Wednesday, 2023-11-01

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taruuHello guys, I started working and studying the yocto project and ran into a problem that I couldn’t find guides or documentation for the meta levels used in the project. Can you tell me where I can find guides or discussions on this topic to understand how to use them?07:59
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RPThe auto-upgrade-helper code is horrific :(08:54
kanavinI didn't write it :)08:54
RPkanavin: I know. I'm just struggling not to rip the whole thing apart08:54
kanavinRP: I'm also getting mildly annoyed at the assigned maintainers, where are the actual updates from them? we might need a new, harsher round of unassigning :(08:55
kanavinif there's no reaction for the round running right now within a month, I'll try to politely do something08:56
RPkanavin: Multiple challenges there. Some are fine with the AUH handling things in general, some just can't respond fast enough :/08:56
kanavinbut AUH email is not the update itself. It's just a notice to the maintainer to take and resend. And this isn't happening, and across multiple people.08:57
RPkanavin: people see it differently08:58
RPkanavin: why do manually what the tool is already doing?08:58
kanavinRP: because it's not perfect, some patches can be taken as they are, others need tweaks, and in any case it needs someone to look at its output.08:59
RPkanavin: I know that but people often don't think about it09:00
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kanavinRP: are you specifically reviewing latest auh patches, or is it something unrelated (I'm going to look at them now)?09:03
RPkanavin: I'm trying to add layer support to AUH to make it work for meta-oe09:04
kanavinRP: but there's a new patchset for that sent 9 hours ago?09:04
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yoctonHi! I've sent that. Let me know if I can help09:08
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RPkanavin: I'm getting confused. I'm looking at that patchset09:09
RPyocton: thanks!09:09
RPyocton: I have some ideas on how we could improve things but in the interests of time, I think working with what is there may be best09:13
yoctonI'm currently trying to split the patch of David on the autobuilder config (https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/yocto/message/61507)09:13
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RPyocton, kanavin: I've put the patches on master-next branches of helper and auh and added one to drop that machine-list. I've then tried a build using those -next branches: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/159/builds/609:25
RPhttps://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/159/builds/7 as the previous one was misconfigured09:26
yocton"fatal: 'origin/main' is not a commit and a branch 'tmp-auh-upgrades' cannot be created from it" default branch of meta-oe would be origin/master09:30
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RPyocton: yes, the script needs that tweaking, if we need that code at all :/09:39
RPkanavin: do you know of anywhere we use this tmp-auh-upgrades branch or is it just a leftover of the cron job?09:40
RPcan we just delete weeklyjob.sh too?09:41
adrianfRP: Just a few thoughts on the maintenance of devtool. devtool offers different, almost independent functions. Would it make sense to have a maintainer for each function? For example: "Working on a recipe", "Recipe in workspace" are completely different things.09:41
RPadrianf: if someone wanted to volunteer as the maintainer for some specific functions that would be a better position than we're currently in so I'm open to it09:42
RPkanavin, yocton: According to that run, meta-oe is entirely up to date with nothing needing upgrading09:44
yoctonI find that suspicious...09:45
RPPeople are running devtool upgrade against meta-oe a fair bit and the components there don't change as often as those in core, but, yes...09:47
RPINFO: Skip package meta-oe/libjson-perl (status = UNKNOWN_BROKEN, current version = 4.03000, next version = 4.10)09:48
yoctonRunning upgrade-helper.py with -d5 will log why recipes are skipped09:53
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RPcmp = vercmp_string(uv['current_version'], uv['version']) returns 1 for that09:54
kanavinRP: tmp-auh-upgrades is made from origin/master so that auh doesn't make its update commits directly into a master checkout09:57
kanavinRP: yes, I think weeklyjob.sh is actually unused, and so doesn't need to be maintained09:58
kanavinyocton, I looked at your patchset, it's basically fine09:59
adrianfRP: Deprecating the eSDK installer (do_propulate_sdk_ext) would also simplify the situation. With the meta-ide-support generated environment script, the new bitbake-layer save-build-conf / create-layers-setup functions from Alex and the shared sstate-cache there is a much easier to maintain and more flexible replacement for all available functions.09:59
kanavinadrianf, I think some people still find value in all-included shell archives, the biggest value in them is in fact that they include the cache objects10:01
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kanavinadrianf, you are welcome to join the sstate-for-all thread on the mailing archives, where we discussed how esdk-type environment can be provided directly in a yocto build (it's basically meta-ide-support+restricted tooling+locked signatures). I'm refactoring populate_sdk_ext to make various pieces reusable.10:04
kanavinthere was some discussion around that just earlier this week10:05
kanavinRP: I'm looking at the version checks in meta-oe. Something doesn't compute there: they either match the latest, or are broken. Statistically that is not possible, so it's likely broken ones in fact do miss later versions being available.10:06
kanavin(I mean, I'm looking at the checks performed by auh-meta-oe on the AB. This needs to be checked locally as well).10:08
n0thingWhat would be your advice to a junior who wants to contribute to Yocto and has only been in the industry for 1.5 years? Where should I start? When I can't even produce anything of value...10:17
rburtonn0thing: there's a newcomer tag in bugzilla for bugs which should be _relatively_ simple10:18
rburtonn0thing: specifically https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15251 would be an interesting dive into the packaging code to fix what is hopefully an easy one10:18
kanavinn0thing, I would advice you to subscribe to the openembedded-core mailing list, and look out for weekly status update mails (they are also archived here https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Weekly_Status )10:21
kanavinthere are numerous ways to contribute listed here, but one particular item I'd appreciate is providing version updates for oe-core10:22
n0thingrburton then it seems like a good start to become a member of bugzilla and start try to solving the problems under the newcomer tag. thanks!10:22
adrianfakanavin: found it. Thank you.10:22
n0thingkanavin Thanks! I will check10:23
n0thingI would like to ask one more question. It is not related to yocto but i would appreciate if you could answer it. What are the qualifications that a junior embedded linux developer should have? What should he/she know?10:27
RPkanavin: something isn't adding up. I see the same results locally10:27
RPadrianf: I'm not sure we can drop the esdk installer but I would like to improve it and make it less black box magic, there is discussion on the list about that10:28
yoctonAlmost no recipe in meta-oe has a RECIPE_MAINTAINER => every upgrade is skipped because of that? (e.g. krb5)10:29
kanavinn0thing, a public coding or documentation portfolio. Doesn't matter how small or unimpressive you think it is, as long as it exists. Shopping list of qualifications matters less than that. I personally don't have half the things that people list as 'mandatory' for an embedded linux developer :-D10:30
kanavinbasically, do a project that interests you personally, and publicly document every step of the way10:30
kanavinRP: are you running devtool check-upgrade-status or devtool latest-version on those?10:33
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RPkanavin: auh with a single recipe specified10:34
RPn0thing: there was a mention recently on the mailing list about cleaning up class XXX(object): -> class XXX(): syntax. That is old python 2.x remnants. If you want to send some simple patches that would get you some commits :)10:35
yoctonRECIPE_MAINTAINER:pn-krb5="Someone" in local.conf and "upgrade-helper.py krb5 -d5" at least start some upgrade compilation10:37
kanavinthis should be fixed so that version checks work even in the absence of that10:39
yoctonThat's 2 separate problems : 1) version check is broken on some recipes (UNKNONW_BROKEN in logs), 2) Some upgradable recipes are silently skipped (unless debug is displayed with -d5) because of missing maintainer10:43
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kanavincan you identify where the skipping happens?10:44
yocton_pkg_upgradable(): D(" Skipping upgrade of %s: no maintainer" % pn) (line 652)10:46
kanavinright. I wonder if we should set RECIPE_MAINTAINER for each layer in meta-oe then (there are now per-layer overrides for that).10:47
kanavine.g. RECIPE_MAINTAINER:layer-gnome-layer = "someone" etc10:49
yoctonSame idea. I'll send a patch for master-next10:49
RPyocton: thanks, sounds good to me10:49
yoctonIn yocto-autobuilder-helper/scripts/auh-config/local.conf.append or extravars in config.json?10:56
RPyocton: might as well put it in extravars10:56
yoctonok!10:56
RPkanavin: I'm starting to think we should rework auto-upgrade-helper into something in oe-core10:56
RPwith a suitable amount of cleanup and refactoring10:57
kanavinRP: yes. it's full of brittle hacks around running external executables and parsing their output11:00
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JerryMget_metadata_git_*(path, d) in meta/lib/oe/buildcfg.py include 'd' but never use it, is there a reason this is still included?11:22
RPJerryM: I think there used to be a set of functions for different SCMs and some probably needed it11:24
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RPyocton, kanavin: I think the patches are the right direction so I've merged the auh repo ones11:46
RPI also added a couple of tweaks to drop things11:46
JerryMRP: I figured as much, although I took a very brief glance at the history but couldn't find any references anyway, howver currently there is nothing in oe-core that uses it so I figure it would be safe to remove regardless11:47
kanavinRP: thanks, that's fine.11:49
yoctonRP: Thanks!12:02
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diecoreHello! I need some help, I can't find the .its file in the /boot/dts folder as also I can't find were the DTC compiler is executed for compiling the .dts for the sam9x75 target I am working with. The weird thing is that at the kernel recipe inside the do_deploy:append() function there is the line cp ${S}/arch/${ARCH}/boot/dts/${MACHINE}*.its ${DTB_PATH} that copies the .its but I rather find it only at /tmp/deploy/images/XXX path13:05
diecorewhich is actually generated after building the image with bitbake.13:05
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diecoreMy goal is to modify the dts and its for my needs but is so confusing :-(13:07
zhmyloveHey Gods! According to https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Releases Nanbield shoul've already released by the end of October. But there is still no release tag on nanbield branch. Does anyone aware of actual Nanbield release date? Thanks!13:07
rburtonshortly13:11
rburtonmainly just finishing the documentation now13:11
rburtonkernel 6.5 "issues" resulted in the release slipping a few weeks13:12
zhmyloverburton: thanks!13:23
zhmyloveBTW is there any chance it'll release until 15th November?13:23
rburtoni expect early november13:24
zhmyloveThank you, Ross! Have a nice day!13:25
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brabanderIs it still correct that you can set INITRAMFS_IMAGE in a recipe, as stated in the local.conf.sample.extended file ? Because even when I set this value to some non-nonsensical value bitbake seems to accept & ignore it.14:17
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Guest96Hello,14:22
Guest96does anyone know how to include the openssl library that will be used in a makefile which in then will be called by oe_runmake14:22
n0thing"LDFLAGS += -lssl -lcrypto" maybe?14:29
vmesonFYI, large numberic values for a UID don't seem to be a problem now that Kai has fixed an XFCE tar issue. Our IT dept started giving people UIDs > 2M !  "tar: value 1762430260 out of uid_t range 0..2097151"14:36
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Guest96n0thing the ldflags are already included in my makefile14:48
n0thingGuest96 DEPENDS += " openssl" maybe?14:54
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Guest96n0thing done that also15:01
n0thingGuest96 If you share the problem with pastebin, you may get more specific suggestion&solution.15:04
Guest96n0thing do you mean the output error or my recipe file?15:11
n0thingGuest96 yes15:11
Guest96n0thing this is the error i get: https://pastebin.com/7zuN7v1b15:15
Guest96and my recipe : https://pastebin.com/dY4DQnwz15:15
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n0thingGuest96 You should to run oe_runmake in do_compile() instead of do_install().15:30
n0thingYou used DEPENDS += "util-linux", DEPENDS += "openssl" seperate but I suggest you to write them as one, so DEPENDS += "util-linux openssl".15:30
dacavHi.  We have a read-only filesystem, and we would like to enable users to change password, both root and regular users.  Does yocto support something like that?15:35
rburtondacav: you'll have to use something like overlayfs15:47
rburtondacav: obviously that changed password needs to go on disk somewhere15:48
adrianfRP: kanavin: I tried to catch up with your discussion in the emails as good as possible. Maybe you give the devtool ide plugin a try. It has 2 modes: A recipe mode and a none recipe mode. The none recipe mode is exactly what you have been discussing with the devtool esdk command. A few minutes ago the patches passed the AB gate, I guess.15:52
Guest96n0thing I still get the same error even after using do_compile()16:01
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