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| viric | Hello yocto | 07:46 |
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| viric | I'd like to understand why yocto deletes files from the sstate (when building a different commit for example) | 07:47 |
| viric | in sstate.bbclass: "Removing %d stale sstate objects for arch %s" | 07:47 |
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| RP | viric: it is remoing them from WORKDIR sysroots, not from the sstate cache itself | 08:12 |
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| viric | RP: mh I think it removes from the sstate cache. | 08:24 |
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| viric | RP: maybe when it removes those 'manifests' it also makes bitbake not try to find the prebuilt in the sstate cache? | 08:42 |
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| kanavin | viric, this happens when you change your configuration so that there are no existing sstate objects that can be reused. In this case, bitbake has to clean up ${WORKDIR} so that there are no copies of sstate objects left over from previous builds. | 09:15 |
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| kanavin | bitbake never removes anything from the actual sstate cache, unless you ask with -c cleansstate | 09:15 |
| kanavin | I agree that the message is somewhat ambiguous | 09:16 |
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| RP | viric: It removes from the sysroots, not the sstate cache. I wrote the code ;-) | 09:37 |
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| viric | RP ah! | 10:03 |
| viric | The problem I have is with 'systemd'. If I modify systemd, it always rebuilds it and its dependencies. It doesn't check sstate for systemd. | 10:03 |
| viric | I have tried 'bitbake -DD systemd', and there should be a line with 'SState' (note two capital S) that should say if systemd sstate files are found, and the lines don't exist | 10:04 |
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| viric | So I have systemd with a bbappend and with out. Let's call it systemd A and systemd B. If I build A, then I change code to B, and I build B, then I change code to A, then I build A again.... I'd expect systemd A is in the sstate already from the first build. But it is not checked. | 10:06 |
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| viric | I can see SState checked for many other packages but never for systemd | 10:07 |
| viric | kanavin: I definitely have sstate pieces that can be reused. I'm building conf A, then conf B, then conf A, then conf B ... and it build systemd & mozjs & etc. every time | 10:14 |
| kanavin | viric, this is not supposed to happen. but it's hard to say what is going on without seeing specifics. | 10:17 |
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| viric | I imagine it can be easily reproducible by adding some line to a systemd bb and removing it mh | 10:19 |
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| kanavin | viric, not really. I'm certain in my setup it will reuse sstate. | 10:27 |
| kanavin | it's a standard scenario and it works for everyone who's not doing strange things. | 10:28 |
| viric | hm I wonder what I am overlooking then | 10:32 |
| kanavin | viric, you might want to start with basic poky, and build systemd only | 10:41 |
| viric | Yes, I understand. Now suddenly I stopped being able to reproduce what I thought was evident. I'm clearly missing some detail | 10:42 |
| viric | thank you | 10:43 |
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| viric | how can I tell bitbake to build INITRAMFS_IMAGE ? | 10:58 |
| viric | so, the package the variable points to | 11:00 |
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| jonmason | Is there a plan to remove linux-yocto-rt now that the real time patches are fully upstreamed in the latest kernel? | 13:04 |
| RP | jonmason: that kernel recipe enables the rt features so probably not. zeddii would know more | 13:09 |
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| jonmason | Seems like that should be a yocto-kernel-cache feature, but probably something that should be discussed publicly | 13:10 |
| RP | jonmason: I think it is a KTYPE iirc | 13:10 |
| RP | so slightly higher level | 13:11 |
| jonmason | gotcha. I haven't looked into it, just thinking about simplifying our CI and the recent update on that came to mind | 13:11 |
| RP | jonmason: ironically we'll probably test more on the YP side now it is more standardised | 13:12 |
| jonmason | the combinatorial explosion that comes from 3 kernels, 3 compilers, uboot/edk2. glibc/musl...for all of our platforms. You know better than I with the autobuilder, but it's a lot | 13:13 |
| RP | jonmason: we can't make -rt an always on or always off option, it will always need a separate test | 13:20 |
| RP | whether it is a separate recipe of not doesn't really matter | 13:20 |
| jonmason | of course, but not sure it's something that needs to be tested on an architecture level (e.g., arm/arm64) for every possible board | 13:21 |
| jonmason | it should "just work" | 13:21 |
| RP | jonmason: er, I'm not convinced on that | 13:21 |
| jonmason | lol, fair | 13:22 |
| RP | you know how invasive -rt is right? | 13:22 |
| RP | its like me saying armv5 doesn't need testing as it is mostly just arm :) | 13:23 |
| jonmason | I mean, it shouldn't.... :D | 13:23 |
| RP | totally :) | 13:23 |
| jonmason | well see if rburton hard nack's my patch to remove it from CI | 13:24 |
| RP | jonmason: If rburton naks a removal patch I'd suspect alien abduction | 13:24 |
| jonmason | We need to get shirts made. "Burn it all down" - rburton | 13:26 |
| jonmason | I suspect internal people will still want coverage for it, something to discuss tomorrow | 13:27 |
| avocadosand | I’ll take this into consideration for next years swag ;) | 13:27 |
| RP | jonmason: it does have a lot of users for better or worse | 13:28 |
| jonmason | avocadosand: extra credit if you can AI his pic into the little girl buring down the house meme | 13:28 |
| jonmason | or the "this is fine" one | 13:29 |
| RP | avocadosand: I wonder if the different project members all have a particular catchphrase... | 13:29 |
| avocadosand | I gave out the This is Fine pins at OSS in Vienna. I have inspirational knitted creatures for ATO | 13:30 |
| jonmason | RP: the ones from zeddii cannot be put on a t-shirt ;-) | 13:31 |
| RP | avocadosand: I'm sad to be missing out on these! I'm quite proud to own a "Mentally Contaminated" pin badge... | 13:31 |
| RP | jonmason: there are ways and means... | 13:31 |
| avocadosand | You have one waiting for you when I see you next! | 13:32 |
| RP | avocadosand: awesome, thanks :) | 13:33 |
| jonmason | avocadosand: bring them to Cambridge in January | 13:34 |
| rburton | I pop to the tip to get rid of some crap and look what I come back to | 13:34 |
| zeddii | jonmason, no, it definitely stays. | 13:35 |
| zeddii | the biggest misconception is going to be "rt just works" | 13:35 |
| zeddii | there will a) still be patches b) be a dedicated configuration. | 13:35 |
| zeddii | I'm already testing those changes on linux-yoccto-dev | 13:35 |
| rburton | somewhere on my laptop is design for an OpenEmbedded Certified Tool tshirt | 13:35 |
| jonmason | zeddii: the kernel guys say it just works, and they'd never lie or exagerate | 13:36 |
| rburton | zeddii: did you see debbiemartin's question yesterday about the kernel and clang? is that a combo you've tried, or does the kernel explicitly force gcc right now? | 13:36 |
| zeddii | it doesn't force it per-se, but I've never tried it. | 13:37 |
| jonmason | I thought they got clang working with the kernel ages ago | 13:37 |
| rburton | yeah upstream, but not our recipes | 13:37 |
| jonmason | gotcha | 13:37 |
| zeddii | it might just be our variable definitions that have gcc assumptions for kernel_cc, etc. | 13:37 |
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| JPEW | RP: The code has changed forms slightly over time, but the idea of setting a variable to indicate that a package has an incompatible license has been the mechanism since the feature to check package licenses independently was added in 2012 | 15:33 |
| JPEW | poky bdf2d94c35b7e5ed1723f987696a6c865bff212c | 15:33 |
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| RP | JPEW: I'm happy to change this. That commit explains a few things! | 15:38 |
| JPEW | Cool, I'll do the tests about var deps you suggested and send the patches | 15:38 |
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| RP | thanks | 15:44 |
| RP | JPEW: I'm much happier when I know we've done the due diligence like this! | 15:44 |
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| vvn | do you guys run downloads and sstate mirrors locally, if so, do you serve them from a single server instance, or two servers? | 16:18 |
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| rburton | personally, single nfs server | 16:27 |
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| rburton | the AB is a single nfs mount, or http for public | 16:28 |
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| Guest81 | Hi, in branch scarthgap, commit 711c93422918 ("linux-firmware: upgrade 20240312 -> 20240909") introduced a regression were all firmware files are now installed (1.2G). Is this something that has been fixed, maybe in another branch? | 16:51 |
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| DixitP | qschulz I have shared new patch https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/yocto-patches/topic/matchbox_panel_2_v2_panel/109155941 as we discussed. Pls Have a look when you get a chance. | 17:17 |
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| vvn | rburton: then you configure your mirrors in site.conf or local.conf with <your-server>:1234/downloads and <your-server>:1234/sstate-cache? | 17:23 |
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| vvn | (guessing your downloads and sstate volumes are mounted as subfolders in your server) | 17:27 |
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| rburton | vvn: something like that | 19:18 |
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| tgamblin | the python 3.12.6 -> 3.13.0 upgrade is a doozy... but it's coming | 19:42 |
| * tgamblin sends to the wrong channel | 19:43 | |
| gmorell | haha oh are you having distutils issues too ;) | 19:43 |
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