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| qschulz | tgamblin: not sure there's going to be a v5 but I changed it locally already so if i need to send one it should be ready already :) | 08:42 |
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| RP | qschulz: quick question - in poky, should the component b4 config files be present or not (e.g. the one in yocto-docs)? | 09:51 |
| qschulz | RP: as far as I could tell, they don't matter because regardless of where you're running b4 from within poky git repo, the one at the root of the git repo will be used | 09:52 |
| qschulz | if that was your question | 09:52 |
| RP | qschulz: it was, thanks | 09:53 |
| qschulz | I can triple check from b4 source code if you want | 09:53 |
| qschulz | https://b4.docs.kernel.org/en/latest/config.html#per-project-defaults | 09:54 |
| qschulz | "A project may ship their own b4 configuration file with some defaults, located at the top-level of the git tree." | 09:54 |
| qschulz | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/b4/b4.git/tree/src/b4/__init__.py#n2914 and https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/b4/b4.git/tree/src/b4/__init__.py#n2918 | 09:55 |
| qschulz | seems to confirm this | 09:55 |
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| mcfrisk | rburton: could genericarm64 default to 6.12 kernel? testing 6.6 with poky-altcfg is not that useful since a lot of features are not in the kernel | 10:05 |
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| mcfrisk | I presume poky-altcfg is frozen to the alternative kernel 6.6 | 10:06 |
| mcfrisk | if I want to test genericarm64 with latest stable kernel and systemd, I need to manually tweak the machine or distro config now. local.conf override for kernel update doesn't work in poky-altcfg. and plain poky distro doesn't build with systemd by default, though that I could override in local.conf | 10:08 |
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| mcfrisk | then systemd-serialgetty seems to be slowing boot to systemd "running" state by minutes while real serial console login already works as it was started by systemd/udev | 10:10 |
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| RP | qschulz: it is fine, I just wanted to check before I try and merge things | 10:13 |
| RP | mcfrisk: if 6.6 doesn't work, we should probably be disabling it | 10:14 |
| mcfrisk | RP: it does work for serial console but for more advanced things like graphics not. kanavin_ said that poky-altcfg selection of 6.6 kernel is on purpose and thus I did not think we can change it. | 10:18 |
| mcfrisk | for genericarm64 machine, I think testing latest stable kernel is better to catch regressions earlier, and broad HW support without systemd and udev is not really working | 10:19 |
| RP | mcfrisk: we are supposed to test both kernels | 10:20 |
| mcfrisk | both kernel, with both sysvinit and systemd? AFAIK, official builds are only poky with latest kernel and sysvinit, and poky-altcfg for old stable kernel and systemd. | 10:23 |
| RP | mcfrisk: both kernels and both initsystems, we don't test all four combinations | 10:25 |
| RP | zeddii: are we keeping 6.6 for this release? | 10:25 |
| mcfrisk | yes, that's the problem for me. latest stable kernel and systemd is not an official configuration from poky or poky-altcfg | 10:26 |
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| kanavin_ | mcfrisk, there's only so many combinations we can test :-/ | 10:39 |
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| RP | qschulz: I've merged it. I created a commit for meta-yocto | 10:41 |
| RP | Hopefully i got it all right | 10:41 |
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| mcfrisk | kanavin_: I know, but testing newer kernels with systemd makes sense too, and many features need it. This could be a genericarm64 thing if rburton agrees. | 10:43 |
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| RP | mcfrisk: but then where does the 6.6 kernel get tested with genericarm64? | 10:43 |
| mcfrisk | but then I would like poky-altcfg to allow overriding kernel version in machine config | 10:43 |
| qschulz | RP: .b4-config in poky looks ok, so I guess it is :) | 10:43 |
| qschulz | RP: thanks! | 10:44 |
| RP | qschulz: thanks for working through it :) | 10:44 |
| mcfrisk | RP: good question | 10:44 |
| qschulz | RP: any plan on backporting it to older releases? | 10:44 |
| qschulz | FWIW, we should be able to add send-prefixed to .b4-config for older releases | 10:45 |
| qschulz | and it would add the branch the patch was developed against | 10:45 |
| kanavin_ | mcfrisk, maybe you can convince the vendor (e.g. ARM) to do this testing, rather than 'official yocto' | 10:45 |
| qschulz | (a different send-prefixed will be needed for each branch of course) | 10:45 |
| qschulz | send-prefixes* | 10:46 |
| RP | qschulz: hmm, this is straying into feature territory but I can see the advantage to doing it | 10:46 |
| qschulz | RP: i'm not pushing for it, the answer could be "don't know yet" or "let's see how it goes with master first" | 10:46 |
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| qschulz | I believe the send-prefixes one could be beneficial to the project | 10:46 |
| RP | qschulz: I'm leaning to the latter, lets test this with master | 10:46 |
| RP | qschulz: https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky-config/commit/?id=9944a5ec8a7d1680418fcfb0c51c80ae1e0bcc45 was the other bit of this FWIW | 10:47 |
| qschulz | RP: cool, will check with agodard what's our plan(s) for the yocto-docs part | 10:47 |
| qschulz | how to document it since we only can use it on the master branch for now | 10:47 |
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| RP | sakoman: you might find the above food for thought... | 10:48 |
| qschulz | RP: ah, I just realized I should have made changes to .b4-config return a To to the poky ML | 10:48 |
| qschulz | (it's not a big deal) | 10:49 |
| qschulz | because this script is only used when in poky git repo, so we know the .b4-config is poky's! | 10:49 |
| RP | qschulz: we can patch things :) | 10:49 |
| qschulz | and when changing OE-Core's .b4-config, this can only be done from OE-Core git repo | 10:49 |
| qschulz | which doesnt' call this script at all :) | 10:49 |
| qschulz | RP: will do :) | 10:50 |
| qschulz | RP: thanks for your patience and the poky-config patch, I hope this will make contribution easier | 10:50 |
| mcfrisk | kanavin_ RP : answer to testing 6.6 kernel is poky stable branch, not master branch | 10:50 |
| RP | qschulz: I figured I know combo-layer better than anyone else at this point | 10:50 |
| RP | mcfrisk: we don't do something different on release branches from development, that would be madness | 10:51 |
| qschulz | RP: the difficult part is I don't think anyone uses that tool except the maintainer? So that makes it a bit less accessible :) | 10:51 |
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| RP | qschulz: right, it is just steve and I and sometimes rburton | 10:51 |
| mcfrisk | RP: that is fine, 6.6 kernel will be tested in poky and poky-altcfg builds from stable/LTS branch. master should move away from it. | 10:53 |
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| rburton | RP mcfrisk: i tried that v4 uki/systemd series in meta-arm ci and it still fails | 11:22 |
| rburton | 2025-02-05 21:41:17 - INFO - | NOTE: Signing systemd-boot binary /builds/software/yocto/meta-arm/work/build/tmp/work/cortexa57-poky-linux/systemd-boot/257.1/build/src/boot/efi/systemd-bootaa64.efi with /builds/software/yocto/meta-arm/work/build/sbkeys/db.key and /builds/software/yocto/meta-arm/work/build/sbkeys/db.crt | 11:22 |
| rburton | 2025-02-05 21:41:17 - INFO - | Error reading file /builds/software/yocto/meta-arm/work/build/tmp/work/cortexa57-poky-linux/systemd-boot/257.1/build/src/boot/efi/systemd-bootaa64.efi: No such file or directory | 11:22 |
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| mcfrisk | rburton: you need to take https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/meta-arm/message/6350 too, Jon rejected that because of the failures in ukify which the poky side series fixes | 11:54 |
| rburton | aha thanks | 11:55 |
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| mcfrisk | I've been testing this and the upstream systemd fixes on meta-arm qemuarm64-secureboot builds with all oeqa tests enabled | 11:55 |
| rburton | ok fired again, cheers | 11:57 |
| mcfrisk | no problem, it should pass. if not, just let me know | 11:58 |
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| ThomasRoos | Has anyone installed openssl 1 and 3 together in a image yet? | 12:57 |
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| Schlumpf | Hi, stupid question: I have an image with an application, that uses GTK+3. If I populate a SDK for this image, the gtk3 headers and pkg-config .pc files are missing. Why? | 13:01 |
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| rburton | Schlumpf: shouldn't be. can you replicate that with eg the core-image-sato sdk? | 13:32 |
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| zeddii | RP: No, I planned on removing it, was waiting for M3, and then with FOSDEM fell behind on actually doing it. I'll send that with my next series. | 13:53 |
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| RP | zeddii: great, that will sort the problem then :) | 13:59 |
| RP | zeddii: I thought that was the plan but I could have lost track | 13:59 |
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| Slimey | https://rotatingsandwiches.com/ | 14:27 |
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| rburton | RP: fwiw I approve of mikko's patches | 14:52 |
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| RP | rburton: which ones? :) | 14:59 |
| rburton | well i tested v4 | 15:00 |
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| RP | rburton: so no the meta-yocto-bsp one for example? :) | 15:01 |
| RP | rburton: but I do know know which ones you mean | 15:01 |
| * mcfrisk sends too many patches, rburton talks about systemd-boot-native/ukify :) | 15:02 | |
| rburton | yes :) | 15:02 |
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| zhmylove | Hello! Is there any way to share a single python dict() between tasks? Even any dirty ways? I don't want to write it in file and read it hundreds times | 16:19 |
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| rburton | if there was, can you _guarantee_ that with sstate involved and short-circuiting lots of operations that it would make sense still? | 16:22 |
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| rburton | like what if only one of the tasks re-ran in a build | 16:22 |
| rburton | much easier to write a file. pickle it if speed is a priority. | 16:22 |
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| zhmylove | I need to share read-only data structure being created at the stage of sstate cache checking with tasks defined in sstate.bbclass | 16:26 |
| zhmylove | I can guarantee, yes | 16:26 |
| zhmylove | I do not want pickle and write to a temp file | 16:26 |
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| rburton | maybe explain what you're trying to do because there might be a better way? | 16:27 |
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| zhmylove | OK, I'll try. Right now I'm creating index file for my 156 sstate-cache servers. Yocto is really slow now iterating over those servers | 16:28 |
| zhmylove | It asks for each cachefile all of them with HEAD query | 16:28 |
| rburton | sounds like the fix would be to implement a session cache so it can pipeline the requests | 16:29 |
| zhmylove | I have dict() with key = sstatefile and value = mirror url. I want to share it with tasks inherited from sstate.bbclass in order to shor-circuit cache search | 16:29 |
| zhmylove | The problem is not in sessions. The problem is that Yocto iterates over the sstate mirror URLs one by one for each task | 16:30 |
| zhmylove | Given 6000 tasks and 156 servers it results into a 1 million of HEAD queries | 16:30 |
| rburton | 156 servers?! | 16:30 |
| zhmylove | YES | 16:30 |
| Slimey | thats over 9000 | 16:31 |
| rburton | erm why | 16:31 |
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| zhmylove | Our system is very distributed due to power loss issues. Moreover, all those 156 sstate cache servers sometimes keep their different versions of cache | 16:32 |
| zhmylove | BTW returning to my question. How can I share a data structure constructed before do_* tasks executed with them? | 16:33 |
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| rburton | you can add something to d before any tasks run but each task has a copy-on-write clone of the data store so you need to be sneaky | 16:34 |
| rburton | i still say you're working around the wrong thing. don't have 156 separate sstate mirrors, or maybe bitbake should stop iterating when it finds a match | 16:35 |
| rburton | as you admit that your mirrors are not in sync, it sounds like your solution should be a proper distributed file store | 16:35 |
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| zhmylove | Yeah, this optimization is clearly our future plan. Thank you Ross! And have a nice day! | 16:47 |
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| rburton | hm | 21:03 |
| rburton | ERROR: dbus-1.16.0-r0 do_package_qa: QA Issue: File /usr/lib/systemd/user/dbus.socket in package dbus-common contains reference to TMPDIR [buildpaths] <-- anyone seen that? | 21:03 |
| rburton | (mathieudb specifically ;) | 21:03 |
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| khem | Equinix is shutting down its operations with us on April 30, 2025. They have graciously supported us for almost 5 years, but all good things come to an end. | 22:54 |
| khem | shows up when you go to https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/ | 22:54 |
| khem | so I wonder if its another SRC_UTI rewrite time coming in few months | 22:54 |
| khem | alpine has same issue - https://www.alpinelinux.org/posts/Seeking-Support-After-Equinix-Metal-Sunsets.html | 22:55 |
| khem | hope it finds a new home soon | 22:55 |
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