| Saur | clepsydrae: While working, I typically just set `Upstream-Status: Pending` in any patches i create. That way I get it out of the way, and it makes it (relatively) easy to keep track of in case I decide to send a patch upstream because then I know that Pending will not be accepted and I have to set it to a proper value. | 00:00 |
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| clepsydrae | Anyone around with experience getting plymouth working? I'm on an RPi 3 with a minimal X11 setup and systemd, and I've modified the plymouth recipe using devtool to use a custom theme. Running plymouthd in X11 and calling plymouth show-splash over ssh shows the splash screen correctly, but it doesn't work at boot/shutdown. I've tried adding --debug | 06:25 |
| clepsydrae | to both plymouth and plymouthd in plymouth-start.service, but all I get is an empty log file. Any help would be much appreciated | 06:25 |
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| clepsydrae | Now even a basic build isn't working. The m4 recipe is failing with some huge pile of logspam... -_- | 07:15 |
| clepsydrae | I don't even know what m4 is | 07:15 |
| clepsydrae | https://pastes.io/loading-ca | 07:18 |
| jmd | clepsydrae: M4 is a macro programming language | 07:18 |
| jmd | http://gnu.org/s/m4 | 07:19 |
| clepsydrae | Well, I didn't explicitly include it or anything, but it's not building. Just trying to do a core-image-minimal build after completely clearing out any cached data (deleted tmp, as well as shared state and download caches) | 07:20 |
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| jmd | Many projects depend either directly or indirectly upon it. | 07:20 |
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| clepsydrae | How do I upgrade a recipe that won't compile? I ran updates on my computer, it went to glibc 1.43 and now m4 won't build. I can't even "devtool upgrade" it | 07:53 |
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| clepsydrae | 2.43* | 07:56 |
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| clepsydrae | I managed to manually bump m4 to version 1.4.21, but now gettext is having similar issues | 09:22 |
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| rburton | clepsydrae: if you did a big upgrade of glibc in your layer then yes expect lots of random bits of software to fail to build. software is hard, this is why we don't upgrade glibc in stable branches. | 11:27 |
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| rburton | if you did the glibc upgrade on your _host_ then this is why we have a tested distro list | 11:29 |
| rburton | software is hard, new glibc/gcc/etc cause new warnings/errors | 11:29 |
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| clepsydrae | rburton: How is this sort of thing handled with the tested distros? Do they have pre-planned/announced glibc upgrades? It feels like this could happen with any distro whenever the maintainers decide to do an upgrade | 13:53 |
| clepsydrae | My issue is less about breakages happening (I used to work at a company that had *everyone's* code in one giant repo, random breakages happened every week, I'm used to it), and more that the fixes for these various packages already exist but are very difficult/confusing to pull into the system. | 13:53 |
| clepsydrae | gettext has a newer version, and while I don't know for sure if it actually fixes this specific issue, I don't know how to do an upgrade because the upgrade tool breaks when I try to use it and there are several text-replacement patches that I don't know how to deal with (due mostly to my unfamiliarity with this code, but there's also no | 13:53 |
| clepsydrae | documentation about what they're doing or why) | 13:53 |
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| clepsydrae | Apologies for venting some frustration. Yocto is very complicated and I keep tripping on things while my clients get progressively more impatient | 13:55 |
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| rburton | clepsydrae: toolchain upgrades in major distros are slow and careful | 13:59 |
| rburton | clepsydrae: eg https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=glibc-2.43;users=debian-glibc@lists.debian.org is the list of outstanding bugs in debian that are blocking the glibc 2.43 upgrade | 13:59 |
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| rburton | <insert strider "one does not just upgrade core recipes" meme here> | 14:00 |
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| clepsydrae | Hence rolling-release distros not being supported. Here be dragons :/ | 14:01 |
| clepsydrae | Any suggestions on getting back up and running? I already tried doing a rollback of my machine to no avail (and probably very narrowly avoiding bricking the thing) | 14:02 |
| paulbarker | clepsydrae: What distro are you running on your build machine? | 14:03 |
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| clepsydrae | Manjaro | 14:03 |
| paulbarker | clepsydrae: That would definitely be an uphill struggle to get working. Can you use docker/incus/etc to run a stable distro in a container? | 14:04 |
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| clepsydrae | I can try, though I'm pretty unfamiliar with using docker for anything practical. Sounds like "fixing" my current setup is nonviable. Might just change the distro on my laptop to something supported :/ | 14:06 |
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| paulbarker | clepsydrae: You mention clients. I'd recommend looking in to some sort of container solution so you can support different build environments for different clients. I absolutely needed that when I was doing consulting | 14:08 |
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| rburton | if you're entirely talking about the host distro then yes just use a supported distro for the yocto release that you're targetting. if you have many clients then you _will_ need to use containers of some sort. | 14:12 |
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| clepsydrae | Any resources you'd recommend for learning that stuff? My knowledge of containerization is mostly theoretical and I've never found a good source of info (something that isn't hyper-specific to a particular use case or woefully out-of-date) | 14:20 |
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| JaMa | clepsydrae: FWIW I'm seeing the same m4 issue with Gentoo which also used glibc-2.43 now, that's going to automatically disable uninative as well, to avoid frustrations I'm also using docker for product builds, so that I can work on something like m4 breakage when I have time, not when it randomly starts failing due to rolling host distro | 14:31 |
| tgamblin | clepsydrae: it's easy enough to build a container image that you can then volume mount your workspace into as needed. I do this for my image definition, but it's pretty generic: https://github.com/threexc/workflows/tree/main/dockerfiles/yocto-builder | 14:31 |
| tgamblin | Note that you'd need to pass your own uid and gid as build args to that | 14:32 |
| JPEW | clepsydrae: for container builds: kas, or pyrex are used (shameless plug, I wrote pyrex https://github.com/garmin/pyrex) | 14:33 |
| tgamblin | (or create a dedicated space to mount with different ownership) | 14:33 |
| JPEW | And probably others but those are the two I think are most common | 14:33 |
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| JPEW | Need to change the quick start guide now though | 14:34 |
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| JaMa | yoe https://github.com/YoeDistro/yoe-distro also uses containers for builds, I'm using own docker images and calling docker directly (because kas and pyrex probably didn't exist when I've started to use it and I'm too lazy to change my workflow) | 14:36 |
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| rburton | clepsydrae: i'm a big fan of distrobox for having different host OSs, makes using them seamless | 14:51 |
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| JaMa | remaining build failures on glibc-2.43 host after upgrading m4 http://errors.yoctoproject.org/Errors/Build/229408/ gettext and libunistring need gnulib update like m4, systemd-systemctl-native and dtc-native are discarded-qualifiers, pseudo-native might be more tricky not to break on other hosts | 15:55 |
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| JaMa | I've the fix for m4, systemd-systemctl-native and dtc-nativ and libunistring now, will send them a bit later after testing with older host OS as well | 16:21 |
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| rburton | reatmon: hang on you're in america right? so why are you joining the thursday morning patch calls | 16:32 |
| rburton | i mean its great to have you but surely its horribly early | 16:35 |
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| JaMa | anyone already working on gettext upgrade to 1.0? | 17:00 |
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| rburton | that's unusually bold for gnu | 17:01 |
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| JaMa | took only 30 years to get there :) | 17:02 |
| JaMa | https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNU-gettext-1.0 | 17:02 |
| rburton | hm lots of changes too | 17:03 |
| JaMa | I can try to backport only the gnulib related changes to fix build with glibc-2.43 as it might be useful for stable branches as well | 17:03 |
| Crofton | pyrex++ ! | 17:04 |
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| vmeson | JaMa: I have a gnutext-1.0 upgrade that works well with glibc-2.42 but has ~5 ptest regressions with musl. I was going to leave it for 6.1 ... | 19:02 |
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| vmeson | JaMa: err gettext even. | 19:18 |
| JaMa | vmeson: can you share it somewhere? I don't mind failing ptests :) | 19:19 |
| JaMa | and I'll test if it fixes the build with glibc-2.43 or we need the gnulib update applied after the 1.0 release | 19:20 |
| vmeson | JaMa: sent to your gmail. | 19:21 |
| JaMa | thanks! | 19:22 |
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| vmeson | JaMa: np. BTW, the M3 build is next week so it's the last minute for major version package updates. | 19:23 |
| JaMa | ACK, I'm more interesting in inblocking the build on host with newer glibc, if it works I can try to separate only the smaller part to fix the build without the rest of LLM changes etc | 19:24 |
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| vmeson | JaMa: sent a v2: I had uncommited work (2 lines: mkdir -p ${D}${PTEST_PATH}/autotools and the associated install) | 20:05 |
| JaMa | thanks, seems it already passed the do_compile so my build is unblocked even with v1 | 20:06 |
| vmeson | JaMa: yeah, just for ptest, iirc. | 20:06 |
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