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| aduskett | The day before I start a two week Holiday and I finished a contract yesterday. Nice! | 07:50 |
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| paulbarker | Morning | 08:10 |
| aduskett | howdy howdy | 08:10 |
| walter | Hey all! Thanks a lot for a great project! I've started with not knowing much about low level stuff (I've been a web dev for like 18y) and ended up having a camera driver into Linux 7.1, and all because of Yocto. I got started with building Yocto for quemu and ended up having to port a vendor camera driver to mainline linux, which just got merged today into Torvalds master branch. | 08:10 |
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| walter | I've read books about linux development, but never got to do anything with that. The thing that helped get off the ground was Yocto. I've started with running core-image-sato on qemu in last September, then on a Radxa Rock 4B+, which had the same SoC as the board I would eventually need to port Yocto with mainline Linux. | 08:14 |
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| RP | walter: that is a nice achievement, I remember when I got something into the kernel for the first time, was fun! :) Glad we could help along the way! | 08:38 |
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| aduskett | looking at the pseudo thread, it reminds me that even though building in a container with a mounted volume is slower, I can guarantee that I don't have to deal with random host system breakage lol | 09:36 |
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| paulbarker | walter: Congrats! | 10:00 |
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| othiman | Hi. we use https://git.openembedded.org/bitbake/ from our build machine, but today it stopped working. If I do a `curl -I https://git.openembedded.org/bitbake/` I just get `curl: (7) Failed to connect to git.openembedded.org port 443 after 80 ms: Couldn't connect to server`. From my office PC and from a different server I can reach the server with | 16:28 |
| othiman | the same command. Does anyone have an idea why this is happening? | 16:28 |
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| ukleinek | othiman: your curl command also works for me. I'd compare the output of `mtr git.openembedded.org` (or traceroute if you don't have mtr) | 16:32 |
| alimon | agodard: hi, are you working on 14616 (pkg_postints)?, | 16:37 |
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| othiman | ukleinek, I tried the MTR on a working and the non-working system (both at Hetzner) and they basically look the same (despite the first hops). However, from one system I can ping the server, but not from the build machine. Very strange. Do they have some kind of blocklist which includes IP ranges? | 16:42 |
| Saur | RP: Regarding util-linux: They have accepted my issue and fixed it: https://github.com/util-linux/util-linux/pull/4243/changes/945c664e019e8b4e7a2d574962521e3e747a78ec. So we do not need to worry about what to do with `SHELL` in bitbake.conf just yet. ;) | 16:47 |
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| ukleinek | othiman: (more or less) random block lists are the new norm unfortunately given all the AI scraping | 17:27 |
| ukleinek | othiman: FTR: curl works for me, ping does not. | 17:27 |
| ukleinek | othiman: debugging is made more complicated by git.openembedded.org being resolved depending on who asks | 17:28 |
| ukleinek | for me it resolves to amsterdam.wlsource.codeaurora.org => 38.129.16.151 | 17:28 |
| ukleinek | oh, now it responds to ping | 17:29 |
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| visibox | Hello do you know why poky sets the default behaviour for journald to ForwardToSyslog=yes? I would like to know if there a big functional issue before changing it? | 17:35 |
| visibox | Hello do you know why poky sets the default behaviour for journald to ForwardToSyslog=yes? I would like to know if there a big functional issue before changing it? | 17:35 |
| paulbarker | visibox: Looks like it was added all the way back in https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?id=67ddca4a5533328ff95ab61610b6a1db24f57e35 | 17:41 |
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| walter | What's the best way to clean everything except DL_DIR, CCACHE_TOP_DIR and SSTATE_DIR? | 18:29 |
| visibox | @paulbarker: I was speaking about this https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=92d9c493c47975c94cb159ee87574710bd0c1014 | 18:31 |
| khem | visibox: historically for backward compat reasons embedded systems used other loggers | 18:40 |
| visibox | khem: okay, thank you. did you exprement to set the ForwardToSyslog=no, and more important does the journal keep using both, and if I implement a strategy to persist and backup logs in journald do I need to cover the Syslog ones or journald contains a copy???? | 18:43 |
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| khem | journald will have a copy | 18:48 |
| khem | however, know what logging is used in your fleet, a lot of times its pre-decided because some backend is only tuned for rsyslogd or some logging format | 18:48 |
| khem | you are lucky if you have clean slate | 18:49 |
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| visibox | khem:Okay I see, thank you, so for now I think it is more safe to keep ForwardToSyslog and just force persistence and keep using what's already implemented in log rotate | 18:52 |
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| visibox | khem: but you said that journald will have a copy, so implement persistence and journal externalisation for journald will be sufficient | 18:54 |
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| khem | it will persist depending upon how the logs location is mounted | 19:00 |
| khem | lot of setups use volatile, to avoid wear and tear on flash | 19:00 |
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| khem | if you're on volatile storage and you want crash/reboot survivability of logs keep ForwardToSyslog=yes and have a syslog daemon writing to persistent storage — or switch journald to Storage=persistent and drop the syslog daemon entirely. | 19:03 |
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| visibox | khem: okay if I keep /var/log pointing to /var/volatil/log as done with VOLATILE_LOG_DIR="yes" and set Storage=persistent does this will keep the journal?? | 19:18 |
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| visibox | khem: does switching journald Storage=persistent is suficient | 19:18 |
| visibox | ? | 19:19 |
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| khem | how file system mount points are set is important factor because journald can not influence that | 20:14 |
| khem | it ensures it will use the persisten dir as per file heararchy standards | 20:14 |
| khem | but lot of embedded systems do custom mounting | 20:15 |
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| visibox | okay so VOLATILE_LOG_DIR="no" and use the Storage persistent in journald. thank you | 20:28 |
| visibox | khem: thank you | 20:28 |
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| RP | Saur: that is a relief! :) | 21:10 |
| Saur | Indeed it is. :) | 21:10 |
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