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| mckoan | good morning | 07:13 |
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| olani- | mischief: Do you actually need versions or are your libs just missing a soname? Adding a soname that is the same as the filename should be safe. | 07:33 |
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| rburton | mischief: if the libraries are genuinely unversioned libraries (or modules) then there's a section in the manual explicitly about packaging unversioned libraries. if they're your libraries then it's best to version them. | 08:42 |
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| JaMa | mischief: the biggest pain is with libraries where the SONAME doesn't match neither the actual filename no any symlink installed by the recipe and ldconfig in do_rootfs no longer uses -X to create these symlinks there, so I'm using patchelf to set soname even for prebuilt libraries to something reasonable or at least add symlinks to match | 10:19 |
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| rburton | hm so we have a 'mipsarch' override which means 'anything mips', so qemumips and qemumips64 both have it. should we introduce this universally so x86arch and armarch covers 32- and 64-bit variations? | 12:03 |
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| kanavin | btw intel wants to kill off 32 bit x86 https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/articles/technical/envisioning-future-simplified-architecture.html | 12:17 |
| kanavin | oh wait no | 12:18 |
| kanavin | they're killing off 32 bit kernels, and various legacy modes. 32 bit userspace is still supported. | 12:18 |
| kanavin | I thought they'd go all the way, and drop that too :D | 12:19 |
| rburton | that would upset all the corps with legacy apps _and_ all the gamers with old games | 12:19 |
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| rburton | 32-bit protected usermode is "easy" | 12:19 |
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| RP | rburton: the question is whether we need to | 12:20 |
| kanavin | I can't for the life of me understand why gamers with old games are getting so much attention and care. | 12:20 |
| rburton | RP: i think it would be useful to have an override for the overall class of hardware without needing to duplicate | 12:21 |
| RP | rburton: I've thought this in the past but it isn't actually that common | 12:21 |
| RP | rburton: mips was annoying due to all the variants | 12:22 |
| sudip | old games are the best | 12:23 |
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| JaMa | rburton: will check with gcc trunk where it's already merged, if it's not reproducible there it might be easier to find what needs to be backported to 13 and 12 | 13:07 |
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| ptsneves | kanavin: Saw the poky patch message and had a hard time parsing it. | 13:23 |
| ptsneves | "Existing conf-notes.txt is not adequate in situations where the user | 13:23 |
| ptsneves | needs to select a config template from several, or get an overview of them and | 13:23 |
| ptsneves | is interested only in a brief explanation of what the template is for, | 13:23 |
| ptsneves | but not extended multi-paragraph instructions for how to use it." | 13:23 |
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| RP | yocton: I updated the bug. I don't see any real objections to what was proposed so I think we can proceed with that | 15:25 |
| khem | rburton: mips had so many arch level variants which were incompatible with each other in numerous ways so mipsarch is a sledgehammer for that. | 15:25 |
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| khem | I am pretty sure there still are 16-bit DOS applications ( retro games ) needing to work on state of art Intel CPUs somewhere let alone 32bit | 15:32 |
| kergoth_ | There's a lot of interest in retrocomputing and gaming and vintage stuff lately, parts prices are off the charts. wouldn't surprise me that they want those to still run, though you'd think emulation could cover the gap if need be | 15:34 |
| yocton | RP: Thanks! I'll try to follow your plan and see how it goes :) | 15:36 |
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| mischief | rburton: they aren't our libraries. they are genuinely unversioned. we already follow the manuals steps. the problem is that shlibdeps is broken :) | 16:04 |
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| JaMa | mischief: how is it broken? | 16:07 |
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| Saur | kanavin: 1.5 years ago you merged dbus-test into the main dbus recipe (in commit cfecef4e69). In that process you enabled --enable-tests, --enable-checks and --enable-asserts (they were previously only enabled for dbus-test). Reading the help about these options does not make it sound like they should be enabled for production code. So while I assume they may be needed for ptest, it seems like a bad idea to have them enabled by default. | 16:25 |
| khem | kergoth_: yeah, emulators is the key else we are stuck | 16:25 |
| khem | Saur: yeah, I think its good to seggregate them into packageconfigs which are enabled when PTEST_ENABLED is set | 16:26 |
| khem | mischief: prebuilt libraries could be a pain if they are not build with right information in ELF header e.g. DT_NEEDED and DT_SONAME if they are missing then things can go wrong even for ldso to load them properly, usually folks use dlopen to open these .so files as plugins and it works but thats not proper way | 16:29 |
| mischief | they aren't prebuilt, nor are they used with dlopen | 16:31 |
| mischief | just a giant bag of unversioned shared objects | 16:31 |
| khem | I always pass this doc to understand them - http://people.redhat.com/drepper/dsohowto.pdf | 16:32 |
| RP | yocton: let me know if it runs into issues. Obviously you hope you have ideas like this right but it doesn't always go to plan | 16:40 |
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| khem | JaMa: https://fosstodon.org/@kees/111054213020992461 this stack protector vulnerability reminds me of long resistance to patches to remove VLAs in kernel in order to get it going with clang and Behan was getting the flak eventually kernel got cleaned. | 16:44 |
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| jonesv | Is there a way to inspect how the device tree files (.dts, .dtsi) are being used when running bitbake? | 16:48 |
| JaMa | khem: https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=111418 if you're interested and didn't get notification yet | 16:48 |
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| JaMa | still reproducible with gcc-14 recipes from https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/log/?h=jansa/master-gcc14 | 16:49 |
| jonesv | I am trying to use custom device tree definitions, so in my kernel recipe I put them in `files/dts`, then I point to them with `SRC_URI`, and then I list them in `KERNEL_DEVICETREE`. It feels like something happens with them (I had to add a Makefile otherwise it was complaining), but they don't end up on my device correctly. I would like to inspect a bit more which files are being compiled etc... | 16:49 |
| khem | JaMa: can you build it for a non crypto armv8 tune ? | 16:52 |
| khem | for checks | 16:53 |
| JaMa | khem: not atm, but I'm not using any -march/-mtune/-mcpu to reproduce it just -O2 and -fstack-protector-strong | 17:05 |
| khem | ok. can you then dump the options used -fverbose-asm should do it | 17:08 |
| JaMa | khem: and this reproducer is from old legacy code which nobody wants to maintain, so it still has -fcommon and tons of warnings/errors disabled with -Wno-error to just keep it building with newer toolchain | 17:08 |
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| khem | hmmm | 17:09 |
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| yocton | RP: yeah, we'll see what happens with the warning enabled! | 17:22 |
| vvn | Why are layer maintainers replacing LAYERSERIES_COMPAT instead of appending it when possible? | 17:26 |
| vvn | Like most layers that supported honister, support kirkstone, mickledore, nanbield and so on | 17:27 |
| vvn | it's quite annoying to bump a layer in order to get upstream fixes but then end up with compat issues and having to hack the compat manually | 17:28 |
| vvn | The last time it really made sense (and that's the whole purpose of this variable) was the bump to hardknott (?) introducing the override syntax change. | 17:29 |
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| zeddii | with the number of ssl, golang, etc, other compatibility issues I've run into, I'd say that the override issue was the simpler case of compatiliby concerns. I know for my layers, I simply don't have the cycles to test all the combos, so I can only bump to what I've tested. | 17:30 |
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| khem | vvn: its also a statement from layer maintainer about supported release combinations | 17:44 |
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| kergoth_ | vvn: It's quite common for a layer to not support across stable branches due to versoin-specific bbappends. | 18:05 |
| kergoth_ | hardknott isn't the only compatibility issue | 18:05 |
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| vvn | does bitbake-layer create-layers-setup handles the bitbake and openembedded-core repos as well? | 19:19 |
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| kanavin | vvn, oe-core yes, bitbake no, you'd have to clone that separately. assumption was that most ppl get both via poky repo. | 20:00 |
| kanavin | if you use poky repo, it should just work. | 20:01 |
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| vvn | kanavin: so this layout assumes forking poky for your own project. Problem is that it comes with meta-yocto that you might not need. If bitbake-layers create-layers-setup handle bitbake as a clone too, then one create start a project from forking openembedded-core instead :) | 20:32 |
| RP | vvn: the nice thing is you can easily ignore meta-poky and even if included it doesn't change anything unless enabled | 20:37 |
| vvn | true! | 20:38 |
| * vvn likes poky-less builds | 20:38 | |
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| vvn | I like the idempotent aspect of the script | 20:43 |
| vvn | if create-layers-setup could format-patch the local changes, then it will be just perfect | 20:43 |
| vvn | (and there would be no need for kas anymore :))) | 20:44 |
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| rburton | vvn Bitbake-layers is in bitbake though so that’s the one repo youd ideally clone | 20:51 |
| vvn | rburton: good point. Starting a project from a bitbake fork seems weird for some reasons (: | 20:53 |
| vvn | and also because you'd usually source oe-init-build-env, which adds bitbake to PATH, it's a chicken and egg problem in a way | 20:54 |
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