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| [2025-04-08 08:44:45] <eduter> Hi everyone. Quick question. Can I run using the quick emulator "qemu", a rootfs ext4 generated from my Yocto build which was targeting a vendor machine phygate-tauri-l-imx8mm-2? | ||
| [2025-04-08 08:45:01] <eduter> Or the emulator only works when one targets qemu machines? | ||
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| [2025-04-08 09:03:12] <yocton> eduter: It should theoreticaly be possible but my guess is that it does not work out-of-the-box and will require work | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:03:43] <eduter> yocton Ok Yocto thanks! I will give it a try and see how far I get :-) | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:06:21] <mcfrisk> eduter: it should be possible to boot your kernel and tune settings, with correct qemu machine/cpu setup, but the peripherals will be different so some virtualization or block device drivers may need to be enabled in you kernel for this to work. And/or which firmware you use, booting u-boot with qemu is possible and that enables also using similar kernel load mechanisms as real target, except the backend | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:06:27] <mcfrisk> drivers may be different on qemu. | ||
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| [2025-04-08 09:08:44] <eduter> mcfrisk thanks for sharing your wisdom! Ok understood :-) | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:10:52] <mcfrisk> "runqemu slirp nographic novga $your_image" is a starting point, then adjust the QB variables so that needed arguments are given to qemu-system to select correct CPU etc to emulate | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:15:47] <eduter> mcfrisk Ok. I will try to gather as many specific info as possible to try to have the emulator running as close as possible machine to my real physical target. | ||
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| [2025-04-08 09:47:30] <kanavin> eduter, unless you want to emulate specific features of the target, you're better off using qemux86-64 with kvm (or qemuarm64 if your build host is arm). | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:47:44] <kanavin> You'll be able to run target userspace apps at native speed | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:48:16] <kanavin> if your host and target architecure don't match, qemu will resort to software emulation, which is not quick at all. | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:48:54] <eduter> kanavin my build host is x86_64. So in my local.conf I should maybe consider setting MACHINE="qemuxarm64"? My host build machine is x86_64 but my target machine is ARM64 (AARCH64) | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:49:10] <kanavin> eduter, MACHINE='qemux86=64' | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:49:21] <kanavin> and then use kvm parameter with runqemu | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:49:56] <kanavin> this way qemu will not emulate target cpu instructions, but rather just execute them directly on the host cpu, because they match | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:50:04] <eduter> kanavin ok... the recommendation here is to match the architecture of my build host machine... so I should set MACHINE='qemux86-64' and then use the kvm parameter | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:50:23] <kanavin> yeah | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:52:34] <eduter> kanavin ok!!! I thought "ideally" I should target the machine of the real hardware! I did not know about the performance... ok will try that kanavin. thanks :-) | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:55:58] <rburton> eduter: emulating the real hardware is hard, and qemu doesn't have full emulations of many modern systems, especially a specific arm board. its often easier to just port your image explicitly to qemu (so it doesn't assume certain hardware the real target board has) and then you can run it with kvm for speed. | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:57:05] <kanavin> 'port your image' == 'ensure that userspace can function in useful ways and not immediately fail due to missing sensors or peripherals' | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:57:40] <kanavin> depends on what your stack actually does | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:58:51] <eduter> ok :-) I am learning here, thanks for explaining things in detail | ||
| [2025-04-08 09:59:33] <mcfrisk> for real products, I've found that qemu and emulation, and evaluation kits are useful in early rampup when HW is being prepared. Then later on all focus needs to switch to real HW. In major transitions, like yocto updates, booting an image in qemu for quick sanity checks can be faster than working with real HW but again at some point the switch to real target HW must happen | ||
| [2025-04-08 10:03:50] <eduter> mcfrisk Yes of course the best is to try in real hardware. | ||
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| [2025-04-08 10:08:54] <kanavin> the golden standard is to have a CI pipeline that builds the image with yocto, flashes it on the hardware, and runs tests | ||
| [2025-04-08 10:09:50] <kanavin> then you can plug it into various process points, maybe even do it with every proposed change to the master branch, etc. | ||
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| [2025-04-08 11:26:57] <LetoThe2nd> concerning SPDX, with SPDX_INCLUDE_SOURCES = "1", where would I actually go digging for a list of source files which were used to generate a specific file/binary on the target? | ||
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| [2025-04-08 11:34:41] <LetoThe2nd> when digging into the per recipe spdx files I just find lists of cross references, but how to actually trace that back to real file names? | ||
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| [2025-04-08 11:59:07] <LetoThe2nd> Ok, it seems to be expanded in the final per-image spdx.json, but not anywhere else AFAICS. | ||
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| [2025-04-08 14:28:44] <tgamblin> how does one prevent a package from being installed in an image? isn't there a way to do it that doesn't involve tweaking the RDEPENDS of recipes that pull it in? | ||
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| [2025-04-08 14:41:18] <smurray> tgamblin: there's PACKAGE_EXCLUDE | ||
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| [2025-04-08 14:42:32] <tgamblin> smurray: thanks - I was getting stuck on IMAGE_INSTALL:remove not working | ||
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| [2025-04-08 14:48:16] <smurray> tgamblin: BAD_RECOMMENDATIONS is also another option if it's specifically a recommends that's pulling something | ||
| [2025-04-08 14:49:07] <tgamblin> smurray: in this case I've got a packagegroup that's including a recipe, which I don't want in the image | ||
| [2025-04-08 14:49:34] <tgamblin> smurray: it's arago-gpl-notice in meta-arago-distro (don't need it in the image for debug purposes, and it only seems to add init scripts) | ||
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| [2025-04-08 14:50:22] <smurray> tgamblin: yeah, if you don't want to bbappend the packagegroup, then likely PACKAGE_EXCLUDE is it | ||
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| [2025-04-08 14:56:25] <tgamblin> smurray: alright, thanks | ||
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| [2025-04-08 19:15:05] <khem> kanavin:gold standard! been there and done that :) however it hits bottlenecks as you scale the teams and products, emulation is powerful to leverage all along the life cycle of products because you have to separate components into their own CI loops | ||
| [2025-04-08 19:16:56] <khem> careful s/w architecture for products will let you do that effectively e.g. networking products can be tested using topology crafted with containers right on dev's box | ||
| [2025-04-08 19:19:22] <khem> e.g. have layers well defined and create OCI images for components under test - launch the containers for n/w topologies needed to be tested, start test | ||
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