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| kanavin | rburton, python 3.13 throws 'illegal instruction' in armv5 (but not regular arm or arm64) | 08:58 |
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| kanavin | rburton, how can I quickly get to the bottom of it, if you know? | 08:58 |
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| RP | kanavin: is there a kernel message triggered? sometimes those can help | 09:40 |
| rburton | kanavin: throw a gdb on it | 09:43 |
| kanavin | rburton, yes :) just was wondering if I can get that more directly as gdb is pretty heavy-handed | 09:44 |
| kanavin | RP: will check | 09:44 |
| rburton | dmesg might be useful but iirc it doesn't actually show the value of the IP which is annoying | 09:44 |
| pbiel | Hi guys, do you avoid using GPL-3 software running on your products? If so how do you handle e.g. libstdc++, do you use it or replace with libc++? | 09:46 |
| kanavin | pbiel, libstdc++ has a special exception that exempts you from fulfilling gpl obligations | 09:47 |
| kanavin | https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/license.html | 09:47 |
| kanavin | pretty much everyone does not think there's a problem | 09:48 |
| kanavin | also see https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/faq.html#faq.license.what | 09:49 |
| pbiel | Yes I know, but I'm just curious because our genius product managers are still pushing us to stay away from gpl3 "just in case" so I was wondering what does it look like in other companies | 09:50 |
| kanavin | show these links to them | 09:50 |
| pbiel | I'll do this | 09:50 |
| pbiel | thansk | 09:51 |
| kanavin | they're probably not aware of the 'gcc exception' or similar exceptions in other components | 09:51 |
| kanavin | if you do have a pure gpl3 component, such as bash, you do need to ensure it's not in the product image | 09:51 |
| kanavin | (development and testing image is probably ok) | 09:52 |
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| kanavin | rburton, mrc is the offending instruction | 11:01 |
| kanavin | they added a bunch of code in 3.13 cycle that wants to use it on all arm | 11:01 |
| rburton | 'move register to coprocessor' huh | 11:02 |
| rburton | kanavin: can you get a backtrace and identify what bit of python is doing that? | 11:04 |
| kanavin | I already have, just need to copy paste from a different machine | 11:04 |
| kanavin | or let me just point to git, hold a sec | 11:04 |
| kanavin | rburton, https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Include/internal/mimalloc/mimalloc/prim.h#L174 | 11:06 |
| rburton | kanavin: intial response is 'disable mimalloc on armv5' :) | 11:07 |
| kanavin | rburton, yeah but a) it doesn't explain why mrc ist verboten; b) there's another spot in code where they added it: https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Include/object.h#L195 | 11:08 |
| kanavin | I can try of course... | 11:08 |
| rburton | in fact it shouldn't be used by default at all, apparnetly | 11:08 |
| rburton | ah are you trying a build without the GIL? | 11:08 |
| kanavin | errrr | 11:09 |
| kanavin | I'm just using defaults :) | 11:09 |
| rburton | yeah i think he was slightly mistaken there's quite a lot of clauses | 11:09 |
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| rburton | welcome to the wonderful world of old arm cores, their crazy instructions, and making qemu and gcc agree | 11:10 |
| kanavin | rburton, if you want to play with it https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky-contrib/log/?h=akanavin/package-version-updates | 11:11 |
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| kanavin | I guess qemu might be slightly mis-configured? | 11:12 |
| kanavin | gcc has nothing to do with it... it's inline assembly from python | 11:13 |
| rburton | kanavin: our resident python master is diego.russo@arm.com, feel free to mail him. i've a horrible feeling you'll need to figure out what the mrc call is trying to do and compare the qemu machine | 11:13 |
| rburton | the asm might be making assumptions that are not valid for armv5 and it needs to be guarded more | 11:16 |
| kanavin | but arm docs say it's all supported everywhere :-/ | 11:21 |
| kanavin | trying mimalloc disable now | 11:21 |
| RP | kanavin: FWIW we're going to "pause" typhoon today so we can power down things and check there is nothing we've missed in the transition to the new data centre | 11:21 |
| kanavin | so it's decommissioned entirely? | 11:23 |
| RP | kanavin: the aim is to be doing everything on valkyrie, yes | 11:24 |
| kanavin | I'll just stop using it then, thanks :) | 11:24 |
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| kanavin | I kind of enjoyed being the only one on it :D | 11:24 |
| kanavin | pet autobuilder :) | 11:25 |
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| RP | kanavin: you'll like the new one, it is much faster | 11:25 |
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| kanavin | RP: I wonder where the fastness comes from? more cores, and/or faster disks? | 11:28 |
| RP | kanavin: way newer hardware ;-) | 11:29 |
| RP | kanavin: even the performance test builds are literally twice as fast (they're not the same hardware as the workers) | 11:29 |
| RP | see the weekly status report for links | 11:29 |
| kanavin | so I can't use the 'compiling' xkcd comic as often then :) | 11:30 |
| kanavin | https://xkcd.com/303/ | 11:30 |
| RP | kanavin: just tweak rust a bit more often ;-) | 11:30 |
| kanavin | yocto is in its own league here | 11:30 |
| rburton | kanavin: Diego says please file and bug and send him the link. It might be our problem but it can be discussed there | 11:37 |
| rburton | My manager wonders if our qemu is a bit toolimited | 11:37 |
| kanavin | rburton, I kinda want to first see which targets qemu thinks support mrc, and which ones do not | 11:37 |
| kanavin | it does work fine on qemuarm | 11:37 |
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| kanavin | rburton, I do get a python prompt with mimalloc disabled \0/ | 11:43 |
| kanavin | which means armv5 can't have the shiny new no-gil | 11:44 |
| kanavin | mercy me. code archeology is the number one skill with yocto isn't it. They don't teach that anywhere. | 11:45 |
| kanavin | new task: how to find mrc support and conditions for it in qemu source tree | 11:45 |
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| kanavin | rburton, so where to file the bug? qemu or cpython? | 13:04 |
| kanavin | or maybe yocto bugzilla? | 13:09 |
| RP | kanavin: start in YP bugzilla and then move if/as/when we find the source of the issue? | 13:12 |
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| kanavin | filed https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15618 | 13:31 |
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| luc4 | Hello! Is there any tutorial/doc on how to install and use plymouth in yocto? I updated from nanbield to scarthgap and I cannot make it work anymore... | 13:58 |
| gmorell | /w 2 | 14:06 |
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| RP | khem: around? there are meta-oe fetch failures it would be good to fix on the AB | 15:08 |
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| RP | khem: https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org/#/builders/82/builds/8/steps/12/logs/errors | 15:14 |
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| khem | RP:hmm which recipe is it lemme check | 15:40 |
| khem | xmlrpc-c hmm | 15:41 |
| khem | I think it should already be fixed in latest master - https://git.openembedded.org/meta-openembedded/commit/?id=ca7ea3ed024a2cf697aa336eeddbb69bda99a196 | 15:42 |
| RP | khem: when was that merged? | 15:43 |
| khem | the error log shows 1.59.01 version so I am assuming it was running on master before today | 15:43 |
| khem | this morning | 15:43 |
| RP | khem: ok, lets hope that goes away then! | 15:43 |
| khem | yep | 15:44 |
| khem | RP: I have started a new build - https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org//#/builders/82 | 15:46 |
| khem | this should tell us | 15:46 |
| RP | ok | 15:51 |
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| RP | khem: that one seems fixed, failed in eds this time :/ https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org//#/builders/82/builds/9/steps/16/logs/errors | 16:37 |
| khem | RP:yeah and I dont understand the fetcher error The URL: 'https://download.gnome.org/sources//evolution-data-server/3.54/evolution-data-server-3.54.0.tar.xz;name=archive' is not trusted and cannot be used | 16:45 |
| khem | why is that ? its https URI | 16:46 |
| RP | khem: lets rerun it. It might mean it mirrored on the first run in that build but the server jobs didn't catch up | 16:48 |
| khem | hmm | 16:48 |
| khem | restarted, lets see | 16:49 |
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| khem | failed again at same point :( | 19:49 |
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| RP | halstead: I think there may be something odd going on with the source mirroring. https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org/#/builders/82/builds/11/steps/16/logs/stdio - for evolution-data-server-3.54.0.tar.xz | 20:12 |
| RP | halstead: that doesn't appear to be making it into the downloads mirror. Or perhaps this is because it is currently checking the mirror from typhoon? | 20:13 |
| RP | that might "make sense" | 20:13 |
| halstead | RP: The downloads mirror is still at typhoon. I can fix this with an extra sync. | 20:14 |
| RP | halstead: I guess it will change soon so it may not be worth it, not sure | 20:14 |
| RP | halstead: I paused the typhoon workers earlier while it was quiet btw | 20:15 |
| halstead | RP: I saw that when I went to do it this morning. :) | 20:15 |
| halstead | RP: I think I'll keep typhoon working until the kirkstone rc is done. Just in case. Yeah? | 20:16 |
| RP | halstead: I'd not worry, we're always going to have this problem | 20:16 |
| RP | if we delay that release, we delay it | 20:16 |
| RP | you've things you need to move forward with... | 20:17 |
| halstead | Okay RP. If that's fine I'll just keep moving forward. I suppose we can fix anything we need to without falling back at this point. | 20:17 |
| RP | halstead: I suspect we'll have to | 20:18 |
| halstead | RP: Cross-geo source mirroring is in progress. | 20:38 |
| RP | halstead: thanks! | 20:41 |
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