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khemwhat will we do without GH :)01:07
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Jones42is there any best practice for specifying a path in BBLAYERS? I've seen people add layers relative to ##OEROOT## or introducing a BSPDIR (with @os.abspath... )09:12
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kanavinJones42, I assume you mean bblayers.conf.sample in templates, for that relative to ##OEROOT## is best, but moving to template-less bitbake-setup configs is better09:28
Jones42kanavin: yes, *.sample it is. thanks!09:29
Jones42I'm aware of bitbake-setup, but introducing change to a (finally) running process is, well, always complicated09:31
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kanavinJones42, using templates is still fine. What is not fine is constructing a build directory with a custom shell script :)09:34
Jones42kanavin: I'm not sure what you're referring to. oe-init-build-env?09:37
kanavinJones42, I refer to a hand-written, organization-specific shell script that has no documentation, and no one who understands it (as the original developer has left years ago). The script does 'magic' to produce build/conf, particularly bblayers.conf and local.conf.09:39
kanavinand possibly it clones layers, and applies tweaks to them after the fact too09:39
kanavinand other assorted horrors09:39
kanavinI trust you are not going that way :)09:40
Jones42ah, alright. So I can count myself lucky that we skipped that part and tried to do "the right thing"[TM] with repo and oe-init-build-env :-)09:40
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kanavinI'd still suggest you play with bitbake-setup when you find a bit of time. repo sort of works, but has its own problems.09:42
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kanavinbitbake-setup supports templates too, so you don't need to do the 'modern' way immediately.09:42
Jones42(the biggest problem being that "repo" is just the worst name for such a tool)09:43
Jones42that's good to know, thanks. I haven't gotten around to watch your talk yet, but it's on my list :-)09:43
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kanavinJones42, I think a better option is to join the upcoming virtual yocto event in early december, there's two or three bitbake-setup related sessions there, and none of them are led by me (which is a good thing!)09:51
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kanavinhttps://pretalx.com/yocto-project-summit-2025-12/schedule/09:52
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Jones42oh, I totally forgot about that. thanks for the reminder!10:07
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aduskettwell this is fun: nothing provides /usr/bin/env needed by python3-core-3.13.9-r0.cortexa57 from oe-repo10:26
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rburtonaduskett: normally provided by busybox or coreutils so maybe you've been trying to not install one of those?10:44
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LetoThe2ndaduskett: so didn't care for the environment!10:50
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rburton$ rpm -qp --provides busybox-1.37.0-r0.cortexa57.rpm |grep env10:50
rburton/usr/bin/env10:50
rburtonlike that10:50
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aduskettrburton, I have busybox installed10:53
rburtonwhat package manager was being used?  did you customise busybox to not install that? do you even have /usr/bin/env present in your system?10:53
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adusketthuh10:54
adusketta busybox rpm doesn't exist. What the heck10:54
aduskettNor does a coreutils10:54
aduskettrburton, I'm updating dnf from 4 to 5 :)10:54
rburtonyeah you're on your own there ;)10:55
aduskettI have a meta-simple image that uses qemuarm6410:55
aduskettI'm surprised it doesn't provide busybox or coreutils by default10:55
aduskettqemux64 does10:55
rburtonbusybox/coreutils is often implicitly pulled into images so you might need to add it somewhere, if you're not reusing packagegroup-core-base or whatever its called10:56
aduskettI do inherit core-image10:58
aduskettodd though, I can of course add busybox to IMAGE_INSTALL11:00
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adusketteither way, that should fix the problem, as I am just focused on dnf5 :D11:00
aduskettok great! dnf5 seems to work!11:04
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rburton🎉11:11
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kanavinRP: the hopefully final set of patches sent \0/12:49
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ww-wojtekis there a way to put a particular file in multiple packages? or do I need to do stuff like RDEPENDS:${PN}-1 += "${PN}-2"?13:08
rburtonthe latter13:08
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ww-wojtekrburton: haha thanks13:18
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RPkanavin: awesome, thanks!13:31
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umbramalisoncould someone give me a hint for where I could see the configure commands for a particular package?13:39
umbramalisonpotentially just finding the built source code would have cmake cache file. or a log file.13:40
rburtontmp/work/*/recipe/version/ contains the build tree - for cmake, build/ is the build tree and temp/log.do_configure is the output of cmake13:41
rburtonif its cmake then the recipe will be setting EXTRA_OECMAKE and inheriting cmake, cmake.bbclass adds more options and calls cmake13:42
umbramalisonrburton thanks. it's wpewebkit I'm investigating. which is cmake. I think I found the folder you described because there are similar files log.do_* but there is no configure. maybe because it was a partial build....13:47
rburtonif it came from sstate then it wouldn't have ran configure13:47
rburtonyou can force it, bitbake wpewebkit -C configure13:47
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umbramalisongot the file. thank you13:49
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smoogen/c15:09
smoogesorry.. mistype15:09
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wmills_In another forum the TSC said: "intent is to switch to rust only including apt"  what does this mean?  Who has this intent?  Ubuntu could make this choice but will Debian??  How does this implicate apt?16:54
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wmills_The above is in the context of coreutils16:54
khemwmills_: apt is getting hard dependency on rust as they are adding new code written in rust for apt16:56
khemits not a distro choice16:56
wmills_IC this is independent of coreutils.  Thanks khem16:57
khemsee - https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2025/10/msg00285.html16:58
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khemyep16:58
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khemcoreutils vs uutils is a seprate thing, where ubuntu is trying to use uutils to provide a drop-in replacement for coreutils in distro16:59
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RPwmills_: it was badly worded sorry. Basically apt could end up written in rust, which presents us which some challenges17:00
RPwmills_: the challenge is various tools are moving to rust and that is creating problems for us17:01
rburtontbh i wouldn't be surprised if we end up adding rust to hosttools, as the alternative of essentially having rust-native as a very early build-dep would be unpleasant17:02
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rburtoneven if we only use it for native and still build our own rust for target code17:03
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khemrust prefers to be installed with rustup and releases fast, distro packaging does not keep up. So I wonder how painful it will be to add a hosttool17:06
rburtonsure hosttool, provided by rustup17:06
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rburtonand if its just to bootstrap the native, a slightly older release might be sufficient anyway17:06
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smurrayI could see needing rust in the buildtools tarball longer term18:02
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smurraythe potential fun I see with stuff like uutils, sudo-rs, etc. is higher order crate dependencies bumping their required Rust version.  That'd complicate doing minor bumps on older branches to pick up fixes18:04
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khemsmurray: yeah hopefully releases do lock the manifests, so that should not be a problem but point updates might cause such dependency update chains18:12
smurraykhem: heh, in my experience the dependency chains are deep enough and the semver settings loose enough that you might need a newer version of Rust at least once a year if you do a "cargo update" without even changing anything...18:14
khemtransitive deps kill I know18:15
smurraykhem: I see that with the single, somewhat simple Rust project we depend on in AGL, I cannot imagine it not being worse once several more complicated things are in play18:15
smurraykhem: the real fun will be trying to stay CRA compliant or the like once there's those 100s of crates in play, hard to see not needing to regularly "cargo update" every Rust project18:18
RPsmurray: I wish people could understand the potential horror of this all :/18:18
smurrayRP: indeed18:19
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khemsmurray: I think if we did cargo update everytime it will create Cargo.lock file equivalent capture in SRC_URIs which perhaps is fine, its just that toml files can be losely specifying deps18:43
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smurraykhem: right, Cargo.toml only specifies the top-level deps, so you're pretty much at the whims of the ecosystem past that.  I've tried patching around needing newer Rust from a third order dep, it's IMO not maintainable, hence the mixin layers...18:47
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RPkanavin: I think your patch might be clobbering the toolcfg.conf file. We're seeing errors like https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/43/builds/278418:50
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smurraykhem: AFAICS the Rust crate ecosystem would need some stricter rules for crate publishing/versioning to avoid the problem (e.g. force keeping a branch or branches with security fixes for the supported biyearly Rust releases, plus tighter semver recommendations)18:50
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RPkanavin: it might not be your patch, I'm going to have to further debug18:55
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RPkanavin: I understand the issue and it is related to Qi's patch19:18
RPkanavin: how we fix it though...19:19
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khemsmurray: agreed, I think a realiable way that we have used is to not rely upon crates.io19:32
khemits good during development, once ready for release/deploy then lock hard19:33
smurraywhat do you do if a higher order crate dep has a security issue?  It's quite difficult to just patch Cargo.lock in my experience, so you'd end up needing to suck up doing a "cargo update" and turning the crank...19:34
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smurrayin your own code, you can try to avoid needing a lot of crates, but I don't see many projects doing that, and I can't see it being popular with many devs19:36
smurrayI need to look at uutils and sudo-rs and see what they look like wrt deps19:37
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khemuutils is in meta-oe :)19:55
khemapprox 400 crates19:56
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khembut don't we encapsulate all the direct, indirect, transitive deps with -c update_crates ?19:57
khemif not then its turtles all the way19:58
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kanavinsmurray, this has been known for years, and is not rust specific. node.js is just the same. I think it's going to take a galactic scale security accident first.20:26
kanavinpossibly where people actually die :-(20:26
smurraykhem: sure, they're all recorded, but good luck just updating one to pick up a fix without having to change a lot more20:28
smurraykanavin: yep20:28
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RPSo, we have the final fixes for the release but they break things. Probably memory resident bitbake22:11
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RPand my laptop keeps crashing :(. Hopefully fixed that this time...23:38
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