| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Arrested Development - Everyday People ♫ | 00:02 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Cher - The Power ♫ | 00:06 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Air Supply - All Out of Love ♫ | 00:10 | |
| *** sgw is back | 00:10 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ FastLoaders - Cybernoid II ♫ | 00:14 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Lisa Nilsson - Himlen runt hörnet ♫ | 00:19 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Howard Shore - The Hill of Sorcery ♫ | 00:24 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Pink Floyd - Terminal Frost ♫ | 00:27 | |
| *** sdora is now away: Auto away | 00:29 | |
| *** sdora is back | 00:30 | |
| *** qschulz <qschulz!~weechat@ns326003.ip-37-187-106.eu> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 00:32 | |
| *** qschulz <qschulz!~weechat@ns326003.ip-37-187-106.eu> has joined #yocto | 00:36 | |
| *** mansandersson868 <mansandersson868!~mansander@user/mansandersson> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | 00:41 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 00:41 | |
| *** sgw is now away: I'm not here right now | 00:42 | |
| *** Xagen <Xagen!~Xagen@99-135-179-142.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #yocto | 00:48 | |
| *** sgw is back | 00:48 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 00:52 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 00:52 | |
| *** _lore_ <_lore_!~lorenzo@net-37-182-8-164.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) | 00:53 | |
| *** _lore_ <_lore_!~lorenzo@net-93-66-91-163.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #yocto | 00:56 | |
| *** _lore_ is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 00:56:12 2026 UTC | 00:56 | |
| *** jmd <jmd!~user@aftr-82-135-83-22.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 01:00 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 01:01 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 01:02 | |
| *** sgw is now away: I'm not here right now | 01:26 | |
| *** vvn <vvn!~vivien@bras-base-mtrlpq02zqq-grc-19-69-159-17-169.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | 01:27 | |
| *** __lore__ <__lore__!~lorenzo@net-93-66-90-48.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #yocto | 01:28 | |
| *** __lore__ is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 01:28:31 2026 UTC | 01:28 | |
| *** dkl is back | 01:30 | |
| *** _lore_ <_lore_!~lorenzo@net-93-66-91-163.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | 01:30 | |
| *** jclsn <jclsn!~jclsn@95.81.16.203.dynamic-pppoe.dt.ipv4.wtnet.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | 01:37 | |
| *** jclsn <jclsn!~jclsn@109.230.110.38.dynamic-pppoe.dt.ipv4.wtnet.de> has joined #yocto | 01:39 | |
| *** dkl is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 01:41:08 2026 UTC | 01:41 | |
| *** sgw is back | 01:57 | |
| *** sgw is now away: I'm not here right now | 02:05 | |
| *** sgw is back | 02:08 | |
| *** sgw is now away: I'm not here right now | 02:16 | |
| *** Guest8794 <Guest8794!~ssip@209.198.153.100> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 242 seconds) | 02:23 | |
| *** ssip <ssip!~ssip@user/ssip> has joined #yocto | 02:23 | |
| *** ssip is now away: Auto away | 02:23 | |
| *** JPEW is now away: Auto-away | 02:31 | |
| *** Xagen <Xagen!~Xagen@99-135-179-142.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 247 seconds) | 02:34 | |
| *** Xagen <Xagen!~Xagen@99-135-179-142.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #yocto | 02:35 | |
| *** ajfriesen1 <ajfriesen1!~ajfriesen@xdsl-89-0-179-120.nc.de> has joined #yocto | 03:37 | |
| *** ajfriesen <ajfriesen!~ajfriesen@xdsl-87-79-215-198.nc.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) | 03:38 | |
| *** ajfriesen1 is now known as ajfriesen | 03:38 | |
| *** Xagen <Xagen!~Xagen@99-135-179-142.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | 03:41 | |
| *** Xagen <Xagen!~Xagen@99-135-179-142.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #yocto | 03:42 | |
| *** Xagen <Xagen!~Xagen@99-135-179-142.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | 03:48 | |
| *** Xagen <Xagen!~Xagen@99-135-179-142.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #yocto | 03:50 | |
| *** lihis is back | 04:15 | |
| *** sgw is back | 04:33 | |
| *** sgw is now away: I'm not here right now | 04:51 | |
| *** jjrh <jjrh!~jjrh@user/jjrh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | 04:54 | |
| *** sgw is back | 04:59 | |
| *** jjrh <jjrh!~jjrh@user/jjrh> has joined #yocto | 05:03 | |
| *** sgw is now away: I'm not here right now | 05:04 | |
| *** RP is back | 05:05 | |
| *** RP is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 05:10:30 2026 UTC | 05:10 | |
| *** agodard <agodard!~agodard@19.14.80.79.rev.sfr.net> has joined #yocto | 05:13 | |
| *** Emantor is back | 05:18 | |
| *** __lore__ is back | 05:22 | |
| *** __lore__ is now known as _lore_ | 05:22 | |
| *** sdora is now away: Auto away | 05:22 | |
| *** Boucman is now away: Auto-away | 05:27 | |
| *** kkoc <kkoc!~savolla@212.125.19.16> has joined #yocto | 05:29 | |
| *** halstead is back | 05:31 | |
| Guest77 | I was able to create spdx3.0 + vex. What do you use for continuous vulnerability monitoring in your own projects? | 05:33 |
|---|---|---|
| *** sdora is back | 05:38 | |
| *** sdora is now away: Auto away | 05:38 | |
| *** zeemate <zeemate!~chris@2001:16b8:b11a:d100:a86b:b07c:a17c:63f4> has joined #yocto | 05:47 | |
| *** Danct12 is back | 05:50 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 05:54 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 05:55 | |
| *** jmd <jmd!~user@aftr-82-135-83-114.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #yocto | 05:56 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 05:56 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 05:57 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 05:57 | |
| *** ardo is back | 05:57 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 05:58 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 05:58 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 05:58 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 05:58 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 05:59 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 06:00 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 06:00 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 06:01 | |
| *** halstead is now away: Auto-away | 06:05 | |
| *** rob_w <rob_w!~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net> has joined #yocto | 06:05 | |
| *** goliath <goliath!~goliath@user/goliath> has joined #yocto | 06:18 | |
| *** KanjiMonster is back | 06:20 | |
| *** mckoan|away is back | 06:21 | |
| *** mckoan|away is now known as mckoan | 06:21 | |
| mckoan | good morning | 06:22 |
| *** leon-anavi <leon-anavi!~Leon@46.55.231.62> has joined #yocto | 06:29 | |
| *** dkl is back | 06:30 | |
| Guest77 | Looks like dependency-track is good tool but it wants CycloneDX. | 06:34 |
| *** lukma <lukma!~lukma@31.0.66.218> has joined #yocto | 06:40 | |
| *** Boucman is back | 06:43 | |
| *** JesseVG <JesseVG!~JesseVG@14.237-78-194.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be> has joined #yocto | 06:45 | |
| *** ajfriesen <ajfriesen!~ajfriesen@xdsl-89-0-179-120.nc.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | 06:51 | |
| *** ajfriesen <ajfriesen!~ajfriesen@xdsl-89-0-179-120.nc.de> has joined #yocto | 06:54 | |
| *** patersonc is back | 06:54 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 07:00 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 07:00 | |
| *** fatho is back | 07:05 | |
| *** RP is back | 07:05 | |
| *** electricworry is back | 07:05 | |
| electricworry | kanavin: that's excellent thanks. I think I will transition over to using the configuration template style. Seems more elegant to how I used to work. | 07:07 |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 07:15 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 07:15 | |
| *** dr_kokobas <dr_kokobas!~Thunderbi@user/dr-kokobas:29317> has joined #yocto | 07:23 | |
| *** dr_kokobas is now away: I am currently away from the computer. | 07:23 | |
| *** jmd <jmd!~user@aftr-82-135-83-114.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 07:29 | |
| *** ederibaucourt is back | 07:31 | |
| *** ederibaucourt is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 07:30:44 2026 UTC | 07:32 | |
| *** aduskett <aduskett!~aduskett@2001:1c00:8183:9900:1333:c39e:a751:6a95> has joined #yocto | 07:33 | |
| *** Kubu_work <Kubu_work!~kubu@static-css-ccs-204145.business.bouyguestelecom.com> has joined #yocto | 07:36 | |
| *** JesseVG <JesseVG!~JesseVG@14.237-78-194.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Client closed) | 07:41 | |
| *** Kubu_work is now away: Je ne suis pas là pour l'instant. | 07:51 | |
| *** dr_kokobas is back | 07:51 | |
| *** jmd <jmd!~user@195.243.197.82> has joined #yocto | 07:54 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Howard Shore - The Hill of Sorcery ♫ | 07:55 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Heart - All I Wanna Do Is Make Love to You ♫ | 07:56 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Pink Floyd - Terminal Frost ♫ | 08:00 | |
| *** florian <florian!~florian@port-217-146-132-69.static.as20676.net> has joined #yocto | 08:06 | |
| *** paulg <paulg!~paulg@38.147.253.171> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) | 08:08 | |
| *** dr_kokobas <dr_kokobas!~Thunderbi@user/dr-kokobas:29317> has quit IRC (Quit: dr_kokobas) | 08:33 | |
| *** benjarobin <benjarobin!~benjarobi@user/benjarobin> has joined #yocto | 08:36 | |
| *** benjarobin <benjarobin!~benjarobi@user/benjarobin> has quit IRC (Client Quit) | 08:38 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Heart - All I Wanna Do Is Make Love to You ♫ | 08:42 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Gustav Holst - Uranus, the Magician ♫ | 08:43 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Queen - Crazy Little Thing Called Love ♫ | 08:49 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Depeche Mode - I Want You Now ♫ | 08:51 | |
| *** Deepesh is back | 08:53 | |
| *** zeemate <zeemate!~chris@2001:16b8:b11a:d100:a86b:b07c:a17c:63f4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) | 08:53 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Fiction Factory - Feels Like Heaven ♫ | 08:55 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Def Leppard - Love Bites ♫ | 08:59 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Sting - Sacred Love ♫ | 09:04 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Gregorian - The Raven ♫ | 09:10 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Uncle and the Bacon - Monty On The Run High Score ♫ | 09:16 | |
| *** tgamblin is back | 09:18 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Dido - Who Makes You Feel ♫ | 09:20 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb ♫ | 09:25 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Def Leppard - Run Riot ♫ | 09:31 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 09:32 | |
| *** tgamblin is now away: Auto-away | 09:32 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Queen - I Want It All ♫ | 09:36 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Leila K - Electric ♫ | 09:40 | |
| *** dr_kokobas <dr_kokobas!~Thunderbi@user/dr-kokobas:29317> has joined #yocto | 09:43 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Various Artists - Scarabeus (Spacestation Mix By Darren Izzard) ♫ | 09:44 | |
| *** dr_kokobas <dr_kokobas!~Thunderbi@user/dr-kokobas:29317> has quit IRC (Client Quit) | 09:44 | |
| rburton | Guest77: did you read the docs i pointed you at yesterday? there's the sbom-cve-check tool and class. | 09:45 |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Queen - Headlong ♫ | 09:47 | |
| Guest77 | rburton Yes, I read it and realized that after I wrote here. Sorry, my bad. | 09:52 |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Kim Wilde - You Keep Me Hangin' On ♫ | 09:52 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Pink Floyd - Terminal Frost ♫ | 09:55 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Depeche Mode - Sometimes ♫ | 10:02 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Dire Straits - Water of Love ♫ | 10:03 | |
| *** lukma <lukma!~lukma@31.0.66.218> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | 10:07 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Alphaville - Fallen Angel ♫ | 10:09 | |
| *** lukma <lukma!~lukma@095160158229.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-2-0.vectranet.pl> has joined #yocto | 10:11 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Simon and Garfunkel - Keep the Customer Satisfied ♫ | 10:13 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Elegant Machinery - Black Town ♫ | 10:15 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Eurythmics - My True Love ♫ | 10:20 | |
| *** lukma <lukma!~lukma@095160158229.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-2-0.vectranet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | 10:21 | |
| *** lukma <lukma!~lukma@095160158229.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-2-0.vectranet.pl> has joined #yocto | 10:22 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ FastLoaders - Way Of The Exploding Fist ♫ | 10:24 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ FastLoaders - Ghouls 'N' Ghosts - Level 4 ♫ | 10:29 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Secret Service - Flash in the Night ♫ | 10:32 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Phil Collins - Something Happened on the Way to Heaven ♫ | 10:35 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Sting - Russians ♫ | 10:40 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Simon and Garfunkel - The Boxer ♫ | 10:44 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Enya - Oíche Chiúin (Chorale) ♫ | 10:49 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Trevor Jones - Will and Anna (Score) ♫ | 10:53 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Pink Floyd - Terminal Frost ♫ | 10:55 | |
| *** Ermine is back | 11:01 | |
| *** madisox_ is back | 11:08 | |
| *** madisox_ is now away: Auto-away | 11:14 | |
| *** kkoc <kkoc!~savolla@212.125.19.16> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | 11:15 | |
| *** kkoc <kkoc!~savolla@212.125.19.16> has joined #yocto | 11:16 | |
| *** vmeson <vmeson!~rmacleod@198-48-226-243.cpe.pppoe.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | 11:20 | |
| *** |Xagen <|Xagen!~Xagen@99-135-179-142.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #yocto | 11:24 | |
| *** |Xagen <|Xagen!~Xagen@99-135-179-142.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit) | 11:25 | |
| *** Xagen <Xagen!~Xagen@99-135-179-142.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) | 11:26 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Trevor Jones - Will and Anna (Score) ♫ | 11:29 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Enya - Shepherd Moons ♫ | 11:31 | |
| *** ablu <ablu!~m-bfyrfh@user/Ablu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | 11:35 | |
| *** ablu <ablu!~m-bfyrfh@user/Ablu> has joined #yocto | 11:35 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygène (Part VI) ♫ | 11:35 | |
| *** zeemate <zeemate!~chris@2001:16b8:b11a:d100:575b:bbf3:1e3f:334e> has joined #yocto | 11:36 | |
| *** kkoc <kkoc!~savolla@212.125.19.16> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | 11:37 | |
| *** rob_w <rob_w!~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) | 11:39 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Stevie B - Because I Love You ♫ | 11:41 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ The Corrs - One Night ♫ | 11:46 | |
| *** kkoc <kkoc!~savolla@212.125.19.16> has joined #yocto | 11:48 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Limahl - The Never Ending Story ♫ | 11:51 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Simon and Garfunkel - America ♫ | 11:55 | |
| *** Kubu_work is back | 11:56 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Mike Oldfield - Killing Fields ♫ | 11:58 | |
| *** frieder <frieder!~frieder@89.244.121.48> has joined #yocto | 11:59 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Enya - Storms in Africa ♫ | 12:01 | |
| *** Kubu_work is now away: Je ne suis pas là pour l'instant. | 12:02 | |
| *** Kubu_work is back | 12:02 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Gustav Holst - Neptune, the Mystic ♫ | 12:05 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ The Alan Parsons Project - The Same Old Sun ♫ | 12:09 | |
| *** lihis is now away: I'm away.. | 12:09 | |
| *** Deepesh is now away: Auto away | 12:11 | |
| *** Kubu_work is now away: Je ne suis pas là pour l'instant. | 12:12 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Enya - Paint the Sky with Stars ♫ | 12:14 | |
| *** Kubu_work is back | 12:15 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Pet Shop Boys - Rent ♫ | 12:18 | |
| *** Kubu_work is now away: Je ne suis pas là pour l'instant. | 12:20 | |
| *** jmd <jmd!~user@195.243.197.82> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 12:21 | |
| *** Kubu_work is back | 12:21 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Adolphson & Falk - Nu lever jag igen ♫ | 12:23 | |
| *** Kubu_work is now away: Je ne suis pas là pour l'instant. | 12:27 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Queen - Flash ♫ | 12:28 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Emiliana Torrini - Gollum's Song ♫ | 12:31 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Pink Floyd - Terminal Frost ♫ | 12:32 | |
| *** rob_w <rob_w!~rob_w@2001:a61:6102:3b01:3816:4744:fa3a:f53a> has joined #yocto | 12:40 | |
| *** Kubu_work is back | 12:46 | |
| *** neachdainn <neachdainn!~nate@user/neachdainn> has joined #yocto | 12:48 | |
| neachdainn | Is there any way to get a `DISTRO_FEATURE` to depend on the image being selected? I have one image where I want `wifi` and `opengl` enabled but another (same machine, ideally same distro) where I don't want to include either of those | 12:49 |
| mcfrisk | neachdainn: no. distro and machine features affect build of all recipes and thus their binary packages. these are not related to image features. For images, you can control what binary packages get installed but not how the binary packages were compiled. | 12:52 |
| mcfrisk | neachdainn: you can construct images with and without wifi and opengl related binary packages but if a single binary packages is needed on both, then it has the same build config, e.g. PACKAGECONFIG | 12:52 |
| neachdainn | So it sounds like my practical choices are either "build support for things you don't need" or "create a matrix of distros"? | 12:53 |
| mcfrisk | well you can remove wifi and opengl specific binary packages from an image, e.g. kernel modules, firmware blobs, utilities | 12:54 |
| neachdainn | Yeah, but some packages will end up in both (e.g., NetworkManager). If that's the reality of the situation, building unneeded support is probably not going to be the worst thing in the world. | 12:55 |
| mcfrisk | yes, some are common. those bits should be small enough to ignore. building two completely separate distros is also expensive. | 12:56 |
| neachdainn | I think I'll need to make a `MyOS` and `MyOS-dev` for things like `zeroconf`, but just two is manageable. | 12:56 |
| *** jmd <jmd!~user@aftr-82-135-83-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #yocto | 12:56 | |
| neachdainn | Unless I'm also misunderstanding `zeroconf` - I think it pulls in mDNS and related by just adding the distro feature? | 12:57 |
| mcfrisk | at distro level, I would not do that. I would build a single distro, sinlge machine, but then control content of images for different use cases and configurations. | 12:57 |
| mcfrisk | for product families these become expensive, but building multiple complete distros is also very expensive and time consuming, and just plain annoying to developers. the testing and validation is needed for all variants but the builds, build configs in terms of distro and machine, the same, but just different images | 12:58 |
| neachdainn | OK, I can accept that. Does that mean you would recommend against using things like `packagegroup-core-full-cmdline` (which will pull in packages based on distro features) and rolling my own set of packages from scratch? Or do I have more misconceptions? | 13:00 |
| *** dmoseley <dmoseley!~dmoseley@129.222.255.110> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.10.2 - https://znc.in) | 13:01 | |
| mcfrisk | for things which do not work from upstream by default, you can modify the packagegroups in your layers or roll your own. I think you need to fully understand the contents of your images. buildhistory and manifest files help | 13:03 |
| *** dmoseley <dmoseley!~dmoseley@129.222.255.110> has joined #yocto | 13:03 | |
| *** dmoseley is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 13:03:17 2026 UTC | 13:03 | |
| *** Bardon_ <Bardon_!~Bardon@user/Bardon> has joined #yocto | 13:04 | |
| *** Bardon_ is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 13:04:46 2026 UTC | 13:04 | |
| neachdainn | I am probably prematurely optimizing, then. Things work, I'm just trying to start a project "cleanly" and it's hard to find documentation on how to do that. Everything I've seen is basically "here's how you do it with Poky and `local.conf`, but you shouldn't do this. We will never revisit this topic again until you're already an expert at making your own image." | 13:06 |
| *** Bardon <Bardon!~Bardon@user/Bardon> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) | 13:06 | |
| neachdainn | mcfrisk: One last question. Right now we have a couple of places where we are enabling features per-machine (in the `machine.conf` file) - would you recommend against that as well? | 13:11 |
| *** leon-anavi <leon-anavi!~Leon@46.55.231.62> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 261 seconds) | 13:13 | |
| mcfrisk | neachdainn: depends on what the real machine differences are. IMO a single yocto machine can easily support multiple SoC variants, board variants, even multiple different SoC's from different vendors e.g. with arm64. u-boot supports building multiple config variants per machine. kernel does not but a single kernel quite easily supports broad range of HW. vendor forks and kernel trees are problematic, but | 13:16 |
| mcfrisk | they are also a maintenance nightmare | 13:16 |
| neachdainn | Right now we have three different compute units (two Jetson variants and one Microsoft tablet), so we're stuck with those differences. But at this exact second we are adding things like `DISTRO_FEATURES:append = " usbserial"` to the tablet's machine definition and I'm curious if that's considered good practice (the Jetsons do not need usbserial). | 13:20 |
| mcfrisk | usbserial I presume is a few kernel modules, some configs in systemd. building them to all variants but installing only to a single variant image is quite easy. | 13:23 |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Emiliana Torrini - Gollum's Song ♫ | 13:24 | |
| mcfrisk | if you already have three different SW builds and you are fine with that, then it does not matter if those differences grow more. But if you see expansion to 10 different variants, even under same SoC/family, then it makes sense to merge them. Consider how Debian does a single source package build but can produce quite different images per usecase, and how Ubuntu has added "BSP" kernel packages for various | 13:25 |
| mcfrisk | variants which easily costs a lot in maintenance. | 13:25 |
| Guest77 | It might work in your-distro.conf? | 13:29 |
| Guest77 | DISTRO_FEATURES:append = "${@bb.utils.contains('MACHINE', 'my-machine', ' foo', '', d)}" | 13:29 |
| Guest77 | neachdainn | 13:29 |
| Guest77 | I didn't try it by the way and I'm not an expert :D | 13:29 |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Chris Rea - That Girl of Mine ♫ | 13:29 | |
| mcfrisk | often management does not care about these, since they don't build the SW stacks daily, but they do care once developers ask for build machines per variant and CI builds takes days and also use a ton of resources which actually costs money.. | 13:29 |
| mcfrisk | and they care when developers say that fixing trivial issues takes weeks instead of hours due to complicated setups and needed (build) resources | 13:31 |
| *** Xagen <Xagen!~Xagen@syn-067-048-061-106.biz.spectrum.com> has joined #yocto | 13:33 | |
| *** Kubu_work is now away: Je ne suis pas là pour l'instant. | 13:33 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ U2 - Lady With the Spinning Head [Extended Dance Mix] ♫ | 13:33 | |
| *** Kubu_work is back | 13:33 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ The Alan Parsons Project - The Eagle Will Rise Again ♫ | 13:39 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Phil Collins - Hang In Long Enough ♫ | 13:43 | |
| *** Guest77 <Guest77!~Guest77@212.156.209.203> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | 13:46 | |
| *** Kubu_work is now away: Je ne suis pas là pour l'instant. | 13:46 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Billie Myers - Kiss the Rain ♫ | 13:48 | |
| neachdainn | I think it won't end up mattering for years, but it sounds like the best move is just to consolidate everything for now and revisit if it becomes an issue. Thanks for the input | 13:52 |
| *** jmd <jmd!~user@aftr-82-135-83-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has left #yocto (ERC 5.6.0.30.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 30.1)) | 13:52 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Depeche Mode - Somebody ♫ | 13:52 | |
| *** Kubu_work is back | 13:55 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Bo Kaspers orkester - Undantag ♫ | 13:57 | |
| *** paulbarker is now away: Auto-away | 13:57 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Enigma - Back to the Rivers of Belief ♫ | 14:00 | |
| *** Kubu_work is now away: Je ne suis pas là pour l'instant. | 14:09 | |
| *** Kubu_work is back | 14:11 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Fleetwood Mac - Sara ♫ | 14:11 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Starship - We Built This City ♫ | 14:17 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ FastLoaders - Dragon's Zoids ♫ | 14:22 | |
| *** JPEW is back | 14:26 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Enya - La Soñadora ♫ | 14:28 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Clannad - Down by the Sally Gardens ♫ | 14:31 | |
| *** zkrx <zkrx!~slimshady@adsl-89-217-229-57.adslplus.ch> has quit IRC () | 14:33 | |
| *** sakoman is back | 14:35 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Cornelis Vreeswijk - Nudistpolka ♫ | 14:36 | |
| *** zkrx <zkrx!~slimshady@adsl-89-217-229-57.adslplus.ch> has joined #yocto | 14:38 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Unknown - E R ♫ | 14:38 | |
| *** sakoman is now away: I'm not here right now | 14:40 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Cher - Believe ♫ | 14:40 | |
| walter | Hello, after an update, I'm having issues with `-mcpu=big.LITTLE` not being accepted by bindgen when trying to build mesa with opencl. Any hints would be greatly appreciated, I've been spending quite some time on this and can't seem to find a simple fix, which I believe it should be. | 14:42 |
| walter | I'm thinking that this fix is incomplete: https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/meta/recipes-graphics/mesa/mesa.inc?id=b8fa4a0ac33638b599ee169db11b5e77b2483148 | 14:43 |
| rburton | qschulz: ^^^ didn't you have something like that? | 14:44 |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Era - Sentence ♫ | 14:44 | |
| qschulz | rburton: yes | 14:46 |
| qschulz | sent a patch | 14:46 |
| walter | nice, will look for it, thanks. | 14:47 |
| qschulz | https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/20260212-mesa-opencl-big-little-v1-1-7f328328d149@cherry.de/ | 14:47 |
| rburton | i think in the review call I was wondering why/if bindgen even needs those flags at all | 14:49 |
| qschulz | you did tell me this in private | 14:49 |
| qschulz | to which I answered something along the lines of: /me shrugs | 14:49 |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Heaven 17 - Temptation ♫ | 14:49 | |
| rburton | i wonder if walter knows more? :) | 14:49 |
| *** moto-timo is now away: Auto-away | 14:50 | |
| walter | Nope, but I can spend some more time on this. Thanks. | 14:50 |
| *** moto-timo is back | 14:51 | |
| qschulz | walter: if you figure out a way to make this available in meta-rockchip in wrynose, it'd be great, I'm sure tlwoerner would appreciate (and then we can figure out a way that works for OE-Core also) | 14:52 |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Unknown - Let the River Run ♫ | 14:54 | |
| walter | OK, will try to do something about this. (I've been on a small break from Yocto and just got back and updated my project from an old whinlatter to wrynose.) | 14:56 |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Pink Floyd - Vera ♫ | 14:57 | |
| *** paulbarker is back | 14:58 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Chris Abbott - Confuzion ♫ | 14:59 | |
| *** Emantor is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 15:02:11 2026 UTC | 15:02 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Dire Straits - Portobello Belle ♫ | 15:03 | |
| *** rob_w <rob_w!~rob_w@2001:a61:6102:3b01:3816:4744:fa3a:f53a> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) | 15:04 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Unknown - Hill Street Blues ♫ | 15:08 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Queen - Seven Seas of Rhye ♫ | 15:10 | |
| *** Guest20 <Guest20!~Guest90@176.33.70.100> has joined #yocto | 15:12 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Adeva - Respect ♫ | 15:13 | |
| *** itrsea <itrsea!~itrsea@user/itrsea> has joined #yocto | 15:17 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Blondie - Picture This ♫ | 15:17 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Enya - Dan y Dwr ♫ | 15:20 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Kraftwerk - Radio Stars ♫ | 15:22 | |
| *** zeemate <zeemate!~chris@2001:16b8:b11a:d100:575b:bbf3:1e3f:334e> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | 15:24 | |
| *** neachdainn <neachdainn!~nate@user/neachdainn> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | 15:25 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Mr Mister - Broken Wings ♫ | 15:25 | |
| *** kkoc <kkoc!~savolla@212.125.19.16> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | 15:28 | |
| *** leon-anavi <leon-anavi!~Leon@46.55.231.62> has joined #yocto | 15:29 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Titiyo - Time ♫ | 15:30 | |
| walter | We can probably replace -mcpu with -march set to TUNE_CCARGS_MARCH. And we would avoid this big.LITTLE issue. I'm now waiting for a test build while reading about bindgen and how it works. | 15:31 |
| *** goliath <goliath!~goliath@user/goliath> has quit IRC (Quit: SIGSEGV) | 15:32 | |
| walter | Nice, `bitbake mesa` worked (after a cleanall). | 15:34 |
| *** goliath <goliath!~goliath@user/goliath> has joined #yocto | 15:35 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Nordman - Strömkarlen ♫ | 15:35 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Alphaville - Big in Japan ♫ | 15:38 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Transvision Vamp - I Want Your Love ♫ | 15:42 | |
| *** frieder <frieder!~frieder@89.244.121.48> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 15:45 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Kylie Minogue - I Should Be so Lucky ♫ | 15:46 | |
| *** dmoseley <dmoseley!~dmoseley@129.222.255.110> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.10.2 - https://znc.in) | 15:47 | |
| *** Kubu_work <Kubu_work!~kubu@static-css-ccs-204145.business.bouyguestelecom.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | 15:47 | |
| *** dmoseley <dmoseley!~dmoseley@129.222.255.110> has joined #yocto | 15:48 | |
| *** dmoseley is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 15:48:26 2026 UTC | 15:48 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Chris Rea - I Can't Dance to That ♫ | 15:49 | |
| *** Guest20 <Guest20!~Guest90@176.33.70.100> has quit IRC (Quit: Client closed) | 15:52 | |
| *** Guest64 <Guest64!~Guest90@176.33.70.100> has joined #yocto | 15:53 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Rebecka Törnqvist - Wander Where You Wander ♫ | 15:53 | |
| *** florian <florian!~florian@port-217-146-132-69.static.as20676.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) | 15:54 | |
| *** goliath <goliath!~goliath@user/goliath> has quit IRC (Quit: SIGSEGV) | 15:56 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Kraftwerk - Titanium ♫ | 15:58 | |
| *** fatho is now away: Auto-away | 16:00 | |
| rburton | walter: can you send a patch? you're not the first to hit this | 16:01 |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Heaven 17 - Temptation ♫ | 16:01 | |
| *** mckoan is now away: mckoan | 16:04 | |
| *** mckoan is now known as mckoan|away | 16:04 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Midnight Oil - Gunbarrel Highway ♫ | 16:06 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Vivaldi - Spring - Allegro ♫ | 16:10 | |
| walter | I'm not sure it's correct, I've checked out the rust bindgen and llvm, and I'm looking through code to understand exactly what we need. | 16:12 |
| walter | from what I can tell so far, it will work, but not in all cases. | 16:13 |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Nordman - Som livet och döden ♫ | 16:13 | |
| walter | but it's a better option when compared to -mcpu | 16:16 |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Camouflage - Strangers Thoughts ♫ | 16:17 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ U2 - The First Time ♫ | 16:21 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Melanie C - If That Were Me ♫ | 16:24 | |
| *** benjarobin <benjarobin!~benjarobi@user/benjarobin> has joined #yocto | 16:27 | |
| *** leon-anavi <leon-anavi!~Leon@46.55.231.62> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 16:27 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Enya - The Long Ships ♫ | 16:29 | |
| *** _lore_ is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 16:29:34 2026 UTC | 16:29 | |
| *** Saur is now away: ♫ Pink Floyd - Terminal Frost ♫ | 16:30 | |
| *** neachdainn <neachdainn!~nate@user/neachdainn> has joined #yocto | 16:31 | |
| *** neachdainn <neachdainn!~nate@user/neachdainn> has quit IRC (Client Quit) | 16:31 | |
| *** tgamblin is back | 16:32 | |
| *** lukma <lukma!~lukma@095160158229.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-2-0.vectranet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) | 16:37 | |
| *** aduskett <aduskett!~aduskett@2001:1c00:8183:9900:1333:c39e:a751:6a95> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) | 16:37 | |
| *** lukma <lukma!~lukma@095160158229.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-2-0.vectranet.pl> has joined #yocto | 16:39 | |
| *** Boucman is now away: Auto-away | 16:40 | |
| *** benjarobin <benjarobin!~benjarobi@user/benjarobin> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | 16:45 | |
| walter | Looks like -mcpu might not be needed. I'll send a patch tomorrow. | 16:54 |
| walter | nor -march | 16:55 |
| *** druppy <druppy!~Thunderbi@user/druppy> has joined #yocto | 16:59 | |
| *** sgw is back | 17:05 | |
| *** druppy <druppy!~Thunderbi@user/druppy> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | 17:14 | |
| *** sgw is now away: I'm not here right now | 17:15 | |
| *** sgw is back | 17:19 | |
| *** sgw is now away: I'm not here right now | 17:26 | |
| *** vmeson <vmeson!~rmacleod@198-48-226-243.cpe.pppoe.ca> has joined #yocto | 17:29 | |
| *** tgamblin is now away: Auto-away | 17:31 | |
| *** Kubu_work <Kubu_work!~kubu@arennes-358-1-227-139.w2-13.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #yocto | 17:35 | |
| *** paulbarker is now away: Auto-away | 17:35 | |
| *** paulbarker is back | 17:43 | |
| *** patersonc is now away: Auto-away | 17:43 | |
| *** florian <florian!~florian@dynamic-080-171-165-128.80.171.pool.telefonica.de> has joined #yocto | 17:44 | |
| *** patersonc is back | 17:47 | |
| *** patersonc is now away: Auto-away | 17:53 | |
| *** florian_kc <florian_kc!~florian@dynamic-080-171-165-128.80.171.pool.telefonica.de> has joined #yocto | 17:59 | |
| *** sarahn is back | 18:00 | |
| *** florian <florian!~florian@dynamic-080-171-165-128.80.171.pool.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | 18:02 | |
| *** Kubu_work is now away: Je ne suis pas là pour l'instant. | 18:03 | |
| *** halstead is back | 18:18 | |
| *** halstead is now away: Auto-away | 18:24 | |
| *** sarahn is now away: I'm not here right now | 18:25 | |
| *** florian_kc <florian_kc!~florian@dynamic-080-171-165-128.80.171.pool.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | 18:30 | |
| *** bjdooks <bjdooks!bendooks@78.40.148.174> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | 18:31 | |
| *** bjdooks <bjdooks!bendooks@78.40.148.174> has joined #yocto | 18:32 | |
| *** Emantor is back | 18:41 | |
| *** florian_kc <florian_kc!~florian@dynamic-080-171-165-128.80.171.pool.telefonica.de> has joined #yocto | 18:43 | |
| *** paulbarker is now away: Auto-away | 18:50 | |
| *** patersonc is back | 18:54 | |
| *** kergoth is back | 18:55 | |
| *** sarahn is back | 19:02 | |
| *** patersonc is now away: Auto-away | 19:03 | |
| *** Kubu_work is back | 19:04 | |
| *** paulbarker is back | 19:09 | |
| *** Danct12 is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 19:12:25 2026 UTC | 19:12 | |
| *** sotaoverride is now away: Auto away | 19:22 | |
| *** sotaoverride is back | 19:22 | |
| *** sotaoverride is now away: Auto away | 19:22 | |
| *** sotaoverride is back | 19:23 | |
| *** sarahn is now away: I'm not here right now | 19:27 | |
| *** druppy <druppy!~Thunderbi@user/druppy> has joined #yocto | 19:38 | |
| *** druppy is now away: Jeg er ikke til stede i øjeblikket. | 19:38 | |
| *** Guest64 <Guest64!~Guest90@176.33.70.100> has quit IRC (Quit: Client closed) | 19:39 | |
| *** Boucman is back | 19:44 | |
| *** ardo is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 19:44:33 2026 UTC | 19:44 | |
| *** Emantor is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 19:48:02 2026 UTC | 19:48 | |
| *** Dracos-Carazza is back | 20:06 | |
| *** neverpanic is back | 20:16 | |
| *** neverpanic is now away: gone | 20:21 | |
| *** Emantor is back | 20:28 | |
| *** itrsea <itrsea!~itrsea@user/itrsea> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 20:38 | |
| *** itrsea <itrsea!~itrsea@user/itrsea> has joined #yocto | 20:38 | |
| *** patersonc is back | 20:45 | |
| *** zeemate <zeemate!~chris@2001:16b8:b11a:d100:8e6d:582c:7d6a:1cba> has joined #yocto | 20:48 | |
| *** patersonc is now away: Auto-away | 20:50 | |
| *** Emantor is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 21:07:16 2026 UTC | 21:07 | |
| *** KanjiMonster <KanjiMonster!~KanjiMons@dslb-002-205-016-123.002.205.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | 21:28 | |
| *** Ermine is now away: Auto away | 21:38 | |
| *** Danct12 is back | 21:43 | |
| *** Kubu_work <Kubu_work!~kubu@arennes-358-1-227-139.w2-13.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | 21:44 | |
| *** Danct12 is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 21:44:57 2026 UTC | 21:44 | |
| *** Dracos-Carazza is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 21:46:23 2026 UTC | 21:46 | |
| *** patersonc is back | 21:49 | |
| *** patersonc is now away: Auto-away | 21:55 | |
| *** RP is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 22:03:00 2026 UTC | 22:03 | |
| *** kkoc <kkoc!~savolla@212.125.29.27> has joined #yocto | 22:11 | |
| *** kkoc <kkoc!~savolla@212.125.29.27> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | 22:16 | |
| *** zeemate <zeemate!~chris@2001:16b8:b11a:d100:8e6d:582c:7d6a:1cba> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | 22:37 | |
| *** Xagen <Xagen!~Xagen@syn-067-048-061-106.biz.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) | 22:37 | |
| *** colin-pm is back | 22:39 | |
| *** colin-pm is now away: Auto-away | 22:49 | |
| *** rber|res <rber|res!~rber|res@91-114-222-177.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | 23:03 | |
| *** rber|res <rber|res!~rber|res@2001:871:20c:3fa:9842:e39f:3ec4:d83c> has joined #yocto | 23:04 | |
| *** colin-pm is back | 23:08 | |
| *** florian_kc <florian_kc!~florian@dynamic-080-171-165-128.80.171.pool.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 262 seconds) | 23:11 | |
| *** itrsea <itrsea!~itrsea@user/itrsea> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 23:12 | |
| *** itrsea <itrsea!~itrsea@user/itrsea> has joined #yocto | 23:12 | |
| *** colin-pm is now away: Auto-away | 23:13 | |
| *** colin-pm is back | 23:15 | |
| *** colin-pm is now away: Auto-away | 23:23 | |
| *** tangofoxtrot <tangofoxtrot!~tangofoxt@user/tangofoxtrot> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | 23:30 | |
| *** colin-pm is back | 23:33 | |
| *** sgw is back | 23:34 | |
| *** tangofoxtrot <tangofoxtrot!~tangofoxt@user/tangofoxtrot> has joined #yocto | 23:35 | |
| *** ardo <ardo!~ardo@host-95-238-44-235.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | 23:40 | |
| *** colin-pm is now away: Auto-away | 23:41 | |
| *** sgw is now away: I'm not here right now | 23:48 | |
| *** sgw is back | 23:50 | |
| *** ardo <ardo!~ardo@host-80-180-125-198.pool80180.interbusiness.it> has joined #yocto | 23:53 | |
| *** ardo is now away: Auto away at Wed Jun 3 23:52:56 2026 UTC | 23:53 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 4.0.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!