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| Guest77 | Hi, do you separate the state-cache into dev and prod environments and how often do you clear it? Is it safe to use it for different distributions and builds? | 06:00 |
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| Guest77 | So, if I create a single state-cache directory and use it everywhere, will that cause any problems for me? | 06:00 |
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| Guest77 | For example, can I use same sstate-cache with different(wrynose and scarthgap) release builds? | 06:03 |
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| paulbarker | Morning | 07:27 |
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| paulbarker | Guest77: sstate content is indexed based a hash of the task and its inputs, any differences in those result in a different sstate filename | 07:29 |
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| paulbarker | So it's safe to share one sstate directory between Yocto releases, build configurations, etc | 07:29 |
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| kanavin | Guest77, yocto's own CI has been using a single sstate for all releases and builds for many years, so it's pretty well tested | 08:29 |
| kanavin | Guest77, one things you should not do is remove anything from the cache while builds are running. Bitbake doesn't handle disappearing sstate well. | 08:30 |
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| RP | morning | 08:40 |
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| aduskett | oh my god | 09:58 |
| aduskett | PSA: Do not update Rsync | 09:58 |
| aduskett | https://github.com/RsyncProject/rsync/graphs/contributors?from=2%2F28%2F2026 | 09:58 |
| aduskett | https://neuromatch.social/@jonny/116666900898570791 | 09:58 |
| aduskett | They let the LLM rewrite the entire test suite from bash to python in one commit. And it's extremely extremely bad. | 09:59 |
| RP | aduskett: How did anyone think that would be a good idea? :/ | 10:01 |
| aduskett | RP, I genuinely do not know | 10:01 |
| aduskett | Also the tests run with sudo... | 10:01 |
| rburton | RP: "anyone" being tridge... | 10:02 |
| rburton | fwiw, bsd has a rsync clone | 10:02 |
| aduskett | Time to rewrite it in Rust | 10:03 |
| aduskett | Re-sync | 10:03 |
| aduskett | lol | 10:03 |
| aduskett | But yeah, I don't understand what possessed this guy to do this to a utility like rsync. Why not at least fork it or reserve these changes for an experimental branch? Hmm I worked really hard to create this thing everyone likes and uses. Time to take a huge steaming pile on it. | 10:03 |
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| aduskett | RP, want me to submit a patch to downgrade rsync? | 10:05 |
| RP | aduskett: we took the upgrade? | 10:06 |
| aduskett | 7ae818a6c3635bff7701c339174b6d281a507462 | 10:06 |
| aduskett | Signed by you lol | 10:06 |
| RP | aduskett: it appears to be working then? :/ | 10:06 |
| rburton | there's a slew of behaviour change bugs due to the security fixes, which is fun | 10:07 |
| aduskett | I wouldn't trust it at all | 10:07 |
| aduskett | And there are a lot of reports of 3.4.2 breaking systems | 10:07 |
| aduskett | rburton, oh! my bad | 10:08 |
| aduskett | 3.4.3 is the breaking version | 10:08 |
| aduskett | not 3.4.2 | 10:08 |
| aduskett | carry on lol | 10:08 |
| aduskett | RP, ^^ my bad | 10:08 |
| RP | anyone here want to admit to using the clearcase fetcher? | 10:12 |
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| Guest77 | kanavin paulbarker thanks! | 10:37 |
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| Guest77 | How do you manage your sstate-cache? Do you keep it indefinitely or do you periodically clean it up to control storage growth? | 11:32 |
| Guest77 | Also, how do you separate development builds from release builds in your CI/CD pipeline? | 11:32 |
| Guest77 | When do you trigger dev builds vs release builds? | 11:32 |
| Guest77 | Where do you store build artifacts? | 11:32 |
| Guest77 | How long do you retain development and release artifacts? | 11:32 |
| Guest77 | I'm particularly interested in best practices used by small and medium sized companies rather than very large organizations. I'm curious how people balance storage costs, build times and maintenance effort. | 11:32 |
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| Guest77 | I'm currently using sstate-cache and download via NFS,and running 3 runners. I only trigger a build when there's a push to the main branch and it doesn't matter if it's a dev or release. I need to set up a build process somehow but I'm not very experienced. It seems like people are also doing nightly CVE checks and such. Is there a CI/CD setup you | 11:34 |
| Guest77 | could share as an example? | 11:34 |
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| rburton | i have a monthly job to delete any sstate files that haven't been accessed in six months | 12:32 |
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| electricworry | How is everyone doing SCM of their projects these days? I just updated a hobby project to Wrynose and I was surprised by the disappearance of Poky and the new bitbake-setup tool and its project layout. Is it still a sensible practice to create a git project at the top level and add all of the layers as submodules? Or is there some new helper tool for management? | 12:42 |
| electricworry | The thing that threw me the most was that the config directory is created as its own git repo. I feel like deleting that repo so that changes will be tracked by the top level directory is one of the first things I need to do. | 12:43 |
| rburton | electricworry: whatever you did before would still work, you'd just need to do bitbake and oe-core instead of just poky. | 12:44 |
| electricworry | rburton, sounds good. I just wasn't sure if my habits conflicted with some new best practices. That new file config/config-upstream.json seems to be tracking the layers. | 12:50 |
| electricworry | And I don't know what the config directory is there for at all. Git repo with no remote; empty initial commit; file that doesn't get used by bitbake... | 12:51 |
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| rburton | bitbake-setup is optional and new, you can use it if you want but there's no expectation that you have to | 13:07 |
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| electricworry | Thank you. Full steam ahead as before. :) | 13:12 |
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| RP | Yay, https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/commit/827e82b7499d3e35253669ca60e1004dda322925 merged :) | 14:17 |
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| rburton | oh well done | 14:49 |
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| kanavin | electricworry, the structure created by 'bitbake-setup init' is not meant to be placed into git. Some of it is managed using git (e.g. config/) but that's an implementation detail | 15:23 |
| kanavin | electricworry, if you want to keep using submodules, that is fine, but bitbake-setup operates from a single json file and checks out sources listed there one by one. | 15:24 |
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| kanavin | RP https://lwn.net/Articles/1074897/ x32 is again proposed for removal - I didn't ask for it but I would sure be glad if it happens:) | 15:28 |
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| kanavin | oh, right, I need to write something about qemu and its graphical frontends | 15:31 |
| rburton | that reminds me, i need to experiment with qemu-native using glvnd-native and thus the _host_ libGL | 15:32 |
| kanavin | rburton, I'm going to put forward the suggestion that the only tested and enabled by default ui frontend would be qemu's builtin vnc server | 15:33 |
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| kanavin | sdl drags in x11, and requires sitting in front of the build machine and having a physical screen | 15:34 |
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| kanavin | gtk drags in even more stuff | 15:35 |
| rburton | the only flaw in that plan is that GL virt fails | 15:39 |
| rburton | so that would need to be documented | 15:39 |
| rburton | but personally that's exactly what i do, as my builder is headless and i like building less native stuff | 15:39 |
| kanavin | rburton, GL virt fails? | 15:40 |
| kanavin | how? | 15:40 |
| rburton | i mean actual accelerated GL passthrough | 15:41 |
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| kanavin | I'm not sure where it fails? | 15:42 |
| rburton | how would it work over vnc? | 15:42 |
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| kanavin | rburton, qemu supports accelerated headless rendering with virgl-driven passthrough, and a vnc server. We have a test for it, and it passes. | 15:43 |
| rburton | interesting, obviously missed that it actually worked with vnc too | 15:44 |
| kanavin | https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/lib/oeqa/selftest/cases/runtime_test.py#n272 | 15:44 |
| kanavin | if it wouldn't there would be no point, would there? :D | 15:44 |
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| kanavin | but it does, I tested and used it myself | 15:45 |
| kanavin | that's one good thing that came out of my mercedes-benz adventure | 15:46 |
| kanavin | the physical test benches were scarce, so I looked into accelerating qemu graphics | 15:46 |
| rburton | that basically mitigates my one concern. I presume that still needs to build mesa? | 15:47 |
| kanavin | it does, yes | 15:47 |
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| Crofton | submodules are a good tool for managing multiple layer repositories | 17:16 |
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| Guest89 | what are the benefits of using YoctoProject's hashserv and sstate in CI/CD compared to my own? | 18:08 |
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| vermaete | Hi, | 19:24 |
| vermaete | We switched from an ext4 filesytem what what in read-only to an EROFS read-only filesystem. Mainly for security and hardening. | 19:24 |
| vermaete | However, this makes it harder for the software team to develop on the target. Now they are rather okay with | 19:24 |
| vermaete | 1. mount -o remount,rw / | 19:24 |
| vermaete | 2. devtool modify, ... devtool deploy-target... | 19:24 |
| vermaete | What doesn't work anymore with EROFS (and without having to do more embedded tricks as overlayfs + setting env. setting... | 19:24 |
| vermaete | What's the common practice for this? | 19:24 |
| vermaete | Creating an development image with ext4 and a deploy image with EROFS? | 19:24 |
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