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| tgamblin | kanavin: thanks for your suggestion on the python3 patch. I'm planning on sending a new revision mid-late next week | 00:39 |
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| kanavin | tgamblin, welcome | 06:13 |
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| walter | I finally discovered how things like a `usbgadget` distro feature get's "translated" into actuall packages that are installed. For usbgadget specifically, it's an RRECOMMENDS from packagegroup-basic.bb. https://git.openembedded.org/meta-openembedded/tree/meta-oe/recipes-core/packagegroups/packagegroup-basic.bb#n43 | 10:02 |
| walter | Now, what does RRECOMENDS on `kernel-module-g-ether` do? Does it only install the module if it's enabled, or does it also enable it? I can't seem to find anything related to this in code. | 10:04 |
| walter | My impression is that you also need to menuconfig&diffconfig to generate a fragment and SRC_URI:append it. | 10:06 |
| walter | Wouldn't it be better if a DISTRO/MACHINE_FEATURE also enables a kernel module, not just RRECOMMEND it. Or am I missing something? | 10:07 |
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| mcfrisk | walter: problem is that RRECOMMENDS lists binary packages. kernel driver support can be built-in or a module, which creates a binary package. So the binary package may or may not exist, depending on kernel config. Thus it is tricky to add kernel module packages as runtime dependencies to anything. | 10:09 |
| mcfrisk | also related, most sample machines in poky thus install all kernel modules to all images by default, using MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS += "kernel-modules" in machine config. | 10:11 |
| walter | I see. Thanks. | 10:13 |
| mcfrisk | if image size is reduced with NO_RECOMMENDATIONS = "1", then users need to define these kernel packages dependencies and install them to images manually, which depends on the exact kernel config used (if package even exists) | 10:13 |
| mcfrisk | would be nice to have a dependency to kernel features, if specific driver or config is enabled, agnostic of built-in or module, but that does not exist | 10:13 |
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| rburton | jmd: DEFAULT_TIMEZONE="Europe/London" in your local.conf, as it's a ?= in the recipe | 10:31 |
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| qschulz | jmd: or a bbappend for the tzdata recipe | 10:33 |
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| walter | After recent changes in master branches, not sure which, it seems that llvm-native, rust-native and cargo-native are being recompiled after almost every change of distro features. I don't see anything in llvm_git.bb that might indicate the need to recompile after every distro feature change. | 14:24 |
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| qschulz | walter: check with bitbake-diffsigs to know what triggered the rebuild | 14:24 |
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| walter | I didn't know about that. thanks. Will check as soon as the rebuild is finished. | 14:26 |
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| rburton | walter: the root there would be llvm as rust depends on llvm and cargo depends on rust. first, be sure you've turned on hash equivilance. | 14:30 |
| rburton | walter: second, have a look at the full build log and see what rebuilds before llvm. my hunch is that you're causing a rebuild of python-native which can bubble out badly if you don't have hashequiv enabled. | 14:31 |
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| walter | thanks a lot. | 14:33 |
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| khem | we do add conditional fragmenets e.g. KERNEL_FEATURES:append = " ${@bb.utils.contains("DISTRO_FEATURES", "ptest", " features/net/team/team.scc", "", d)}" in linux-yocto recipe | 16:02 |
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| walter | Oh yeah, I did get rid of ptest in my last change, but I don't know what I did before. I'm now looking onto hash equivalence and bitbake-diffsigs. | 16:05 |
| khem | jmd: w.r.t. timezone look into /usr/share/zoneinfo there are subdirs and files you can use any one of them e.g. what Ross suggested is subdir/zone | 16:06 |
| khem | rebuilds depend upon which distro feature is touched as well, which is not clear in the message e.g. if you touch lto, thin-lto it will result in llvm recompile | 16:08 |
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| khem | rburton: https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/log/?h=kraj/clang-as-hostcc-for-llvm is another approach to build rust with llvm runtime | 16:19 |
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| mckoan | does exist a command that shows the layers and their SHAs involved in a configuration without actually run a build? | 16:22 |
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| walter | So, it turns out it's not some sort of bug in recent changes of OE, most probably it was me that triggered those rebuilds every time. I wasted quite a few hours of build time, but the good news it's that I've learned new stuff... so not a complete waste. | 16:33 |
| rburton | mckoan: --parse-only might be what you want? | 16:35 |
| rburton | walter: if you've a slowish machine but lots of disk then inherit ccache is a sensible idea | 16:35 |
| rburton | walter: even better if you're using master (which i expect you're not) but ASSUME_PROVIDED += "ccache-native" HOSTTOOLS += "ccache" will let it use a host ccache to accelerate native recipes too | 16:36 |
| walter | I do use master, I switched to it recently. | 16:36 |
| walter | I'm trying to learn stuff here... so, what better way. :) | 16:37 |
| mckoan | rburton: thank you Ross, that doesn't show anything | 16:38 |
| walter | Not sure if it counts as slow; I've got an 11th Gen Intel i7-11800H @ 2.30GHz with 32GB of RAM and 2TB of NVMe. But it feels slow... | 16:38 |
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| rburton | if you want llvm to rebuild in 30s, then install ccache :) | 16:41 |
| rburton | if you want to do the native ccache thing then install your distro's ccache and delete tmp so it regenerates the hosttools. it will, unfortunately, cause a rebuild when enabled. i need to figure out how to stop that. | 16:42 |
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| walter | do folks share CCACHE_TOP_DIR between projects? I moved DL_DIR and SSTATE_DIR to /opt, should I also move CCACHE_TOP_DIR? | 16:52 |
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| khem | mckoan: if you use git submodules to manage the project - then git submodule status is all you need | 17:03 |
| rburton | walter: sure | 17:04 |
| rburton | i have sstate/dl/ccache all in /work/ross | 17:04 |
| rburton | no point not sharing | 17:04 |
| mckoan | khem: I'd like to have a solution for every situation | 17:05 |
| khem | yeah in my projects I have a command yoe_link_downloads_sstate <dir> :) which is what I do on starting a new project | 17:05 |
| rburton | i have a site.conf that I symlink into new build trees and sets the right paths | 17:05 |
| mckoan | khem: probably it's a matter of extracting the kinda header messages from bitbake somewhere | 17:06 |
| walter | Cool, I'll probably do that as well. Talking about sharing project config... how can I download patches from the mailing list? I wanna read the docs for bitbake-setup: https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/topic/116033122 -- there's no section for appying patches in the contributing docs. Just `git am` is mentioned once. but no way to download patches. | 17:12 |
| rburton | walter: i find the easiest way is to use lore and b4. so eg a thread on lore is https://lore.kernel.org/yocto-docs/20251030-bitbake-setup-v1-0-f44a8a2b7c0b@bootlin.com/T/#t, install b4 and then you can do `b4 am <that url or the message-id>` | 17:13 |
| rburton | personally i have a shortcut in my mailer to copy the message-id to the clipboard so i hit that and then do b4 am <paste> | 17:13 |
| khem | mckoan: yeah bitbake -p perhaps can be made to also print the build config as the end, | 17:13 |
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| mckoan | khem: bitbake -p doen't prin anything, sorry | 17:21 |
| khem | I know it does not as of now, but perhaps could be enahanced | 17:21 |
| khem | rburton: I even share my ccache store across builds ( yoe and oecore etc ) | 17:22 |
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| rburton | mckoan: bitbake os-release --dry-run :) | 17:23 |
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| khem | my caches blow very quickly due to wild combinations I build but it gets me through a month or so | 17:23 |
| mckoan | khem: rburton: looks line this is the solution: bitbake -n core-image-minimal | 17:23 |
| mckoan | -n, --dry-run Don't execute, just go through the motions. | 17:23 |
| rburton | mckoan: os-release would pretend to do a lot less | 17:23 |
| mckoan | rburton: excellent! thank a lot | 17:24 |
| mckoan | khem: thanks as well :-) | 17:24 |
| mckoan | bitbake -n os-release | 17:24 |
| khem | yeah I refrained from suggesting -n | 17:25 |
| rburton | -n is great! | 17:25 |
| khem | I have bitbake -n pseudo-native | 17:25 |
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| khem | rburton: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/109 there is only strace a few ptests failing, which seems strace should understand musl better on arm64 how it reroutes the syscalls into kernel | 17:31 |
| khem | the tests do not really fail, both are working as designed, strace is looking for different output ( as it gets on glibc ) syscalls are working as expected | 17:32 |
| rburton | fun | 17:33 |
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| rfmerrill | Hi all! I apologize if this is a FAQ that I just missed somehow but: How exactly does `wic` decide how big to make a partition when it's not given a fixed size? It feels like it's growing my last partition by a completely arbitrary amount. | 20:57 |
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| walter | rfmerrill: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/variables.html#term-IMAGE_OVERHEAD_FACTOR | 21:27 |
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| rfmerrill | walter which of the two overhead factors mentioned there are you referring to? | 22:24 |
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| walter | You have IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE, which is only used if it's bigger than the actual size of the rootfs multiplied by the IMAGE_OVERHEAD_FACTOR, then you add IMAGE_ROOTFS_EXTRA_SPACE to the result. So, if you set IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE to a big enough number and set extra space to zero, that's the exact size that you get. I think. | 22:30 |
| walter | oh... there's an explenation in here: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/variables.html#term-IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE | 22:31 |
| rfmerrill | I guess what confuses me about those variable names is that they say "ROOTFS" in them which I would assume means they're referring to, well, the rootfs, not the entire disk image including all the partitions | 22:33 |
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| rfmerrill | The partition I'm having this issue with is, importantly, *not* the rootfs and is mostly empty (it has like a few megs out of 128G) | 22:33 |
| walter | Oh, the disk image is defined in the wks file that you are using. | 22:34 |
| rfmerrill | Yes. | 22:34 |
| rfmerrill | So we're back to my initial question again :) | 22:35 |
| rfmerrill | How exactly does `wic` decide how big to make a partition when it's not given a fixed size? | 22:35 |
| walter | Can you make a non-root partition not a fixed size? | 22:35 |
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| rfmerrill | uh... yeah? | 22:35 |
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| walter | Never tried it. But I assume it's something similar to that, let me check the code. | 22:35 |
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| walter | what are you using for source? for those partitions that are not fixed size. | 22:37 |
| walter | RawCopyPlugin has this: `du_cmd = "du -Lbks %s" % dst` | 22:38 |
| rfmerrill | subdir of the rootfs | 22:39 |
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| rfmerrill | I think my answer might have just been the default 1.3 overhead factor in wic. But I could swear it was not applying this consistently to every non-fixed partition... I think I will just use fixed sizes from now on | 22:40 |
| walter | can you please share your file in some pastebin site, I'm curious how you create those subdirs of rootfs. | 22:41 |
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| walter | by your file, I mean the image.wks file. | 22:42 |
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| walter | Oh, just discovered `--rootfs-dir`, didn't know about it. | 22:47 |
| rfmerrill | I'm actually using `--change-directory` | 22:48 |
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| walter | The code determining the size is in `partition.py`, the prepare_rootfs method. | 23:01 |
| walter | but then the size goes trough get_rootfs_size | 23:02 |
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| rfmerrill | Thanks for your help! | 23:08 |
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| walter | looks like `--change-directory` isn't in the docs. nor are the options of other wic plugins. | 23:10 |
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| walter | also, if you include systemd or dnf, the extra space is changed from under your feet, see `IMAGE_ROOTFS_EXTRA_SPACE:append`. | 23:17 |
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