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| paulg | kanavin_, you have got me there. I tagged your RFC as something I needed to look into since it had the potential to make setup/configure suck so much less. | 01:03 |
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| paulg | Believe me, I know. I was there in 200 trying to sell people on how kernel configuration should be BSP oriented and not about generic options like CGL or blah-blah file system this-or-that. | 01:07 |
| paulg | s/200/2005/ | 01:07 |
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| paulg | some guy I know who name rhymes with "wed" was there as my witness, and both of us got set on fire for suggesting "git" was suitable for mainstream use. | 01:09 |
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| leon-anavi | hi derRichard, following up the conversation from yesterday about bmap, did you run into the same problem when flashing the image with the "--nobmap" option? | 08:44 |
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| derRichard | leon-anavi: well, i tried hard all night, i was unable to reproduce the issue in anyway. sadly, i don't know what was before on the sdcard. | 08:51 |
| derRichard | filling before flashing with /dev/urandom also didn't help to trigger the issue :-/ | 08:51 |
| leon-anavi | I spoke with other people and no one complained about the same. I think it was because of mismatch with the old content of the microSD card that you tried. | 08:53 |
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| leon-anavi | Therefore I still think it will be beneficial to leave a comment in the similar issue in GitHub about bmaptool. The one that we discussed yesterday. | 08:53 |
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| derRichard | leon-anavi: but bmaptool is not to blame | 08:56 |
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| derRichard | before i don't know what's really goging on i'm reluctant | 08:57 |
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| derRichard | what also puzzles me is that u-boot failed with an internal error (-EFAULT) in the bootflow logic | 08:58 |
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| leon-anavi | well, it worked out with dd and you had this issue that we cannot reproduce anymore with bmap... | 09:00 |
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| derRichard | maybe my sdcard reader is wonky and ate some bits while i used bmap? :D | 09:23 |
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| RP | derRichard: as long as it doesn't find and add them back later :) | 09:39 |
| derRichard | ;-) | 09:41 |
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| jonmason | RP: sounding an idea off of you. In the YP Docs for patches (https://docs.yoctoproject.org/contributor-guide/recipe-style-guide.html#patch-upstream-status). What if we added a "[reason]" after "Pending"? I think having to justify why it's not been at least submitted might make people think twice about just throwing it out there and walking away | 14:28 |
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| jonmason | We're having that issue in meta-arm and I'm about to rage spam people about it | 14:29 |
| jonmason | if you don't hate it, i'll do a patch to the docs | 14:29 |
| RP | jonmason: to be honest Pending was only there to grandfather in the whole mess of patches we already had | 14:30 |
| RP | jonmason: we can't really mandate it without adding that to all the existing patches as things like patchtest will compain | 14:31 |
| RP | jonmason: how about noting that Pending usually designates an older patch from before upstream status was effectively required? | 14:32 |
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| wdouglass | Hello, i have a recipe that has a configure step that looks like | 14:49 |
| wdouglass | do_configure() { | 14:49 |
| wdouglass | : | 14:49 |
| wdouglass | } | 14:49 |
| wdouglass | what does that single colon mean? | 14:49 |
| JPEW | wdouglass: ":" is the shell equivalent of "noop". Its useful when the syntax requires a statement, but you don't want to do anything | 14:51 |
| wdouglass | ahh, so like `pass` in python. ok cool, thanks! | 14:51 |
| JPEW | wdouglass: Correct | 14:51 |
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| jonmason | RP: what if we saying "[reason]" is only required for patches post walnascar? | 14:56 |
| RP | jonmason: I think we just have to recommend a reason be given. Otherwise patchtest is going to have a hard time knowing when to complain | 14:59 |
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| * mcfrisk appends "Upstream-Status: Pending" to a lot patches under development. maybe should disable the qacheck instead... gets harder with 10's of patches, rebases, revisions etc. Need for it is clear though | 15:06 | |
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| mcfrisk | hmm, git hook to automatically add it after diffstat, that could help | 15:07 |
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| paulg | The whole "Upstream-Status" thing, which I never was a fan of, really becomes transparently pointless once you delegate it to scripts and robots. | 15:10 |
| JPEW | paulg: It's really useful, and much better than the alternative where we have no idea what state things were in | 15:11 |
| RP | paulg: and yet it actually helps an awful lot | 15:11 |
| mcfrisk | yes but it's needed when developing the patches. writing it manually to 21 patches is not too much work, but still annoying to forget when build fails. | 15:11 |
| JPEW | paulg: Also generates really useful metrics | 15:12 |
| RP | I can acutally prove it with numbers too, https://valkyrie.yocto.io/pub/non-release/patchmetrics/ "Patch Upstream-Status Counts" | 15:12 |
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| paulg | ooh! metrics! | 15:13 |
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| paulg | JPEW, you wouldn't be wrong. https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/items/a940a4bc-85bf-49dc-9976-c2d8f382ae10 | 15:15 |
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| JPEW | paulg: Yep. It's always the scientists that get really excited about the graphs :) | 15:16 |
| RP | is it sad I know what epitaxy is without looking it up | 15:16 |
| jonmason | Upstream-status is extremely useful to me | 15:17 |
| jonmason | it helps me keep internal people accountable for upstreaming their stuff | 15:17 |
| JPEW | RP: Nah, it's just a awesome party trick.... in the right circles :) | 15:17 |
| * zeddii just uses inappropriate for all his patches :) | 15:17 | |
| jonmason | and actually use logic on why they aren't upstreaming | 15:17 |
| jonmason | zeddii: sshhhhhh | 15:17 |
| jonmason | don't let them know about that | 15:18 |
| zeddii | it is the medium, not the message that paulg and I object to. but I won't rehash that. | 15:18 |
| jonmason | I have a script that I send to management with Pending patches and how old they are | 15:18 |
| RP | The key point is that it makes people at least think about whether something should be upstreamed | 15:18 |
| RP | zeddi and paulg aren't the people who need that kind of hint | 15:18 |
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| jonmason | yes, this is usually not needed | 15:19 |
| jonmason | but there are...groups who need something for a release, that's like 2 days away | 15:19 |
| paulg | zeddi and paulg aren't the people who take a hint from anybody. | 15:19 |
| jonmason | "we'll get back to it" | 15:19 |
| jonmason | and now they are 3 years old | 15:19 |
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| JPEW | paulg: There's still hope for you | 15:20 |
| zeddii | I don't actually care about that, if I haven't noticed them in three years, I don't care. | 15:20 |
| jonmason | without naming names, there is a plaform with 50 u-boot patches that are over a year old | 15:20 |
| zeddii | if they've caused me pain, they'll either be updated, or chucked in the bin. | 15:20 |
| jonmason | zeddii: are there any patches you maintain for the kernel? | 15:21 |
| jonmason | I thought we were running stock upstream | 15:22 |
| jonmason | ;-) | 15:22 |
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| rfs613 | only 50 patches? amateurs ;-) | 15:23 |
| paulg | I'll admit, twenty+ years ago I was all altruistic - thinking "every patch needs to be pushed upstream". But then phones came along, with a hardware TTL of less than five years. Do you really want/need the burden of that shit upstream? No. And so my perspective on the issue shifted. | 15:23 |
| zeddii | paulg was dr death in the kernel for several years, so he walked the talk! | 15:24 |
| jonmason | having to port someone's half-assed patch to a new version gets old really quickly | 15:24 |
| RP | paulg: some stuff is really hard but there is a huge number of trivial things which really should just be sent | 15:25 |
| JPEW | paulg: Also there is a huge difference between a phone manufacturer choosing to take on technical debt like that and what OpenEmbedded should do :) | 15:26 |
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| jonmason | honestly, you could just "Submit" it and throw it over the wall to a mailing list and run away | 15:27 |
| jonmason | it'd like 5 seconds extra work for a mailing list | 15:27 |
| jonmason | and not "Pending" | 15:27 |
| paulg | oh yeah, 'cause there is nothing maintainers like more than a "dump-n-run" | 15:27 |
| jonmason | better than never knowing an issue exists | 15:28 |
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| paulg | actually, no. Because it wastes the maintainer's time - it wastes the time of the readers of the stream. | 15:29 |
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| RP | paulg: depends on the issue. Gnarly kernel patches are one thing but many of the smaller projects so prefer to know they broke musl or something | 15:29 |
| paulg | sure - trivial build breakage are another thing - but if you aren't willing to stand behind your submission and defend it technically, then just please fuck off. | 15:30 |
| RP | paulg: I'm feeling really bad I didn't follow up on a go patch I submitted a few years ago and it timed out :( | 15:31 |
| RP | they use gerrit though and I just can't work that which was half the problem | 15:31 |
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| paulg | RP, when you are standing at the pearly gates, they will ask you about that go patch you never followed through on. | 15:33 |
| RP | paulg: I suspect that won't be the first thing! | 15:33 |
| fray | lol | 15:33 |
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| jonmason | Just imagine if god cared more about technical debt than being a good person. It seems like it should be an xkcd comic | 15:38 |
| jonmason | "You're going to purgatory to burn off all of the patches you did" | 15:40 |
| JPEW | jonmason: "But is was a devout patch reviewer at Our Mother of the Mailing List!" | 15:43 |
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| JPEW | s/is/I/ | 15:44 |
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| jonmason | JPEW: you coveted your neighbors green CI | 15:44 |
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| jonmason | JPEW: if you need sbom issue repro's, I have tons of them - https://gitlab.com/jonmason00/meta-arm/-/jobs/9151395195 | 15:58 |
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| JPEW | jonmason: Ya, That would be helpful. I'm currently stuck in Compliance regulation hell, but I'll try to make some time to look at that later today | 15:59 |
| jonmason | seems like clang makes it happen a ton in my CI | 15:59 |
| JPEW | K. You have my os.walk() patch applied? | 16:00 |
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| jonmason | did that make it into master yet? | 16:00 |
| jonmason | if not, no | 16:00 |
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| jonmason | not 100% reproducible AFAICT | 16:00 |
| jonmason | as I just keep retrying and it works evertually | 16:00 |
| RP | JPEW: so you want me to look at meta-mingw if you're busy? You're probably best used on the sbom stuff | 16:01 |
| RP | s/so/do/ | 16:01 |
| JPEW | I did push the pending patch, I hadn't gotten around to looking at the patch refreshes :/ | 16:01 |
| JPEW | Unrelated: a recent change in bitbake requires Python 3.9 (I'll post SHA-1 shortly); should we bump it? | 16:02 |
| JPEW | Looks like it was backported to scarthgap, so at a minuimum we'll need to replace the code there | 16:03 |
| fray | I thought we were already requiring (scarthgap on) 3.9 or 3.10 on.. maybe I'm remembering wrong | 16:04 |
| JPEW | It's still 3.8 on scarthgap according to the check and docus | 16:04 |
| JPEW | docs | 16:04 |
| RP | JPEW: which bitbake change? :/ | 16:04 |
| fray | ok, then I am remembering wrong | 16:04 |
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| jonmason | JPEW: seems like juno and clang repro the issue fairly regularily. I'm going to see if doing that locally helps to repro it | 16:05 |
| JPEW | RP: c51f01a35 ("cooker: Make cooker 'skiplist' per-multiconfig/mc") | 16:06 |
| JPEW | removeprefix() was added in 3.9 | 16:06 |
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| JPEW | It's relatively easy to write a replacement, just wasn't sure if that was preferable to bumping the minimum version on master | 16:07 |
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| RP | JPEW: we need to check which versions we have on the autobuilder distros | 16:09 |
| RP | it would be nice to use newer versions but it really depends where the distros are | 16:09 |
| fray | 3.12 of course if the host-tools are used | 16:09 |
| RP | we don't just use hosttools everywhere | 16:10 |
| fray | yup | 16:11 |
| JPEW | I suspect the distros with Python < 3.9 are using hosttools and maybe that's why we didn't see it | 16:11 |
| fray | that's what I was guessing as well | 16:13 |
| RP | JPEW: Ubuntu 20.04 uses 3.8 | 16:14 |
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| JPEW | That track, since that's also where we see the error | 16:15 |
| RP | JPEW: we don't use hosttools on 20.04 so we've been lucky | 16:15 |
| fray | ya, my primary builder is 22.04 which is 3.10 so that explains why I haven't seen it... | 16:16 |
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| JPEW | OK, so probably the best option is to replace and keep the minimum 3.8 ? | 16:17 |
| RP | JPEW: unless we want to change 20.04 to use hosttols | 16:17 |
| RP | er, buildtools | 16:17 |
| fray | Ya, for scarthgap I think so. | 16:17 |
| RP | we certainly shouldn't do that for stable | 16:18 |
| JPEW | Ya, for sure | 16:18 |
| fray | looking at the hunk with the removeprefix, at first glance, it looks like it was just an optimziation of the existing code.. remove that hunk and I think it will still work right (tm) | 16:19 |
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| fray | hmm there might be one line in the hunk in query.py that is needed.. the skiplist = changed how it was being set, the new version might be required with the ither lines not | 16:20 |
| JPEW | I have someone who can make the patch, I just was curious if needed a different fix on master | 16:21 |
| fray | personally I'm OK if master moved to 3.9 or even newer.. it's only scarthgap (and maybe styhead) we need to worry about | 16:21 |
| fray | (IMHO) | 16:22 |
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| JPEW | fray: Sure... I don't necessarily want to make a lot of work for the AB maintainers over one line though | 16:22 |
| fray | ya | 16:22 |
| JPEW | RP: Is making ubuntu 20.04 use buildtools as simple as adding "ubuntu2004*": "${BUILDTOOLS_URL}" to "buildtools" in config.json in yocto-autobuild-helper? | 16:24 |
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| denix | is it normal to have duplicates in OVERRIDES list? I'm seeing "aarch64" twice - first coming from TRANSLATED_TARGET_ARCH and second from MACHINEOVERRIDES which gets populated from the corresponding tunes files | 16:51 |
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| denix | the only issue is that pn-XXX and layer-XXX overrides come in between those two, making it unclear which one takes precedence | 17:05 |
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| RP | JPEW: that and changing the min version requirements in various places | 17:11 |
| RP | denix: it shouldn't be an issue and there is a defined ordering for that, forcevariable is strongest | 17:11 |
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| denix | RP: yeah, I know about the order. it appears if there are duplicates, the stronger one gets handled. it's unfortunate that "aarch64" is both a target arch and one of the actual tunes... | 17:29 |
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| denix | e.g. in ARM32 the overrides list will have "...:arm:pn-XXX:layer-XXX:armv7a:..." while in ARM64 it will have "...:aarch64:pn-XXX:layer-XXX:aarch64:..." | 17:31 |
| denix | a very corner-case scenario, but if you use :arm and :aarch64 overrides along with :pn-XXX or :layer-XXX, they will work differently between 32 and 64 bit platforms | 17:34 |
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| RP | denix: that is very unfortunate :/ | 17:49 |
| RP | denix: this is why we've tried to prefix many of the overrides like pn- | 17:50 |
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| NishanthMenon | I was trying to build poky core-image-sato for genericarm64 with the intent of enabling img powervr and ran into this error - not sure if anyone has any suggestions (kas configuration file and error linked here) https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZGF2PHDL/error.txt https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zOetmsx6/poky.yml | 18:41 |
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| khem | NishanthMenon: your kas config looks ok, the error however is unusual, some how while generating rpm for ofono and rustlib it failed to add correct rdepends to rpm metadata | 21:10 |
| khem | do you see any crashes on your build system ? | 21:10 |
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| NishanthMenon | khem: nope | 21:18 |
| NishanthMenon | I can try and trigger a clean build again and see.. | 21:18 |
| khem | how about cleaning ofono and trying to rebuild again ? | 21:18 |
| khem | and see if this helps | 21:19 |
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| khem | if clean rebuild of ofono fixes ofono errors then its some transient failure which could be hard to tell | 21:22 |
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| khem | perhaps the container layer from kas could be doing something who knows | 21:23 |
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| NishanthMenon | Ok. I will try. Thanks for the hint. | 21:27 |
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| JPEW | khem: Does the YP compatible badge logo in meta-clang have to have the unicode TM in the filename? It's messing up our CI | 21:49 |
| khem | I dont think so, I stuck whatever was handed to my by Josef, feel free to rename it and patch the README | 21:52 |
| khem | and what kind of CI do you use which cant handle UTF | 21:53 |
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| JPEW | khem: git ls-files in some scripts | 21:58 |
| khem | hmm ok | 21:58 |
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| DvorkinDmitry | how to correctly disable busybox in the image recipe? | 22:04 |
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