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taruu | Hello guys, I started working and studying the yocto project and ran into a problem that I couldn’t find guides or documentation for the meta levels used in the project. Can you tell me where I can find guides or discussions on this topic to understand how to use them? | 07:59 |
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RP | The auto-upgrade-helper code is horrific :( | 08:54 |
kanavin | I didn't write it :) | 08:54 |
RP | kanavin: I know. I'm just struggling not to rip the whole thing apart | 08:54 |
kanavin | RP: I'm also getting mildly annoyed at the assigned maintainers, where are the actual updates from them? we might need a new, harsher round of unassigning :( | 08:55 |
kanavin | if there's no reaction for the round running right now within a month, I'll try to politely do something | 08:56 |
RP | kanavin: Multiple challenges there. Some are fine with the AUH handling things in general, some just can't respond fast enough :/ | 08:56 |
kanavin | but AUH email is not the update itself. It's just a notice to the maintainer to take and resend. And this isn't happening, and across multiple people. | 08:57 |
RP | kanavin: people see it differently | 08:58 |
RP | kanavin: why do manually what the tool is already doing? | 08:58 |
kanavin | RP: because it's not perfect, some patches can be taken as they are, others need tweaks, and in any case it needs someone to look at its output. | 08:59 |
RP | kanavin: I know that but people often don't think about it | 09:00 |
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kanavin | RP: are you specifically reviewing latest auh patches, or is it something unrelated (I'm going to look at them now)? | 09:03 |
RP | kanavin: I'm trying to add layer support to AUH to make it work for meta-oe | 09:04 |
kanavin | RP: but there's a new patchset for that sent 9 hours ago? | 09:04 |
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yocton | Hi! I've sent that. Let me know if I can help | 09:08 |
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RP | kanavin: I'm getting confused. I'm looking at that patchset | 09:09 |
RP | yocton: thanks! | 09:09 |
RP | yocton: I have some ideas on how we could improve things but in the interests of time, I think working with what is there may be best | 09:13 |
yocton | I'm currently trying to split the patch of David on the autobuilder config (https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/yocto/message/61507) | 09:13 |
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RP | yocton, kanavin: I've put the patches on master-next branches of helper and auh and added one to drop that machine-list. I've then tried a build using those -next branches: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/159/builds/6 | 09:25 |
RP | https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/159/builds/7 as the previous one was misconfigured | 09:26 |
yocton | "fatal: 'origin/main' is not a commit and a branch 'tmp-auh-upgrades' cannot be created from it" default branch of meta-oe would be origin/master | 09:30 |
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RP | yocton: yes, the script needs that tweaking, if we need that code at all :/ | 09:39 |
RP | kanavin: do you know of anywhere we use this tmp-auh-upgrades branch or is it just a leftover of the cron job? | 09:40 |
RP | can we just delete weeklyjob.sh too? | 09:41 |
adrianf | RP: Just a few thoughts on the maintenance of devtool. devtool offers different, almost independent functions. Would it make sense to have a maintainer for each function? For example: "Working on a recipe", "Recipe in workspace" are completely different things. | 09:41 |
RP | adrianf: if someone wanted to volunteer as the maintainer for some specific functions that would be a better position than we're currently in so I'm open to it | 09:42 |
RP | kanavin, yocton: According to that run, meta-oe is entirely up to date with nothing needing upgrading | 09:44 |
yocton | I find that suspicious... | 09:45 |
RP | People are running devtool upgrade against meta-oe a fair bit and the components there don't change as often as those in core, but, yes... | 09:47 |
RP | INFO: Skip package meta-oe/libjson-perl (status = UNKNOWN_BROKEN, current version = 4.03000, next version = 4.10) | 09:48 |
yocton | Running upgrade-helper.py with -d5 will log why recipes are skipped | 09:53 |
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RP | cmp = vercmp_string(uv['current_version'], uv['version']) returns 1 for that | 09:54 |
kanavin | RP: tmp-auh-upgrades is made from origin/master so that auh doesn't make its update commits directly into a master checkout | 09:57 |
kanavin | RP: yes, I think weeklyjob.sh is actually unused, and so doesn't need to be maintained | 09:58 |
kanavin | yocton, I looked at your patchset, it's basically fine | 09:59 |
adrianf | RP: Deprecating the eSDK installer (do_propulate_sdk_ext) would also simplify the situation. With the meta-ide-support generated environment script, the new bitbake-layer save-build-conf / create-layers-setup functions from Alex and the shared sstate-cache there is a much easier to maintain and more flexible replacement for all available functions. | 09:59 |
kanavin | adrianf, I think some people still find value in all-included shell archives, the biggest value in them is in fact that they include the cache objects | 10:01 |
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kanavin | adrianf, you are welcome to join the sstate-for-all thread on the mailing archives, where we discussed how esdk-type environment can be provided directly in a yocto build (it's basically meta-ide-support+restricted tooling+locked signatures). I'm refactoring populate_sdk_ext to make various pieces reusable. | 10:04 |
kanavin | there was some discussion around that just earlier this week | 10:05 |
kanavin | RP: I'm looking at the version checks in meta-oe. Something doesn't compute there: they either match the latest, or are broken. Statistically that is not possible, so it's likely broken ones in fact do miss later versions being available. | 10:06 |
kanavin | (I mean, I'm looking at the checks performed by auh-meta-oe on the AB. This needs to be checked locally as well). | 10:08 |
n0thing | What would be your advice to a junior who wants to contribute to Yocto and has only been in the industry for 1.5 years? Where should I start? When I can't even produce anything of value... | 10:17 |
rburton | n0thing: there's a newcomer tag in bugzilla for bugs which should be _relatively_ simple | 10:18 |
rburton | n0thing: specifically https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15251 would be an interesting dive into the packaging code to fix what is hopefully an easy one | 10:18 |
kanavin | n0thing, I would advice you to subscribe to the openembedded-core mailing list, and look out for weekly status update mails (they are also archived here https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Weekly_Status ) | 10:21 |
kanavin | there are numerous ways to contribute listed here, but one particular item I'd appreciate is providing version updates for oe-core | 10:22 |
n0thing | rburton then it seems like a good start to become a member of bugzilla and start try to solving the problems under the newcomer tag. thanks! | 10:22 |
adrianf | akanavin: found it. Thank you. | 10:22 |
n0thing | kanavin Thanks! I will check | 10:23 |
n0thing | I would like to ask one more question. It is not related to yocto but i would appreciate if you could answer it. What are the qualifications that a junior embedded linux developer should have? What should he/she know? | 10:27 |
RP | kanavin: something isn't adding up. I see the same results locally | 10:27 |
RP | adrianf: I'm not sure we can drop the esdk installer but I would like to improve it and make it less black box magic, there is discussion on the list about that | 10:28 |
yocton | Almost no recipe in meta-oe has a RECIPE_MAINTAINER => every upgrade is skipped because of that? (e.g. krb5) | 10:29 |
kanavin | n0thing, a public coding or documentation portfolio. Doesn't matter how small or unimpressive you think it is, as long as it exists. Shopping list of qualifications matters less than that. I personally don't have half the things that people list as 'mandatory' for an embedded linux developer :-D | 10:30 |
kanavin | basically, do a project that interests you personally, and publicly document every step of the way | 10:30 |
kanavin | RP: are you running devtool check-upgrade-status or devtool latest-version on those? | 10:33 |
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RP | kanavin: auh with a single recipe specified | 10:34 |
RP | n0thing: there was a mention recently on the mailing list about cleaning up class XXX(object): -> class XXX(): syntax. That is old python 2.x remnants. If you want to send some simple patches that would get you some commits :) | 10:35 |
yocton | RECIPE_MAINTAINER:pn-krb5="Someone" in local.conf and "upgrade-helper.py krb5 -d5" at least start some upgrade compilation | 10:37 |
kanavin | this should be fixed so that version checks work even in the absence of that | 10:39 |
yocton | That's 2 separate problems : 1) version check is broken on some recipes (UNKNONW_BROKEN in logs), 2) Some upgradable recipes are silently skipped (unless debug is displayed with -d5) because of missing maintainer | 10:43 |
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kanavin | can you identify where the skipping happens? | 10:44 |
yocton | _pkg_upgradable(): D(" Skipping upgrade of %s: no maintainer" % pn) (line 652) | 10:46 |
kanavin | right. I wonder if we should set RECIPE_MAINTAINER for each layer in meta-oe then (there are now per-layer overrides for that). | 10:47 |
kanavin | e.g. RECIPE_MAINTAINER:layer-gnome-layer = "someone" etc | 10:49 |
yocton | Same idea. I'll send a patch for master-next | 10:49 |
RP | yocton: thanks, sounds good to me | 10:49 |
yocton | In yocto-autobuilder-helper/scripts/auh-config/local.conf.append or extravars in config.json? | 10:56 |
RP | yocton: might as well put it in extravars | 10:56 |
yocton | ok! | 10:56 |
RP | kanavin: I'm starting to think we should rework auto-upgrade-helper into something in oe-core | 10:56 |
RP | with a suitable amount of cleanup and refactoring | 10:57 |
kanavin | RP: yes. it's full of brittle hacks around running external executables and parsing their output | 11:00 |
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JerryM | get_metadata_git_*(path, d) in meta/lib/oe/buildcfg.py include 'd' but never use it, is there a reason this is still included? | 11:22 |
RP | JerryM: I think there used to be a set of functions for different SCMs and some probably needed it | 11:24 |
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RP | yocton, kanavin: I think the patches are the right direction so I've merged the auh repo ones | 11:46 |
RP | I also added a couple of tweaks to drop things | 11:46 |
JerryM | RP: I figured as much, although I took a very brief glance at the history but couldn't find any references anyway, howver currently there is nothing in oe-core that uses it so I figure it would be safe to remove regardless | 11:47 |
kanavin | RP: thanks, that's fine. | 11:49 |
yocton | RP: Thanks! | 12:02 |
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diecore | Hello! I need some help, I can't find the .its file in the /boot/dts folder as also I can't find were the DTC compiler is executed for compiling the .dts for the sam9x75 target I am working with. The weird thing is that at the kernel recipe inside the do_deploy:append() function there is the line cp ${S}/arch/${ARCH}/boot/dts/${MACHINE}*.its ${DTB_PATH} that copies the .its but I rather find it only at /tmp/deploy/images/XXX path | 13:05 |
diecore | which is actually generated after building the image with bitbake. | 13:05 |
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diecore | My goal is to modify the dts and its for my needs but is so confusing :-( | 13:07 |
zhmylove | Hey Gods! According to https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Releases Nanbield shoul've already released by the end of October. But there is still no release tag on nanbield branch. Does anyone aware of actual Nanbield release date? Thanks! | 13:07 |
rburton | shortly | 13:11 |
rburton | mainly just finishing the documentation now | 13:11 |
rburton | kernel 6.5 "issues" resulted in the release slipping a few weeks | 13:12 |
zhmylove | rburton: thanks! | 13:23 |
zhmylove | BTW is there any chance it'll release until 15th November? | 13:23 |
rburton | i expect early november | 13:24 |
zhmylove | Thank you, Ross! Have a nice day! | 13:25 |
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brabander | Is it still correct that you can set INITRAMFS_IMAGE in a recipe, as stated in the local.conf.sample.extended file ? Because even when I set this value to some non-nonsensical value bitbake seems to accept & ignore it. | 14:17 |
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Guest96 | Hello, | 14:22 |
Guest96 | does anyone know how to include the openssl library that will be used in a makefile which in then will be called by oe_runmake | 14:22 |
n0thing | "LDFLAGS += -lssl -lcrypto" maybe? | 14:29 |
vmeson | FYI, large numberic values for a UID don't seem to be a problem now that Kai has fixed an XFCE tar issue. Our IT dept started giving people UIDs > 2M ! "tar: value 1762430260 out of uid_t range 0..2097151" | 14:36 |
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Guest96 | n0thing the ldflags are already included in my makefile | 14:48 |
n0thing | Guest96 DEPENDS += " openssl" maybe? | 14:54 |
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Guest96 | n0thing done that also | 15:01 |
n0thing | Guest96 If you share the problem with pastebin, you may get more specific suggestion&solution. | 15:04 |
Guest96 | n0thing do you mean the output error or my recipe file? | 15:11 |
n0thing | Guest96 yes | 15:11 |
Guest96 | n0thing this is the error i get: https://pastebin.com/7zuN7v1b | 15:15 |
Guest96 | and my recipe : https://pastebin.com/dY4DQnwz | 15:15 |
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n0thing | Guest96 You should to run oe_runmake in do_compile() instead of do_install(). | 15:30 |
n0thing | You used DEPENDS += "util-linux", DEPENDS += "openssl" seperate but I suggest you to write them as one, so DEPENDS += "util-linux openssl". | 15:30 |
dacav | Hi. We have a read-only filesystem, and we would like to enable users to change password, both root and regular users. Does yocto support something like that? | 15:35 |
rburton | dacav: you'll have to use something like overlayfs | 15:47 |
rburton | dacav: obviously that changed password needs to go on disk somewhere | 15:48 |
adrianf | RP: kanavin: I tried to catch up with your discussion in the emails as good as possible. Maybe you give the devtool ide plugin a try. It has 2 modes: A recipe mode and a none recipe mode. The none recipe mode is exactly what you have been discussing with the devtool esdk command. A few minutes ago the patches passed the AB gate, I guess. | 15:52 |
Guest96 | n0thing I still get the same error even after using do_compile() | 16:01 |
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