem? is there a variable that could help to point bitbake to correct spot? | 09:27 |
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| rburton | well i presume you're using their hardknott layer with oe-core hardknott | 09:27 |
| tomzy_0[m] | sorry, wrong link | 09:28 |
| tomzy_0[m] | should be kirkstone https://github.com/nxp-imx/meta-imx/blob/kirkstone-5.15.71-2.2.0/meta-ml/recipes-libraries/tensorflow-lite/tensorflow-lite_2.9.1.bb | 09:28 |
| muhbay | REGISTER Abcd.1234 m.baykal3434@gmail.com | 09:32 |
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| muhbay | REGISTER | 09:38 |
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| Peter[m]123 | halstead: Thanks v much for the hashserver write-up (for some reason your message doesn't show up for me in Element but just found it in the IRC logs :-/) Going through it now and yes will update if we find any issues. | 10:58 |
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| muhbay | i just cloned bitbake git.openembedded.org/bitbake/. set SRC_URI. But it is not downloading. Is it normal? | 11:05 |
| muhbay | i can download SRC_URI files using fetch. fetcher = bb.fetch2.Fetch(src_uri, d) | 11:05 |
| muhbay | fetcher.download() | 11:05 |
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| rburton | muhbay: what are you actually trying to do? | 11:08 |
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| muhbay | i am trying to learn pure bitbake without openembedded. | 11:12 |
| muhbay | does SRC_URI automatically download files using poky classess? | 11:14 |
| rburton | https://a4z.gitlab.io/docs/BitBake/guide.html talks about using bitbake without OE | 11:17 |
| rburton | tends to be an academic exercise only | 11:17 |
| rburton | without oe, you need to define the fetch task | 11:17 |
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| rburton | https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/classes-global/base.bbclass#n135 is the fetch task in oe-core | 11:18 |
| muhbay | thanks. i was thinking it is a feature of bitbake. | 11:19 |
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| rburton | bitbake is the task executor (and helper functions, like the fetchers). it comes with no tasks, which is why it's mostly academic to use it without something like oe-core. | 11:20 |
| muhbay | can we use bitbake for other purposes such as building rtos? | 11:20 |
| rburton | you can use _yocto_ to build rtos, there are zephyr and freertos layers | 11:20 |
| rburton | but you can use bitbake to build anything, just define the tasks and off you go | 11:21 |
| muhbay | okay. | 11:21 |
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| yokto | Hi, does the manual cover every possible defines (I mean RDEPENDS or something similar)? Because I think I came one that I couldn't find if I'm correct | 11:28 |
| rburton | yokto: it _aims_ to. If you find something missing, file a bug ideally | 11:29 |
| yokto | So the conclusion is that the manual should cover every define. I will do that thanks | 11:31 |
| yokto | What is the official git repo? https://github.com/yoctoproject/poky is just a mirror and on https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/. I can't file anything | 11:34 |
| rburton | git.yoctoproject.org is the official git repo of poky. a git repo is just source code, github/gitlab also doing issues is part of their value-add | 11:35 |
| rburton | bugs are at bugzilla.yoctoproject.org | 11:35 |
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| yokto | got it thanks | 11:39 |
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| angman | Hi! I'm learning dependency handling in yocto. I am a little confused about how to use the depends flag vs the rdepends flag. | 13:07 |
| angman | Could you please tell me what is the difference between these two flags? | 13:07 |
| angman | bitbake-user-manual said ```The [rdepends] flag works in a similar way but takes targets in the runtime namespace instead of the build-time dependency namespace.``` , | 13:07 |
| angman | But unfortunately, I could not figure out what this meant. | 13:07 |
| angman | I created an experimental recipe, swapped the depends and rdepends flags, and observed how the output of the bitabake -g command (task-depends.dot) changed. However, the output of the bitabake -g command (task-depends.dot) does not seem to change at all when these two flags are swapped. | 13:07 |
| LetoThe2nd | angman: DEPENDS: needs to be available when the recipe is built. RDEPENDS: needs to also be installed on the target. | 13:11 |
| LetoThe2nd | angman: example: if you want to compile something written in C, then you definitely have a DEPENDS on gcc (or similar), but not an RDEPENDS. You don't need it in the resulting image. whereas a bash script that you install to /usr/bin does not need anything in DEPENDS, it can be just copied over - but it needs bash as an RDEPENDS. | 13:13 |
| angman | Thank you! but I understood DEPENDS and RDEPENDS variables. I want to understand depends and rdepends flags! | 13:14 |
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| LetoThe2nd | ah! okay, sorry for the misunderstanding. | 13:14 |
| angman | 👍 | 13:15 |
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| jnugen[m] | Hi everyone! I've got a problem that I haven't been able to find an answer to. | 13:37 |
| jnugen[m] | I have a layer that builds an image that has a bunch of packages. I would like to make a new layer that modifies the original layer to remove some of those packages. The issue I'm having is that some sub-layers have "layer.conf" files with LAYERDEPENDS in them. I need to "edit" those files to remove some of the dependencies. Is there a good/any way to edit those "layer.conf" files? | 13:37 |
| JPEW | angman: IIRC DEPENDS is basically short hand for a [depends] expression (It does other things too)... I don't recall exactly off my head but maybe something similar to `do_configure[depends] = "${@' '.join(s + ':do_populate_sysroot' for s in d.getVar("DEPENDS").split())"` | 13:42 |
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| JPEW | angman: So [depends] is the more general form, and DEPENDS uses it to do a specific task | 13:42 |
| JPEW | I believe RDEPNDS and [rdepends] have the same relationship, but it's much less common to use [rdepends] | 13:43 |
| angman | I think DEPENDS and the depends flag are quite different: DEPENDS is combined with deptask to define dependencies between tasks, while the depends flag does not do that. | 13:45 |
| angman | In any case, I would like to know the difference between the DEPENDS and RDEPENDS flags... | 13:45 |
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| sudip | angman: iirc, RDEPENDS is runtime depends, and DEPENDS will mostly be used for build time | 13:46 |
| sudip | https://www.rpsys.net/yocto-docs/ref-manual/ref-variables.html#term-RDEPENDS | 13:47 |
| angman | sorry, I mistype. I would like to know the difference between the depends and rdepends flags... | 13:47 |
| angman | I think DEPENDS variable and depends flag is not same. | 13:49 |
| JPEW | angman: Ya, it does use deptask, specifically `do_prepare_recipe_sysroot[deptask] = "do_populate_sysroot"` | 13:49 |
| angman | That's right. Let me get my questions straight for a minute. | 13:50 |
| JPEW | angman: Out of curosity, why the fixation on [rdepends]? | 13:50 |
| angman | > Out of curosity, why the fixation on [rdepends]? | 13:52 |
| angman | It was because it was included in an OSS recipe I was working with. I asked the question because I am concerned about descriptions that I do not understand the meaning of. | 13:52 |
| angman | Sorry for the long preamble, etc. My questions are as follows. | 13:54 |
| angman | * DEPENDS variable and depends flag are different (I think) | 13:54 |
| angman | * I don't know the difference between the depends flag and the rdepends flag. | 13:54 |
| angman | * What is the difference? Or is there no difference? | 13:54 |
| JPEW | angman: DEPENDS and [depends] are different but do similar things (control build time dependencies). TBH I have no idea why you would use [rdepends] over RDEPENDS in a recipe; it's a pretty rare thing to do (e.g. OE core only appears to do it for SDK recipes) | 13:56 |
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| angman | Hmmm... I wish there was documentation somewhere, as the code seems complicated and hard to understand. | 14:13 |
| JPEW | angman: [rdepends] has a little documentation.... but not a lot and it's not terribly clear | 14:14 |
| JPEW | If you figure it out, that would probably be worth while to clarify | 14:14 |
| RP | JPEW, angman: rdepends lets you use package namespace instead of build time, so you could have a [rdepends] = "bash-doc:do_packagedata" and it would resolve correctly | 14:14 |
| RP | it knows how to resolve bash-doc to the bash recipe | 14:15 |
| angman | yes, I know that.. | 14:15 |
| JPEW | RP: Ah, that make sense, is that the only difference? | 14:15 |
| RP | JPEW: I think so | 14:15 |
| JPEW | Cool. Ya that is not like RDEPENDS at all then | 14:16 |
| angman | Does this mean that the depends and rdepends flags are considered the same? | 14:16 |
| RP | angman: they work the same way one takes a recipe namespace target and the other takes a runtime package name target | 14:17 |
| JPEW | IOW, they do the same thing, the difference is how the "target" (e.g. "bash-doc") is interpreted; depends is a recipe, rdepends is a package defined in a recipe (??) | 14:18 |
| angman | The target of depends flag is recipe file? really? | 14:19 |
| RP | angman: a recipe name, PN specifically | 14:20 |
| RP | angman: whereas rdepends uses something from PACKAGES | 14:20 |
| angman | Ahhh, so that's how it is! I see! | 14:20 |
| angman | I understood it well. Thank you so much! 😁 | 14:21 |
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| angman | jnugen[m] I'm sorry, I have pushed your post away. If anyone is able to answer the question, could you please answer it for ? | 14:32 |
| angman | > I have a layer that builds an image that has a bunch of packages. I would like to make a new layer that modifies the original layer to remove some of those packages. The issue I'm having is that some sub-layers have "layer.conf" files with LAYERDEPENDS in them. I need to "edit" those files to remove some of the dependencies. Is there a good/any | 14:32 |
| angman | way to edit those "layer.conf" files? | 14:32 |
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| rfuentess | if I'm trying to run yocto in a docker image, is it a good idea to try to preserve the non-root rule ? | 14:36 |
| LetoThe2nd | rfuentess: yup | 14:37 |
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| rfuentess | Okas | 14:39 |
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| rfuentess | but if the lifetime of the docker image is so limited, why is still a good idea ? | 14:57 |
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| rfuentess | but looking into the sanity.bbclass I can see all the other checks ... | 15:07 |
| rburton | rfuentess: some software refuses to build as root. | 15:09 |
| rburton | and, well, it's best practise to do as little as root as possible | 15:09 |
| rburton | also not sure on the impact of being root when you run pseudo, that might be prone to break | 15:10 |
| fray | being actual root and running pseudo will likely lead to problems (and potentially VERY unsafe behavior of the system) | 15:13 |
| fray | we use docker to do our builds, the build happens in a location with a long life span, but the docker part is 'short lived'. We _never_ build as root, we always limit permissions for the build | 15:14 |
| LetoThe2nd | rfuentess: in a nutshell, because being root in a container is essentially root on the machine. | 15:16 |
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| frieder | Is there a way to get the env from bitbake at the same time when running the bitbake command? | 15:29 |
| frieder | If I run "bitbake -e xyz" separately the env differs from the actual "bitbake xyz" due to changed timestamp in DATETIME. | 15:30 |
| rfuentess | rburton fray LetoThe2nd : thanks | 15:32 |
| frieder | The background is that I want to parse the env for variables like IMAGE_NAME to find out the filename of the resulting image. But as IMAGE_NAME includes the timestamp I never get the correct filename. | 15:33 |
| frieder | Hm, I guess I could just override DATETIME to a persistent value by using "bitbake --postread=override-datetime.conf". | 15:41 |
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| rburton | frieder: use the non-timestamped symlinks which are basically for this reason | 15:54 |
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| frieder | rburton: hm, right. Why didn't I think of this before? Sounds so obvious. I will try that. Thanks! | 15:58 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Last orders for YPDD colocated with EOSS in Prague: https://summit.yoctoproject.org/devday-at-eoss-2023/cfp | 16:08 |
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| cybergoldfish | I'm writing a recipe for getting analysis data during final stages of a build. Is there a way to call an equivalent to tinfoil's get_recipe_file() func from within a recipe? Can't use tinfoil directly from recipe (or call out to script that uses tinfoil) since tinfoil tries to start a new bb server, which is impossible due to bitbake.lock | 16:26 |
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| jbo | Hey guys, I created a meta-custom/recipes-kernel/linux/<kernel>_<version>.bbappend file. upon invoking bitbake, I get: | 19:25 |
| jbo | WARNING: No recipes in default available for: meta-custom/recipes-kernel/linux/<kernel>_<version>.bbappend | 19:26 |
| jbo | what exactly does this mean & how do I resolve it? | 19:26 |
| nerdboy | it means it can't find linux/<kernel>_<version>.bb in any other layers | 19:30 |
| nerdboy | so you're trying to append to a recipe that does not exist in the build config | 19:31 |
| jbo | nerdboy, thanks - that is helpful. how do I figure out what i am doing wrong? I used "oe-pkgdata-util lookup-recipe kernel" to figure out which kernel I am using and I checked uname on the running device as well | 19:33 |
| jbo | I assume I got the wrong kernel_version.bbappend then? | 19:33 |
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| jbo | apparently I got the version wrong. I now have xxx_%.bbappend and that seems to do the trick :) | 19:43 |
| jbo | thanks for explaning the issue! | 19:43 |
| nerdboy | np | 19:53 |
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| paulg | gcc-12.2.0-r0 do_compile - 28m11s (pid 7104) | 21:23 |
| paulg | We really need an ASSUME_NATIVE_IS_GOOD_ENOUGH=1 | 21:24 |
| paulg | recompiling gcc every day 'cause a butterfly farted gets old in a hurry. | 21:24 |
| paulg | Not saying we should "support" it - just make it an option, and you get what you get. | 21:29 |
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| dario | how close to that can you get with ASSUME_PROVIDED? | 21:49 |
| nerdboy | eek, i thought the threshold was set to mammals... | 22:02 |
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