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| walter | I just found out that openSUSE Leap 16.0 dropped support for old CPUs. Does anyone use Klipper on a Yocto built image? | 05:49 |
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| RP | We added fedora43 to the autobuilder. Mainly looks ok but there is a python 3.14 issue in oeqa in the tests that use httpserver: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/45/builds/706 | 07:41 |
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| pvogelaar | Where can I find a quickstart/documentation for bitbake-setup? I tried the steps from the official docs -> Unstable (dev) but that seems not to work | 08:35 |
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| pvogelaar | I think I figured it out on my own. I use master it works but the docs mention yocto-5.2 | 08:37 |
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| paulbarker | pvogelaar: The bitbake-setup docs are still under review. The latest revision is https://lore.kernel.org/yocto-docs/20251107-bitbake-setup-v3-2-9aa227ade002@bootlin.com/ | 09:59 |
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| rburton | walter: i know jonmason was looking at that sort of thing | 10:02 |
| agodard | pvogelaar: yes that tag is going to be wrong until we release to 5.3 (that tag is automatically generated when building the docs) | 10:03 |
| mcfrisk | git repo tags are in general a bit messy, as RP confirmed yesterday, so I guess users should just look at branch names and use the latest ones. poky kept trees in sync but hopefully bitbake, oe-core, meta-yocto and docs are update close to each other so no big race condition windows where builds break etc | 10:06 |
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| throos | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WOWtG8UM/ | 10:52 |
| throos | @yocton FYI: bb-layers-file-relative is designed to add additional layer paths to the bblayers.conf file, but it doesn't override the source repositories defined in the sources section. I just learned the hard way ;) | 10:53 |
| throos | So using https://pastebin.com/ijFywT0A is the only way I know if I just temporarly want to override for CI/CD a bitbake setup json | 10:53 |
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| throos | BUT the source override will make bitbake-setup use the local repository as the source, but it still creates a separate working copy in the layers directory. | 11:03 |
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| throos | so the cleanest solution I came up with was a separate json file without a meta-aws source, using bb-layers-file-relative: https://github.com/aws4embeddedlinux/meta-aws/pull/14152 | 11:32 |
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| jonmason | walter: I had klipper firmware building a couple months ago. I'm sure I can find the git tree if I start looking. But seems like you might want the whole KlipperOS | 13:55 |
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| ww-wojtek | any way in Yocto to make a sort of "packagegroup" that would combine multiple sysroots of other recipes but edit some of the files from these recipes? sth like image postprocess but for a specific set of packages? | 16:20 |
| paulbarker | ww-wojtek: No, a packagegroup is just an empty package with RDEPENDS | 16:21 |
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| ww-wojtek | yeah, makes sense .. I'm probably trying to do a thing you're just not supposed to do :) | 16:30 |
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| paulbarker | ww-wojtek: The closest I can think of is a postinst script, but that does work a little differently to a rootfs postprocessing script | 16:32 |
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| rburton | ww-wojtek: maybe explain what you need to do, there might be a better way | 16:51 |
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| yocton | throos: thanks, always interesting to see how others are integrating their stuff :) | 17:06 |
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| ww-wojtek | rburton: essentially I'd like to try and have a bunch of large shared object files replaced with their stubs ( I've found a tool called llvm-ifs that seems to be doing the job ) that would not contain the full code but I could use them for linking purposes .. this way I hope to reduce the size of my yocto sdk | 17:14 |
| ww-wojtek | I think the cleanest solution to something like this would probably be to add a whole new bbclass and extend particular recipes for example ... But that's a lot more work than just running one find -exec on the final sysroot | 17:16 |
| rburton | you can run a post-sysroot-creation script | 17:16 |
| rburton | add a command to POPULATE_SDK_POST_TARGET_COMMAND (see populate_sdk_base.bbclass) and you can do what you want to the sdk whilst its being built in SDK_OUTPUT | 17:18 |
| rburton | eg sdk_prune_dirs() deletes the /dev directory | 17:18 |
| rburton | stubbing out pretty much the entire sysroot is interesting, if you can say that you don't support running stuff from it directly using qemu | 17:19 |
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| rburton | with master, llvm-ifs should be part of llvm-native | 17:22 |
| ww-wojtek | rburton: ah, thanks a lot! I'll try it out ... yeah as I said, I might be doing something very silly, but trying to experiment | 17:23 |
| ww-wojtek | scarthgap llvm-native also seems to have it | 17:23 |
| rburton | ww-wojtek: being able to turn a target sdk .so into entirely stubs is interesting: a lot smaller and the real binaries will exist on the target if you deploy the build tree there anyway | 17:24 |
| rburton | please let me know if it works :) | 17:24 |
| ww-wojtek | rburton: will do, thanks for advice | 17:29 |
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| walter | jonmason: thanks! I'm currently using a small form-factor PC without a screen or keyboard, it has power, network and 2 USB cables that go to 2 different custom made printers. All I do is use fish:// to mount a remote directory on my laptop and ssh when I need to debug something. Everything else is done by some LCD screens an a handful of buttons. So I just need the ability to boot, have SSH access and automatically start a klipper service for each printer. | 17:49 |
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| walter | After writing here, I did found a very old git repos that had klippy and some UIs, but that's an overkill for me. | 17:51 |
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| walter | s/found/find/ s/repos/repo/ :) | 17:54 |
| jonmason | I have 2 vorons running klipper, and at least one other that is rumored to be running klipper (and another voron half built) | 17:56 |
| jonmason | this stuff 100% feels like it is the perfect use case for yocto, as it is an embedded distro, right | 17:57 |
| walter | I'm in no hurry, I have 2 working custom designed printers (even the gantry and all plastic parts are custom designed) and they have an OS that is still supported for about 1 more year. | 17:57 |
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| jonmason | I used my Voron 0.2 as a booth demo at all things open in raleigh, and was showing off it (blinking lights and stuff moving) | 17:58 |
| jonmason | my terrible thought is that it should be fairly easy to do a nightly CI to build klipper for the boards, but we'd need some actual OS update mechanism for using it as the OS for the webgui most people use to access it | 18:00 |
| walter | Nice! were those lights controller from Yocto via GPIOs? | 18:00 |
| jonmason | firmware for the btt ebb36, btt u2c, and btt skr pico were all yocto built | 18:01 |
| walter | Oh, nice! | 18:01 |
| jonmason | since most people are running the OS part on a rasperry pi, they're just using debian or whatever | 18:02 |
| jonmason | but I'm using a Orange PI | 18:02 |
| walter | I'm rocking a BTT SKR 1.4, and an Anet A8 clone and a x86_64 mini-ITX computer. | 18:03 |
| jonmason | so I think having the ability of plop whatever board in there would be a win | 18:03 |
| jonmason | cool, so in a very similar situation as me then | 18:03 |
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| walter | For me, except for the the SKR and some aluminium extrusion, everything else was dirt cheap, free or some PETG. | 18:04 |
| jonmason | I'll dig around this weekend and make sure everything still builds and throw it on github or whatever | 18:04 |
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| walter | thanks, no need to hurry. as I said, I'm good now, but I would really like to get my hands dirty and run Yocto. | 18:05 |
| jonmason | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yDWjQoAY/1000001044.jpg | 18:05 |
| walter | and I need to upgrade the firmware on those MCUs, cause it's at least one year old. | 18:05 |
| walter | oh, that's a beauty! | 18:06 |
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| khem | JaMa:I was away and did not have a chance to test it in my env yet and think more about any fallouts will do soon | 18:06 |
| walter | Mine are an incomplete mess, but they do work, one of them is doing work right now: https://user.fm/files/v2-8d796831f579bc491ff2f63b0adfa04d/IMG_20251113_200713_821.jpg https://user.fm/files/v2-d32c220314a623ef2eed083b3fad108b/IMG_20251113_200729_823.jpg | 18:09 |
| walter | I should finish them one day. | 18:11 |
| walter | But they started as a wooden A8 that was sold for parts. Oh, and I did buy 2 PEI sheets and some proper heated beds. | 18:14 |
| walter | Do you know if that Orange Pi has enough juice to run both of your printers? The Intel Atom I have is doing a great job. But I have Radxa Rock (Pi) 4B+ that I might wanna use for this purpose. | 18:18 |
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| jonmason | walter: I'm doing a 1 board to 1 printer, as these boards are cheap | 18:31 |
| jonmason | I think a more modern one like a Pi 4, should be able to do 2 and have the GUI | 18:31 |
| jonmason | they don't really look to be too CPU bound, but the MCU boards do seem to get bogged down pretty easily | 18:32 |
| walter | I've seen quite a lot of people on the klipper forums with timing issues, I've never had any with my current approach. So I might go your way in the future. one board per printer. | 18:33 |
| walter | looking forward for the weekend now. when I'll have the time to look more into yocto for klipper. | 18:36 |
| jonmason | These Orange Pi Zero 2Ws were like $15, looks like $30 now | 18:36 |
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| jonmason | I have so many of these boards laying around, at least this gives them some usage | 18:37 |
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| walter | Oh... | 18:39 |
| walter | Wait, you're saying that something like this is powerful enough for Klipper? https://www.waveshare.com/luckfox-pico-pro.htm | 18:40 |
| jonmason | I think anything armv8 should easily be able to handle a single printer | 18:40 |
| jonmason | for your use case, an A7 without the web gui should work | 18:41 |
| jonmason | I think it might even work with the gui | 18:41 |
| jonmason | I was running octopi on a raspberry pi 0 without issues | 18:42 |
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| jonmason | that might be a fun thing to try again | 18:43 |
| walter | yeap, I'll give it a try. | 18:44 |
| jonmason | trying to run klipper on ancient hw | 18:44 |
| walter | Yocto should be perfect for this, running a server distro or a full fledged desktop distro like debian is consuming lots of extra resources, a yocto image would be much leaner. No cups, samba or other useless services. | 18:48 |
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| walter | This makes me curious, is anyone here rocking a self-built Yocto image as their main OS? | 19:10 |
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| JaMa | khem: ack I've added comment in the PR, I have a possibly more proper fix for cross.bbclass, but it might take a while until it's backported to scarthgap, so the work around might be still useful | 19:52 |
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| tgamblin | how can I track down which recipe or step is deploying a dtb in a build? | 20:38 |
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| ww-wojtek | tgamblin: I think if you know what path it gets installed into then you could run "oe-pkgdata-util find-path <path>" | 23:55 |
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